Crossfire setup x800 with x850?

[Terenth]

OKAY i got a problem, i have a crossfire READY graphics card, HIS X800 gto vivo/turbo, shows up as r430 core but it is r480 as i can hit 600mhz :D easy, Problem is, I picked out a master card but it is an X850, and i could have sworn i read somewhere that x800 and x850 can be paired, BUT NOW i cant find anything (lol) that says that they can. All i can find is that you have to have the same version (example) i need 2 X850's..... This card BTW im looking at is dirt cheap for enabling crossfire (160$) o.O (i know what your thinking) HOLY S***T cuz thats what i was thinking. :/ Please tell me wether or not i screwed myself, AND that if flashing the secondary bios to a compatible X850 will work, because i think all i need to do is "please" ati CCC that i have 2 identicle cards. Lemme kno asap pls... thnx

[Changis]

"shows up as r430 core but it is r480 as i can hit 600mhz easy"
if you over clock a opteron to a fx60, it doesn't make it a fx60, if you are unsure, take of the heatsink, and check the core!
as for crossfire, all you can do is try the crossfirejack hack

[Azn Tr14dZ]

X850XT CFE should work w/ X800 cards that are CrossFire ready. I know people who have an X850XT CFE w/ HiS X800 CF Ready cards. But the X850XT will lower it's clocks, and the max resolution is 1600x1200.

[Terenth]

trust me its r480 im sure, there is no way a r430 (which i have a grfx card with r430, cannot OC at all) can hit 600, lol ive had this heatsink off 2 or 3 times already im sick of taking it off and i never bothered to look LOL, that and i had it flashed to r480 so i kno it can be an r480 anyway, well pretty much b and r480.... but it is. i dont feel like disssasembling and scraping off my arctic silver :eek: i am tryin crossfirejack as i have a x800gto laying around, but no matter what i do it doesnt seem to work, crossfire tab is there, but i cant enable it, at the bottom it says i must have a tv or something plugged because i dont seem to have the color quota... it says plug a crt in or lcd, I HAVE A CRT, could this be why i cannot enable it, if so my wal-mart P.O.S just isnt cutting it eh? reply pls thnx

[Changis]

"i never bothered to look LOL"

well, you cannot be 100% sure unless you check the core, and why didn't you check it the other 2 or 3 times when you removed the heatsink? and for what purpose?

you should always clean the exposed core and reapply thermal paste b4 reattaching the heatsink.

have you tried to change your cable between the primary plugs on the cards?

even though, i think you need the "composition" (or whatever it's called) chip that outputs the frames.

[Terenth]

i changed it all over, i thought i had it but no....still playin with it though right now, at this moment and will be, im going to try and make sure the other card "r430" is flashed to a crossfire ready gpu, i think my last flash wasnt quite right, missed a 3 that was supposed to b a 2, btw id did clean the old thermal paste off, took me forever they really gobbed the heck out of it, i think they were trying to insulate it lol... so much thermal paste, i just plain forgot to look..... i hate it when that happens.

[Azn Tr14dZ]

I thought you had an X850XT CFE card?

[Terenth]

no im looking to buy it

[noneed4me2]

He is right about his core as no r430 even volt modded will clock that high and alot of GTOs with the r480 use a modified r430 xl bios,the last of the GTO2s with VIVO and dual DVI were a good example of this. You could use the XL bios or the XT PE bios provided your card supported the higher clocks.

[Terenth]

wow what a source of luck i must have, my sources are limited, absolutly sold out of the card i was gonna buy, AND it looks like they took it outta inventory, i cannot find it anywhere. :cry:

[noneed4me2]

I looked around no x850 master cards anywhere, to x1800 gtos can run masterless and would run with sm3 support. Price wise you can buy one now and get the other later, use your x800 series elsewhere or sell it. Ebay doesn't even have them.

[Terenth]

this is terrible, the card i picked out is sold out everywhere, i googled x850 crossfire edition and they either come up as sold out WAAY overpriced or falsly advertised as a crossfire "edition" when they're actually "ready", now this topic is pretty well closed, as i couldnt test it even if i had nothin better to do with my money other than BURN it since i cannot buy a graphics card....if you know where i might find one for about 160$ which should be the price... lemme kno pls

[Terenth]

btw if you havent figured it out, im kinda tryin to spend very little money, which is a lot in this case, but will be cheap for the application, buying 2 different cards is not an option right now

[Terenth]

O m F g I finally found it and ordered it b4 the darn thing was sold out lol..... i kinda wanted to wait but seeing as how there is a demand i decided to do it b4 i screw myself, ya kno cuz i payed all this money to upgrade my system im not gonna screw myself now..... yay cant wait :D

[INSTG8R]

[QUOTE=Changis;148818] if you over clock a opteron to a fx60, it doesn't make it a fx60.../QUOTE]

Hey I take offense to that....:roll:

[Terenth]

ya well i oced my x2 to 2.6 and it smokes all x2 4800, that doesnt make it a 4800

[Terenth]

LOL :D any other reccomendations for cpu benchmarking?

[Azn Tr14dZ]

ya well i oced my x2 to 2.6 and it smokes all x2 4800, that doesnt make it a 4800

But if you take an X2 4400+ and overclock to 2.4Ghz, then it makes it an X2 4800+, or if you overclock it to 2.6Ghz, it makes it an FX-60. Since they're all "Toledo" w/ same specs.

[Terenth]

lol no its not toledo core i dont think, but its a 3800 x2 oced to almost a 5000+ :D

[Azn Tr14dZ]

I know the X2 3800+ isn't Toledo, but I'm just saying if you take an X2 4400+ to FX 60 speeds, they're the same.

The "new" X2 4400+ looks really nice, since it's 89 Watts energy efficient, you can overclock higher. Some people are reaching 2.9-3.0Ghz on it.

[Terenth]

ya what is fx 60 @ and what L2 cache does it have? i kinda like the idea that i bought a fx 60 stock speed processor for 180 bucks :D

[Changis]

fx60 runs @ 2600mhz has 2 mb l2 cache (1mb per core) and does not have a multiplier lock

[psychomage343]

what abot if you take an x800gto2 and flash it to an x850xt pe, does that make it an x850xtpe as the cards are physically identical in every way save for the rage theatre chip,?

[Slater]

Can't you mix-n-match cards in crossfire?
As long as there in the same series
and crossfire ready

Like idk x1600 w/ x1900crossfire?
So x800 w/ x850crossfire should work

[Changis]

nope only x1900 series with x1900 x1800 with x1800 etc..
and why would you crossfire a x1600 and a x1900? the x1900 will downclock and disable certain features (like ram and pipelines) just to meet the x1600

in a crossfire setup, the cards wil never be more powerful than the weakest (i.e. a x1900xtx with a X1900CF the xtx will downclock itself to meet the X1900CF)

[Terenth]

it doesnt matter if it downclocks, my god i've also read somewhere that you can mix and match em, in the end it will be such a performance boost that it will not matter if it is downclocked... besides the lower en card has vivo and crap and i have it clocked at 550/600 so there is not much downclocking needed, if i could get it to run stable at 600/600 my god it would really only be loosing 4 pipes... i'll let you know when i get it, but its gonna rock, i'll make it work besides its only within ATI CCC that you need to have 2 from the same series :/ they do it so you spend more money get it now? so even if it doesnt work, i'll modify my secondary original bios so that it shows up as a X850, which will "please" CCC very nicley i think. I WILL make it werk, i'll do a 3Dmark05 test and post the scores before, and one after, also a Half life 2 Lost Coast "maxed settings" stress test b4 and after. it'l werk trust me.... :D

[Terenth]

and to answer your question

"and why would you crossfire a x1600 and a x1900? the x1900 will downclock and disable certain features (like ram and pipelines)"

because i cant, and i am assembling a computer that will "nock your socks off" at a relativly low price, for this setup, expensive as hell but, cheap for what im tryin to do.

[Changis]

well, gotta admire your spirit.

and btw about this: "if you over clock a opteron to a fx60, it doesn't make it a fx60"
it is still an opteron, running at or better than FX60 specifications, but it does not unlock your multiplier, or start you off at 2600mhz rather than 1800mhz ;) the closest is the X2 5000+ wich is an fx60 with a locked multiplier. hmm... multipliers are expensive :P

[Terenth]

haha, yea dont talk multipliers :mad: my 939 x2 3800+ is locked at 10 for a multiplier, i wish it was 11 at least :/, lol when i got it i coulda sworn i set my ram speed the next level down, so it wouldnt Oc too much, i couldnt get any higher than 2.4 ghz, same with my HT frequency i thought i set it to 800 or 600mhz, :O it some how got reset, ive yet to touch the cmos jumper :O, i set that stuff to what i had thought i set it to originally, and oced it to 2.6gh no prob. i think i can hit 2.7 :D but that requires more tweaking :/ so im good now.

[INSTG8R]

well, gotta admire your spirit.

and btw about this: "if you over clock a opteron to a fx60, it doesn't make it a fx60"
it is still an opteron, running at or better than FX60 specifications, but it does not unlock your multiplier, or start you off at 2600mhz rather than 1800mhz ;) the closest is the X2 5000+ wich is an fx60 with a locked multiplier. hmm... multipliers are expensive :P

I can most certainly change the Multiplier on my Opteron (okay I cant raise it to 13 but I can lower it)but yes the point still stands its not an FX-60 it just thinks it is ;)

Oh and another thing I have Everest Logs in CF showing my max clocks in Crossfire where actually at my XTX speeds not my CF cards speeds, so Im a bit puzzled about it myself as I understood it was the the lower card that set the clocks.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1806/cfclockstv2.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cfclockstv2.jpg)

[Slater]

nope only x1900 series with x1900 x1800 with x1800 etc..
and why would you crossfire a x1600 and a x1900? the x1900 will downclock and disable certain features (like ram and pipelines) just to meet the x1600

in a crossfire setup, the cards wil never be more powerful than the weakest (i.e. a x1900xtx with a X1900CF the xtx will downclock itself to meet the X1900CF)

Well, for things like physics calculations although I support Aegia or however you spell it

[Changis]

According to ATi their Physics are WAY better than Ageia:
http://img.techpowerup.org/060911/AtiVSPPU972.jpg

as you can see the ageia has a max of 32bit pci and 266mb/sec and half the memory speed

[Slater]

I never said they were the best, I just support them.

[INSTG8R]

The Physics that ATI supports is Havok and not PhysX(AEGIA) just to be clear on it

[Slater]

Yeah and those are only estimated numbers, they didn't run any tests, I bet tests would be ALOT better for the Physx cards

[Terenth]

OHH KAY i win, the crossfire DID NOT WORK with stock biosesesseseses, ATI CCC i KNEW IT BTW would not like the "interracial" marriage between and X850 and a X800gto, so I so called BLEACHED my x800gto by modding the original bios so that it would appear as a X850xt, (of course by bleaching i am referring to Micheal jackson, although i think he just got highly criticized for his enbleachinment) and VIOLA it werked like a charm, the x850 did have to downclock its pipes =-( but i had to overclock the master LOL just to keep up with the slave at 560/600 :D, btw this ATI x850 crossfire edition RUNS HOT OMFG THIS COOLER SUCKS compared to a arcticooling Iceq II, and the mastercard is seriously restricting airflow to the slave, that and this thing is LOUD, man i fired up my computer and thought that a couple of my ball bearing fans threw one of their bearings LOL, anyway i got a 3000 point increase in 3d mark, i think the difference lies in how good it performs with AA and AF on but im just going to start the test so i'll post back. oh yea I WIN :D mwahahhahahhaaha