just got this for free of a m8

[regan1985]

http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/fc/st336704fc.html

he said he thought it was a sata drive but im thinking hes wrong, it looks like a good drive with 10,000 rpm and 5.2ms

does any1 know how i could get it to work on my pc??? u can see my specs!

cheers :toast:

[Cj_Staal]

It doesn't say but if it's 10000RPM it's either SATA or ScSi

[Alec§taar]

It doesn't say but if it's 10000RPM it's either SATA or SCSI

I'd lean towards ScSi because afaik? WD is the ONLY oem making 10k rpm IDE/EIDE disks... period.

APK

[Cj_Staal]

That's why I'm thinking ScSi but it was from a friend, why would a friend have a ScSi drive?

Well because of all it's jumper settings I guess I'll lean toward ScSi also

[Alec§taar]

That's why I'm thinking ScSi but it was from a friend, why would a friend have a ScSi drive?

Who knows, but it's NOT like regular folks can't or don't run SCSI stuff... in fact, that was ALL I ran on NT 3.51 - NT 4.0 & well into Windows 2000 too!

Well because of all it's jumper settings I guess I'll lean toward ScSi also

Most likely... the RPM rating & manufacturer are what did it for me!

:)

* I used to run "Barracudas" by Seagate (7,200rpm model, when there was nothing that fast rpm-wise from the IDE world no less) in my day... & they WERE nice for their time!

APK

[regan1985]

my m8 got the drive on ebay and doesnt know much about pc's and didnt ask about what type of drive it was so just gave it to me to play with!!!

[Cj_Staal]

so he just bought it for the hell of it?

[regan1985]

yeh pritty much! all good for me! if i can get it 2 work

[Steevo]

Fiber channel link.


You got a few hundred to spend on a card to use it?


I just got done bidding a RAID 5 SAS server. We are talking thousands, not hundreds here.

[Cj_Staal]

So it isn't ScSi?

[HookeyStreet]

I recommend selling it on and keeping the profits ;)

[Steevo]

http://hsi.web.cern.ch/HSI/fcs/spec/overview.htm


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833324002


Still slow compared to a set of 4 in RAID 5 of these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144046

[regan1985]

cheers for the links i undertstand a bit more about scsi!!

by the looks of things if i can get it to work i should have a improved system!!

i have seen some cards arrond that u just put in the pci slot and away i go u have a working scsi??

or am i just looking at the wrong stuff?? i am trying to save money here by using a free hard drive :slap:

[Steevo]

You are better off selling it on e-bay and buying a regular harddrive.

[Azn Tr14dZ]

You should sell it. But yeah, it is a 10k RPM SCSI drive. Seagate Cheetah. You should sell it though, since you would have to buy a 68-pin or 80-pin SCSI PCI Controller, and those can run you hundreds. Great drive though.

[Steevo]

It's Fibre, not SCSI.

[Alec§taar]

So it isn't ScSi?

No, it is... you see those kinds (Steevo mentions) quite often in modern server rooms on SANS & such! ISCSI & Fiber Channel link type (FC) iirc...

Search it on GOOGLE:

"ST336704FC" and "SCSI"

APK

[Azn Tr14dZ]

It's Fibre, not SCSI.

Aren't all Seagate Cheetahs SCSI drives? Yeah, I think they are...think they are.

[Alec§taar]

Aren't all Seagate Cheetahs SCSI drives? Yeah, I think they are...think they are.

They are - search this on GOOGLE:

"ST336704FC" and "SCSI"

It is...

APK

[Azn Tr14dZ]

Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.;)

[Alec§taar]

Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.;)

No biggie, I didn't learn about them until like 1-2 years ago messing around talking to a network engineer I was pals with... he turned me onto some cool stuff, NEW stuff I was not aware of, or into.

APK

[gR3iF]

^^ sounds like fun but no matter scsi drives and controller are too expensive for a "normal pc"

[b1lk1]

well, the drive was free, and I just scanned Ebay and found 100+ SCSI PCI controllers for under $25US. Doesn't sound expensive to me.

[Alec§taar]

^^ sounds like fun but no matter scsi drives and controller are too expensive for a "normal pc"

True that: I used to "indulge" that 'hobby', chasing speed circa 1993-1998 on NT-based OS, geared largely to SCSI... & COSTLY ones like Adaptec higher-end stuff, & Seagate Barracudas.

The "dollar-per-mb/gb" payout is TOO MUCH, especially nowadays imo @ least & yours too, for UltraScSi stuff & the controllers, GOOD ones, cost large.

They're optimized GENERALLY for "server use patterns" (lots of random READS, and WRITES) vs. "end user destkop use patterns" (of which modern EIDE/PATA/SATA is geared heavily to).

The ONLY DISK from the UltraScSi world that defies this premise of mine? The fastest there is... Atlas the Titan (by Quantum/Maxtor).

Pair THAT UltraScSi drive with a GOOD Caching UltraScSi controller (HUGE MONEY, but way more cache onboard & loadable/extendable too, which can be FAR MORE than my SATA caching controller has in 128mb?)...??

Good gaming diskdrive too!

APK

P.S.=> A good site to study this on is:

www.storagereview.com

& their "leaderboard"... best site for disk reviews I have EVER seen in fact... apk

[Steevo]

They are SCSI drives in the same sense as a station wagon is a car.

[Alec§taar]

They are SCSI drives in the same sense as a station wagon is a car.

Decent analog: More of a workhorse, than a leisure pursuits vehicle.

:)

APK

[Steevo]

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/179/179.html?Ad=1

[Steevo]

well, the drive was free, and I just scanned Ebay and found 100+ SCSI PCI controllers for under $25US. Doesn't sound expensive to me.

There are different forms of SCSI, I have a SCSI 50 pin system at home, it also runs two Pentium Pro 200Mhz CPU's.

Average read speed is 24MBps.


SCSI ultra wide (80 pin) is a whole different story, a single drive array can sustain upwards of 200MBps.

[HookeyStreet]

Decent analog: More of a workhorse, than a leisure pursuits vehicle.

:)

APK

Alec§taar m8 I know this is totally OT but how come you only have 512mb of RAM in such a kickass gaming sytem :confused:

[Azn Tr14dZ]

I've been thinking that too, a pretty big bottleneck, especially in F.E.A.R.

[Alec§taar]

Alec§taar m8 I know this is totally OT but how come you only have 512mb of RAM in such a kickass gaming sytem :confused:

CENATEK ROCKETDRIVE LINE IN MY SIG, look @ it...

(How I apply it, that is, which is in that part of my signature & it makes up for memory via pagefile.sys being on it there on its first partition - I wrote a few posts regarding that here recently, & how it works for performance gains, not just in the pagefile.sys noted below though, but also FAR more)...

There's a BETTER ONE OF THESE COMING TOO THIS YEAR (Solid-State Ramdisk drives boards) called the DDRDrive x1 PCI-e...

For that? HECK - I can't wait!

Mainly, because it uses faster RAM (DDR vs. PC-133 SDRAM on my SSD now I mention above) & also a FASTER BUS TYPE (PCI-Express x1 slot vs. PCI 2.2/2.3 SSD now I mention above uses).

It will be faster internal to itself (faster RAM) & also faster to the system too, via a far faster bus (greater 'bursting' speeds imo).

:)

APK

P.S.=> I built this rig to handle gaming, but also MANY other types of tasks (server-oriented OR workstation/developer box ones)... disk oriented I/O has to be FAST here, & all that, & it is MAINLY geared in THAT direction!

BUT, it does a hell of an AquaMark score too:

My AquaMark 3 results were (w/ ALL DRIVERS SETTINGS TO ABSOLUTE HIGH QUALITY MAX):

GFX = 13,485
CPU = 11,569
85,207

&

My AquaMark 3 results were (w/ ALL DRIVERS SETTINGS TO ABSOLUTE HIGH PERFORMANCE MAX):

GFX = 20,466
CPU = 11,723
109,262

apk

[HookeyStreet]

CENATEK ROCKETDRIVE LINE IN MY SIG, look @ it...

(How I apply it, that is, which is in that part of my signature & it makes up for memory via pagefile.sys being on it there on its first partition - I wrote a few posts regarding that here recently, & how it works for performance gains, not just in the pagefile.sys noted below though, but also FAR more)...

:)

APK

P.S.=> I built this rig to handle gaming, but also MANY other types of tasks (server-oriented OR workstation/developer box ones)... disk oriented I/O has to be FAST here, & all that, & it is MAINLY geared in THAT direction!

PS: What are your 3DMArk scores like?

BUT, it does a hell of an AquaMark score too:

My AquaMark 3 results were (w/ ALL DRIVERS SETTINGS TO ABSOLUTE HIGH QUALITY MAX):

GFX = 13,485
CPU = 11,569
85,207

&

My AquaMark 3 results were (w/ ALL DRIVERS SETTINGS TO ABSOLUTE HIGH PERFORMANCE MAX):

GFX = 20,466
CPU = 11,723
109,262

apk

LOL my mistake, Ive seen that in your sig aswell and know what they are :) Sounds cool to me ;) You teach me something new everyday m8 LOL :)

PS: What are your 3DMark scores like?

[Alec§taar]

You teach me something new everyday m8 LOL :)

Good, that is the idea - I too, have learned from you guys on modern hardwares, overclocks, & more... it's great!

(Just evening the slate/getting "square-with-the-house" is all, tit-for-tat!)

:)

* Everyone's happy!

APK

[Alec§taar]

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/179/179.html?Ad=1

Steevo - what is article about? I can't get to it, w/out taking a cookie man... lol, man, I hate those sometimes!

APK

[Alec§taar]

PS: What are your 3DMark scores like?

Ah, now THAT's one that "bites me in the you-know-what": You need minimum 1gb of RAM to run 06 model!

(B.S., this system COULD run it & has in older editions because of how it's setup here - whoever coded it BUILT IN THAT RESTRAINT apparently, from what others told me here when I tried to run the 06 build).

APK

[Azn Tr14dZ]

I like running 3DMark05 better. More people to compare with, and IMO is better. You get a better score in 3DMark05 w/ a dual-core and SM3.0, which not everyone has. Anyways, what do you get on 3DMark05?

[Alec§taar]

I like running 3DMark05 better. More people to compare with, and IMO is better. You get a better score in 3DMark05 w/ a dual-core and SM3.0, which not everyone has. Anyways, what do you get on 3DMark05?

Not sure, haven't tried to install & run it...

:)

* Does it run on system w/ 512mb of RAM?

APK

[Steevo]

Steevo - what is article about? I can't get to it, w/out taking a cookie man... lol, man, I hate those sometimes!

APK

The difference between Fibre and SCSI.

[Azn Tr14dZ]

Not sure, haven't tried to install & run it...

:)

* Does it run on system w/ 512mb of RAM?

APK

Not too sure about that either, since both of my systems have 1GB. I'm sure you would "own" though if you ran 05.

[HookeyStreet]

Not sure, haven't tried to install & run it...

:)

* Does it run on system w/ 512mb of RAM?

APK

Only one way to find out m8, download it and give it a go ;)

[Alec§taar]

The difference between Fibre and SCSI.

Oh, ok... Fiber Channel's STILL ScSi though!

:)

(BETTER SCSI, but scsi...)

* Which, by the by, some trivia:

DID YOU KNOW, THAT SCSI was originally pronounced "Sexy" & not "SCUZZY"?

APK

[Steevo]

http://www.backupbook.com/05Hard_Drives/AASCSI_Basics.html


Here is another good read.


I like deh sexy, and deh seks too.

[HookeyStreet]

DID YOU KNOW, THAT SCSI was originally pronounced "Sexy" & not "SCUZZY"?

APK

LOL makes sense :roll:

[regan1985]

cheers for the random chat lol some of it was gd reading:)

i have found loads of scsi pci controlers on ebay and i can pick one up for arround 15pounds, not a lot. however i cant work out what pin connection i have on my scsi,most of the controlers are 50pin but i dont want to buy the wrong one. i have looked on here and it doesnt seem to say maybe im wrong??? ave a look if could http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/fc/29480c.pdf

cheers

[regan1985]

i think i found out what it is,somewhere i read the interface is 40pin so im guessing thats the kind of adaptor i will need?? ie 40pin pci controler??