My A+ teacher is swearing by 98 and o/s2 warp

[DaMulta]

He loves dos and 98, he hates 2000, and XP. He says "what can you do, that I can't do in 98."I think thats bloody funny(hmmm 3d party tools)

Its funny, he recommends his clients to run 0/s2 and Dos...Rock on lol

[Alec§taar]

He says "what can you do, that I can't do in 98."

Ask him if he can:

1.) Run Win16 apps (not DOS or Win32 ones (Win9x/NT can do Win32 in separate memory space) in SEPARATE MEMORY SPACES on 98 & forget DOS here!

Even Windows9x won't do this: Separation of Win16 apps into their OWN DOS engine environs... Windows NT based OS' from Ms' Windows famly only, afaik, do this!

(Os/2 can do the job here though, but not Win9x).

2.) Recognize & USE systems with multiple CPU's, only Ms' NT-based OS do this here, not 9x

(Os/2 CAN do this though, there are SMP builds)

3.) Run the most modern & proficient hardwares on those older OS'...? This is where modern stuff blows away older OS'... usually!

(And, the list goes on, but that'll do, for now!)

Its funny, he recommends his clients to run 0/s2 and Dos...Rock on lol

They were & still are, widely used & RELIABLE operating systems (mostly still surviving in "industrial use environs" today though, & banking has a LOT of Os/2 still in place & working, probably/mainly because it communicates w/ IBM 'big iron' midrange &/or mainframe systems quite easily, easier than DOS or Windows imo, even still).

APK

[Steevo]

Terminal Session serving.
Xp Pro is allowed 1 console and 1 remote if you do it right. And with a server 03' disk and some creative hacks, as many asyou would like. Or even a Home disk hacked and burned will do it.

[Steevo]

Ask him if he can:

1.) Run Win16 apps (not DOS or Win3.x ones) in SEPARATE MEMORY SPACES on 98, or Os/2... forget DOS here! Even Windows9x won't do this: Separation of Win16 apps into their OWN DOS engine environs... Windows NT based OS' only, afaik, do this.

2.) Recognize & USE systems with multiple CPU's (Os/2 CAN do this though, there are SMP builds)

3.) Run the most modern & proficient hardwares on those older OS'

(And, the list goes on, but that'll do, for now!)



They were & still are, widely used & RELIABLE operating systems (mostly still surviving in "industrial use environs" today though, & banking has a LOT of Os/2 still in place & working, probably/mainly because it communicates w/ IBM 'big iron' midrange &/or mainframe systems quite easily, easier than DOS or Windows imo, even still).

APK
Telnet works well on unsecured systems, better in some instances than Client Access.

[Alec§taar]

Telnet works well on unsecured systems, better in some instances than Client Access.

Telnet... yup! It works to UNIX & variants like Linux too, of course - but, not nearly as flexible & certainly not as "GUI EASY" either as Client Access or RUMBA made it... & not as secure (which you mention).

APK

P.S.=> You may want to edit your quote of me, I had to do some edits to it (exceptions on Os/2 stuff, it CAN separate Win16 apps into separate memory spaces, but afaik? It WON'T run Win32 apps (@ least, as of Warp 3.0... I was an Os/2 fan from 2.1-2.11-3.0)). It has been SO long since I last used Os/2 (around 1997 or so), so I forgot some things & upon thinking/remembering on them? NOW, I have my list 'straight' above... apk

[DaMulta]

(around 1997 or so), Gramps still has a good memory:roll:

[Alec§taar]

Gramps still has a good memory:roll:

Yes: PLENTY OF RAM!

:)

* For strong long-term storage & recall... via SQL Queries, lol!

APK

P.S.=> It is tough to recall EVERY detail in OS', especially Control Panel things & dialogs differences etc. (like how in NT? You used to be able to set IPForwarding in the GUI... now? You HAVE to use the registry path for TcpIP Parameters)... let alone diff. OS' totally, like Os/2 & even NT 3.x-3.5x, & later NT 4.0 (totally diff. shells almost for the Windows stuff alone, NT 4 being as close as those got imo - Workplace Desktop Shell in Os/2 isn't THAT different, but it is (Program Manager NT 3.x-3.5x shell was most diff. too, like IBM's older Presentation Manager Os/2 1.3 shell))... apk

[stealthfighter]

I swear by windows XP
I was a user of Windows 98 for a year+ then got my windows XP machine. Then useing the windows 98 machines at school I noticed many fubctions that were missing from the OS compared to XP. However, vista seems to be a resource hog, my video card is hardly good enough as it is.

[DanTheBanjoman]

OS/2, ah yes. The once so great system. Windows NT is actually based on OS/2, if MS and IBM didn't fight about it we might have used OS/2 now instead of Windows.

I've been trying Ecomstation (New OS/2 based thingy) though I never got it to install on any of my systems.

As for Win98, I've never liked it. It's very unstable and requires reboots for every fart. It lacks support for decent hardware as well. (SMP, SCSI under 98 is a joke, enough RAM, etc)
NT4 pwnd 98 hard back in the days. I recall being at lanparties and running for 2-3 days without reboots and multitasking a lot while all 98 users had to reboot all the time and couldn't do decent multitasking. It was fun.

[Alec§taar]

OS/2, ah yes. The once so great system. Windows NT is actually based on OS/2, if MS and IBM didn't fight about it we might have used OS/2 now instead of Windows.

A lot of what's in NT-based OS' is from work in Os/2, & I'd wager the most noticeable is the filesystem, NTFS... iirc, it's based on HPFS (high performance filesystem) by that jointly done work on Os/2, because it was its filesystem (one option, FAT16 being the other).

An "extents" based filesystem (much like Linux ext3/4, in that a file is written into contiguous space (when & if possible) w/ extra space @ the end to help avoid fragmentations of it when the file is added onto - not 'the greatest' explanation, but functional enough!)... this is why intially, IBM & Microsoft felt their filesystems (HPFS & NTFS) were "fragmentation proof" (which we now know isn't true, but they are more 'resistent' to frags than Fat is).

Also, the API used in Os/2? It's VERY similar to Windows API calls, & changing the .h files allows almost nearly the same functionality too as is present in Windows!

I've been trying Ecomstation (New OS/2 based thingy) though I never got it to install on any of my systems

Never heard of it, but it's NEW? That's news... I wasn't sure of who was making new Os/2 stuff, or for what...

I have so many Os/2 utilities here (gamma tech backup & defrag, Fax for Os/2, etc.) that do not get used here anymore, it is a shame... all on floppies too, talk about "ancient history"...

I recall being at lanparties and running for 2-3 days without reboots and multitasking a lot while all 98 users had to reboot all the time and couldn't do decent multitasking. It was fun.

LOL, I had a similar experience @ a LAN party (3dfiles.com had them in my area, I know their owner personally, now they are called "MajorGeeks.com")...

Their owner was laughing @ me running Windows NT 4.0 playing Quake II @ a LAN party of theirs saying "Ah, NT blows & you know it" (I couldn't get the same level of graphics "pretty" & play it as fast as Win 98SE could render it unless I lowered the graphics details in the game) & now?

Heh, I would wager he is running 2000/XP/Server 2003 (if not VISTA) because none of them "blows @ gaming" nowadays, @ all...

IMO @ least - The hardware back then (1997, again) wasn't 'up to snuff' for running NT as fast as it could be & it was NOT designed for gaming, yet... & Windows 2000 changed it for gaming, made it better... XP continued it & made it perfected for gaming!

APK

[DanTheBanjoman]

Try it (http://www.ecomstation.com/).

[Alec§taar]

Try it (http://www.ecomstation.com/).

I'll haul it in, but I don't have an Os/2 setup here...

HOWEVER:

There is always the old machine I have!

(A 486 Dx/4 133mhz + 32mb FastPage 30-pin RAM + Diamond SpeedStar 64 VLB + TekRam Caching Controller (VLB & 2 WD "Caviar" 424mb disks in RAID 0 on it) w/ 16mb of FastPage 30-pin RAM on it for cache & Integrated I/O CPU onboard it that I have here)...

Currently on that machine, I have a fully patched Windows NT 3.51 setup running on it (when I run it that is, rare).

* I could always strip the existing NT 3.51 setup, OR, dual boot using IBM's BOOTMANAGER it has in Os/2 & do a dualboot Fat16 filesystem setup!

APK

P.S.=> I just might do that this week sometime (along w/ installing VISTA), because it would be a real "kick" running Os/2 Warp 3.0 here again...

DanTheBanjoMan - have you run/tried Os/2 Warp 4.0? apk

[DanTheBanjoman]

Ecomstation is a stand alone OS, no OS/2 needed, it's 100% compatible though.
As for Warp 4, not sure. I've never actively used OS/2, used it out of curiosity like many odd OSes I've tried. I'll check my CD's when I get home and see what version I used.


Why NT3.51 though? NT4 works fine on that system, 12MB RAM required, 32MB will be a charm.

[Alec§taar]

Ecomstation is a stand alone OS, no OS/2 needed, it's 100% compatible though.

Ah, got ya... now I see: It's an entire system BASED on an Os/2 core!

As for Warp 4, not sure. I've never actively used OS/2, used it out of curiosity like many odd OSes I've tried. I'll check my CD's when I get home and see what version I used.

Cool... it's probably Warp 4 then, most likely... Config.sys (like DOS & 9x had) is MOST of what you need to understand, to play w/ Os/2... keep it in mind.

Why NT3.51 though? NT4 works fine on that system, 12MB RAM required, 32MB will be a charm.

Because, imo? It runs faster than NT 4.0 does, & Program Manager shell is lighter & faster than Explorer.exe is (even "true" non-IE based explorer.exe which NT 3.51 has IF you install the beta NT 4 shell for that, & prior to IE4, 9x/NT had it too)...

NT 3.51 has a "purer" form of NT-based OS & imo? More potentially STABLE design!

(E.G.-> The graphics subsystem is in usermode, slower, but can't "crash" the OS... iirc, VISTA returned to this in fact, DirectX notwithstanding).

AND, there are things you can do in NT 3.51, that you can't on Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003, & @ the IP stack level... what that is, I cannot get into, but be aware of that 'factoid'... because it IS true.

APK

[Steevo]

I still love my OS/400 too. We have had no reboots other than planned, and extended power outages. And with some system resource tweaking and moving calls around, IPL for us is down to about 10 minutes.


I wish for more main storage however, as we are running on the lean side there, 1Gb and our useage is bumping 800Megs. And the fact that other than system partition, we have millions of dollars in inventory and equipment and customer data and etc.... on less than 15GB of disk space.