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legendplis
08-09-2006, 08:42 AM
I have (well, had) an AGP x850pro. I flashed (what I now know to be) a bad or incompatable bios to it, and now my computer won't POST with the x850 in even if I set the PCI card to init first, so I can't get to DOS to reflash another bios to the x850.
However, I can boot with just the PCI card in, or together with a working AGP card, so I know it's not a problem with the PCI card, mb or bios settings.
Any suggestions would be really appreciated!
{Sniping}Waste
08-09-2006, 05:06 PM
The only chance you have is to replace the EEPROM that has the right BIOS on it.
SlipSlice
08-09-2006, 05:59 PM
Does your X850 have a jumper on it? It is probably going to be blue if so maybe white. I had a bad flash a while back ago, and I didn't have a jumper, but im sure yours does, it is much newer than the 9550.
cjoyce1980
08-09-2006, 06:16 PM
take out the X850, and put in the PCI card and install it, in the bios also select your primary graphics card as PCI. then insert the X850 then reflash.
legendplis
08-10-2006, 03:06 AM
sniping: sorry if this is a noob question, but what do you mean by replace the EEPROM, and how do I go about doing that?
Slip: it doesn't have a jumper :/ (ATI AGP x850pro with VIVO)
cjoyce: I already set it to init PCI first. When I have PCI+working AGP card, the PCI card works fine (monitor plugged into PCI card), but when I power on with PCI+bad flash x850pro, it won't POST, even with init PCI first
NamesDontMatter
08-10-2006, 03:32 AM
sniping: sorry if this is a noob question, but what do you mean by replace the EEPROM, and how do I go about doing that?
Slip: it doesn't have a jumper :/ (ATI AGP x850pro with VIVO)
cjoyce: I already set it to init PCI first. When I have PCI+working AGP card, the PCI card works fine (monitor plugged into PCI card), but when I power on with PCI+bad flash x850pro, it won't POST, even with init PCI first
This may be a shot in the dark, but check your bios for this:
Init Display First: PCI/AGP
make sure it says PCI insted of AGP.
Sometimes its overlooking little things like this that drive you mad, but just an idea. If this isn't it im out of ideas.
legendplis
08-10-2006, 12:37 PM
on closer inspection, my card does have a jumper/flick switch type thing. The only problem is there is no description of what it does in the documentation.
It looks like:
ON | KE
O | O
X | X
1 | 2
The O and Xs represent possible switch places, and the Xs show which side the switch is flicked towards at present. The problem is, I have no idea what ON and KE mean, and what the 1 and 2 represent.
Next to this switch box thing, the characters SW1 are printed on the circuit board.
Ideas? :/
{Sniping}Waste
08-10-2006, 04:43 PM
on closer inspection, my card does have a jumper/flick switch type thing. The only problem is there is no description of what it does in the documentation.
It looks like:
ON | KE
O | O
X | X
1 | 2
The O and Xs represent possible switch places, and the Xs show which side the switch is flicked towards at present. The problem is, I have no idea what ON and KE mean, and what the 1 and 2 represent.
Next to this switch box thing, the characters SW1 are printed on the circuit board.
Ideas? :/
The switch will do nothing for you, its for TV out PAL/NTSC.
The EEPROM is a small 8 pin surface mounted chip that holds the BIOS (its a small memory IC). You would have to get a EEPROM with the correct BIOS on it for your card and unsolder the EEPROM on your card and solder the EEPROM with the right BIOS on your card.
I just fix a enginering sample X1800GTO for a revewer that messed out a flash. Here is a pic of what the EEPROM looks like. The white paper ring is around the EEPROM.
http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL601/2766865/5546621/175790813.jpg
oinkypig
08-11-2006, 12:43 AM
just flash the bios back blindly. boot into dos, with floppy containing the correct bios and the flashing utility and then flash the bios by typing in the command. it worked for me
{Sniping}Waste
08-11-2006, 01:23 AM
just flash the bios back blindly. boot into dos, with floppy containing the correct bios and the flashing utility and then flash the bios by typing in the command. it worked for me
The system will not boot with the X850 pro in. The BIOS on the card is realy messed up and won't alow the system to boot if the X850 pro is in. There is no blindly flashing back the BIOS in this case. You have to replace the EEPROM that has the right BIOS. I have run into cards like this and its the only way to fix them.
legendplis
08-12-2006, 08:27 AM
thanks sniping. guess my card is dead then, since I haven't a clue where to get a working EEPROM chip from, and i've never soldered anything in my life!
{Sniping}Waste
08-12-2006, 06:40 PM
thanks sniping. guess my card is dead then, since I haven't a clue where to get a working EEPROM chip from, and i've never soldered anything in my life!
Do you want to save the card. I can try to fix it for a small price if you want. I just did the same thing for a X1800GTO for a reviewer that did a bad flash. I was able to fix it and ship it back to them.
Taylor
09-11-2006, 02:51 AM
Just a post watcher here, but the fact that you guys and girls would do such great work for people here is amazing. I'm impressed and soooo thankful I found this site. Total noob here with too many posts already asking many questions...:laugh: Hope he gets fixed up. I'd love to just be able to make a fan speed adjustment to my cards BIOS. I'm not sure about a total flash. Great work all..
Taylor
JC316
09-11-2006, 03:42 AM
It may not be a lost cause. Put the PCI card in by itself and go into your BIOS. Then change to display PCI first, then install the X850. It might boot up if you do it that way.
ARTOSOFT
09-11-2006, 04:06 AM
I am sorry, I can't help anything for this case. Just my curiosity:
The problem is, where to get eeprom with correct bios on it?
Is the vendor willing to help you for the case like this?
Regards,
Arto.
Edit: Ah yes...., EEPROM Writer....., stupid me.
ARTOSOFT
09-11-2006, 04:09 AM
Just a post watcher here, but the fact that you guys and girls would do such great work for people here is amazing. I'm impressed and soooo thankful I found this site. Total noob here with too many posts already asking many questions...:laugh: Hope he gets fixed up. I'd love to just be able to make a fan speed adjustment to my cards BIOS. I'm not sure about a total flash. Great work all..
Taylor
Yes, indeed, I learn a lot from this forum also.
Regards,
Arto.
{Sniping}Waste
09-11-2006, 04:25 AM
I am sorry, I can't help anything for this case. Just my curiosity:
The problem is, where to get eeprom with correct bios on it?
Is the vendor willing to help you for the case like this?
Regards,
Arto.
Edit: Ah yes...., EEPROM Writer....., stupid me.
I modded a ATI 9600 video card so I can hot swap the eeprom. I boot up the system and when at the A: promp I hot swap the eeprom and run the flash program.
Thermopylae_480
09-11-2006, 04:27 AM
If I were going to send anything to anyone on these forums to try and fix it would probably be Poge or Infrared. With Poge and Infrared's Modding Service (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=15217). :cool:
savor_of_filth
09-11-2006, 05:56 AM
ask x800professor or infrared!!
thanks sniping. guess my card is dead then, since I haven't a clue where to get a working EEPROM chip from, and i've never soldered anything in my life!
legendplis your EEPROM chip is working but it is flashed with PCI-E BIOS most probably. Almost two years I am talking about the syndrome ("first flash" than call for help and finally read) and VGA BIOS testing software (without flashing - RamBios1.5) but nobody was interested to even try. That software becomes interesting after bad flash with wrong BIOS but at that time it is too late ;) .
What is done is done. In order to fix your card you have to find a people which know how to do that and have the programmer for your EEPROM chip type. They have to unsolder the chip (easy operation) to re-programme it (with X850PRO AGP BIOS which should come from your side - if you are not sure AGP or PCI-E is: JUST ASK).
ARTOSOFT
09-11-2006, 01:32 PM
I modded a ATI 9600 video card so I can hot swap the eeprom. I boot up the system and when at the A: promp I hot swap the eeprom and run the flash program.
Ok, I've got the idea. Clever :respect: .
Regards,
Arto.
It is sounds good idea. But to fulfil that operation will be needed a plug (from the card's side and from EEPROM's side). Without the EEPROM the card should boot together with PCI video card. After the boot in DOS it is necessary to plug the EEPROM and to flash adapter 1 (not 0).
{Sniping}Waste
09-11-2006, 05:55 PM
It is sounds good idea. But to fulfil that operation will be needed a plug (from the card's side and from EEPROM's side). Without the EEPROM the card should boot together with PCI video card. After the boot in DOS it is necessary to plug the EEPROM and to flash adapter 1 (not 0).
Without a eeprom with the right BIOS on it, ATI flash will not see the card. You have to boot the modded card with a eeprom with the right BIOS so the BIOS will go to system memory and ATI flash will see the modded card.
{Sniping}Waste
09-12-2006, 05:05 PM
Here is the moded card I flash eeproms with. The mod makes it easyer to hot swap the eeproms.
http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL601/2766865/5546621/186700518.jpg
http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL601/2766865/5546621/186700525.jpg
Yes it was exactly what I am talking about. Great idea :) . Of course the AGP or PCI-E card will not boot without BIOS chip but will allow to the PCI VGA to boot together with the AGP or PCI-E and respectively to be flashed.
{Sniping}Waste
09-12-2006, 11:36 PM
Yes it was exactly what I am talking about. Great idea :) . Of course the AGP or PCI-E card will not boot without BIOS chip but will allow to the PCI VGA to boot together with the AGP or PCI-E and respectively to be flashed.
Thats not true ether. With out the eeprom with the right BIOS on it, the system even with a PCI video card will not boot. The system will lock up when trying to reed the video cards BIOS in to system memory. You have to have the eeprom with the right BIOS at boot up then after boot up hot swap the eeprom to the one you want to program (I use a small peace of tape to hold the eeprom in place) then run the flash program.
cdawall
09-12-2006, 11:52 PM
this is umm frowned on by every pc person in history but maybe just maybe since the card is more or less a lost cause hot plug it (boot w/ pci in and then just plug the x850 in) then try to dos flash it
pls post on wether or not this is a absolutly horrible idea i dont want him to fry his mobo off my idea
ARTOSOFT
09-13-2006, 12:56 AM
this is umm frowned on by every pc person in history but maybe just maybe since the card is more or less a lost cause hot plug it (boot w/ pci in and then just plug the x850 in) then try to dos flash it
pls post on wether or not this is a absolutly horrible idea i dont want him to fry his mobo off my idea
That's the idea of hot-plug. But in reality, when you do that, you may smell something burn from motherboard.
Regards,
Arto.
KennyT772
09-13-2006, 01:15 AM
ok guys before u post again read what he is saying...
x850+pci+pci init=no boot
x850+agp init=no boot
pci+pci init=boot
legendplis contact infared so see if he can do anything about it.
Thats not true ether. With out the eeprom with the right BIOS on it, the system even with a PCI video card will not boot. The system will lock up when trying to reed the video cards BIOS in to system memory. You have to have the eeprom with the right BIOS at boot up then after boot up hot swap the eeprom to the one you want to program (I use a small peace of tape to hold the eeprom in place) then run the flash program.
The loading of the BIOS into the memory (from external source - CD, HDD, USB ....) can be realized using RamBios1.5 in DOS mode.
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