Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

[tkpenalty]

Phew... Sorry guys I was at camp for three days...

[Craigleberry]

Yep I get to use 7.10 now lol

[imperialreign]

nice 3m06 score, Cb - what were you scoring before the C2D?

[Craigleberry]

Cant remember wasnt that good I know that.
Shouldve ran a test before I got rid of the old rig

[tkpenalty]

Holy cow, how did we get 2000 views in a day? O_o.

Geez...my X1950PRO isnt fairing well with the summerlike spring heat... 41*C idle and 55*C load. Thats much hotter than usual. Anyway... wheres everybody gone?

[Widjaja]

Holy cow, how did we get 2000 views in a day? O_o.

Geez...my X1950PRO isnt fairing well with the summerlike spring heat... 41*C idle and 55*C load. Thats much hotter than usual. Anyway... wheres everybody gone?

My pro is most of the time at 40deg idle and 76deg load.:p
I think most questions have been covered about the X1950pro so this thread will be quiet.
Maybe poeple are viewing this thread to see if there are any new interesting things which have come up?

Anyway the date for my rig upgrade is drawing closer.
Back to nVidia or stay with ATi. . .eVGA 8800GTS 640mb or Sapphire HD2900XT.

Tough choice for me since I think they're about the same price over here.

[tkpenalty]

mmm... HD2900XT? To be honest, the HD2900XT still has much room for improvement in terms of drivers

[imperialreign]

I think most questions have been covered about the X1950pro so this thread will be quiet.
Maybe poeple are viewing this thread to see if there are any new interesting things which have come up?



I'm still researching and testing the various PCIE settings I have in BIOS, which I understand are similar for ASUS mobo's . ..

but, for some reason, I loaded FEAR back onto the rig, and have been playing that recently instead of doing anything worthwhile :o

[Widjaja]

mmm... HD2900XT? To be honest, the HD2900XT still has much room for improvement in terms of drivers

Yes I believe it is the case when it comes to the HD2900XT as seen in the release notes of late.
I just wonder how much improvement there's going to be.
I think I'll wait for a for a couple more drivers to come out to see how much more improvement is made on the card since it do want to stick with ATi.

[FreedomLemming]

I have a x1950 GT with some new problems and was hoping something could help me. A few of the more recent games (Bioshock, Quake Wars, Orange Box, ect.) crash like mad on graphics settings that should cakewalk for my system. After some testing I have found that the card is overheating at ridiculous rates.

What can I use to help cool it down? I want to use the Accelero X2 but I was not sure if it would be applicable to the GT. I know that and the Pro have nearly the same layout but I wanted to be sure before I threw down for it and a Voltage Regulator.

[Wile E]

I have a x1950 GT with some new problems and was hoping something could help me. A few of the more recent games (Bioshock, Quake Wars, Orange Box, ect.) crash like mad on graphics settings that should cakewalk for my system. After some testing I have found that the card is overheating at ridiculous rates.

What can I use to help cool it down? I want to use the Accelero X2 but I was not sure if it would be applicable to the GT. I know that and the Pro have nearly the same layout but I wanted to be sure before I threw down for it and a Voltage Regulator.How good is your case airflow? How many fans, what size are they, what case do you have, etc., etc.?

Buying an aftermarket gfx cooler is useless, if case flow isn't up to snuff.

[Widjaja]

@Freedom Lemming
Fillout the system specs in your user CP.
Makes solving your problem alot easier.

What is the make of your X1950GT?
Have you overclocked your card?
What voltage is the card at?
Checked to see if your GPU H/S is clogged up with dust?

My card handles Bioshock very well on high settings and has no artifacting.
After a while the cooler will start to get going and gets up to about 78deg max in Bioshock.

[tkpenalty]

Generally X1950GTs have pretty poor cooling. However, FreedomLearning, I would post your system specs on the drop down list (search in your control panel). I would install a VF700ALCU/CU onto your GPU instead of an Accelero, I am under the assumption that your case has poor airflow. Note I said VF700 not VF900.

[FreedomLemming]

I added as many specs as I could name off the top of my head right now (on a campus computer). Let me know if I must post more, please.

Well, my case isn't the smallest by far but it's down there. It's really just a cheap exoskeleton, to be honest. I really have never had a cooling problem with it, but I think the video card definitely is cramped for space. There are plenty of holes on the sides yet I have a feeling I should probably get a new one.

The video card gets very, very hot with the new games, which is why I believe the stock fan is either crap/dying. The VPU recovery usually kicks in a few times (example: Game freezes, monitor goes black, then comes back to game, ect.) and then the video card flops and I have to reboot.

So do you think if I get a good case with air flow an extra fans inside it that I will not need to replace the fan on the card?

[Craigleberry]

Have you tried gaming with the side panel off?
Maybe do that and also get a pedastall fan blowing over it and see what happens when you do that..... Hope this helps. Also those cards need to have a good PSU a cheap one wont do the job.

[FreedomLemming]

I use an Antec 500W for PS. One of the tests I did was keep the side open and hold my room at what felt like 50 C with the huge box fan pointing directly into the case. I'm going to go ahead and upgrade the case and hope I can get away without messing with the video card.

*crosses fingers*

[GrapeApe]

So what about the Mobility side of the equation? Can we join, maybe at 3/4 the dues? :D

Biggest personal issue is Vista drivers for Mobility parts. AMD is still $crewing over consumers in order to please OEM partners by saying "we can't give you the drivers, your Laptop maker has to..." Which of course they pretty much never do. If I was left to Gateway's driver updates I'd still be stuck on Cat 5.4 on my old MRX700 equipped laptop. Thankfully I have an inside track to XP beta drivers from my testing days back when, but with the shake-up at AMD I have no love in Vista from the new gang.

With the large number of laptop users growing and there still being somewhat capable mid-range gaming laptops, this is going to be a bigger issue in the future IMO.

Sofar my solution for the N6460 is to revert to XP. Once Crysis is out and I've mucked around with it's DX10 path (hoping it actually works on old drivers), then bye-bye Vista hello again XP Pro, since it's not like the HD2600 will be playable in DX10, so no need for now until future fixes and I return to Vista-U-64. Fujitsu is one of the companies supporting the roll-back to XP for all Vista-UE owners, which is nice, but still a hassle versus just them giving me new Vista drivers. BTW, it's the same for HP and Toshiba owners. :mad:

I don't expect any help on this issue but I wanted to share our mobile agony with the club members; and just remind you, as bad as things may be for you and may look for you, just be happy you're not a mobile user stuck with 7.6 Cats or using the DH Mod tool (which is 50/50 right now for HD2Ks in Vista) so you can play Quake wars or bioshock without massive tearing/stuttering.

I have all the nice fixings of the new core/marchitecture including the supposed better HD playback (couldn't tell you won't stop stuttering [known issue fixed y CAT 7.8 & 7.9]), but due to the drivers, it's really not much better than my old overclocked Mobility X700. :banghead:

I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess...... but I can't go back to desktops. :shadedshu

[Widjaja]

@Freedon Lemming.
When you get back to your PC, check to see if it's clogged with dust.
My rig has a 80mm intake on the side and the GPU hasn't crashed for me.
It's a stock Sapphire rev1 which have poor cooling too.

[tkpenalty]

Save yourself some money and grab a CM 690. That case is VALUE PACKED.

[tkpenalty]

*bump*

[peach1971]

Met. :)

[tkpenalty]

I wonder why the club is so inactive these days...

[Widjaja]

Everyone has gone to nVidia:p

[imperialreign]

not much else to talk about, I guess . . . all us 1950 owners are saving for 2900s :D

[Tatty_One]

not much else to talk about, I guess . . . all us 1950 owners are saving for 2900s :D

I hope not cause you will be wasting your money, get a 8800GT on Monday, they will be cheaper and quicker ;)

[imperialreign]

meh . . . I still can't afford to buy another GPU until sometime next year - I plan on replacing this P4 with a Kentsfield, first - and hell, by the time I get around to a new GPU, maybe the 3ks will be out, or the 2900XTXs will be a little cheaper.

[mitsirfishi]

yes kill that p4 off she is holding you back then maybe think of another gpu if you have enough in your pocket :)

[manycheese]

heya.

im having problems with my HIS Radeon X1950 Pro ICEq3 512mb AGP.

Getting random crashes where video output stops, audio keeps going.

I have an Antec NEO HE430GB 430W Modular PSU.
with a AMD Athalon X2 2.2ghz, 2x dimms 1 GB, 3x optical drives, 1x 120gb HD

i was wondering if you guys thought that that psu would be the problem?

becuase some people have sed that its not the psu its the card...

ps. Its not overheating

[mitsirfishi]

drivers ?

[Widjaja]

heya.

im having problems with my HIS Radeon X1950 Pro ICEq3 512mb AGP.

Getting random crashes where video output stops, audio keeps going.



I don't think it's the PSU.

Haven't we heard about these cards acting wierd before?:rolleyes:
When did the card start doing this?
What drivers are you using?
Do you know what revision of the card you have?

I latest drivers seem to be fine with these cards but not 7.8 & 7.9.
If the latest drivers don't work with you card use 7.6 drivers as they work with all X1950 AGP cards without issues.

If that doesn't work try it in someone elses rig if you can.

[tkpenalty]

heya.

im having problems with my HIS Radeon X1950 Pro ICEq3 512mb AGP.

Getting random crashes where video output stops, audio keeps going.

I have an Antec NEO HE430GB 430W Modular PSU.
with a AMD Athalon X2 2.2ghz, 2x dimms 1 GB, 3x optical drives, 1x 120gb HD

i was wondering if you guys thought that that psu would be the problem?

becuase some people have sed that its not the psu its the card...

ps. Its not overheating

Its the card... Check the VRM heatsink, and feel if its warm or not (the copper one under the HIS fan..) I'm suspecting that they dont use any thermal pads there. I recommend you send the card back and purchase an X1950PRO from another mfgr like Powercolor or Sapphire. These HIS cards cause so much problems for some reason, most of the support recently has only been about these cards. I wonder why, I'd love to have one of these to see how they are made.

[manycheese]

Its the card... Check the VRM heatsink, and feel if its warm or not (the copper one under the HIS fan..) I'm suspecting that they dont use any thermal pads there. I recommend you send the card back and purchase an X1950PRO from another mfgr like Powercolor or Sapphire. These HIS cards cause so much problems for some reason, most of the support recently has only been about these cards. I wonder why, I'd love to have one of these to see how they are made.

i looked and they do..

just found something funny on my box.

well you guys know that the rev 2. and rev 1 had different clock speeds. (HIS x1950 Pro AGp)

under a sticker saying the rev. 2 clock speeds it says the rev. 1 clock speeds...

[Craigleberry]

I got rid of my AGP X1950 Pro coz I got sick of trying to get it to work! I have a Sapphire PCIe now it is going good. Stock cooling on the Sapphire, I just checked the temp in CCC after a workout and she is running at 44 under load. Is this good? I put a few fans into this rig hopefully she will keep nice and cool.:)

[p_o_s_pc]

yes it is good.My 7900GS doesn't even run that cool but it does have a volt-mod

[tkpenalty]

Wow 44*C Under load???!?!?! WTF? Thats better than my accelero. Try using scan for artifacts and check the temp there instead.

[Widjaja]

I'm pretty sure someone I talked to was getting those temps with a later rev Sapphire too.
But if those are the correct temp then yes they are very good and a huge improvement from the Rev 1.

[tkpenalty]

Idle would be 35~45*C Load would be 50~60*C, idle cant be 44*C when a VF900CU cant even do that.

[imperialreign]

this might be one of those "I just woke up and am still dazed and confused" questions, but . . .

I just realized that per the packaging, my 1950 PRO supports shader model 3.0

but, even with DX9c installed, every other bit of software only says 2.0 - 3m06, ATT, Everest . . .

sup with that?

[eidairaman1]

ok Do you have the last 2 Latest Splinter Cell Games, if you do then they are SM3.0 Only, if they play on what you have then you have SM3.0

[Widjaja]

this might be one of those "I just woke up and am still dazed and confused" questions, but . . .

I just realized that per the packaging, my 1950 PRO supports shader model 3.0

but, even with DX9c installed, every other bit of software only says 2.0 - 3m06, ATT, Everest . . .

sup with that?

Lol that would be a shock to the system.
I just checked my card specs with 06 and everest and they are both saying v3.0 pixel shader.

Anyway if your card passes the HDR/SM 3.0 test it definitley has shader 3.0.

My card has odd readings when it comes to the video and texture memory size in 3Dmark06.
Right now it says I have 518mb video and texture and 248mb AGP aperture size.
I'm pretty sure it said 1GB video and texture memory with cat 7.9:rockout:

My mates 7600GT read faster GPU clock in 06' when he updated his to later drivers.

[imperialreign]

well, it defi passes the HDR tests . . .

IDK - kinda a dumb question now, y'know! Damn, my brain musta been 100% off when I got on the net this morning! :laugh:

[Craigleberry]

Idle would be 35~45*C Load would be 50~60*C, idle cant be 44*C when a VF900CU cant even do that.

Well I was playing TDU online for over an hour and when I quit the game I checke the temps straight away. How do I check it while I am gaming?:toast:
My Idle temp is 38-39 ATM

[Wile E]

Well I was playing TDU online for over an hour and when I quit the game I checke the temps straight away. How do I check it while I am gaming?:toast:
You don't. Have AMD Gpu Clock Tool, Riva Tuner, or ATI Tool log it for you.

[tkpenalty]

As I stated previously, use ATI Tool. Run "Scan for artifacts" and sit there and watch the furry cube for like 5 minutes, then you'll get your load temps PRESTO!

[Craigleberry]

As I stated previously, use ATI Tool. Run "Scan for artifacts" and sit there and watch the furry cube for like 5 minutes, then you'll get your load temps PRESTO!

Sorry TK.. Just ran the tool and 65 is the load temp.:D
I think I might get an aftermarket GPU Cooler for this.
I have got 1 120mm at the rear and one at the front, plus 2 80mm sitting under the DVDburner blowing over the ram.
2 80mm fans on the side panel blowing onto the X1950.
P.S sorry for not doing my homework on the load temp I feel like a nob now.

[tkpenalty]

65*C is perfectly fine O_o

[Widjaja]

When using ATi Tray Tools and enabling the GPU temp monitor, it will give you the minimal temp and the maximum temp after playing a game.
Games do generally raise the temp more than say scanning for artifacts in ATi Tool.
Games I know of which heat up the card are 1:Stalker 2:Need for speed Carbon 3:Bioshock 4:Oblivion.
1 being the quickest to heat up the card.

Average max load for my card is 76-81deg.

[tkpenalty]

When using ATi Tray Tools and enabling the GPU temp monitor, it will give you the minimal temp and the maximum temp after playing a game.
Games do generally raise the temp more than say scanning for artifacts in ATi Tool.
Games I know of which heat up the card are 1:Stalker 2:Need for speed Carbon 3:Bioshock 4:Oblivion.
1 being the quickest to heat up the card.

Average max load for my card is 76-81deg.

Mmm... i'd try applying new thermal paste :p then lapping it. I want to see the potential of the new cooler. Well actually the reason for it running so warm is the summer heat though.... my system is frying hot atm T_T.

[Craigleberry]

When using ATi Tray Tools and enabling the GPU temp monitor, it will give you the minimal temp and the maximum temp after playing a game.
Games do generally raise the temp more than say scanning for artifacts in ATi Tool.
Games I know of which heat up the card are 1:Stalker 2:Need for speed Carbon 3:Bioshock 4:Oblivion.
1 being the quickest to heat up the card.

Average max load for my card is 76-81deg.

Thanks Widjaja.
I didnt think my PC would get hot with all of those fans and at the standard speeds.
Although it does sound like a turbine. (water cooling would be a lot quiter):laugh:

[Widjaja]

Mmm... i'd try applying new thermal paste :p then lapping it. I want to see the potential of the new cooler. Well actually the reason for it running so warm is the summer heat though.... my system is frying hot atm T_T.

Yeah I would but I'm not game enough to take of the GPU cooler for the card.:o
Haven't lapped anything yet either.
I think the coolers are just not the best on the Sapphires, actually the worst.
I'm guessing they didn't look at the cooling from an overclocking point of view.

As for the heat, yes I noticed the temps went up a little bit about a couple of months ago for everything in my system due the season.

Pretty cool temperatures in winter being 18deg in the room brrrrr!

[tkpenalty]

lol... im used to 18 deg... some reason i cant take any heat T_T.

Its easy taking the GPU cooler off the card btw... REALLY easy. Unfasten screws, then it just comes off like that. Then use 96% isoproply alcohol (from diggers), and clean off the thermal paste on the GPU core. Then put new thermal paste on and reposition the thermal pads and put the cooler back on, screwing everything back on again. Its not that hard.

[imperialreign]

my 1950 looked like it used some decent TIM for the GPU, but it's got those sticky pads for the VRAM. I wish there was something better I could put on the memory, but I'm quite a bit leary of using any "paste-like" TIM on them. Aside from that, though, the bottom side of the copper fansink seemed pretty flat, surprisingly, and the grain of the finish was all in one even direction.

At least ATI didn't skimp on the stock fansinks and heat spreader for their mid-range cards!

[tkpenalty]

keep the same thermal pads, they do fine. However, the thermalpaste, is crap, regardless of what type, its generic OEM stuff.

[tkpenalty]

Wonder why the clubhouse is so inactive...? I might as well start expanding the clubhouse. Anyway, Its somewhat interesting reading all the HD3800 rumors, they all seem so incongruent. One source says "its faster" the other says its "slower". So anyway... whos waiting for the RV670 to come out before they buy anything? I surely am.

[hat]

Threads die... I believe it's happening to the teen club as well. Last few pages are filled with F@H updates, lol

[Wile E]

Wonder why the clubhouse is so inactive...? I might as well start expanding the clubhouse. Anyway, Its somewhat interesting reading all the HD3800 rumors, they all seem so incongruent. One source says "its faster" the other says its "slower". So anyway... whos waiting for the RV670 to come out before they buy anything? I surely am.I'm gonna see what it's all about. If it ends up faster than my 2900, I'll sell this and buy one. If not, I may still sell this for an 8800GT.

[mitsirfishi]

im just waiting for the 2950pro im guna get the gladiator :D just they did say sample reviews where going to be around september but they must be whey late again as usual but ive hardly seen any review just the clock speeds of what we expect from these cards i almost brought a 8800gt yesterday but held back as ill wait for the 2950 to come out and hopefully do justice and fill the legacy of the X1950Pro :D might not be till december when we get the cards :(

[tkpenalty]

Man Karl.. you have a huge patience O_O.

[tkpenalty]

Threads die... I believe it's happening to the teen club as well. Last few pages are filled with F@H updates, lol

YESS :laugh:

*Sadistic, evil, err.... hysterical laughter*

[Mediocre]

well, we could use the power of the club house to....






Find 'ocre a way to bump the core voltage on his 2900 ddr4... :D







Or take bets on high the wife's opteron 170 will go when it gets here :p

[mitsirfishi]

Man Karl.. you have a huge patience O_O.

:eek: used my real name everyone will know who i am :o im a person of mystery :slap: yes tk i was very very tempted to get the 8800gt as it was there right infront of my eyes :p i though ah stuff it if ati/amd cant recreate the x1950pro in a uber faster edition i shall :respect: Nvidia bearing in mind every Nvidia card i have actually owned with the execption of my fx5950ultra which is in a old socket A setup have all blown up :roll:

Nvidia R.I.P list
mx440
fx5200
6800Le x2
6800Ultra
7300gt
8400gs - thats in sisters pc for sims lol

[p_o_s_pc]

Threads die... I believe it's happening to the teen club as well. Last few pages are filled with F@H updates, lol
ya i know but that is fine it isn't dead just starting to flat line:cry:.every now and then it will get a pause

[imperialreign]

Liked I had figured a while back, everyone's waiting on the new hardware - seems we've beaten the 1950's to death :D

I still won't be in the market for any newer cars until after I snag a new CPU, but, I've been half tempted to put my 1950 up for sale and put that money towards a 2900.

IDK - I've been happy with the 1950 except for a few things. Namely, the reason I bought a shelf ATI model was the $80 rebate that was offered ($10 at the register, $70 mail-in - the card was $249 on the shelf), but I still haven't gotten the $70 check back from VisionTek yet, and it's been since July :mad:

poor OC doesn't bother me, but no hardware temp monitoring or fan speed control I thought was a bit cheap on ATI's part

this is probably the last shelf model ATI I'll ever buy, though - rebate or not

[tkpenalty]

:eek: used my real name everyone will know who i am :o im a person of mystery :slap: yes tk i was very very tempted to get the 8800gt as it was there right infront of my eyes :p i though ah stuff it if ati/amd cant recreate the x1950pro in a uber faster edition i shall :respect: Nvidia bearing in mind every Nvidia card i have actually owned with the execption of my fx5950ultra which is in a old socket A setup have all blown up :roll:

Nvidia R.I.P list
mx440
fx5200
6800Le x2
6800Ultra
7300gt
8400gs - thats in sisters pc for sims lol

O_o Holy Cow.... You must have had really bad luck to have that many dead GPUs.

My R.I.P. List:
mx440
9550 (...died after being in storage)
TNT2
ATI Rage PRO

lawl.

Hmmm anyway, I might as well start buying another GPU, probably one more X1950PRO for crossfire. Imperialreign, are you selling it on TPU? I think I might want it due to the fact that the ATI Models have a full copper fansink, as opposed to other manufacturers .

[imperialreign]

what'd y'all do, torch 'em? I've never had a VGA adapter die on me, I've always had to retire them . . . anyway, I've got these in a box somewhere

Trident 9000 ISA
Matrox 576-05 PCI
Trident 9680 PCI
Creative CT6710 AGP
ATI Rage3D Pro 128 AGP
3DFX VooDoo3 3000 PCI

<gap: my time without a PC>

ATI X700 PRO PCIe
ATI X1950 PRO PCIe

also got a VisionTek X1300 512MB PCIe for free, but have never used it daily

[p_o_s_pc]

my list
R.I.P
MX4000(PCI) cause of death overvolt and over 80% GPU OC on stock HS no fan
X1950pro(PCI-E) cause of death unknown
Mx440(AGP)OCed on stock HSF in a case that had bad air flow.

[hat]

Fold on it!!

My death list... one INTEL D865PERL AGP port.
Two really old german case fans. They were interconnected somehow and got power from the same power line, and I broke one of the wires that connected them.
One headset. Died due to old age.

[Wile E]

Somehow, a gfx card is the ONLY computer part I never managed to kill. :roll:

[imperialreign]

If I didn't have such high respect for my VooDoo3, I'd send it to ya to finish it off. It was my first GPU that I ever OCed, and it survived my "learning" experience :D

[Widjaja]

Only thing which has died in my system is an 80mm L.E.D fan.
But I made it work again by taking parts from another fan my mate had killed.

[mitsirfishi]

that isnt my only list :P do you want me to list the Ati cards which have also snuffed it in the past 2 ?

[Kursah]

tk, can you update me to using an x1950xtx? I still have my Pro, contemplating selling it...might just hold onto it though.

Of course, been folding with it, here and there. It suprised me for how good it is compared to the PRO at higher resolutions, but at the same time impressed me how well the PRO was put together.

The only card that's died on me is my old 9600pro, cause of death unknown.

I've had a few vga cards, I used to use integrated video in my older rigs...but I've had:

S3 Trio 64V+ 4mb PCI,
3dfx VooDoo Banshee 16mb PCI,
3dfx VooDoo 2 16mb PCI (iirc),
GeForce 2 MX440 64mb AGP 2/4x,
Gigabyte 9600Pro 128mb AGP 4/8x,
ATI x850Pro 256mb (modded to 16pipe x850xt pe) AGP 4/8x,
Powercolor x1950pro Extreme 256mb PCI-e x16,
ATI x1950xtx 512mb PCI-e x16

At least that's all I can remember for now, I had a couple before the S3, but can't recall them atm.

:toast:

[p_o_s_pc]

Somehow, a gfx card is the ONLY computer part I never managed to kill. :roll:

That has been the only part other than a fan i have killed.:laugh:

[tkpenalty]

http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2007/November/General%20News/gigabyte_gv_rx295p512.jpg

Man... this looks nice, the HD2950PRO Gigabyte... Some reason gigabyte calls it the HD2950PRO.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4060&Itemid=1

I like how gigabyte uses three phase, it basically means that there is no need for heatsinks on the mofsets.

[Widjaja]

Looks pretty bare to me.
Anyway, as long as the fan is good enough to be able to OC the card some.
The last card I had was from Gigabyte and it did me well.

The fan looks like it could also cool down the other card on the back a little if in CF mode too.

[DaMulta]

http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2007/November/General%20News/gigabyte_gv_rx295p512.jpg

Man... this looks nice, the HD2950PRO Gigabyte... Some reason gigabyte calls it the HD2950PRO.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4060&Itemid=1

I like how gigabyte uses three phase, it basically means that there is no need for heatsinks on the mofsets.
8800GT
http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/news/Hardware/Gigabyte_GV-NX88t512HP_01.jpg

Now tell me which one looks cheaper to make:toast:

[Widjaja]

They look nearly identical to me.
I'm guessing the HD2950pro since there are less caps?
Otherwise I'd say they are pretty close in price to make.

[tkpenalty]

The 8800GT's smaller... as a tribute possibly to the 7900GS? Haha... anyway god damn it why is the clubhouse so empty these days? (Fires a intercontinental ballistic missile at the Teen, and AMDTI club).

We've had nothing bud just plain made up stuff about the HD2950PRO lately, except for its physical appearance. We've had the following: Specifications + pics and then benchmarks - pics. So confusing!

[erocker]

Here's a pic of them same size:
http://img.techpowerup.org/071108/jhgdjf.jpg

[tkpenalty]

yep yep...

7900GS = same length as 8800GT Same memory chip layout
X1950PRO = Same length as HD3870/50 Same memory chip layout

And notice that the the previous gen also used VF700ALCUs...?

[imperialreign]

yeah, those cards do look very similar . . . I find it interesting, too, how bare bones the HD is in that pic . . .



I also noticed the outline on the HD somewhat around the perimeter of the card - based on ATI's PCB's, that's a major difference in cooler area. I wonder how well those Giga's will OC.

[tkpenalty]

To be honest, I dont think adding three phase as well as a better selection of capacitors will really affect how the card does normally, and how it overclocks normally. But of course, once you grab the soldering iron, these gigabyte cards will be a dream to voltmod, thanks to the more durable PCB, etcetra.

Thinking about getting a HD3870... A gigabyte one especially! No need for aftermarket solutions + No VRMs to be annoyed with and gigabyte's top notch quality.

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Anyway guys, remember this clubhouse is for ALL ATI/AMD X1xxx and up products, meaning X1050 and higher. That means X1600pro users or X1800XT, HD2400PRO etcetra, users can come here for support. I don't think people got the message so... NEW COMPETITION!

Goal: To develop a new title for a clubhouse that satisfies the threshholds above! >=D

Anyway, this is what i do EVERY time i edit something on the clubhouse's first post (information post)...

http://img.techpowerup.org/071108/ANGST.jpg

ARRGHGH $*@&#*@*&#&* Its so huge... :roll: Its sorta annoying but thankfully i had that Ctrl + F system implemented... so yeah thats how it looks like every time I try to edit the clubhouse =_=.


Message to other clubhouses: Dont copy me =_+

[imperialreign]

:laugh: we still commend ya on that daunting task, man!

BTW, seeing as how the whole X1Ks thing was brought up - I've got a VisionTek X1300 non-PRO 512MB GDDR2 laying around that I was going to mess with a bit more . . . vmod, tweak, etc.

are there any other BIOS versions I can flash it to? The card doesn't support fan control or hardware monitoring, so I know the Pro and XT models are out.

[tkpenalty]

lmfao! When you install any cooling system on a card like the X1300s imperialreign, shine a bright light around the card, and look at the core, perpendicular to the PCB and chip, then see if any light is shining between the cooler and GPU Die.

Yeah you are pretty much blind though when you are using cards like that :laugh:. Same problem with my 9550, I guessed how hot it ran by how much heat was being transferred to the heatsink. At first I was kinda surprised how bad the new nb cooler was, then i had a look and saw a TINY spec of light, and remounted the cooler. Then it overclocked like a dream. (its dead now!)

Mmm.. I WAS going to get two GDDR3 128MB X1600PRO ICE Q Turbo if you guys remember last year XD. Crossfire with X1600PROs would have looked awesome! Haha... At the moment I'm really annoyed at my Accelero being so loud... so I'd prefer a Crossfire X1600PRO ICEQ Turbo instead at the moment. Or even a HD2400PRO!

EDIT: My X1950PRO has the monitoring chip, the LM63 installed ... is fan speed control supported by ATI Tool by this chip? I think not as i dont see any RPM change nor temp difference if i ramp the fan speeds up.

[imperialreign]

EDIT: My X1950PRO has the monitoring chip, the LM63 installed ... is fan speed control supported by ATI Tool by this chip? I think not as i dont see any RPM change nor temp difference if i ramp the fan speeds up.

i wish my 1950 did, but it doesn't, adn I can't even find the location on my PCB where it should be installed :mad: A little cheap, IMO, on ATI's part - especially for a $250 card.

lmfao! When you install any cooling system on a card like the X1300s imperialreign, shine a bright light around the card, and look at the core, perpendicular to the PCB and chip, then see if any light is shining between the cooler and GPU Die.

Oh, no doubt! On top of that, the TIM that was used on my 1300 was this really nasty, pinkish crap that I had to scrape off the HS with a razor blade before I could lap it down, and talk about a cooler that wasn't flat worth a crap!

I had it installed for a short amount of time a month or so ago - and I was able to take the GPU and MEM up a whole lot further than I initially thought I would . . . I was impressed, to say the least. Anyhow, i just didn't know if there was some aspects of the hardware that was disabled on the card, but flashing to a differen BIOS would allow access to.

But, it's kinda sad, my X700 can clock higher than my 1300, and performs a ton better, too - plus, it has full hardware monitoring, fan control, mem timings and mem voltage all accessible. Damn fine card, IMO.

[tkpenalty]

Jesus... I cant even remove the AcceleroX2 from the card... What the hell? The memory chips...provide as much retention as the screws themselves!!!

[Wile E]

Jesus... I cant even remove the AcceleroX2 from the card... What the hell? The memory chips...provide as much retention as the screws themselves!!!

I had the same problem on my X1800XT. I just left it on. lol. I was afraid I was gonna pry out a chip.

[tkpenalty]

I had the same problem on my X1800XT. I just left it on. lol. I was afraid I was gonna pry out a chip.

I know the solution. You unscrew it and leave the PCB face up for like a few days. Make sure its cold. Several days later, the memory cooling pads should be decompressed and NOT stick to the card anymore. THats what i think. However I'm afraid Powercolor decided to use the stick on pads instead of the compression pads!

[Wile E]

I know the solution. You unscrew it and leave the PCB face up for like a few days. Make sure its cold. Several days later, the memory cooling pads should be decompressed and NOT stick to the card anymore. THats what i think. However I'm afraid Powercolor decided to use the stick on pads instead of the compression pads!It definitely uses the stick on pads. They're a PITA. Could probably use some solvent, like non-residue electrical contact cleaner (make sure it's safe for plastic). That would probably get them unstuck, but you would likely have to replace them.

[tkpenalty]

Hmm... possibly give it an alcohol bath?

[Wile E]

Hmm... possibly give it an alcohol bath?That would probably work as well. Just need to weaken the glue.

[tkpenalty]

That would probably work as well. Just need to weaken the glue.

Damn anyway, it really sucks that i have to do this just to get the plastic shield of the accelero off! Geez, I need to check the bearing of the fan and this is stopping me from doing ANYTHING T_T.

[erocker]

3870 is looking GOOD!!! Some real benchmarks!!!!
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=202510

[imperialreign]

Damn anyway, it really sucks that i have to do this just to get the plastic shield of the accelero off! Geez, I need to check the bearing of the fan and this is stopping me from doing ANYTHING T_T.

for thos esticky pads, you could always try to soak them with alcohol and then gently slide a credit card through them.

The only stuff I can think of that will dissolve adhesives are typically really bad for PCBs - standard lighter fluid might work, but not sure how it would affect a PCB, either.

[tkpenalty]

for thos esticky pads, you could always try to soak them with alcohol and then gently slide a credit card through them.

The only stuff I can think of that will dissolve adhesives are typically really bad for PCBs - standard lighter fluid might work, but not sure how it would affect a PCB, either.

Yeah... You'd have to be extremely precise with that lighter fluid. There are so many productst that would dissolve the adhesives, but... I think they'd also corrode the PCB at the same time. Bah, ill just leave it at the moment. Almost used the whole bottle of alcohol.

[Widjaja]

It's quite funny to watch.
And yes TK I commend you on the info you place right at the start.:rockout:
This IS how every clubhouse should be.
Accumulate the info from everyone to one place.
A knowledge involved clubhouse.
Not one which is made up to just be in which a certain 'hat' wearing user has been making allover the place.:p
Possibly just to see his clubhouses gain members with disregard to actual knowledge and to be able to get enough posts to earn a custom user title?:)
He does have alot of thankyous though.
Wonder where thay came from?
I have to admit though he is dedicated in his efforts whatever they maybe. . . .

I have to agree with AthlonX2 about being too many clubhouses which can be put into already well established Clubhouses.

I hope this doesn't become the "HD2K Abandoned Clubhouse".

Have a VB for you efforts :toast: YUCK!

[panchoman]

i wear hats? lmao. hey how come im not on the members list? i though my x1950pro applied here a long long time. man i haven't been over here in a long time. my thanks come from all over the place, though quite a few come from my psu guide. custom title? that requires 5k posts, posts in the club forum dont count towards your post count :slap:

are you guys suppossed to be making fun of me?

[erocker]

Why don't you guys take this over to the kids club? HD3870 beats out the 8800GT if anyone bothered to look at the link above.

[panchoman]

an excellent idea erocker, i'll be at the teen club if anyone wants to talk face to face with me.

[tkpenalty]

i wear hats? lmao. hey how come im not on the members list? i though my x1950pro applied here a long long time. man i haven't been over here in a long time. my thanks come from all over the place, though quite a few come from my psu guide. custom title? that requires 5k posts, posts in the club forum dont count towards your post count :slap:

are you guys suppossed to be making fun of me?

Err... I thought u were on the list O.o Imma have a check on the first page list... (too much info). I may make another thread for the member list lmao.

[panchoman]

lol, i realized that i might run into that kind of trouble at the amd club, and so i made 2 reserved posts after the main on, gives me room to expand :), though rather then quoting, which takes up a lot of room, you can write it out, would make the first post shorter and easier to go through.

[SSXeon]

Looks like this is the pricing:

$150 Radeon HD3850 256MB (670/1656Mhz)
$180 Radeon HD3850 512MB (670/1656Mhz)
$200? Radeon HD3870 512MB (775/2250Mhz)
$230? Radeon HD3870 OC 512MB (825/2400Mhz?)

Ill get 2 of whatevers the fastest, and jack the volts and core/mem up. Ill also post benchies after i get them. :D K off to play some crysis MP. :rockout:

[tkpenalty]

lol, i realized that i might run into that kind of trouble at the amd club, and so i made 2 reserved posts after the main on, gives me room to expand :), though rather then quoting, which takes up a lot of room, you can write it out, would make the first post shorter and easier to go through.

Not really, Ctrl + C magic :p. Its easy for me to browse once its on the forum, but is somewhat daunting when I edit it in word. DONT COPY ME :mad: In addition, AMD/ATI Clubhouses or groups have gone down really quickly after massive arguments broke out... so good luck. You start small, not that huge. See this was a X1950PRO Clubhouse in the beginning, only for X1950PRO members, then it became a X1950GT/XT/PRO Clubhouse, Then X1950~HD2k, then X1k~HD2k.

Looks like this is the pricing:

$150 Radeon HD3850 256MB (670/1656Mhz)
$180 Radeon HD3850 512MB (670/1656Mhz)
$200? Radeon HD3870 512MB (775/2250Mhz)
$230? Radeon HD3870 OC 512MB (825/2400Mhz?)

Ill get 2 of whatevers the fastest, and jack the volts and core/mem up. Ill also post benchies after i get them. K off to play some crysis MP.

The HD3850 Shouldn't cost THAT much... same with the HD3870. HD3870 would cost $150. I'm avoiding Sapphire/Powercolor/ASUS, etcetra, they are all using the VRM solution which requires Several heatsinks...

Gigabyte's model looks really good imho.. With an aftermarket heatsink already bolted on, and being VRM free, Me want!

[tkpenalty]

UPDATE: Please correct me if I'm wrong in this section, and suggestions please.

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L3. Best Air coolers for HD2400/HD2600 Series + Installation and Warning notes.
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Please note, this section is to refer to coolers that will work with the HD2k Series, EXCLUDING the 2900s. Basically these coolers will work with the HD2400 and HD2600.

First off we must note the heat output of the cards. The HD2400 Series generally tends to have a large and passive heatsink. The fact that the HD2400 Series is not intended for any gaming at all, but for a media centre justifies the lack of the need for any aftermarket solution to be installed. Due to the reasons that:

-Aftermarket cooling will be larger than the stock solution
-The stock cooling solution is more than capable of cooling the graphics card, due to the extremely low heat output of the core.

These are the main two reasons. The only consumers who purchase a HD2400 will probably do no gaming at all. Installing aftermarket solutions moreover presents a installation risk, due to the extremely small die size. It’s a waste of money to buy an aftermarket solution for the HD2400 as the passive solution keeps the temperatures around 35*C~45*C, idle and load, which means that aftermarket cooling is a waste.

Moreover, overclocking a card will not generate much more heat, thus it is safe to say that the HD2400 is excluded from this article.

The HD2600PRO/XT however, is a different story. Generally their stock coolers are good, yet, may NOT be quiet. Overclocking these cards as well as voltmodding will somewhat overwhelm most stock solutions.

Now for the coolers that are recommended for the HD2600/HD2400s:

VF700ALCU/CU
As I stated previously, this cooler should not be underestimated. It is inexpensive as well as being a quiet cooler, the HD2600 has a lower heat output in contrast to the X1950s (in the previous article). Overall recommended, I would purchase the ALCU version to cut down on weight however. Expect temperatures ranging from 35*C~45*C Idle, 45*C~50*C Load, at MOST. Be careful to check if the cooler is sitting flat on the chip however, temperatures much worse than this (60*C) is telling you that the cooler is not sitting flush and half of it may be having no contact, this is a substantial issue with the VF700s installed on GPUs with small dies and no shim.

VF900CU
Same as above, however a step up in price, the VF900CU should yield even better results. 30*C Idle ~ 45*C Load.

Other coolers
Generally… HD2600/HD2400s have an extremely low heat output, thus, any other coolers which are stated to be compatible can be considered. However, these two coolers are recommended for their wide availability, especially the VF700, with its low price and good performance.

[SSXeon]

The HD3850 Shouldn't cost THAT much... same with the HD3870. HD3870 would cost $150. I'm avoiding Sapphire/Powercolor/ASUS, etcetra, they are all using the VRM solution which requires Several heatsinks...

Gigabyte's model looks really good imho.. With an aftermarket heatsink already bolted on, and being VRM free, Me want!

That much?! $150 for a HD3850 with 256MB of ram is alot?!?! As of now HD3870 (775/2250Mhz) will cost $200MSRP. Oced versions should follow by HIS and sapphire, hopefully also MSI to $230ish. Gigabyte better oc their cards with their amazing parts they use for their motherboards, as they will use with this:

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/5041/gigabytegvrx295p512vu1.jpg

[panchoman]

cool gigabyte, thats the 3870 right?

[SSXeon]

cool gigabyte, thats the 3870 right?

from whats under the core its a 3850, or a "RX295P" aka 2950Pro aka HD3850. :D Would be nice to see some gigabyte card but 3870 and a VF900 Heatsink. ;)

[panchoman]

my only real problem with is that theres no memory or v reg hsf's(though theres 3 phase so i guess thats why).. wheres the memory hsfs?!?!

[imperialreign]

If the most recent X1ks revisions are any indicator as to how the cards will tier out - I'd stay away from ATI, VisionTek, Diamond and the other mid-ranges if you're looking for anything that OCs decent - if hardware monitoring and fan speed control is a big issue for you, shoot for the XT models.

[tkpenalty]

Actually, having a look, the only reason why the reference design needed heatsinks on the "Vregs" was because it was a two phase setup. The heatsinks were to be installed on the MOFSET. However due to the three phase on the gigabyte, it means less heat is generated due to less power current being converted; thus removing any need for heatsinks. Moreover it increases stability when overclocking as voltages remain stable.

[tkpenalty]

Athlon X2, request to join, processed.

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Just had a check on the GPUs that our clubhouse had out of curiosity. Results are as follows:

X1950GT/PRO (RV570) = 14
X1950XT/XTX (R580+) = 8
HD2900XT/PRO (R600) = 3
HD2600XT/PRO (RV670)= 1

Yeah... lol. Err anyway, I need more information for the clubhouse for current users, including your setup, and possibly the history you have had with the GPU as well as the information about the brand. From what we can see the X1950PRO/GTs are extremely popular, whilst the X1950XT/XTXs are moderately. However since the HD series has had less than a year to catch on, it gives those results.

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[SSXeon]

my only real problem with is that theres no memory or v reg hsf's(though theres 3 phase so i guess thats why).. wheres the memory hsfs?!?!

3 phase is power, the amount of power that can handle voltage, the HD3879 uses a 2 and same with 88GT. Its great gigabyte used their own compacitors to make a more stable overclocking board, ala their Intel motherboards. ;)

[tkpenalty]

3 phase is power, the amount of power that can handle voltage, the HD3879 uses a 2 and same with 88GT. Its great gigabyte used their own compacitors to make a more stable overclocking board, ala their Intel motherboards. ;)

Nope, three phase is just another way to say three rails. Each phase is a power supply's rail, as in the components. If you have two sets of components (two phase), there will be more amperage through each phase, thus more heat, if you have three sets of the components (three phase), you will have less heat, and the components will work less. Therefore its optimal for overclockers who overvolt their cards, as the power delivery will be able to supply more wattage to the core/memory. Thats what each phase is, a mini PSU.

On the topic of Rails, multi rails are designed to reduce the load on components. Not a marketing trick >_>.

my only real problem with is that theres no memory or v reg hsf's(though theres 3 phase so i guess thats why).. wheres the memory hsfs?!?!

LOL... There is so much I could correct XD. First off, HSF means "Heat sink fan" :p, secondly, There are no digital vregs like the X1950PROs, the things that are mistaken for vregs are MOFSETs. In a standard voltage regulation setup, it goes like this, MOFSET + Choke + Capacitor, the only part that can be heatsinked and generates the most heat are the MOFEST. The memory doesn't need cooling, those days are over! Unless of course you are planning on chucking a world record, or if the GPU uses GDDR2. But memory IC cooling is fairly redundant, those mem sink these days are more useful for cooling mofsets or Digital vrms. Yeah, just my 2 cents.

Guys if you havent looked at my PC, please do. I'd want the current opinion on systems such as my one.

[panchoman]

so the core is the only thing thats left to be cooled, and it keeps shrinking, and so eventually hopefully we'll be looking at very powerful cards that hardly require cooling... sweetness.. so then i supposs there wont be much heat issues when running quad 3870's?

[imperialreign]

I'd like to see ATI do something like what nVidia did with some of their recent cards, and use a single slot cooler design, instead of needing dual slots. I'm all for space efficiency.

[panchoman]

aren't the new 3800 series avaliable both in dual slot & single slot?

[erocker]

There will be a 1gb 3870 btw...

[panchoman]

whoa very sweet, would be good for playing on projectors and all :)

[erocker]

Here are some pics and bench's you!:D

http://img.techpowerup.org/071110/3870.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/071110/38703dmrk.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/071110/38503dmrk.jpg

[SSXeon]

Here are some pics and bench's you!:D

http://img.techpowerup.org/071110/3870.jpg

Hmm that cooler doesnt look as efficent as the 2900XT or X1950XTX. :rolleyes: Might have to go with a VF900 on em.

[tkpenalty]

Hmm that cooler doesnt look as efficent as the 2900XT or X1950XTX. :rolleyes: Might have to go with a VF900 on em.

Its a cool running card, so i wouldnt be surprised if that cooler is just a copper fin block without any heatpipes which is designed badly.
The 3D Performance of the card... is as fast as an overclocked 8800GT. This shall be interesting to see if the card will do the same in actual gaming. One thing to note, I remember coolaler said that the card was fairly toasty, and that the stock cooler was just rubbish.

[panchoman]

wonder if the 38xx series will be heavily dependent on the cpu? a lot cpu's became bottlenecks for the 2900xt's

[tkpenalty]

wonder if the 38xx series will be heavily dependent on the cpu? a lot cpu's became bottlenecks for the 2900xt's

Doubt it, TRT07 had to clock his Q6600 + 8800GT to hell to get a similar speed. A yorky is more efficient, but by not much so yeah, and consider that the yorkfield is running at 3Ghz. I would love for them to use actual game benchmarks instead of this to test their cards. 3DMarks doesnt give a proper score these days. Its turned from a benchmark to somewhat a game now.

EDIT: TRT's CPU scored 2000 more points.

[SSXeon]

If the card is slightly slower @ 825 then a 88GT in crysis the cards will sell well. I really wana see people hitting over 900Mhz, you might need to bump up the voltage to get higher.

[panchoman]

well seeing that they are 55nm, they should produce less heat, which will let them eat more voltage & get clocked higher.

[tkpenalty]

If the card is slightly slower @ 825 then a 88GT in crysis the cards will sell well. I really wana see people hitting over 900Mhz, you might need to bump up the voltage to get higher.

I'm expecting the gigabyte cards to be popular. No need to cool the mofsets... and three phase means overvolting wont put much strain on the cards. I was going to get a gigabyte X1950PRO, but... out of stock-ness sucks.

[panchoman]

are gigabyte x1950pro's 3 phase? i need a better x1950pro lol

[imperialreign]

Doubt it, TRT07 had to clock his Q6600 + 8800GT to hell to get a similar speed. A yorky is more efficient, but by not much so yeah, and consider that the yorkfield is running at 3Ghz. I would love for them to use actual game benchmarks instead of this to test their cards. 3DMarks doesnt give a proper score these days. Its turned from a benchmark to somewhat a game now.

agreed - and thankfully, a lot of the game devs have been including ways to benchmark using the game itself, which really gives you a better idea as to how a specific game runs on a system. For example, the Crysis demo had a CPU and a GPU burried in the directories, and no matter what changes I made to the dirver tweaks through ATT, I still got a similar score. A lot of games force driver changes once the game engine loads up, which completely changes what kind of performance you'll see as compared to what you expect.

Besides, the Crysis benchmarks showed results that were on-par with what I was actually seeing in-game.

[tkpenalty]

are gigabyte x1950pro's 3 phase? i need a better x1950pro lol

Nup. Sapphires ones are fine. Sapphire make good cards, high quality stuff, but the biggest letdown is that they dont give jack about how cool the card runs, as well as how loud it runs. Like the X1950PRO has digital two phase power, and you will need the VRM heatsink installed if you want to change the cooling solution. VF900 or acceleroX2 are the two best solutions for the X1950PRO.

No point in getting a better X1950PRO. These cards dont like to overclock anyway, so its not very useful... unless you want to crossfire. Even if its not 3 phase, the Gigabyte's X1950PRO is good anyway.

[panchoman]

lol, i meant new x1950pro as in like exchange it lol.

yeah you've pinpointed sapphire, my cooling sucks, i cant really oc this card cause of the heat, and i've got rev 1 which runs dumb hot and all you know.

[tkpenalty]

lol, i meant new x1950pro as in like exchange it lol.

yeah you've pinpointed sapphire, my cooling sucks, i cant really oc this card cause of the heat, and i've got rev 1 which runs dumb hot and all you know.

Replace the cooler o.o Even something like a VF700ALCU which is dirt cheap as hell would blow the stock cooler away. I'd recommend purchasing the AcceleroX2 though, since its a all in one solution, with the VRM plate as well as everything else cooled.

(What do you think about my new sig)

[panchoman]

i've got about 80 bucks to spend on my comp, and its from my compensation check for my hdd so i gotta find a good hdd as well as a controller panel w/ audio, as well as some new fans and stuff..

speaking of avs, are you a photoshoper? cause im just finishing up a prototype sig of a new StackerZ sig system that im working on, and so if you want to get a head start with deveolping the sigs, lemme know and i can give the specs. i do need a StackerZ MicroZ for this club in my sig..

[tkpenalty]

i've got about 80 bucks to spend on my comp, and its from my compensation check for my hdd so i gotta find a good hdd as well as a controller panel w/ audio, as well as some new fans and stuff..

speaking of avs, are you a photoshoper? cause im just finishing up a prototype sig of a new StackerZ sig system that im working on, and so if you want to get a head start with deveolping the sigs, lemme know and i can give the specs. i do need a StackerZ MicroZ for this club in my sig..

Can you rephrase that :confused:

[hat]

He's working on these sig pics for clubhouses that are relatively small, so you can put a whole bunch of them togeather to make a normal sized sig, only representing all of the clubs you are in, not just one.
StackerZ are 500x25
StackerZ MicroZ are 500x20

I use 500x20 simply cause it's smaller/faster to load.

[panchoman]

hats got it, hat's got 3 Stackerz stacked in his StakZ, i've got 4 Stackerz, and then 2 MicroZ on the last row for my StakZ

[tkpenalty]

Stacking looks ugly lol...

[Wile E]

Stacking looks ugly lol...Not if it's done right.




You guys need to give the stack-sigs a more bubbled look. So it looks more 3d-ish, instead of completely flat. Like the ones here: http://www.userbars.org/

There's even a tutorial on that site.

[tkpenalty]

Not if it's done right.




You guys need to give the stack-sigs a more bubbled look. So it looks more 3d-ish, instead of completely flat. Like the ones here: http://www.userbars.org/

There's even a tutorial on that site.

Nah I was referring to their stacked ones. If done right, they should have that line shading that my sig has, as well as a somewhat glassy look and a border. The colour schemes are conflicting as well. I could easily make you guys some of these sigs if you need them though. Just give me a pm.

[panchoman]

of course the ones i've done SUCK... its my crappy photoshoping skills that i used for deveolping a photoshop... me and jr are working on the nice stackerz. its the concept that i'm working on for the prototype rather then the artwork.

[tkpenalty]

AMD Seems to be starting to lean towards the value-mid range segment for Graphics cards at the moment. Argh... Stupid LM63 chip is preventing any fan control of my AcceleroX2 from occuring at all. I might as well wire the fan to the motherboard header instead.

[Lopez0101]

Honestly I hope they don't stay there. It would suck to see ATi go the way of mid-to-low range only. I don't want to only have one choice when it comes to the enthusiast class. And if it was just one choice you'd be paying a bit more than if it wasn't the only choice.

[tkpenalty]

HOLY SHIT THAT LOOKS-
http://www.twrococ.com/video/3870/3870front.JPG
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/Genocide737/3870na.jpg

Nice! I like the fact that the memory cooling and the MOFSET cooling is seperate. But what I don't like is the stock cooler itself. It seems very insufficient, Whats up with just a solid copper fin block? I wouldnt have to worry about these issues, as I would purchase a Gigabyte HD3870.

[Wile E]

HOLY SHIT THAT LOOKS-
http://www.twrococ.com/video/3870/3870front.JPG
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/Genocide737/3870na.jpg

Nice! I like the fact that the memory cooling and the MOFSET cooling is seperate. But what I don't like is the stock cooler itself. It seems very insufficient, Whats up with just a solid copper fin block? I wouldnt have to worry about these issues, as I would purchase a Gigabyte HD3870.
No shim around the gpu die. Looks like existing water blocks will fit. Plus the already added bonus of ram and MOSFET sinks. Looks like a winning cooling design to me. I'll hold out a little longer to see more reviews.

[tkpenalty]

No shim around the gpu die. Looks like existing water blocks will fit. Plus the already added bonus of ram and MOSFET sinks. Looks like a winning cooling design to me. I'll hold out a little longer to see more reviews.

Haha yeah, they pulled EVERYTHING, except the core cooling copper block, off properly.

[Widjaja]

That 3870 sure looks good and hopefully it is.
I believe Sapphire, possibly diamondview will most probably use the silver flame job like the 2900XT.

[Wile E]

Man, judging by the early reviews, the 8800GT is ahead. Gonna be a tough choice between 88GT and 3870 now. I've always trusted ATI more, because I've had more good experiences with them, but I don't want to be a fanboy either. I think I did the right thing with my 2900 purchase, as the drivers matured and performance increased to put it where it needed to be, but now that ATI has experience coding for this architecture, I don't believe the 38xx series will see the same growth.

[Darknova]

Man, judging by the early reviews, the 8800GT is ahead. Gonna be a tough choice between 88GT and 3870 now. I've always trusted ATI more, because I've had more good experiences with them, but I don't want to be a fanboy either. I think I did the right thing with my 2900 purchase, as the drivers matured and performance increased to put it where it needed to be, but now that ATI has experience coding for this architecture, I don't believe the 38xx series will see the same growth.

Crysis Min FPS 8800GT - 0.4

Crysis Min FPS 3870 - 9.13

Nope, 3870 does it better, I'd rather have lower but more consistant fps.

[tkpenalty]

Crysis Min FPS 8800GT - 0.4

Crysis Min FPS 3870 - 9.13

Nope, 3870 does it better, I'd rather have lower but more consistant fps.

Same here... if you have random bursts of high FPS, its fairly annoying to play... however, if you have a consistent framerate (example, my X1950PRO in NFS:PRO Street), the gaming performance will be MUCH better. Seriously, high averages doesnt mean a lot, if there is a large range in performance. A few days ago I thought the 8800GT would be the king... but, problems keep rolling in. Gigabyte HD3870 here I come!

[Wile E]

That review is moot, as neither card maintains playable framerates, and the difference between the minimum fps is like 2fps. It doesn't really show much.

I may just say screw it and finally break down and buy a water block for my 2900, and clock the snot out of it. Perhaps even go TEC, and shoot for as close as I can to 1GHz core.

[tkpenalty]

Okay guys, cut it out alright? No more discussion about how the card performs, just discussion on things like the pcb, etcetra. I dont want any arguments to flare up in the club. Wait for the card to come out in a few more days, THEN discuss/hypothesize about its performance, for now, only post links and pics about it.

[mrpobears]

Sorry if this has been asked before, I've gone through many pages, but didn't see this mentioned. While running the CCC tool, to auto detect the best speed, my card keeps crashing, anyone else having this problem? Or do I have a defective card? I bought the Sapphire 1 gig version of the 2900Pro.

[Wile E]

Sorry if this has been asked before, I've gone through many pages, but didn't see this mentioned. While running the CCC tool, to auto detect the best speed, my card keeps crashing, anyone else having this problem? Or do I have a defective card? I bought the Sapphire 1 gig version of the 2900Pro.By crashing, what exactly do you mean? What's the computer doing? Is it doing it at around the same clocks every time?

need a little more info.

And if you could, please go to your UserCP for this site, and fill out your system specs.

[Wile E]

Okay guys, cut it out alright? No more discussion about how the card performs, just discussion on things like the pcb, etcetra. I dont want any arguments to flare up in the club. Wait for the card to come out in a few more days, THEN discuss/hypothesize about its performance, for now, only post links and pics about it.Tk, we are not arguing, we are politely discussing things, and nobody is even close to getting out of line. Lighten up.

[tkpenalty]

Tk, we are not arguing, we are politely discussing things, and nobody is even close to getting out of line. Lighten up.

Yeah sorry... Stupid exam stress and post exam depression

[tkpenalty]

Quad Crossfire, interesting, if it was with low end cards I wouldnt make any fuss over it, but... seeing how these are supposedly, high end cards, I'd love to see how these cards perform! Its definately something, in comparison to two HD2900XTs in crossfire!

[panchoman]

what are the differences between pci regular & pci 2.0??

[DOM]

what are the differences between pci regular & pci 2.0??
lol its pci-e ;)The PCI Express 2.0 specification extends the data rate of PCI Express to 5GT/s (5GHz) in a manner compatible with the existing PCI Express 1.1 specifications that support 2.5GT/s (2.5GHz) signaling.

[imperialreign]

I wonder if by quadfire they're including their plans for one GPU to act as a dedicated PPU? Either way, I'd like to see ATI go tri- or quadfire before nVidia get triSLI to market.

[tkpenalty]

I wonder if by quadfire they're including their plans for one GPU to act as a dedicated PPU? Either way, I'd like to see ATI go tri- or quadfire before nVidia get triSLI to market.

ATI is already planning on Quadfire. Physics... at the moment, is pretty much still a concept.

[panchoman]

hmmm, doesn't the new x-fire let you have different gpus working together? and some do physics other do the main processing, etc.???

[Lopez0101]

One of the things that ATi liked to talk about was that Xfire has worked with different GPU's for a while. I think since it first debuted it worked with different GPU's. It just decreases the effectiveness of the stronger card down to that of the weaker one I think.

[panchoman]

http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/physics/index.html

how ati plans on physics working atm, i heard that the x19xx series are great for physics and stuff

also its called Crossfire X

http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspics/Oct07/11/crossfirex.jpg

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=42200&highlight=crossfire

[SSXeon]

I wonder if by quadfire they're including their plans for one GPU to act as a dedicated PPU? Either way, I'd like to see ATI go tri- or quadfire before nVidia get triSLI to market.

Doubt it yet as no games will even use nvidia or ATi for physics, crysis i believe uses the CPU. Not sure tho.

[erocker]

From one of todays front page posts: "AMD quite pleased with R680"

I am also pleased with my daily 9AM defecation! Very powerful!

Sorry, I don't know why I had to say it, but I did! Didn't want to put it on the front page though... I would love a R680, it would give me something to look forward to at work...

[SSXeon]

From one of todays front page posts: "AMD quite pleased with R680"

I am also pleased with my daily 9AM defecation! Very powerful!

Sorry, I don't know why I had to say it, but I did! Didn't want to put it on the front page though... I would love a R680, it would give me something to look forward to at work...

Hell yeah they are. It might even be 800/2400 as the 3870 should have been. But they wanted to ship 250k, as its looken like they will, followed by 150k before christmas. :D BTW here is kinda what the layout of the R680 is, this is 2x RV630s (2600XTs):

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7836/00651430nu9.jpg

[Lopez0101]

What's the big chip on the bottom? Something to do with keeping work on each GPU even or something even with Cross Fire X?

[tkpenalty]

One of the things that ATi liked to talk about was that Xfire has worked with different GPU's for a while. I think since it first debuted it worked with different GPU's. It just decreases the effectiveness of the stronger card down to that of the weaker one I think.

Um.... incorrect. Crossfire DOESNT work with other cards. Unless you are talking about the crossfire Master card. However, you must realize that these "different" cards were all essentially the same thing, having the same core. However, if you have different cores used for the cards... you cannot crossfire them. This only applies to the older dongled X1900, X1950, X800, X850 series, NOT, any other series, from the X1950 Series, the X1950PRO/GT is excluded as well from this classification, due to the Masterless crossfire.

Hell yeah they are. It might even be 800/2400 as the 3870 should have been. But they wanted to ship 250k, as its looken like they will, followed by 150k before christmas. :D BTW here is kinda what the layout of the R680 is, this is 2x RV630s (2600XTs):

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7836/00651430nu9.jpg

HD2600 Quad... Quad for Quad DVI, its so-so card. That chip is essentially an "inner northbridge", somewhat emulating crossfire, and making the two GPUs work as one.

[SSXeon]

Um.... incorrect. Crossfire DOESNT work with other cards. Unless you are talking about the crossfire Master card. However, you must realize that these "different" cards were all essentially the same thing, having the same core. However, if you have different cores used for the cards... you cannot crossfire them. This only applies to the older dongled X1900, X1950, X800, X850 series, NOT, any other series, from the X1950 Series, the X1950PRO/GT is excluded as well from this classification, due to the Masterless crossfire.

HD2600 Quad... Quad for Quad DVI, its so-so card. That chip is essentially an "inner northbridge", somewhat emulating crossfire, and making the two GPUs work as one.

Crossfire works with different clocked cards too. Funny i knew this before the pics came about, with the jap's (i dont think this is a bad word to use, but then again we live in america where their is no 1st amendment anymore. :banghead:). So i can say something about it now. ;) Older cards had this problem but now ATi has learned and now has 2 12-bit connectors on the tops of all their new cards. ;) 1 more full day to go before alot are impressed what a $220 card can do! :)

[hat]

R680 looks great... :D

[imperialreign]

One of the things that ATi liked to talk about was that Xfire has worked with different GPU's for a while. I think since it first debuted it worked with different GPU's. It just decreases the effectiveness of the stronger card down to that of the weaker one I think.

tk's right on his response - the cards *currently* have to be of the same series. The only difference with the newer (1800 ?) 1900 series is that they don't require a master/slave anymore.

But, rumor has it that ATI are currently working on implementing differing series cross fire, which whould allow you to xfire a 1950 with a 1600, or a 2900 with a 1300 - they didn't mention if this will be graphic crossfire or 1+1 GPU/PPU. Downside is that you'll need a chipset that supports this type of xfire, unless they can write drivers for other chipsets (which I doubt they'll do).

[tkpenalty]

tk's right on his response - the cards *currently* have to be of the same series. The only difference with the newer (1800 ?) 1900 series is that they don't require a master/slave anymore.

But, rumor has it that ATI are currently working on implementing differing series cross fire, which whould allow you to xfire a 1950 with a 1600, or a 2900 with a 1300 - they didn't mention if this will be graphic crossfire or 1+1 GPU/PPU. Downside is that you'll need a chipset that supports this type of xfire, unless they can write drivers for other chipsets (which I doubt they'll do).

How badly do I wish that rumor was true >=D

[Wile E]

3870 and 3850 will Crossfire, no problems.

[imperialreign]

How badly do I wish that rumor was true >=D


same here - and, IMO, if ATI pulled it off - it'd defi give them an edge over nVidia insofaras the budget gamers with older cards still laying around are concerned.

[tkpenalty]

3870 and 3850 will Crossfire, no problems.

Obviously thanks to the same Core.

[imperialreign]

lol, tk! I noticed in your sig, when did you decide to include the HD3ks in this thread?

[AthlonX2]

has anyone seen anything on vmods for the hd2600xt's? ive been googling for awhile and havent seen anything,surely i must have missed it :D

[Wile E]

has anyone seen anything on vmods for the hd2600xt's? ive been googling for awhile and havent seen anything,surely i must have missed it :D
Might want to shoot pt a pm. He had one for a while. Maybe he knows?

[tkpenalty]

lol, tk! I noticed in your sig, when did you decide to include the HD3ks in this thread?

As soon as their existance was proved to be true?

[imperialreign]

lol - anyhow, I was thinking if you're still looking to get more users into the clubhouse, why not extend coverage to the X~00 series? The only ones still really in use are the 700 and 800 line, and they don't differ all too much from the 1ks.


Anyhow - I wanted to ask on this - a buddy of mine is getting a 2900 card, and he's willing to give up his VisionTek X1950PRO XGE 256MB GDDR3 for $85. It's a newer revision card that doesn't require the slave/master setup for xFire (as far as I know). I can't really pass up a deal like that, the card is only about 6mo. old.

My question - I'm farily certain that card will xFire with my ATI X1950 PRO 256MB GDDR3 without a problem.

Or am I wrong in my assumption and it wouldn't work? $85 cash for a second 1950 is a steal, far as I'm concerned.

[panchoman]

crossfire X (which i think the 790fx's can do) allows "crossfire hybrid" where you can crossfire different ati gpus together,

[tkpenalty]

lol - anyhow, I was thinking if you're still looking to get more users into the clubhouse, why not extend coverage to the X~00 series? The only ones still really in use are the 700 and 800 line, and they don't differ all too much from the 1ks.


Anyhow - I wanted to ask on this - a buddy of mine is getting a 2900 card, and he's willing to give up his VisionTek X1950PRO XGE 256MB GDDR3 for $85. It's a newer revision card that doesn't require the slave/master setup for xFire (as far as I know). I can't really pass up a deal like that, the card is only about 6mo. old.

My question - I'm farily certain that card will xFire with my ATI X1950 PRO 256MB GDDR3 without a problem.

Or am I wrong in my assumption and it wouldn't work? $85 cash for a second 1950 is a steal, far as I'm concerned.

Yep, the X1950PRO will work 100%. Just be sure to get another cooler as Xpertvision use a dreadful cooler.

[Wile E]

Yep, the X1950PRO will work 100%. Just be sure to get another cooler as Xpertvision use a dreadful cooler.
No, it's not guaranteed to work 100%, just ask nFlesher. You MUST make sure one of the cards has the compositing chip on it. Some do not. Neither of nFlesher's 1950Pros had them, and Crossfire wouldn't work properly, it just gave a garbled screen in 3D apps.

[tkpenalty]

No, it's not guaranteed to work 100%, just ask nFlesher. You MUST make sure one of the cards has the compositing chip on it. Some do not. Neither of nFlesher's 1950Pros had them, and Crossfire wouldn't work properly, it just gave a garbled screen in 3D apps.

My apologies :banghead:

[Wile E]

My apologies :banghead:
No need to apologize. lol.

Might want to mention that in the first post somewhere tho. I think it was mentioned in a thread in here somewhere, so I'll try to find pics while I'm at it.

[Wile E]

Actually, TK, you posted in the thread I was referring to, claiming the info was false. They said it had to do with the Rage Theater chip.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=517180&postcount=113

Now, nFlesher was at my house when he first got the 2nd 1950Pro, neither of them had the chip, and Crossfire did not work on those cards. Even went so far as to flash different BIOSes in an attempt to get it to work. And a CPU bottleneck was not nFlesher's problem, as he had his Quad @ 3GHz. BIOS updates on his board, different drivers, everything. Those cards would not Crossfire at all.

If it's not posted as fact, it should at least be mentioned as a possibility.

[mrpobears]

Originally Posted by mrpobears View Post
Sorry if this has been asked before, I've gone through many pages, but didn't see this mentioned. While running the CCC tool, to auto detect the best speed, my card keeps crashing, anyone else having this problem? Or do I have a defective card? I bought the Sapphire 1 gig version of the 2900Pro.
By crashing, what exactly do you mean? What's the computer doing? Is it doing it at around the same clocks every time?

need a little more info.

And if you could, please go to your UserCP for this site, and fill out your system specs.

It just freezes on me, everything locks up, mouse, keyboard, etc.

[imperialreign]

so, I should make sure both cards have that chip on them before I alleviate my friend of his card?

But, if the product box says it's Crossfire ready, shouldn't it be? Or would that mean it needs a master/slave setup?

Like I mentioned, both my card and my boy's 1950 are the newer revision cards (his actually looks exactly like mine, the only difference, far as I can tell, is a different sticker on the cooler). Here's a pic I found through google of the VisionTek 1950 PRO XGE (minus the fact the one in the pic is AGP):

http://images.ncix.com/forumimages/D3B8143E-BA2C-C116-A2748F861B5ADC8E.jpg






edit>> Anyhow, I just figured that once my friend gets his 2900, I'll just see if he'll let me borrow the 1950 so I can install it and see if xFire will work. If so, I'll buy it off him, if it doesn't, than he can get rid of it himself (or I might buy it from him and hold onto it - it's a friggin 1950!).

[tkpenalty]

What the hell. How did the club die momentarily? Anyway, the HD3870/50s... Amazing truly, for their price they sure pack a lot of punch. I might in fact get a Powercolor HD3850 Extreme 256MB. Deja Vu anyone? Yes, I have a Powercolor X1950PRO Extreme 256MB, take note of that. I find it funny that the HD3850/70 will be priced around the same price as the X1950PRO/XTs, when they were released here, haha... the good old days.

I need a job though.

[tkpenalty]

*Bump 2#*

[imperialreign]

damn, this thread has been kinda dead . . .

anyhow . . . still waiting on my friend to get his 2900 - so I can check and see if his current 1950PRO will xFire with mine without a hitch. Even still, I may just buy the card off him for that $85 and see what I can't seel it for on ebay.

If xFire does work out, it oughta be a somewhat decent performance gain until I've got enough loot for a 4core.

[Craigleberry]

I have been thinking of getting another X1950 for x-fire Been umin and arin anyway!

[mitsirfishi]

i would just get a 2900gt as they are cheap as chips but spend a extra 25-30 pounds probilly
$50-60 then id get a 3850pro

[HookeyStreet]

Do I qualify for membership :D

[Widjaja]

I have been thinking of getting another X1950 for x-fire Been umin and arin anyway!

If the price is right go for it.
I'm sure they're pretty cheap over there by now.

Unlike wayyyyy over here.:mad:

[imperialreign]

X1950 prices in the US are falling like MIR rubble right now . . .

But, the only reason I'm going this route (if it works) is cause my boy will give his card up for $85 - I might even be able to talk him to $70. Either way, my current card, I only paied $150 for after rebates and all, even if I pay my friend $85 - that's still a fairly cheap total for a xFire setup. :toast:

[tkpenalty]

X1950 prices in the US are falling like MIR rubble right now . . .

But, the only reason I'm going this route (if it works) is cause my boy will give his card up for $85 - I might even be able to talk him to $70. Either way, my current card, I only paied $150 for after rebates and all, even if I pay my friend $85 - that's still a fairly cheap total for a xFire setup. :toast:

Crossfire eh? It would give a substantial boost in performance. In this case, crossfire would be more beneficial than a new card itself, so go for it.

Anyway, finally purchased another set of 92mm intakes, and replaced my PSU fan with a ZM-F3, not a low RPM silent fan (600RPM :twitch:)! Stupid coolermaster made the PSU run according to the load and not the temperature. Well the zalman fixed it up, with better clearance, and silicone grommets, meaning two of the things

-The fan is deeper in the PSU by 1mm, which means there will be better airflow overall
-The fan doesnt hit the fan grille like my EZ Cool replacement did.

Anyway, can someone explain to me why on earth does ATI Overdrive not work with the 7.10 Driver releases?

[tkpenalty]

Do I qualify for membership :D

Thats obvious :p Yes.

Heh... I like your system. Oh yeah, about what Zek posted in your Case mod thread, he said it would sound like a leaf blower right? Well, if you got the first batch of HD2900XTs, they would have, with the dual heatpipes! Meaning very poor cooling which would have caused your HD2900XTs to sound like two vacuum cleaners. Its fortunate that you have HD2900XTs with three heatpipes... too bad you didnt wait for the HD3870s however.

[Craigleberry]

If the price is right go for it.
I'm sure they're pretty cheap over there by now.

Unlike wayyyyy over here.:mad:

Long time no see Widjaja I have started to O/C My system So far only got 2.77 GHz on stock cooling and she is running a little warm so I am waiting for a Zalman cooler and see what I will get out of it then.:rockout:

[Widjaja]

Long time no see Widjaja I have started to O/C My system So far only got 2.77 GHz on stock cooling and she is running a little warm so I am waiting for a Zalman cooler and see what I will get out of it then.:rockout:

Hey howsit.
My bro OC'd his E6600 to 2.9Ghz stable 24/7 on stock.
He doesn't even check his max load temps.
He shrugged his shoulders and said "If it freezes it's time to drop the OC a bit".:rolleyes:
His ASUS i975 P5 something. . .motherboard just shat itself though.
The NB H/S came loose and fried the NB chip and took out a cap in the process.:laugh:

I've been looking at getting a Scythe Infinity CPU cooler for a while now.

Saw your pure filth thread, it made me clean my PC.
Stole my girlfriends brand new unused blusher and used an air compressor.
She uses it still, but thats because she doesn't know I have cleaned out the dust in my PC with it.;)

[imperialreign]

Saw your pure filth thread, it made me clean my PC.
Stole my girlfriends brand new unused blusher and used an air compressor.
She uses it still, but thats because she doesn't know I have cleaned out the dust in my PC with it.

:roll:

That's funny man! What they don't know won't ever hurt 'em!

cb: The Zalman performs well, IMO. It manages to keep my OC P4 about 32C at idle, and about 45C under max load when I'm clocked in over 4GHz. It's a little bulky and somewhat heavy . . . I would've gotten the 9700 cooler, but my case wouldn't fit it. If you do go with the Zalman, just make sure to check your clearances before ordering something up :toast:

[Widjaja]

:roll:
That's funny man! What they don't know won't ever hurt 'em!


Everytime I look at her face with makeup on I think of my dust free PC.:p
Apparently I have this cheeky smile now when I look at her, like I'm hiding something . . . .:rolleyes:

I just say "Maybe. . . .or maybe you just make me smile."
Either way it is true.:D

She knows I'm sneeky anyway.

I was nice enough to clean most the dust out of the blusher.
Didn't want her face to look a shade of brown/grey.

[imperialreign]

:laugh:

That's funny!

It's only a matter of time, though, before she catches on to it - trust me! And it'll come up when you least expect it, and you're already losing an argument.

[Widjaja]

It's only a matter of time, though, before she catches on to it.

Oh yeah.
Sometimes when I look at her I smile then I let out a little laugh now.
I'm going to run out of excuses soon.
She seems to like me like this though because I'm I'm always smiling around her.:D

Excuse I have used:-
I was thinking of something funny. X3
Do you remember. . . X5
I saw this thing on T.V. X1
I'll tell you a joke. X3

When or if I own up I'm sure she'll be forgiving once she's beaten me up then done something similar back to me or cook me something and put something nasty in it.

[tkpenalty]

Long time no see Widjaja I have started to O/C My system So far only got 2.77 GHz on stock cooling and she is running a little warm so I am waiting for a Zalman cooler and see what I will get out of it then.:rockout:

Craig... I wouldnt go with the zalman- we live in Australia, where its extremely humid + warm. So... you wont be getting 4Ghz easily, remember that its winter over there, and that its MUCH colder over up north in the US...

http://www.pccasegear.com/prod5523.htm

HOLY SHIT IFX-14 FOR $69!!! <Get this instead.

[Oliver]

Hi all,

Long time no see but i've been running my 2900xt happily at 850/1050 since some time and all is smooth.........

Any ways just downloaded 7.11 the other day and......well........they are good in 3d (05~06) in between 10 and 50 3d point better but they stink with ozone 3d.......dark donut!!!!

anybody had that behavior?????.........nothin' serious; just wondering:rolleyes:

[tkpenalty]

Hi all,

Long time no see but i've been running my 2900xt happily at 850/1050 since some time and all is smooth.........

Any ways just downloaded 7.11 the other day and......well........they are good in 3d (05~06) in between 10 and 50 3d point better but they stink with ozone 3d.......dark donut!!!!

anybody had that behavior?????.........nothin' serious; just wondering:rolleyes:

Hey welcome back! :D 7.11 has been a nightmare for me, it wont even install, even manually!

[Craigleberry]

Craig... I wouldnt go with the zalman- we live in Australia, where its extremely humid + warm. So... you wont be getting 4Ghz easily, remember that its winter over there, and that its MUCH colder over up north in the US...

http://www.pccasegear.com/prod5523.htm

HOLY SHIT IFX-14 FOR $69!!! <Get this instead.

Hey that is a great price for that too. What fans would you put on it?
Oh and I have 7.11 Cat Fully installed with no issues at all.

[imperialreign]

yeah, haven't had any problems with 7.11 with my 1950, either. Maybe it's just the 2900s :confused:

Honestly, I haven't seen any difference between 7.11 and 7.10 on my setup - performance is the same, graphics appear the same . . . drimer optimizations have the same effects, too.

[Oliver]

Ok.........it's a 2900 thing.........but i'm getting better framerates and slightly higher 3d mark scores.........i'll leave it and cross my fingers that the issue will be corrected on 7.12.

Another thing:

ATI tool seems to systematically crash (on second start the install is ok as is the initial run) with hd2900xt 512 by sapphire even though i've tested it with all the cat versions on driver only (NO ccc crap)

AmdGpu tool runs fine............:):)

[Wile E]

Hey Oliver, try running your ram at 999MHz. The timings loosen above 999, and 1050 may not be enough to make up for it. Anyway, give it a shot, may be worth a few points.

[Oliver]

Hey Oliver, try running your ram at 999MHz. The timings loosen above 999, and 1050 may not be enough to make up for it. Anyway, give it a shot, may be worth a few points.

Yeah i'll try that.........;)

[tkpenalty]

lol, tried fiddling with my card, so far I have clockspeeds of 621/796... um help? Are those good clockspeeds eheheh... never tried overclocking my X1950PRO. Err using ATT by the way, does voltage control even work?

[Oliver]

With my clocks at 850/999 I lose aprox 40points on 3d05 and 06........I guess the lossening is on th points not the mem speed:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Wile E]

With my clocks at 850/999 I lose aprox 40points on 3d05 and 06........I guess the lossening is on th points not the mem speed:laugh::laugh::laugh:lol. I never got mine to 1050. I know I score more at 999 compared to 1025(ish), so 1050 must overcome the loosened timings.

[Oliver]

lol. I never got mine to 1050. I know I score more at 999 compared to 1025(ish), so 1050 must overcome the loosened timings.

Must sorta work like the the chipset strap on a P5B ...........

[sneekypeet]

Any chance TK that there will be a HD3K addition to this?

[imperialreign]

lol, tried fiddling with my card, so far I have clockspeeds of 621/796... um help? Are those good clockspeeds eheheh... never tried overclocking my X1950PRO. Err using ATT by the way, does voltage control even work?

never got my card higher than 614/756. I still haven't gotten around to doing a vmod, or even seeing the info I found for my PCB style would work.

Don't really think there's much else you could do, man . . .

[tkpenalty]

wheew... 100k+ Views! Eh at the moment, mitsifishi by the way guys, is trying installing the ICEQIII cooler from his X1950PRO onto his newly purchased HD3870! According to him, the X1950PRO and HD3870 (reference) BOTH have the same screw positions, VRMs, RAM modules,

http://img.techpowerup.org/071129/DSC00074646.jpg

As you can see... the dimensions are virtually the same, with both cards, The HD3870's cooler looks bigger, but... its just extra plastic for looks.

[imperialreign]

that's interesting right there - could prove extrmelly useful if it goes together without too much of a hitch! :toast:

[Darknova]

I want a 3870 sooo badly. Hopefully I'll be ordering one tomorrow :D

[mitsirfishi]

thanks tk for posting my cards up ;)

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1677/03850by1300dz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

03 run 850/1300

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6062/05850by1300eo1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

05 run 850/1300

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1589/06850by1300ux7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

06 run 850/1300

still messing around with the cooling ;) ill keep you posted on the sapphire transformation to HIS cooling :D

and keeping the cpu safe to make sure it doesnt die out on me like on some random runs

[tkpenalty]

Wow... those results are crazy O_o.

To HIS: Bolt the ICEQ III on your HD3870's already!

Anyway, I updated the front page, now has a driver recommendation, please if you have ANY problem, even minor about it inform me. Here it is, section Z4.


Z4 Recommended Driver Sets

This is a list of recommended drivers for each series, especially AGP. Note that these recommendations are based off observations from previous experiences, and clubhouse f