INtel or AMD

[arun002]

post your views and some facts on whihc is better

[wazzledoozle]

AMD has most bang for the buck.

[INSTG8R]

True AMD is bang for the Buck but I like that I have an Intel CPU and Intel Chipset and ya gotta figure their happy workin together

[wazzledoozle]

Nvidia chipsets+Amd CPU's+ATI video cards really really like eachother :D

[Nergal]

right now, for me intel is a better buy if you go for the older type of cpu that is.
otherwise an AMD 3200+ would be great enough. (around 200)

however, if I can be honest, I would wait untill the 2nd generation of 64-bit cpu's are here, and buy 1 of those. Because in the end the 64-bit cpu's now will get
behind faster.

If you are 100% sure about buying 1 now, take the +3200
(or lower if the cost differs much)
Or a nice P4 3GHZ or PIV 530 if you want that.
but an older type of PIV (800MHZ) will cost less and will be great enough to support you the next 2-3 years.

I would rather look what kind of MB I would want, and see what cpu it needs:D

[arun002]

doesnt hyperthreading give intel the edge over amd??

[15th Warlock]

doesnt hyperthreading give intel the edge over amd??

Haven't you read the latest proc reviews? The P4 gets totally trounced in every gaming benchmark by the Athlon 64, HT doesn't help the P4 on games at all, and neither does SSE3, at least for the time being...

[INSTG8R]

Hey Warlock Im interested to know how you got your PAT enabled I have 865G Chipset as well and My Bios has settings for it but I have never been able to get it to work. I mean its a Giga-Byte 8IG-1000MK and they use there own name for it PSB Parking

[15th Warlock]

Hey Warlock Im interested to know how you got your PAT enabled I have 865G Chipset as well and My Bios has settings for it but I have never been able to get it to work. I mean its a Giga-Byte 8IG-1000MK and they use there own name for it PSB Parking

My motherboard has this feature enabled by default, I have no option to enable it in my system's BIOS, kinda weird if you consider that this is an Intel motherboard, and as such it's supposed to run strictly under the i865 spec, nevertheless, programs like Everest Pro report that PAT is enabled :confused: not that I'm sad about it :D
Have you tried downloading a recent BIOS for your mobo, I've heard that most third party motherboards manufacturers (like Asus or Abit) have tweaked BIOSes for their mobos that allows you to enable this option, and thus make your i865 perform like the i875, I hope you can find such BIOS at the Gygabyte website, good luck :)

[INSTG8R]

Yeah I have my most recent BIOS and the setup has always been in there I just never figured out the right combo to get it workin. None the less, lucky you as you said it shouldnt run on 865 but maybe Im just not one of the lucky ones

[C&C Freak 2K]

Nvidia chipsets+Amd CPU's+ATI video cards really really like eachother :D

Probably because nForce boards only take AMD CPUs...

[bim27142]

post your views and some facts on whihc is better

depends on what you will be using that for... but for price/performance ratio, amd has an edge...i'm not an intel fan nor amd's, but i personally prefer intel with HT as i'm more into running multiple programs at a time which HT comes into great account...

if your into gaming, you don't really need HT and it won't provide that much gaming boost at all compared to amd's undisputed gaming performance...bottomiline is, know your apps and don't go for brand names...buy what you need and not what you like or other people like...

[wazzledoozle]

Probably because nForce boards only take AMD CPUs...
Nvidia has announced they are going to make chipsets for intel platforms

[OVERKILL]

Intel has always been marked as more of the reliability king, whereas AMD is the enthusiast CPU, they are obviously trying to change that but since Intel makes CPU's and chipsets that go hand-in-hand and AMD doesn't, it will take a lot for AMD to convince most sys admins that their product belongs in the server arena.

Personally, I like Intel, I use Intel and I sell Intel. I think AMD is a good product, I think VIA chipsets are garbage and the NForce ones perform quite well, but I wouldn't use an AMD product for a Server. Of course I wouldn't use anything but an Intel Chipset in a server either, ALI, SIS, I consider them "bargain" chipsets as well.

But, if all you are doing is gaming and you want bang-for-buck, by all means, go AMD.

[ReconCX]

The day they start making Centrino desktops will spell the end of AMD i'm afraid. Even though I use AMD and recommend AMD, the Pentium-M cpu is an engineering feat that cannot be denied.

[wazzledoozle]

The day they start making Centrino desktops will spell the end of AMD i'm afraid. Even though I use AMD and recommend AMD, the Pentium-M cpu is an engineering feat that cannot be denied.
The AMD Athlon XP's perform similarily to the Pentium-M's, as they operate very efficiently at low clock speeds, and have low power consumption. The mobile Athlon Xp's are very very good.

[15th Warlock]

The AMD Athlon XP's perform similarily to the Pentium-M's, as they operate very efficiently at low clock speeds, and have low power consumption. The mobile Athlon Xp's are very very good.

I saw some benchmarks of the Dothan proc running in desktops motherboards performing much better than the P4 EE and in some benchmarks even better than the Athlon 64! and that running a 533 FSB and consuming under 30 Watts! I cannot find the link though :(
What Intel has to do is swallow their pride, and forget their "netburst" architecture, then ramp the Centrino architecture by adding 64 bits support and increase the FSB to 800 or even 1066 Mhz, then they would be back in business :D

[OVERKILL]

Yes, the Dothan CPU's are insane, especially with the 2MB L2 Cache.

[15th Warlock]

I found it:

First off, the Pentium-M chip is a fairly good performer all around. The chip actually puts up numbers on par with Pentium 4 Extreme Edition and Athlon64 FX-55 in gaming, which is no easy feat. In the majority of benchmarks, the Pentium-M at 2.0 GHz can perform roughly on par with a 3.2 GHz P4 or an Athlon64 3200+ processor. Not great, but not terrible either. Some areas, like video encoding, really show the limitations of the Pentium-M architecture and the processor simply doesn’t perform that well considering its $450 price tag. While every processor has areas which it excels in, the Pentium-M processor seems to be a bit more extreme in its varying performance levels between applications. Some applications will just run insanely fast on the Pentium-M, while others will struggle to keep up. Overall though, performance is still certainly acceptable for the vast majority of applications

We wish Intel would realize that they have a potentially incredible product with the Pentium-M and the Dothan processor core. Multiple Dothan cores on a single processor could alleviate any issues that the core has with workstation application performance, and would still produce half the power of today’s Pentium 4 processors. Throw in EM64T, SSE-3, Hyper-Threading, and perhaps even an on-die DDR memory controller, and Intel would have an amazing low power, high performance product. While it pains us to see the potential of the Pentium-M core going largely unrecognized by the company which produces it, we’re happy to see that it’s finally starting to get the receive the attention from the enthusiast community which it deserves. I think that once these first generation boards get out, the Pentium-M will carve itself a terrific niche market for those who want a high-performance, low power/heat system.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=dothandesktop&page=1

Hope someone at Intel reads this review :p

[DanTheBanjoman]

I love my Xeons, they're cheap. Asus pc-dl/ncch-dl for under 200 euros. 2.8Ghz noconas for ~220 euros/piece (I wish I had Noconas, still using older Prestonias)

Noconas are 64 bit procs, you'll have the option to buy one first and upgrade later or buy both at once. For multitasking it's just heaven. On my prestonias I can burn a dvd while I encode divx and play eve online (dx9 game) all that without any problems, cpu's love it. Noconas would rock even more.
In fact you could buy my prestonias so I could buy Noconas :D

Just watch out, PC-DL doesn't officially support noconas, it's done using a DH800 bios or something, NCCH-DL costs like 20 euros more though and has pci-x as well

Also these boards use standard PC3200 RAM which is cheap.

Though if you only game you might want an Athlon64, hurts to admit that. If you do more, Xeon all the way!

[ReconCX]

The AMD Athlon XP's perform similarily to the Pentium-M's, as they operate very efficiently at low clock speeds, and have low power consumption. The mobile Athlon Xp's are very very good.

My AMD Athlon XP 2800+ is nothing compared to my Pentium-M 725 1.6gHz laptop. When I just got my laptop, I was amazed at the speed it installed software, where the 2800+ took considerably longer time. This is also with the slow 4500 RPM HD in the laptop compared to my 7200 RPM one in my PC. Unfortunately, my laptop doesn't play games too well, it can play HL2, just doesn't look very good cause it's the "centrino" thus using the 855 chipset which includes the Intel Extreme Graphics 2. Now if it had the 9700mobile, my laptop would kick total ass. Battery time is also good, clocks in at around 5 hours during normal apps usage.

The XP-mobile are simply underclocked Athlon XP's, similar to the Pentium 4-M (not to be confused with Pentium M). The battery life is horrible (tops at 3 hours) and performance doesn't compare. It is a tad cheaper though, and isn't constrainted with the 855 chipset.

If only intel realizes the full potential of the P-M... the world would be a better place =)

[C&C Freak 2K]

The Pentium-M is being ported to the desktop market, so it will be a viable option for desktop computers at some point.

[OVERKILL]

w00t!

Also, to clarify, the Centrino chipset can come with/without on-board graphics. The ASUS M6NE Notebook has the Centrino chipset but has Radeon 9700 Graphics, that, with a Dothan 2Ghz and a 5,400RPM HDD, the performance was phenominal. My customer LOVES it!

[wazzledoozle]

My AMD Athlon XP 2800+ is nothing compared to my Pentium-M 725 1.6gHz laptop. When I just got my laptop, I was amazed at the speed it installed software, where the 2800+ took considerably longer time. This is also with the slow 4500 RPM HD in the laptop compared to my 7200 RPM one in my PC. Unfortunately, my laptop doesn't play games too well, it can play HL2, just doesn't look very good cause it's the "centrino" thus using the 855 chipset which includes the Intel Extreme Graphics 2. Now if it had the 9700mobile, my laptop would kick total ass. Battery time is also good, clocks in at around 5 hours during normal apps usage.

The XP-mobile are simply underclocked Athlon XP's, similar to the Pentium 4-M (not to be confused with Pentium M). The battery life is horrible (tops at 3 hours) and performance doesn't compare. It is a tad cheaper though, and isn't constrainted with the 855 chipset.

If only intel realizes the full potential of the P-M... the world would be a better place =)
Yeah, I am just trying to say that Intel is starting to utilize the benefits of more efficient low clock cpu's.

[ReconCX]

w00t!

Also, to clarify, the Centrino chipset can come with/without on-board graphics. The ASUS M6NE Notebook has the Centrino chipset but has Radeon 9700 Graphics, that, with a Dothan 2Ghz and a 5,400RPM HDD, the performance was phenominal. My customer LOVES it!

really? hmm i know the only way for a computer to be labeled "centrino" was that it had to have 3 components, otherwise, the computer would only be given the name Pentium-M..

1) Obviously, the Pentium-M CPU
2) The 855 series chipset
3) .... i forgot...

does anyone know what it is?

[OVERKILL]

Well, perhaps its like the i865 and comes in more than one flavour like one with and one without the on-board graphics?

[wazzledoozle]

really? hmm i know the only way for a computer to be labeled "centrino" was that it had to have 3 components, otherwise, the computer would only be given the name Pentium-M..

1) Obviously, the Pentium-M CPU
2) The 855 series chipset
3) .... i forgot...

does anyone know what it is?
3) Crappy intel wifi card!

Also nice comp overkill

[OVERKILL]

Thanks.
:)

[ReconCX]

3) Crappy intel wifi card!

Also nice comp overkill

oh yea, that's right, haha, actually, it's not bad anymore, I got the new integrated wireless b/g.

overkill, does the comp actually have the "centrino" sticker on it or just the Pentium-M?

[wazzledoozle]

When is the new 802.11 chipset coming out? I

[OVERKILL]

I find the wireless range on the ASUS Notebooks to be insane, because the antena goes around the screen frame, its nuts!

Yes, I'm SURE its Centrino, here's the link to it:

http://usa.asus.com/products/notebook/m6series/m6000n/m6000n_overview.htm

[chame]

The XP-mobile are simply underclocked Athlon XP's, similar to the Pentium 4-M (not to be confused with Pentium M). The battery life is horrible (tops at 3 hours) and performance doesn't compare. It is a tad cheaper though, and isn't constrainted with the 855 chipset.


you are wrong, the Mobile XP are not like the standar XP but underclocked.

I have a XP Mobile 2500+ overclocked to 2422Mhz (about 3800+) with air cooling, as far as i know there are not 3800+ Athlon XP.
They are special cores that supports up to 100ºC without system crash. I dont think they are normal XP cores.

[OVERKILL]

Wow, that's what I want, a notebook with the CPU hitting 100 degrees, that would burn the lap quite well! The Dothan CPU's don't even seem to get very warm, I think that's part of their advantage....

[ReconCX]

you are wrong, the Mobile XP are not like the standar XP but underclocked.

I have a XP Mobile 2500+ overclocked to 2422Mhz (about 3800+) with air cooling, as far as i know there are not 3800+ Athlon XP.
They are special cores that supports up to 100ºC without system crash. I dont think they are normal XP cores.

Athlon XP's originally are suppose to handle temperatures up to 95C but I'm not sure about the 100C, i found this on a website:

"The difference comes when the chip is assembled and tested; chips that become Mobile Bartons pass a voltage test showing they can run solid at 1.45V and chips that pass at 1.65V become Desktop Barton."

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Features/XP-M/2.html

[OVERKILL]

So they are basically identical is what you are saying?

[ReconCX]

From what i gather from pages here and there is that the Athlon XP-M and the Pentium 4-M both are essentially lower voltage CPUs. They achieve this by a) underclocking, b) disabling features, c) adding power management which is pretty much underclocking even more. As you can see, the two pictures of the Athlons on that page are identical. This is my conclusion.

[chame]

Im agree with you that they are not a new athlon XP desing, but they simply are not normal XP, they are special cores, may be they are cores from the center of the waffer if you prefer.

From the web you posted, you can see the mobile running 2,5Ghz with 1,875v, and the normal XP needs 2,15v. XP-M and XP voltage comparison (http://img.neoseeker.com/v_thumb.php?articleid=1627&image=8)
So we must admit that at least the Mobiles needs lower voltage to achieve same speed :)

[C&C Freak 2K]

Nvidia has announced they are going to make chipsets for intel platforms

Neat. Those nForce boards are nice but I'm reluctant to switch from Intel...