registry defraggers- safe?

[stealthfighter]

I have 2 registry cleaners that find alot of errors (usually deleted files w/ registry entries pointing nowhere because of it) and I delete them, so I suppose this fragments te registry. I have never once defragged the registry in my life and I'm wondering
1. Is it safe to do?
2. will I see a performance gain (anything to 1 more FPS in a game to faster load/boot times)
3. What is the name of a good registry defragger?

[tofu]

IF you delete the registry entries made by uninstalled programs, it will not make any holes or 'fragment' your registry bcuz your operating system is already void of the uninstalled software. As a matter of fact, I don't think you can even defrag your registry, as it is not really a file system. Simply defragging the hard drive would help. And no, defragging the registry (or the hard drive) will not boost FPS, but it may boost load times. However OPtimizing the registry with some tool (or by yourself) may yield performance benefits.

I hope this helps.

EDIT: do u kno what chips are under your Ballistix DDR400?

[Alec§taar]

APK Registry Cleaning Engine 2002++ SR-7

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/389

EDIT: Updated model here (improved installation documentation only):

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=19905

:)

* That one is... & the most accurate one you'll ever find, & safest!

IF you delete the registry entries made by uninstalled programs, it will not make any holes or 'fragment' your registry bcuz your operating system is already void of the uninstalled software.

You do fragment it though, but iirc, the MoveFile API (what defraggers use) can defrag the hive files themselves, in relation to other files on the disk.

Internally? Leaving holes CAN leave a 'swiss cheese' effect, shorter records, but entries nonetheless... Database folks know about table compaction... & DB Compacts/Reorgs... they are a filesystem of sorts & can internally FRAGMENT.

To 'compact' it, you have options (exports to text & then remiport is one, using registry compactors is another (mine has backup/restore features in this way)).

As a matter of fact, I don't think you can even defrag your registry, as it is not really a file system.

Oh, in a real way? It is...

This is why I used the chkdsk term below in my P.S. later, for how mine works in essence...

Instead of using MFT$ or FAT?? In a real way, the engine of my program uses registry disk paths as its MFT$/FAT & checks for the validity of said entries... if not present on disk but is in registry? BURN IT!

(Helps clean up uninstallers tracks, & tracks of YOURS that, lol (sinister laff), you may NOT want to be seen also).

Just like chkdsk does using FAT/MFT$ basically... very safe, & does the job on those accounts I note.

Simply defragging the hard drive would help.

Yes, as I noted above & for what/why/when... for external to other files on disk relative yes... but not for "internal holes", which entries put in & out of it DO cause, like any other file or database.

And no, defragging the registry (or the hard drive) will not boost FPS, but it may boost load times.

Yes, less data to vector thru for init.'s of programs & OS...

However OPtimizing the registry with some tool (or by yourself) may yield performance benefits.

Yes...

APK

P.S.=> A smaller registry's less to vector read thru, & gives faster initializations to apps & the OS since it is smaller...

So, some small performance gain can result, but the benny imo?

Security features!

A feature of wiping tracks you may NOT want to be seen, & making sure uninstalls clean up their mess, @ least some, in the registry (my engine takes care of all of that via how it works... "chkdsk for the registry" as I call it!)... apk

[Alec§taar]

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"up, Up, UP!!!"

(For StealthFighter's reference... lol, hey man: Try to think of Shania Twain & how nice she looks, as you read the above quote, lol!)

:)

APK

P.S.=> One day, maybe? I'll open-source the code, & act as a consultant on it?? Who knows, who cares. Right now, It's got a solid engine - could use more "fine grained" threadwork on it though, even imo! apk

[stealthfighter]

Alec - thanks.
Tofu- No I don't know what chips are on it and I definately don't plan on ripping the HSF off to see =)
alec dude u got me confused. You want me to put the exe, .reg files, and .dll files in both the windows directory and the windows/system32 directory?

[Alec§taar]

Alec - thanks

Ah, you're quite welcome, enjoy my work if you try it... I think you'll like it, as well as its effectiveness...

& I mean, just using it. It has some "neat" effects only Os/2 or Mac's have had, in zooming windows, reverse minimizing windows, TRUE "balloon" tooltips, & 3d menus (3d effects in them)... & more.

Again - enjoy!

There truly is nothing I have built in the way of software, which IS, as WELL built as this one is. Oh, there is 1-2 small 'bugs' (don't affect operations though, that is 'sacrosanct' & object sealed nicely), but SO minor?

Heck - I'll SHOW you 1!

Due to age?? AMD CPU detects for instance. In the Help - System Information (like MS has) part... there were no CPU's like mine in my sig for instance, when this came to be (1996) & when it 'ended' its final codebase development build & hasn't changed since (2002).

Other than THAT though? It's clean... & works, more importantly.

APK

[stealthfighter]

since in my trying to install it ad you had me confused and you flew by in that 1 minute --
alec dude you got me confused. You want me to put the exe, .reg files, and .dll files in both the windows directory and the windows/system32 directory?

[Alec§taar]

since in my trying to install it ad you had me confused and you flew by in that 1 minute --
alec dude you got me confused. You want me to put the exe, .reg files, and .dll files in both the windows directory and the windows/system32 directory?

?

No... the .exe in the %WinDir%. Actually, THIS can go "Whevever" (the .exe file for the main program body, in its own folder etc. if you like)...

HOWEVER:

I designed the DLL's as publicly accessible (via the System %PATH%), thus the use of %WinDir%\system32 (%SystemRoot%).

The .dll you place in the %SystemRoot%...

The .reg files? BOTH %WinDir% & %SystemRoot%...

(Actually, the last one? TRULY optional, & here is why (safe code):

The program will recreate the backup .reg flies IF they are missing &/or less than a certain size, etc. because they are backup/merge templates you fill, IF you elect to log transactions executed)

See the checkboxes on the lower right hand side of its interface, you'll know what I mean!

APK

[stealthfighter]

alec, %windir% and %systemroot% both take me wo C:\Windows. =(
I would assume the .dll would go in the system32 folder?

[Alec§taar]

alec, %windir% and %systemroot% both take me wo C:\Windows. =(

You're right on this note, I made a silly error on those %environment% variables in its "install how to" documentation!

(Correcting it & uploading better install how to document!)

* Thanks for good catch!

APK

[stealthfighter]

well %systemroot% takes me to c:\windows and windir does the same thing, ill just manually stick it in system32 though..
that said - any newbie friendly tips?

- Yes great little tool indeed, misses nothing, but it doesnt seem to have a compact/defrag registry option...
Back to the origional question, What is a good compactor/defragger for the registru/is it safe?

[Slater]

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"up, Up, UP!!!"

(For StealthFighter's reference... lol, hey man: Try to think of Shania Twain & how nice she looks, as you read the above quote, lol!)

:)

APK

P.S.=> One day, maybe? I'll open-source the code, & act as a consultant on it?? Who knows, who cares. Right now, It's got a solid engine - could use more "fine grained" threadwork on it though, even imo! apk
I use X64 it wont kill my system right?

(Last reg-defrag I used made me have to reinstall windows)

[Alec§taar]

Yes great little tool indeed, misses nothing, but it doesnt seem to have a compact/defrag registry option...

When you run its backup? You are compacting & restoring it... next boot, you get a diff. registry internally (re-org'd)...

(All in 1 step)

1.) Hit Shift+F

2.) Rightclick on the screen & use its popup menu item for "Backup Registry Files"

3.) Use the program's trayicon rightclick menu for popup menu item "Backup Registry Files"

4.) Use the MAINTENANCE menu for "Backup Registry Files"

Start that procedure, via any of those 4 methods, & you'll see it work...

(It may lag you a bit while running, but not long on today's machines)

APK

P.S.=> well %systemroot% takes me to c:\windows and windir does the same thing, ill just manually stick it in system32 though..
that said - any newbie friendly tips?

Nope, you are right on that, I need to get some sleep or something... that is a mistake here on my part, good catch, thanks for correction on it... apk

[stealthfighter]

so if I run backup it compacts the registry? What d I do with the backup file?

[Alec§taar]

so if I run backup it compacts the registry? What d I do with the backup file?

Leave it there where it is, for what it is: Backup!

APK

[Alec§taar]

I use X64 it wont kill my system right?

(Last reg-defrag I used made me have to reinstall windows)

Would be a good test, because I have never used a 64-bit Windows OS here, no need for it... try it out, let us know I suppose!

APK

P.S.=> Depends on how "backward-compatible" Win64 is w/ Win32 code, & if the registry structure's the same? It should be OK I would think, but, again, I've never tried it in 64 bit environs (have in WINE, VMWare, & stuff like that, was OK there)... apk

[Slater]

If you could send me the program then yeah I'll try it out.

Its based around Server 2003 I believe so it shouldnt be a problem.... hopefully :)

[francis511]

ccleaner,registry mechanic,ntregopt.i think they make your system more stable.havent been
using it long ,but reg 1st aid seems quite good.

[Slater]

What about your full utility suite?

[Alec§taar]

What about your full utility suite?

I may upload it there, I don't know... I don't make the decisions on that. I let the folks here who post the tools try them out & they decide.

It's very big you know... weighs in @ 18mb in a self-extracting RAR file installer. The typical download utility file here is what? Under 2mb each??

(BIG 'bandwidth destroyers' are what larger files are for most sites imo, & that might not be something to overlook as it costs... & that is much larger than most of what's hosted here typically)

APK

[Alec§taar]

If you could send me the program then yeah I'll try it out.

It's a download from this site's UTILITIES section here:

APK Registry Cleaning Engine 2002++ SR-7

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/389

:)

* Have @ it...

EDIT: Updated model here (improved installation documentation only):

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=19905

APK

[stealthfighter]

1. I already found a very easy to use registry defragger/compactor as a result of Googleing for 30 minutes.
2. Alec, I posted your registry thing on another forum but gave you credits.

[Slater]

I may upload it there, I don't know... I don't make the decisions on that. I let the folks here who post the tools try them out & they decide.

It's very big you know... weighs in @ 18mb in a self-extracting RAR file installer. The typical download utility file here is what? Under 2mb each??

(BIG 'bandwidth destroyers' are what larger files are for most sites imo, & that might not be something to overlook as it costs... & that is much larger than most of what's hosted here typically)

APK

May you could send it to my "other" E-Mail account? That is if you want to :)

[stealthfighter]

this is not ads...
www.megaupload.com

[Alec§taar]

this is not ads...
www.megaupload.com

Cool, & thank you... that will work to send him the installation I think, provided his mailbox can carry/fit another 18mb in it...

:)

* Also, thanks to you? This program is getting an update today (documentation improvement only, fixes %Environment% vars I used (silly mistake, I KNOW better & still made it, lol) & mistake I made on them I "pm'd" you about, but the rest is the same)...

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=19905

That already has the updated model as a file attachment there in that thread!

(I dropped the updated file there as an attachment for Gr3if or Solaris17 to update the D/L area URL above with the file attachment in that thread!)

APK

P.S.=> May you could send it to my "other" E-Mail account? That is if you want to :)

If you get me an email addy to send it your way, I will... here is my email:

apk4776239@hotmail.com

IF you wish to send me an email addy to send the 18mb total installation of my entire toolset your way, via tools like the one stealthfighter noted OR "yousendit.com" & others like them (should have thought of this myself, but rarely am I in this situation, lol, often overlook tools like these as an avenue around large file sends)... apk