ATI has R600 silicon out

[D_o_S]

The Inq reports that ATI's (therefore AMD's) "special customers", as well as game developers, already have R600 samples.

The first R600 silicon is clocked slower than the final card and is out there just to fiddle with. It shows the projected performance to help game developers debug their games and get them ready for the new architecture.

This gets us back to September when NVIDIA already had lower clocked G80 chips for its special, VIP chaps.

ATI/AMD R600 is scheduled for Q107.

Source: The Inq (http://www.theinq.com/default.aspx?article=35614)

[i_am_mustang_man]

yes! first R600 leaks on the way.... please?!

[Track]

The first R600 silicon is clocked slower then the final card

than*

[Batou1986]

i see ati pulling out the lead in gfx this time around g81 will prob come out and pwn it but hopefully ati will dominate the dx10 series for the next year or so so i don't have to make the switch to green to play crysis and ut2007 @ 1680x1050

[lemonadesoda]

The New ATI is "green". See www.ati.com

Personally, I think that AMD has successfully started on the path of brand destruction. A lot of the "ati" brand equity is being lost.

The same has happened with REWE's recent take over of HL and MiniMAL. (Different industry, but same concept).

[Zubasa]

i see ati pulling out the lead in gfx this time around g81 will prob come out and pwn it but hopefully ati will dominate the dx10 series for the next year or so so i don't have to make the switch to green to play crysis and ut2007 @ 1680x1050

Go with Sapphire cards if you hate green, they get blue pcb and blue coolers :laugh:

[ATIonion]

The New ATI is "green". See www.ati.com

Personally, I think that AMD has successfully started on the path of brand destruction. A lot of the "ati" brand equity is being lost.

The same has happened with REWE's recent take over of HL and MiniMAL. (Different industry, but same concept).

really? in 3 weeks amd has managed to send ati on a path of destruction?? and you have found this path?? and that is compairable to a completly different industry?? anything else we should know from your huge amount of knowledge?? How bout giving examples of how amd is doing this and on how "ATI's equity is being lost..." just curious, because you seem to think you know what you are talking about, lets see...:nutkick:

[DaJMasta]

really? in 3 weeks amd has managed to send ati on a path of destruction?? and you have found this path?? and that is compairable to a completly different industry?? anything else we should know from your huge amount of knowledge?? How bout giving examples of how amd is doing this and on how "ATI's equity is being lost..." just curious, because you seem to think you know what you are talking about, lets see...:nutkick:

Ya Rly.

If you take a look at what has been projected for months before, AMD will have some trouble fighting back until the end of 2007 and K8L, conroe is just an awesome architecture.

We also knew the 8800GTX would be first, but there's still plenty of speculation that the R600 will be faster. Just consider how many people's comupters actually use vista at this point.... probably only a few thousand. They're the only ones who can even hope to take advantage of DX10, and even then there are no real apps which use it. nVidia pushed this out way early.

[15th Warlock]

Ati dropped the ball once again IMO, there has been talk about the R600 since the R500 "Xenos" was first mentioned back in the days the Xbox360 was being developed, it was the same with the R520, nVidia was there first with the G70, then first than the R580 with the G71, and now first DX10 complaint card with the G80, months before the R600 specs are even out :(

I remember when it used to be the other way around, and Ati was ahead of the competition technology wise, like with the Radeon 8500 and the mighty 9700, funny how things are the other way around now.

I know Ati's card may end up being faster than the G80 in the end, but you can get the G80 now, just in time for the holidays season, and get awesome performance for current games now, not wait like 3~4 months for it...

And when the R600 is finally out, nVidia will have a more mature architecture, perhaps on a 80nm or even smaller process and the G81 or 8950GX2 cards will be released just in time to counter the threat, just as it has happened for the last year or so...

[overcast]

really? in 3 weeks amd has managed to send ati on a path of destruction?? and you have found this path?? and that is compairable to a completly different industry?? anything else we should know from your huge amount of knowledge?? How bout giving examples of how amd is doing this and on how "ATI's equity is being lost..." just curious, because you seem to think you know what you are talking about, lets see...:nutkick:
But d00d! They changed teh colorz! That means they are teh suck now!

[RickyG512]

so wat to do, i would of waited for R600 coz everyone say ATI has better image quality than Nvidia but now i heard G80 also has good image quality but the R600 might have even better image quality

also u might be able to do something with the R600 and AMD's cpus in the future as they have joined hands now

[overcast]

Ati dropped the ball once again IMO, there has been talk about the R600 since the R500 "Xenos" was first mentioned back in the days the Xbox360 was being developed, it was the same with the R520, nVidia was there first with the G70, then first than the R580 with the G71, and now first DX10 complaint card with the G80, months before the R600 specs are even out :(

I remember when it used to be the other way around, and Ati was ahead of the competition technology wise, like with the Radeon 8500 and the mighty 9700, funny how things are the other way around now.

I know Ati's card may end up being faster than the G80 in the end, but you can get the G80 now, just in time for the holidays season, and get awesome performance for current games now, not wait like 3~4 months for it...

And when the R600 is finally out, nVidia will have a more mature architecture, perhaps on a 80nm or even smaller process and the G81 or 8950GX2 cards will be released just in time to counter the threat, just as it has happened for the last year or so...
There is already awesome performance with current cards. The highend cards aren't even breaking a sweat with current games. Nobody needs these Directx10 cards for anything right now.

[overcast]

so wat to do, i would of waited for R600 coz everyone say ATI has better image quality than Nvidia but now i heard G80 also has good image quality but the R600 might have even better image quality

also u might be able to do something with the R600 and AMD's cpus in the future as they have joined hands now
You have an 1900xt, are you experience poor game performance on ANY game with that?

[Mad-Matt]

Ati dropped the ball once again IMO, there has been talk about the R600 since the R500 "Xenos" was first mentioned back in the days the Xbox360 was being developed, it was the same with the R520, nVidia was there first with the G70, then first than the R580 with the G71, and now first DX10 complaint card with the G80, months before the R600 specs are even out :(

I remember when it used to be the other way around, and Ati was ahead of the competition technology wise, like with the Radeon 8500 and the mighty 9700, funny how things are the other way around now.

I know Ati's card may end up being faster than the G80 in the end, but you can get the G80 now, just in time for the holidays season, and get awesome performance for current games now, not wait like 3~4 months for it...

And when the R600 is finally out, nVidia will have a more mature architecture, perhaps on a 80nm or even smaller process and the G81 or 8950GX2 cards will be released just in time to counter the threat, just as it has happened for the last year or so...

Could end up like Nvidia has another FX on their hands just to say they were first with dx10, but find the dx10 support basic at best compared to R600. ati having a slight advantage since they have some knowledge of the unified shaders already from their x360 chips. Still, i dont plan to buy either untill their midrange price and have just ordered a 1950pro to tide me over until that point ;).

[Chewy]

You have an 1900xt, are you experience poor game performance on ANY game with that?

Hes got 1 gig some games might want more than that on max settings, like I'm sure Company of Heros would want more ram. I'm sure if he dident max every ram sucking setting he would be ok.

You should see if you get any lag in Company of heros I think its the ultimate system test.

[15th Warlock]

There is already awesome performance with current cards. The highend cards aren't even breaking a sweat with current games. Nobody needs these Directx10 cards for anything right now.

Try to run Oblivion or Company of Heroes on any dual GPU setup with FSAA, AF and all details maxed up at anything higher than 1280x1024 and then tell me if your system isn't brought to it's knees, and remember ppl who buy these cards wont play at anything lower than 1680x1050 with full FSAA and AF.

And what about Quake Wars and Unreal 2007 just some more months from now? There already is a game based on the Unreal 3 engine out that is stressing even the fastest cards around: RoboBlitz.

[shoman24v]

so wat to do, i would of waited for R600 coz everyone say ATI has better image quality than Nvidia but now i heard G80 also has good image quality but the R600 might have even better image quality

also u might be able to do something with the R600 and AMD's cpus in the future as they have joined hands now

Yo, dudebro. You have a 1440x900 monitor. You don't need a G80.

[RickyG512]

1440x900 is the same as 1280x1024, if you times the 2 number togeather u get roughfly the same answer

and yea i cant play all games on high coz then i will run into virtual memory which slows things down even thou my x1900xt is able to handle the settings at high

[ATIonion]

Ati dropped the ball once again IMO, there has been talk about the R600 since the R500 "Xenos" was first mentioned back in the days the Xbox360 was being developed, it was the same with the R520, nVidia was there first with the G70, then first than the R580 with the G71, and now first DX10 complaint card with the G80, months before the R600 specs are even out :(

I remember when it used to be the other way around, and Ati was ahead of the competition technology wise, like with the Radeon 8500 and the mighty 9700, funny how things are the other way around now.

I know Ati's card may end up being faster than the G80 in the end, but you can get the G80 now, just in time for the holidays season, and get awesome performance for current games now, not wait like 3~4 months for it...

And when the R600 is finally out, nVidia will have a more mature architecture, perhaps on a 80nm or even smaller process and the G81 or 8950GX2 cards will be released just in time to counter the threat, just as it has happened for the last year or so...


not sure if you have been watching the ati product line this last year or not, but they were the first with ddr4 and the x1900 line has been on top since day one of its release...

do you really think that ati has stopped its developing tech. at the R600 chip?? if they have then what you said about nvidia having "More Mature" product is true....and thanks for your speculation on future nvidia product...do you get your information directly from nvidia???


Fact is both ati and nvidia are great cards....both high end lines are great lines.....the prices are close to the same and the performance is nearly the same....argue numbers if you need to, but simple fact is most cant tell a diff. between the 2(excluding new 8800 line)......and every few months one company will release a card better then the others....this will always be the case...so ya nvidia will have new tech to release when R600 is out, but within 3-4 months of that ati will release something new as well...i cant speculate on what that will be, i dont pretend to know what ati or nvidia are planning...

i have owned both nvidia and ati... when i buy a new card i buy one from each company and test both, then pic the one i like the most...sometimes thats nvidia, but most times its ati for me..........

the Onion has spoken:rockout:

[overcast]

Hes got 1 gig some games might want more than that on max settings, like I'm sure Company of Heros would want more ram. I'm sure if he dident max every ram sucking setting he would be ok.

You should see if you get any lag in Company of heros I think its the ultimate system test.
This argument is over video cards, not RAM and the rest of his system. x1900xt is MORE than adequate to play every available game.

[overcast]

Try to run Oblivion or Company of Heroes on any dual GPU setup with FSAA, AF and all details maxed up at anything higher than 1280x1024 and then tell me if your system isn't brought to it's knees, and remember ppl who buy these cards wont play at anything lower than 1680x1050 with full FSAA and AF.

And what about Quake Wars and Unreal 2007 just some more months from now? There already is a game based on the Unreal 3 engine out that is stressing even the fastest cards around: RoboBlitz.

Fine, if you're going to take into account the 10% of people that play on extremely high resolutions, then you are correct. I would say the MAJORITY of people play no higher than 1280x1024. And I've played both Oblivion and Company of Heroes on my x1900xtx totally maxed out with zero problems.

[15th Warlock]

The X1950 is arguably the fastest single GPU card around, no doubt about it, but as advanced as it is with its multiple pixel shader architecture, it gets beaten up by the 7950GX2, so the fastest card around isn't an Ati card anymore...

Never said Ati stopped developing tech at the R600, it's obvious they are working on new technologies with AMD like HT socket GPUs, C+GPU, and R700 no doubt. As you say speculation, but having watched this industry for many years I tell you, it's not that hard to see where all is heading.

IT companies never stop researching products, what you have in your hands now is obsolete if you enter a research lab at Intel, AMD, Ati or nVidia. The G80 alone was 4 years in development, that means nVidia started work on that architecture even before the NV40 was released a long time ago. Intel talks about 32 or even more cores in a proc, AMD+Ati work on an HT socket were all you'll have to change is the GPU, just as a CPU, nothing is static in this industry, everything is dynamic.

What I said about nVidia having a more mature architecture was based on what has been seen in the industry these last two years. Ati has been working on revolutionary designs, like the R520, but nVidia has beaten them when it comes to release products to the high end market. Dunno if you get my point, but take this for example: When was the last time Ati released a product so revolutionary and ahead of the competition that it changed the whole video card industry? Last time I remember was with the 9700Pro about 5 years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I've owned both Ati and nVidia cards as well, I always get the card that gives me the more performance for my buck.

Like I said, I have no doubt that the R600 will be faster than the G80, it has to be! but by then, as usual, nVidia will have migrated to a smaller manufacturing process and will release a faster version of the G80, just as it has happened before.

Ati has done that in the past as well, first the 9700Pro, then the 9800, then the 9800XT, all the time beating the competition, both in performance and in technology, and that's precisely what I meant when I said that they dropped the ball, ever since the 6 series came out, it looks as if Ati was playing catch up with nVidia when it comes to having the fastest card available first.

[ATIonion]

it looks as if Ati was playing catch up with nVidia when it comes to having the fastest card available first.


agreed:rockout:

[lemonadesoda]

really? in 3 weeks amd has managed to send ati on a path of destruction?? and you have found this path?? and that is compairable to a completly different industry?? anything else we should know from your huge amount of knowledge?? How bout giving examples of how amd is doing this and on how "ATI's equity is being lost..." just curious, because you seem to think you know what you are talking about, lets see...
Look up the term brand equity before you comment :eek: . Your cocky comments after picking up the wrong end of the stick make you look like a real twit. :roll: Go back to school.:nutkick:

[qwo]

I prefer nvidia just because their driver use less ram. and their driver is not based on .net

I dont think of performance much when buying video cards, because i disable AA all the time

I think only very little will disable AA, but I like playing without AA more

[i_am_mustang_man]

Fine, if you're going to take into account the 10% of people that play on extremely high resolutions, then you are correct. I would say the MAJORITY of people play no higher than 1280x1024. And I've played both Oblivion and Company of Heroes on my x1900xtx totally maxed out with zero problems.

qft.
i just want it to be clear, that those 10% are the ones who are buying up the cards.

[Makaveli]

I guess nobody told u, u can install the Ati driver with Ati tools and no .net which I am currently doing.

And warlock, R600 is gonna be released Q1 07, so nvidia is gonna have a die shrink and a product refresh out in Q1? Can u show me that roadmap ?

[15th Warlock]

And warlock, R600 is gonna be released Q1 07, so nvidia is gonna have a die shrink and a product refresh out in Q1? Can u show me that roadmap ?

More "G80" Derivatives in February (http://www.techpowerup.com/?19869)

The GeForce 8800 powerhouse was announced earlier today with much fanfare, but it appears as more products are already in the pipeline. According to internal NVIDIA roadmaps released yesterday, the company is expecting at least one more G80 derivative in February of 2007.

Both the GeForce 8800GTX and 8800GTS cards are based on the same G80 processor, even though the 8800GTS is a cut down of the same core; the 8800GTX features 128 unified shaders while the 8800GTS features only 96. Additionally, the 8800GTS is a smaller card, with less cooling and a lower profile PCB.

Although vendors are tight lipped about the upcoming card, it seems that the only two options the card may be is either another cut down -- which is common as yields mature -- or a multi-GPU solution similar to the GeForce 7950GX2.

AMD is also expected to announce the ATI R600 graphics core around the same time.

No mention of a die shrink, but that was an educated guess on my part based on what has been seen in the industry in the past year or so.

[pt]

I guess nobody told u, u can install the Ati driver with Ati tools and no .net which I am currently doing.

And warlock, R600 is gonna be released Q1 07, so nvidia is gonna have a die shrink and a product refresh out in Q1? Can u show me that roadmap ?

it will probabily be released before the end of 06, christmas gift are going to be R600 for everyone :D

[Makaveli]

"Although vendors are tight lipped about the upcoming card, it seems that the only two options the card may be is either another cut down -- which is common as yields mature -- or a multi-GPU solution similar to the GeForce 7950GX2."

That is the key part of what u quoted. That doesn't seem like a Confirmed statement to me, the Source is Dailytech, a site that regular has mistakes and spelling errors in their articles.

And if this were true, wouldn't make more sense for them to be releasing Midrange cards for the under $400 price range. Both the GTX and GTS are highend cards with highend price tags.

i'm gonna put my money on seeing a Faster refresh from nv in summer 07 of these cards.

[Dyno]

This card is going to pwn! I can already see the 8800 series have no chance against it. I think the R600 is going to need an icebox to be kept alive though. These ATI cards are hot as the sun. :p

[Protius]

This card is going to pwn! I can already see the 8800 series have no chance against it. I think the R600 is going to need an icebox to be kept alive though. These ATI cards are hot as the sun. :p

amen

[Makaveli]

lol buying a $600 videocard makes u rich? when u have a decent paying job six bills ain't that much. u should never get into cars now that is an expensive hobby.

[pentastar111]

This card is going to pwn! I can already see the 8800 series have no chance against it. I think the R600 is going to need an icebox to be kept alive though. These ATI cards are hot as the sun. :p It will definitely be enteresting to see the vid card wars in the following year. I will say that I will go for the make that delivers the most performance, but one of the things that has held me back from the ATI's is the heat issues.

[tkpenalty]

this reminds me when nvidia was losing the battle against ati, in the FX5950 vs the Radeon 9700... what made it worse that ati released the 9800... GO ATI!!!

I reckon ATI and AMD will be wiser and opt for the more performance per clock principle...

Why is it 384 Bit anyway?

[Casheti]

All this about 8800's owning, when they have no DX10 programs to own with. At the moment they are just a high end DX9 card, which nobody actually needs. And also, I think the R600 will be better based on the fact that they have more time to develop their technology, and purely on the basis that I have been with ATi almost all of my computing life (apart from my FX5200) and I love ATi. I have an X850XT at the moment and after all these years it still owns. It's one amazing GPU, and I think the R600 is gonna be just the same. It will stay around forever, and whoop that G80's ass...as for image quality, ATi win again. I'm going to stay with them until the day I die, unless I go for a dual GPU setup in which case I will get SLi, until ATi get some Crossfire bridges out. Then crossfire FTW :D

[Makaveli]

Hmm that was a non bias post :rolleyes: