Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

[candle_86]

Huh, what happened to the 8800?

ok 8800GS died, 1900XTX died playing COD4. Gonna order an evga 8600GT and step up later on is the plan now.

[eidairaman1]

wow it seems you are in the badluck spot as i was with the 1950 Pro, i had a HIS which i accidently shorted (PLL sink fell on it) then the First Sapphire board quit working after 3 days, i RMAd both and got new ones, lucky the Sapphire is Rev 2.

[eidairaman1]

probably be a good idea to upgrade your Powersupply.

[tkpenalty]

probably be a good idea to upgrade your Powersupply.

I would have nothing against his PSU if my X1950PRO runs flawlessly on some 530W Generic PSU... It seems to me most of TPU is inactive...

[VroomBang]

I would have nothing against his PSU if my X1950PRO runs flawlessly on some 530W Generic PSU... It seems to me most of TPU is inactive...

the x1950 pro needs a continuous (as opposed to max.) combined 30Amp across the 12V rails.

edit:
Not sure if his rosewill 500 meets this requirement.

[tkpenalty]

the x1950 pro needs a continuous (as opposed to max.) combined 30Amp across the 12V rails.

edit:
Not sure if his rosewill 500 meets this requirement.

Incorrect. Thats ATi's general rating. 30x12AMPS = 360W. There is no way a normal budget-ish system would draw more than 300W on the 12v Rail. Consider the 5v and 3.3v rails as well.

Rosewill anyway, arent some very cheap and shitty generic brand.

[eidairaman1]

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/66076/

Read that for recommendations.

Apparently the book for the Sapphire and HIS 1950 Pro suggest a 450 watt powersupply, i have a 500 watt Neo HE and it runs fine.

That extreme powersupply calculator suggests my system draws 378 Watts

[Widjaja]

the x1950 pro needs a continuous (as opposed to max.) combined 30Amp across the 12V rails.

Really how many times have we gone over this?
ATi is saying, 30A on a +12v single rail PSU if you have a fully loaded system.

Fully loaded system:-
All ports/sockets on the motherboard used.

My PSU is dual 18a +12v rails and ran fine with my X1950pro.

[VroomBang]

Really how many times have we gone over this?
ATi is saying, 30A on a +12v single rail PSU if you have a fully loaded system.

Fully loaded system:-
All ports/sockets on the motherboard used.

My PSU is dual 18a +12v rails and ran fine with my X1950pro.

I thought my PSU might have been the cause for the x1950 pro overheating after 5 months of not getting enough Amps, but that's according to what I read on Sapphire's forum, so they might just try to blame the psu instead of recognising a fault in their prduct, not sure...

So do you think my psu is good enough for the graphics card:
http://www.jeantech.com/600.htm

[tkpenalty]

I thought my PSU might have been the cause for the x1950 pro overheating after 5 months of not getting enough Amps, but that's according to what I read on Sapphire's forum, so they might just try to blame the psu instead of recognising a fault in their prduct, not sure...

So do you think my psu is good enough for the graphics card:
http://www.jeantech.com/600.htm

No offense to the sapphire forum mods, but they seriously aren't up to the job. Yes you are right, they always think they are right and never blame it on something else. they claim you need a 600W PSU. My X1950PRO runs off a 430W PSU with less than 30A that they recommend. The first revision was pooooor in terms of cooling - they denied that.


And yes, that PSU is way more than sufficient. Why do you even need to ask? With that kind of PSU quality, I wouldnt worry at all. You also have 38A at your disposal...

[VroomBang]

No offense to the sapphire forum mods, but they seriously aren't up to the job. Yes you are right, they always think they are right and never blame it on something else. they claim you need a 600W PSU. My X1950PRO runs off a 430W PSU with less than 30A that they recommend. The first revision was pooooor in terms of cooling - they denied that.

They're good guys nevertheless when you get to chat a bit. I had such a laugh with them lately, they're a good bunch.

[Widjaja]

They're good guys nevertheless when you get to chat a bit. I had such a laugh with them lately, they're a good bunch.

:laugh:

I had a run in with one of the members there.
Was obviously a Sapphire fanboi who believed the manufacturer could never do wrong.

Can't remember his user name though, obviously wasn't worth remembering.

The best advice is here.
Could say I'm a TPU fan but only within reason, not just because. . . .
Of course there's still the odd idiot around here who thinks it's thier way or the highway but they quickly get shot down.
Unlike some forums where the idiot runs the show.

[eidairaman1]

I thought my PSU might have been the cause for the x1950 pro overheating after 5 months of not getting enough Amps, but that's according to what I read on Sapphire's forum, so they might just try to blame the psu instead of recognising a fault in their prduct, not sure...

So do you think my psu is good enough for the graphics card:
http://www.jeantech.com/600.htm

Well i posted a link that has PSU suggestions

If you want to switch to a diff PSU i suggest you keep the other around, cause if the Card still Goofs up or something Request RMA from Sapphire and they shall respond within a day

[thegave]

Hey guys well this is the mystery cap that I found..

The markings on it match the rest of the caps on the vga but not the numbers themselves and it is a different size to the rest of them as well.

Also the plastic base thing matches the other caps.

[eidairaman1]

find the High Res Pics of the 1950 Pro here and do a comparison

[tkpenalty]

Hey guys well this is the mystery cap that I found..

The markings on it match the rest of the caps on the vga but not the numbers themselves and it is a different size to the rest of them as well.

Also the plastic base thing matches the other caps.

Whoa. Thats a big capacitor, i thought it was just a small IC... X1950PRO Right? Its near the 6 pin power connector.

[Widjaja]

@TheGave.
Is you card working properly.

If it is I wouldn't worry about it.

[Craigleberry]

Hey everyone hows it hanging? Havent been in here for a while lol

[Wile E]

Yeah, where the hell have you been? lol

[revin]

Hey everyone hows it hanging? Havent been in here for a while lol

thegaves in deep doo doo!!!:banghead:

But he's the new proud owner of a..........................................3.2EE:t oast::respect::rockout:

[Widjaja]

Hey Craigleberry.

I don't know if thegave is really in Big Doo Doo as he hasn'e said if his card is going or not.
It maybe a cap from something else.
Since he found the cap on the floor.

[Craigleberry]

@ Wile E I have just been really busy lately its a good thing I guess but when you want to socialize it isnt. I agree with you Widjaja I think the cap on the floor is a dead giveaway lol.

[tkpenalty]

TheGave, take a photo of your PCB's front side near the PCI-E connector. That cap most likely came off the X1950PRO.

[Widjaja]

TK
The Gave's X1950pro is a stupid dual molex AGP job form Sapphire.
It's a Rev 2 with the aluminium heatsink.
Just need a decent pic of one really.

[eidairaman1]

Same here- works perfectly fine, i guess sapphire was thinking most AGP users wouldnt have really upgraded their PSUs.
TK
The Gave's X1950pro is a stupid dual molex AGP job form Sapphire.
It's a Rev 2 with the aluminium heatsink.
Just need a decent pic of one really.

[tkpenalty]

I didnt consider that but it wouldnt change anything with the power filtering-not like Molex plugs supply a different voltage...

[Widjaja]

Same here- works perfectly fine, i guess sapphire was thinking most AGP users wouldnt have really upgraded their PSUs.

Yeah but then they go and say you need a PSU with a 30a single +12v rail on thier website.

Who many people with AGP would have a PSU which has that many amps?

How many PSUs with a 30a +12v rail have no PCI-E connectors?

[tkpenalty]

Yeah but then they go and say you need a PSU with a 30a single +12v rail on thier website.

Who many people with AGP would have a PSU which has that many amps?

How many PSUs with a 30a +12v rail have no PCI-E connectors?

Never seen one.

[Widjaja]

Exactly.

ATi pretty much saying you will need a new PSU for this card in a round about way.

[tkpenalty]

Exactly.

ATi pretty much saying you will need a new PSU for this card in a round about way.

Yeah... well Nvidia say EXACTLY the same phrase so yeah. Its just a way to indirectly advertise high end PSUs. Funny how my X1950PRO runs rock solid stable, and funny how the PSU runs rock solid stable when I only have 18A at my disposal :p

[tkpenalty]

8.3 Drivers are insane! I can max out NFS PS completely at 1280x1024 now, that includes the other settings such as Adaptive AA and Temporal! It runs around 30 FPS as well, compared to before how it used to run at around 25 at only 4x normal AA and AF.

*Bump??!*

[eidairaman1]

well i may end up trying them (Hotfix Drivers)

[Widjaja]

well i may end up trying them (Hotfix Drivers)


Hotfix drivers?
Why are you needing them?
Are you still having issues with the X1950pro?

[Craigleberry]

I have used the 8.3 drivers for my 9800pro aswell havnt benched it as yet though.

[eidairaman1]

Hotfix drivers?
Why are you needing them?
Are you still having issues with the X1950pro?

Well when i decided to link someone the 8.1 hotfix i found out they changed to 8.3 hotfix, the card i have is excellent as it has lasted me so far 3 months now without any flack, i think its for AGP cards only now.

[eidairaman1]

yesterday, i had my machine apart, i was looking at my 1950 Pro and i noticed 2 DIP switches on it, i wonder what they do.

[Widjaja]

Yeah I noticed them too.
Need something like a tooth pick to flick them.

[Wile E]

Iirc, they're to select between NTSC and PAL.

[imperialreign]

8.3 Drivers are insane! I can max out NFS PS completely at 1280x1024 now, that includes the other settings such as Adaptive AA and Temporal! It runs around 30 FPS as well, compared to before how it used to run at around 25 at only 4x normal AA and AF.

*Bump??!*

seriously? Maybe it's just NFS? I noticed a major drop across the board with 8.3 - even worse if I turned on any eye candy . . .



wait, nvrmnd - that was only with Crossfire enabled; never tried the drivers with one card :o

[tkpenalty]

seriously? Maybe it's just NFS? I noticed a major drop across the board with 8.3 - even worse if I turned on any eye candy . . .



wait, nvrmnd - that was only with Crossfire enabled; never tried the drivers with one card :o

Yeah true, probably it only works better for a single card setup.

[happita]

May I join?

I have one 3870 in my specs and is 512MB GDDR4 :)

[3870x2]

I remember when the 3870 came out, i was all about getting it, then the x2 came out and owned the competition at a very low price, but i went ahead and got the gts 512 because of the fact that the 9900gtx will be coming out, and unlike the 9800gtx, i dont believe it will disappoint.

[-iceblade^]

Is it possible for me to join this clubhouse? i have a pic of my PC...

http://img.techpowerup.org/080410/post-83844-1207232687334.jpg

System Spec: E2160 @ 3.0ghz & 1.4V - 2x1gb GEIL Black Dragon - MSI Neo2-FR - Gecube HD3870 X-Turbo III O.C Edition - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - WD 320gb HDD - Hiper HPU4M580 580W - CoolerMaster Elite 330

Card: Gecube HD 3870 X-Turbo III O.C. Edition; 512mb GDDR4, in single GPU config.

[Craigleberry]

Welcome Iceblade. Hi guys I havnt been in here for a while but I need a help. I already have a Sapphire X1950pro which didnt come with a crossfire bridge. I may be getting a Powercolour x1950 pro That has one crossfire bridge with it. Will they do crossfire with the one connector or will I have to fork out for another.

[tkpenalty]

K guys, have been fairly busy last week and will be busy this week too, regardless of the fact that its the start of the school holidays...

Welcome Iceblade. Hi guys I havnt been in here for a while but I need a help. I already have a Sapphire X1950pro which didnt come with a crossfire bridge. I may be getting a Powercolour x1950 pro That has one crossfire bridge with it. Will they do crossfire with the one connector or will I have to fork out for another.

I highly doubt you can still get a powercolor X1950PRO... Sapphire, maybe. Why not grab two HD3850s instead? :p Joking.

[Craigleberry]

Nahh dude the powercolour is second hand. I just thought for a little bit of money I can squeeze a bit more out of my current set up before I take the plunge and get one of the newer cards. But you still didnt answer my question I am guessing it wont do crossfire with just one bridge.

[tkpenalty]

Nahh dude the powercolour is second hand. I just thought for a little bit of money I can squeeze a bit more out of my current set up before I take the plunge and get one of the newer cards. But you still didnt answer my question I am guessing it wont do crossfire with just one bridge.

Oh, yes CF will work with only one bridge installed. Well at least on the newer HD3850s... I'm not clear on the X1950PROs. I think on the older drivers it didn't let CF work with one bridge. I'd just grab another bridge...they don't cost much, and there HAS to be someone you know with a spare bridge.

I wonder when they'll release the HD4k series...

[Craigleberry]

20 bucks at scorptech is the cheapest I can find for a crossfire bridge lol. Unless someone here wants to post me one lol.

[tkpenalty]

20 bucks at scorptech is the cheapest I can find for a crossfire bridge lol. Unless someone here wants to post me one lol.

Well its worth almost double the performance you get with two X1950PROs so why not get it? If you were in Sydney you I'd be able to supply you my CF bridge.

[eidairaman1]

i just hope his Monitor is 1600x1200 or Higher.

[tkpenalty]

i just hope his Monitor is 1600x1200 or Higher.

Even under that resolution you will still see subtantial gains, in stuff like Pro Street, COD4, etc. Basically a majority of the newer games.

[eidairaman1]

COD4 runs fine for me, 1950 Pro at 1280x1024 75 Refresh.

[imperialreign]

I'll tell you from my experience - with my two ATI branded 1950 PROs, there is a significant improvement in-game even running lower screen resolutions. Typically, most newer games I'm stuck with either 1024x768 or 1280x800 if I want to keep the correct aspect ratio, older games I can run my native 1440x900. Still, though, the way ATi Crossfire works, you'll see an improvement. Each GPU is now rendering half of what one GPU would at your current settings, so you now have two GPUs rendering the workload of one. Because each GPU focuses on every other frame, or certain parts of a frame, it's not rendering the whole image - which takes longer for one GPU to do, render a whole image, or only part of it?

Not saying that you'll double your peformance, but you will see a noticeable increase.

[Craigleberry]

My native res is 1680x1050 BENQ 22" Widescreen. And I have a p35 chipset so I will have one running at half the speed but still I will get an increase and that is what I want. lol. But I dont think It is going to anything untill I get a second crossfire bridge hehehe @TK PM sent.

[Widjaja]

@Craigleberry.
I wonder what your benchmark will be with your CPU at 3.4Ghz and X1950pros in CF.

[eidairaman1]

My native res is 1680x1050 BENQ 22" Widescreen. And I have a p35 chipset so I will have one running at half the speed but still I will get an increase and that is what I want. lol. But I dont think It is going to anything untill I get a second crossfire bridge hehehe @TK PM sent.

If you can run them in 8X that is best config, the 16+4 doesnt seem to work that well.

[Craigleberry]

@Craigleberry.
I wonder what your benchmark will be with your CPU at 3.4Ghz and X1950pros in CF.

More than I get now hopefully. I have my cpu @3.6GHz ATM. It has been like that 24-7 for a while and stable.

[tkpenalty]

More than I get now hopefully. I have my cpu @3.6GHz ATM. It has been like that 24-7 for a while and stable.

Good luck. I would recommend swapping ur fans for slipstreams on the IFX because the slipstreams work well with Thermalright's towers (because of the packed fin spacing).

If you can run them in 8X that is best config, the 16+4 doesnt seem to work that well.

With X1950PROs, it doesn't matter.

[tkpenalty]

Anyways... what happened. whats with the inactivity ....

[Widjaja]

No one is having issues with their cards I guess. . . .

[eidairaman1]

My 1950 Is flawless despite being the Second one.

CPU is at 217x10.5 1.7Vcore Relaxed Mem 8333 2T

CPU Temp idle is 26 Chipset 33.

[Craigleberry]

got the second card in today yippey 8024 3d mark 06
When I went to play the first game my heart sank instantly seing artifact like garbled mess on the screen finaly worked out to disable cat A.I

[Widjaja]

got the second card in today yippey 8024 3d mark 06
When I went to play the first game my heart sank instantly seing artifact like garbled mess on the screen finaly worked out to disable cat A.I

As I expected.
1 1/2 cards worth of performance in benchmarks.
But still your frames should be boosted in real world gameplay, not just in a score.

Unexplainable Artifacting.
I know the feeling.
Like the Colin Mcrae DiRT Artifacting with Geometry Instancing off with the Sapphire X1950pro AGP.

[Craigleberry]

Love that game. Overall I am happy with the gain I got. I am going to pick up an x38 board soon so Crossfire wont totally be wasted. lol

[eidairaman1]

Love that game. Overall I am happy with the gain I got. I am going to pick up an x38 board soon so Crossfire wont totally be wasted. lol

SKip the X38 seems Crashnburnxp has problems going beyond 3.6 with his Xeon Quad.

[tkpenalty]

My 1950 Is flawless despite being the Second one.

CPU is at 217x10.5 1.7Vcore Relaxed Mem 8333 2T

CPU Temp idle is 26 Chipset 33.

Same here. Damn these X1950PROs seem to be pro :roll:. I'd probably say its the fact that it uses a digital power phase instead of the normal mosfet > coil > capacitor array. I love how AMD keeps squeezing performance out of these cards almost two years after its been released :)

[Wile E]

SKip the X38 seems Crashnburnxp has problems going beyond 3.6 with his Xeon Quad.

That has nothing to do with X38. It's his chip. I had my Q6600 up to 4GHz, chip limited, and this QX over 4.5GHz, again, chip limited, on my Maximus.

[Widjaja]

Same here. Damn these X1950PROs seem to be pro :roll:. I'd probably say its the fact that it uses a digital power phase instead of the normal mosfet > coil > capacitor array. I love how AMD keeps squeezing performance out of these cards almost two years after its been released :)

Yeah no faint whiney coil capacitor array.
A-la 8800GT.

I now just crank up the Tuniq Tower CPU fan as I usually have it on low as it's quite loud.

@Craigleberry
Well for what it's worth my brother is using an ASUS P35 Deluxe and has overclocked his E6600 to 3.0Ghz and reduced the vcore to 1.2 something volts on a stock cooler.

Unfortunately he can't use the CF option as he uses a 8800GTX and won't go to ATi at the moment although he does prefer ATi like myself.

[eidairaman1]

Same here. Damn these X1950PROs seem to be pro :roll:. I'd probably say its the fact that it uses a digital power phase instead of the normal mosfet > coil > capacitor array. I love how AMD keeps squeezing performance out of these cards almost two years after its been released :)

Certainly Do play Call of Duty 4 well

[Craigleberry]

I dunnno what to do yet but crossfire is turning out to be a pain in the . I am going to buy me a 3870 I think.

[eidairaman1]

far easier to implement than SLI, Ya go with a 3870, they seem to be far more stable than 1950 with overclocking, 1 Id recommend looking at is the Visiontek 3870- non factory cooler

[tkpenalty]

I'd go with any brand, EXCEPT Sapphire. Why? Sapphire bloody ripped two of the power phases off the PCB to cut down on costs... Try something like Gigabyte, or ASUS. (Grab a HR-03 Plus for it :p)

[Craigleberry]

I am liking the HIS one

[tkpenalty]

I am liking the HIS one

I would really question what HIS does to their cards so I'd recommend them as a last choice instead...

[Widjaja]

I am liking the HIS one

Just make sure you get a good Warranty.
Considering what issues you had with your HIS X1950pro.

BTW found out whats causing the craphic corruption with your CF setup?

[eidairaman1]

I'd go with any brand, EXCEPT Sapphire. Why? Sapphire bloody ripped two of the power phases off the PCB to cut down on costs... Try something like Gigabyte, or ASUS. (Grab a HR-03 Plus for it :p)

The Sapphire Board Works Perfectly Fine.

Also a warning for HIS- it took them over a week for them to respond to my RMA request, Sapphire Took less than a day to respond, Yes i had 2 1950 Pros Died, both are Replaced, i have the HIS as a spare incase this sapphire dies, been good since getting it in January.

[tkpenalty]

The Sapphire Board Works Perfectly Fine.

Also a warning for HIS- it took them over a week for them to respond to my RMA request, Sapphire Took less than a day to respond, Yes i had 2 1950 Pros Died, both are Replaced, i have the HIS as a spare incase this sapphire dies, been good since getting it in January.

Yeah... I noticed that, Sapphire were lightning quick... then again they are a top tier manufacturer so its expected from them. HIS I wouldn't class there because a card with a good cooler will not make it a top tier card. Hmm with Sapphire ripping off two of their phases... it does make their cards inferior in a sense, then again the HD3870 doesn't even need four Vcore phases! They are single slot these days and I'd reckon made this way to fit on some of the badly designed quad fire boards out there.

Btw guys, to correct you guys a bit. THE RV770/R700 WILL HAVE A 512BIT BUS

[tkpenalty]

Bump much?

[the_cracker]

Hello I'm new here and I want to be a member of X1950Pro Club. I own a GeCube X1950 Pro and this card is a killer.

[cdawall]

haha i forgot to join here

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/d86su/

[Dangle]

I don't know what any of the technical info regarding the RV770. Will a 4870x2 be much more powerful than a 3870x2?

I have a 2900XT right now, I just want to know if I should get a 4870x2 this year or wait for a 4900.

[Widjaja]

@Dangle
I would just wait till they bring out something which is either about the same price as the 8800GT and is better or wait till they release a card which is finally faster than any nVidia card out.

Although you can benfit from a new GPU with your Q6600.

My current GPU is the fastest I can go for at the moment without it being pointles because of my X2 4800+.

[tkpenalty]

June 16 guys. The R700 series will be released by then. Pricing looks pretty low for a high end product, nevertheless it is a growing trend that technology is getting cheaper (However... with the CPU monopoly that Intel is doing atm, this isn't really true with CPUs).

[tkpenalty]

Where is the love for AMDTI?

[Widjaja]

Most of the ATi loyalists would have been taken by nVidia with the 8800GT.

Like myself.

But then again, will have to see how the HD4xxx series goes.

[tkpenalty]

Most of the ATi loyalists would have been taken by nVidia with the 8800GT.

Like myself.

But then again, will have to see how the HD4xxx series goes.

So true :laugh:

[Wile E]

Most of the ATi loyalists would have been taken by nVidia with the 8800GT.

Like myself.

But then again, will have to see how the HD4xxx series goes.

I guess I can't really disagree with that either. :laugh:

[tkpenalty]

Funny how a lot of people who have a 8800GT used to have a X1950PRO...

[Widjaja]

Because most those people who bought the X1950pro are value vs performance concious.

[tkpenalty]

GTX280 sounds like a major threat to the HD4xxx...

HD4870's specs on paper don't seem to be anywhere near the GTX280. Unless AMD is aiming at consumer-class, but....

[Widjaja]

The GTX280 may lose out depending on the price.

[tkpenalty]

The GTX280 may lose out depending on the price.

True but the average consumer usually goes for the manufacturer that makes the better flagship product, even when they are going for a low/mid end product... unless they know a bit more.

[Widjaja]

unless they know a bit more.

True.

Good example is a mate of mine who wants to get the 8800 Ultra.

Why?

Because it's the fastest.
The dude is already has a massive credit card debt but he has to have bestest compared to everyone else:rolleyes:

[eidairaman1]

why not just go from whatever card he has to a 9800 GTX, reason saying the 9800 GTX runs cooler, draws less power and is probably more cost efficient than the G80.

[imperialreign]

Most of the ATi loyalists would have been taken by nVidia with the 8800GT.

Like myself.

But then again, will have to see how the HD4xxx series goes.

can't say that I have - ATI loyalist here :D


BTW, tk, when next you update the OP, change my setup to Crossfired VistionTek HD3870 OC Editions - had to swap two 1950 PROs for two HD3870s :rockout:

[Widjaja]

why not just go from whatever card he has to a 9800 GTX, reason saying the 9800 GTX runs cooler, draws less power and is probably more cost efficient than the G80.

Because he is the average consumer.

Ultra to him sounds better than GTX plus the fact it's more expensive, so to him it means better.:rolleyes:

Don't even try to understand.

[tkpenalty]

True.

Good example is a mate of mine who wants to get the 8800 Ultra.

Why?

Because it's the fastest.
The dude is already has a massive credit card debt but he has to have bestest compared to everyone else:rolleyes:

BIG idiot.

[InnocentCriminal]

Because he is the average consumer.

Ultra to him sounds better than GTX plus the fact it's more expensive, so to him it means better.:rolleyes:

Don't even try to understand.

I have a friend who is exactly like that! As his current set up isn't working correctly he's been planning getting a new rig based around a Q9450 but since I've told him about Nehalem and the 4870X2 he's stopped bollocking on about that and won't shut up about Nehalem.

Don't know why I act so surprised, he does this constantly.

Oh and I have a X1950 Pro AGP and a HD3850 AGP - :D

[Widjaja]

BIG idiot.

Yeah it gets worse.
He's also a sore loser when playing against him.
Good examples are driving games and fps games.
If he sees he's losing he will press the escape button before you win or hand the controls to someone who is better just so he can see you lose under his own user name.:rolleyes:

You should have seen him when my X1950pro AGP slaughtered his 7600GT PCI-E in 3DMark after his trashing of AGP.
So I says to the horse. . . ."Why the long face?".:roll:

Oh yes and locked himself out of his own BIOS.

[InnocentCriminal]

People like that don't deserve access to the BIOS.

;)

[tkpenalty]

Yeah it gets worse.
He's also a sore loser when playing against him.
Good examples are driving games and fps games.
If he sees he's losing he will press the escape button before you win or hand the controls to someone who is better just so he can see you lose under his own user name.:rolleyes:

You should have seen him when my X1950pro AGP slaughtered his 7600GT PCI-E in 3DMark after his trashing of AGP.
So I says to the horse. . . ."Why the long face?".:roll:

Oh yes and locked himself out of his own BIOS.

:roll: OWNED.

My X1950PRO is going to get a cooler swap soon, from accelero to the VF900CU. Mainly because the VF900CU is more compact-old system looks a bit cluttered with the Accelero. I'm moreover concerned about the convenience...

[Widjaja]

Is the GPU a bit of a bugger to get out with the accelero S1?

Talk about convenience, it's the reason why I'm looking at a modular PSU but as of today I had to retire my Logitech MX518.
The mouse is literally squeaking 24/7 from the base of it.

Now to choose between Razor or Logitech.

[tkpenalty]

Going to switch to vista soon... OS got owned by a rootkit.

[eidairaman1]

Is the GPU a bit of a bugger to get out with the accelero S1?

Talk about convenience, it's the reason why I'm looking at a modular PSU but as of today I had to retire my Logitech MX518.
The mouse is literally squeaking 24/7 from the base of it.

Now to choose between Razor or Logitech.

If Price wasnt a Issue id pick the Roccat Kone

[Widjaja]

I don't think it's available in NZ yet.
Look at either a Logitech G5, Razor copperhead or Diamond back.
I'll most probably get the G5 since I rarely ever use the highest dpi.
I'm constantly using 800dpi.

Right now I'm using an OEM Microsoft optical mouse.
Feels pretty sluggish but the scrolling on it is better than the MX518.

[cdawall]

lol how do i get on the first page?

[InnocentCriminal]

lol how do i get on the first page?

Ditto!

[tkpenalty]

lol how do i get on the first page?

Press first on the page selection thing. Can't wait to smack the VF900CU on the X1950PRO :D

[InnocentCriminal]

Press first on the page selection thing. Can't wait to smack the VF900CU on the X1950PRO :D

I think he meant getting into the club house, well, that's what I meant anyroad. :D

I think I'll get the VF1000 when I purchase my new HDD. In fact, I'll order them now.

:rockout:

[cdawall]

Press first on the page selection thing. Can't wait to smack the VF900CU on the X1950PRO :D

i meant get my name added ;)

[tkpenalty]

i meant get my name added ;)

You just ask me like you just did :p

[Craigleberry]

Hi guys long time no post. lol. I have had a lot of family stuff happening lately. But anyway I got this yesterday http://www.scorptec.com.au/browse/35/461/82. Seems to perform well alot better than my x1950's did anyway. EDIT: I need a new sig :P anyone??

[Wile E]

Hi guys long time no post. lol. I have had a lot of family stuff happening lately. But anyway I got this yesterday http://www.scorptec.com.au/browse/35/461/82. Seems to perform well alot better than my x1950's did anyway. EDIT: I need a new sig :P anyone??

Hey, good to see you. Very nice upgrade you got for yourself. Now don't be a stranger this time. lol.

[Craigleberry]

Just ran 3dmark 06 got 11398. Not too bad running 8.4 cats that I D/L from MSI Website I am waiting for them to come up with the 8.5's and see how they go.

[Widjaja]

@Craigleberry
You now have the same 3DMark06 score as my brother who has a E6600@3.0Ghz and a eVGA8800GTX.

You have a spot on score for your system.

[Craigleberry]

@Craigleberry
You now have the same 3DMark06 score as my brother who has a E6600@3.0Ghz and a eVGA8800GTX.

You have a spot on score for your system.

Yer I dont think I would squeeze anything more out of it untill I try the 8.5 cats apparently they give a bit of a gain with the 3870's

[Widjaja]

None the less, it is a score to be proud of.

[tkpenalty]

Nice :). Hmm HD4870/HD4850s look like a real threat to nvidia with the latest benchmarks that are being pumped out showing that one HD4870 tramples the 9800GX2... by a LOT.

I'd assume this massive performance is thanks to the fact that the FSAA isnt loaded on the shaders anymore

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7707&Itemid=1

Techdemo...

[InnocentCriminal]

I've installed my Zalman VF1000LED - freakin' owns!

Highly recommend it to anyone planning on cooling their 3850/70.

[Widjaja]

The VF 1000 is a big bugger.
My half size VF830 version does fine for me.

[InnocentCriminal]

I don't doubt that, but the I was surprised at how small the VF1000LED is compared to what I had imagined. It's a fantastic little cooler, I get 36°C idle and 50°C on load, and that's after playing CoD 4 for 3 hours and then playing Crysis for a few.

[Widjaja]

Puts my temps to shame.
I get 42degC Idle, 65degC playing COD4 with everything maxxed out at 1280 x 1024 and plays so smooth.

Off Topic:-
COD4 is one of the best games I have played this year.
Plays so well and looks so good.
The Sniper mission stood out the most for me and my bro with visuals.

Next Race Driver GRID.
Apparently puts DiRT's piss poor performance to shame.

[InnocentCriminal]

Puts my temps to shame.
I get 42degC Idle, 65degC playing COD4 with everything maxxed out at 1280 x 1024 and plays so smooth.

I won't mention my CPU temps then. ^^

I'm gutted my motherboard sucks shitty dog's balls when it comes to overclocking. I'm currently at 2.76GHz but I had to drop my RAM from 2:1 (DDR400) to 5:3 (DDR333) just so I could get it stable. I have a feeling it doesn't like my RAM.

:(

Even though I'm at 2.76GHz I'm still a 100 marks off my Shuttle's score at 2.7GHz - extremely gutted.

Off Topic:-
COD4 is one of the best games I have played this year. Plays so well and looks so good.
The Sniper mission stood out the most for me and my bro with visuals.

Couldn't agree with you more, if I didn't have Crysis to play through I'd probably continue with playing it on Veteran. The new multi-player maps are great and 1.6 patch really helps with my reg issues. ^^

Next Race Driver GRID.
Apparently puts DiRT's piss poor performance to shame.

I bought DiRT recently for £10 and it's so much fun, I'm going to be sorting out my HDD(s) this week(end) so I'll be bunging it back on. It's great, a'ight performance is a bit crappy but I can play it fine, just get the odd slow down now and then.

I'm debating with myself if it's worth purchasing a Q6600 and the AsRock 4Core Dual SATA motherboard. I'd only have to get another Arctic Freezer (unless I could mod the retention block from my current mobo). No, no, going off topic and I must wait for Nehalem.

^^

[tkpenalty]

I won't mention my CPU temps then. ^^

I'm gutted my motherboard sucks shitty dog's balls when it comes to overclocking. I'm currently at 2.76GHz but I had to drop my RAM from 2:1 (DDR400) to 5:3 (DDR333) just so I could get it stable. I have a feeling it doesn't like my RAM.

:(

Even though I'm at 2.76GHz I'm still a 100 marks off my Shuttle's score at 2.7GHz - extremely gutted.



Couldn't agree with you more, if I didn't have Crysis to play through I'd probably continue with playing it on Veteran. The new multi-player maps are great and 1.6 patch really helps with my reg issues. ^^



I bought DiRT recently for £10 and it's so much fun, I'm going to be sorting out my HDD(s) this week(end) so I'll be bunging it back on. It's great, a'ight performance is a bit crappy but I can play it fine, just get the odd slow down now and then.

I'm debating with myself if it's worth purchasing a Q6600 and the AsRock 4Core Dual SATA motherboard. I'd only have to get another Arctic Freezer (unless I could mod the retention block from my current mobo). No, no, going off topic and I must wait for Nehalem.

^^

Screw arctic freezer PRO 7s when you can get a more compact cheaper, and high end Xigmatek HDTS963. And yes I give you authority to go off topic.

I would recommend the AcceleroS1 of Thermalright V1 over the VF1000... the VF1000 isn't that much good of a cooler in my opinion. The extra heatpipes only serve as a redundancy for heatpipes from being saturated with heat (A problem of the VF900). Its not a bad cooler but there are better alternatives in terms of bang for buck :\

[Widjaja]

I'm gutted my motherboard sucks shitty dog's balls when it comes to overclocking.

Overclocking enthusiasts board my arse, check the false readings on the uGURU clock!
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/WiFry/VeryFast.jpg
I think the AV8 series sucks hard, no matter who the manufacturer is.

As for DiRT wait till you get to the multicar races in the higher tiers, super rally cross chuggs hard.
If your'e trying to beat world lap times, try and beat mine under the user name Applique.

[tkpenalty]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7739&Itemid=1 <<< R700 Release date.

[Gallatin]

ok. 2 asus hd3650. am good for it?
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/08/06/12/2b4.png

[tkpenalty]

Definately :).

Geez I need to get my ass over to posting here... no time these days

[tkpenalty]

-Celebration-

Woot the HD4850 is out :D Any mod who passes by, may you please change it to "Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse" instead?

Thanks.

[Widjaja]

I'm going to try and swap my 8800GT I'm getting on RMA for a HD4850.
Yes another of my XFX 8800GT XXX's bit the dust, which makes three.

Not going back to nVidia after the run of bad luck I had.

[ShadowFold]

Well tbh I think im gonna grab a 4850 or even a 4870 if they are under 300$. I really want to go back to ATi cause nvidia hasnt released drivers since may 16th or something like that and its getting boring :ohwell: I just hope palit has them out by the time I can buy one :p

[Widjaja]

Well looks like I'll be back with ATi.
Offered a 9800GTX as a replacement for my 8800GT but it won't fit in my case due to the chassis layout.

So I saw my distributor has HD4850's in stock which should fit being a single slot solution and the same size as the X1950pro.

Wonder if I'll be in credit with the distirbutor since I paid $457NZD for my 8800GT and the HD4850 is $369 which would leave me with $88 which could go to a Xfi Extreme gamer or an Auzentech Xplosion.

[tkpenalty]

Well looks like I'll be back with ATi.
Offered a 9800GTX as a replacement for my 8800GT but it won't fit in my case due to the chassis layout.

So I saw my distributor has HD4850's in stock which should fit being a single slot solution and the same size as the X1950pro.

Wonder if I'll be in credit with the distirbutor since I paid $457NZD for my 8800GT and the HD4850 is $369 which would leave me with $88 which could go to a Xfi Extreme gamer or an Auzentech Xplosion.

Thats what I hate about Nvidia, none of their new products will ever fit in my case. Oh well. 4850FTW. 9.7,9.8 are the highest review scores I've ever seen on TPU.

[tkpenalty]

God this card is phenomenal! Editor's choice left and right. I might as well start saving up my funds for this :D

[InnocentCriminal]

Going to get the title changed ay? ^^

[Widjaja]

Apparently the HD4850's with the reference coolers are hot like the reference cooled X1950pros.
Yay looks like I can place one of my hands up against the back of the PC when it's a bit chilly!

[InnocentCriminal]

^^

Hand warmer FTW!

[tkpenalty]

Apparently the HD4850's with the reference coolers are hot like the reference cooled X1950pros.
Yay looks like I can place one of my hands up against the back of the PC when it's a bit chilly!

haha. 9.8/9.7 are the highest scores I've ever seen W1zzard give out.

Who wants a 8800GT with an AcceleroS1 for $150 AUD? :laugh: (actually since the release of the HD4850... the 8800GT's value has just died..........)

[tkpenalty]

Going to get the title changed ay? ^^

Why not? I'm a chap who likes to keep up with the latest (orly?)

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Proud owner of a hd3870 ere.

[mitsirfishi]

_FBi;849201']Proud owner of a hd3870 ere.

same ;) but WHOA HD4850 Beast just hope the hd4870 with ddr5 will :nutkick:

[Widjaja]

Don't know where my brother took this from but it shows the comparision between the ridiculously sized nVidia cards.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/WiFry/grid.gif

I think AMD/ATi have won this round if the manufacturers keep up the with demand for these cards.

[tkpenalty]

Don't know where my brother took this from but it shows the comparision between the ridiculously sized nVidia cards.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/WiFry/grid.gif

I think AMD/ATi have won this round if the manufacturers keep up the with demand for these cards.

Higher the res = 4850 shines... the reason why R600s were so weak at AA was because of the way that the cards did AA. RV770s patched up this issue...

[p_o_s_pc]

Are the 4850 prices going to be drop'n anytime soon? I think the price is good on them but i still would like to see them lower. I am going to try and get a 4850 it looks like it is killing most of the the Nvidia cards and it looks that every card in the same price range is getting killed by it.

[Widjaja]

Are the 4850 prices going to be drop'n anytime soon? I think the price is good on them but i still would like to see them lower. I am going to try and get a 4850 it looks like it is killing most of the the Nvidia cards and it looks that every card in the same price range is getting killed by it.

The cards have only just come out.:laugh:
AMD haven't even realsed WHQL drivers on thier webiste for it yet.

Come on no need to be cheap, the Sapphire one's are $369NZD which is really good buy.

The HD4850 is hotter than the X1950pro, it hits 87egC max load in rithdrl HDR test.
TOASTY!:toast:

Makes me wonder what the temperature threshold of the core is.

[p_o_s_pc]

I don't have a problem with the price and I am not cheap most of the time...I know they just came out. I think it would be good to get a aftermarket HSF for it then if they get that hot.

[tkpenalty]

Nvidia is going to suffer down under, in Australia, the 9800GTX hasnt had the price drops that occured elsewhere...

[mitsirfishi]

The cards have only just come out.:laugh:
AMD haven't even realsed WHQL drivers on thier webiste for it yet.

Come on no need to be cheap, the Sapphire one's are $369NZD which is really good buy.

The HD4850 is hotter than the X1950pro, it hits 87egC max load in rithdrl HDR test.
TOASTY!:toast:

Makes me wonder what the temperature threshold of the core is.

dont worry about the threshold just think of what cooler your going to wack onto it get more overclocking out of it ;)

[Widjaja]

dont worry about the threshold just think of what cooler your going to wack onto it get more overclocking out of it ;)

Wonder what coolers are compatible with it?

I'm guessing anything which fits the HD3850's.

[tkpenalty]

Wonder what coolers are compatible with it?

I'm guessing anything which fits the HD3850's.

Precisely. The card is identical, in appearace, just the cores slightly bigger. I woudln't go for anything under a VF900CU, actually VF900CU is already pushing it a bit, Maybe an AcceleroS1, + TMs. Just remember, to buy an extra set of ramsinks for the MOSFETs.

[DanishDevil]

Just keep in mind the L shape of the RAM now instead of the one diagonal chip like the HD 3K's in case the cooler of your choice doesn't have individual ram sinks.

[Widjaja]

Well it's confirmed, I now have a Sapphire HD4850 on the way.
It will be interesting to see what the max temperature will be in my system as all the ventilation is above the gpu currently.

Hope the nf4 chipset doesn't have an issue with the HD4850 being an ATi card.
Shouldn't do if I don't use a dual card setup.

[tkpenalty]

Just keep in mind the L shape of the RAM now instead of the one diagonal chip like the HD 3K's in case the cooler of your choice doesn't have individual ram sinks.

Its actually better that the memory chips are spaced like that; they are further from the core. I dont know of any "single piece" aftermarket cooler that works on the HD3850s anyway... Damn i want one of these cards D:.

[InnocentCriminal]

Well it's confirmed, I now have a Sapphire HD4850 on the way.
It will be interesting to see what the max temperature will be in my system as all the ventilation is above the gpu currently.

Hope the nf4 chipset doesn't have an issue with the HD4850 being an ATi card.
Shouldn't do if I don't use a dual card setup.

You'll be fine I would have thought, as your not using a AGP card. Only issue I know of is the fucking annoying Code 43 error. :mad:

[Widjaja]

You'll be fine I would have thought, as your not using a AGP card. Only issue I know of is the fucking annoying Code 43 error. :mad:

Had a quick goole and it appears its realted to nf3 AGP, Vista and ATi drivers.

[Widjaja]

My new card is finally here!
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/WiFry/HD4850.jpg
I'm going to wait till the 8.7cats come out so I don't have to use the hotfix though.
As I have noticed from the past as AMD/ATi have usually released the decent drivers after the the release of the card.

[Craigleberry]

Nice card widjaja. Post 3dmark scores would like to know what you get man

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

I ram my e6400 @ 3.2 Ghz last night and card @ 820/1200 and got 11.2K in 3d mark 06 hows that?

[mitsirfishi]

not a bad run memory will run 1300 easy 1355 max stable on mine and 880 on my core keep pushing :D

[p_o_s_pc]

How many watts and amps does a 4870 need? I want to get one but i can't afford to get a new PSU and a 4870

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

what are some suggested fan speeds cause i think i might just bios flash this card with new fan settings as it runs too hot for my liking and riva cools it a fair bit.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

alos my card is a built by ati model, i flashed it with an edited version of my current bios, does it remove the clock limit?

[eidairaman1]

Had a quick goole and it appears its realted to nf3 AGP, Vista and ATi drivers.

Missing GART driver, basically Vista tried pulling a fast one on AGP support.

[tkpenalty]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Diamond/HD_4870/25.html

This is so tempting. Dammit i want a HD4870!!! :(

[Widjaja]

I recieved a DVI to HDMI out, what kind of monitor uses one of these?
Probably expensive.

[tkpenalty]

I recieved a DVI to HDMI out, what kind of monitor uses one of these?
Probably expensive.

A LOT of TVs use HDMI these days (so do DVD players O_o, okay a lot of DVD players have USB/SD slots.... why not call them SD players :D)

[Craigleberry]

Yer I got one wif my 3870 I guess thats why its called a HD3870 lol.

[Urbklr]

I recieved a DVI to HDMI out, what kind of monitor uses one of these?
Probably expensive.

It is included because the card puts out 7.1 audio through it.

[tkpenalty]

It is included because the card puts out 7.1 audio threw it.

through

Anyway, I got a E7200 now :D

[Craigleberry]

So how do the 4850's perform? Is it worth getting one of these for a new pc I am putting together for a friend or would it be better to spend a little more and get the 4870? My mate just wants good graphics when he does play a game which isnt very often.

[tkpenalty]

So how do the 4850's perform? Is it worth getting one of these for a new pc I am putting together for a friend or would it be better to spend a little more and get the 4870? My mate just wants good graphics when he does play a game which isnt very often.

Mate, its $220 and performs like a $300 9800GTX. What does that tell you? The card wants to sell itself!

So buy it :). 4870 is like the cost of the 9800, I'd go for the 4850 instead, but thats my opinion.

[Widjaja]

Still haven't installed my HD4850 yet as I'm only gpoing to install the card once the 8.7's come out.

With the rest of my system specs, I'd say the HD4850 will perform
a bit better than the 8800GT but with better image quality on some games.
If he has a generic mid tower chassis without the hotswappable HDD rack he may want a HD4850 due to it's size.
I can barely just fit a 4870 due to it's dual slot cooler and I can't install a 9800GTX as the cooler will jam against the top HDD.

But I think I have become slightly biased to ATi now due to the stint I had with the 8800GT and I feel nVidia concertrate on advertising themselves more than they work on thier driver performance.

[eidairaman1]

So how do the 4850's perform? Is it worth getting one of these for a new pc I am putting together for a friend or would it be better to spend a little more and get the 4870? My mate just wants good graphics when he does play a game which isnt very often.

so i guess your SKT A project died?

[tkpenalty]

Still haven't installed my HD4850 yet as I'm only gpoing to install the card once the 8.7's come out.

With the rest of my system specs, I'd say the HD4850 will perform
a bit better than the 8800GT but with better image quality on some games.
If he has a generic mid tower chassis without the hotswappable HDD rack he may want a HD4850 due to it's size.
I can barely just fit a 4870 due to it's dual slot cooler and I can't install a 9800GTX as the cooler will jam against the top HDD.

But I think I have become slightly biased to ATi now due to the stint I had with the 8800GT and I feel nVidia concertrate on advertising themselves more than they work on thier driver performance.

I feel the same with Nvidia. Nvidia have just exhausted themselves with the GTX200s, while AMD most likely havent been working on the R700s this year but instead only the drivers (I'd assume that since the R700 is an optimised R600). R800s are probably even finished, and just are waiting for nvidia's "Nuke".

4850 should give the 8800GT a nice ass whooping. Remember the benchmarks...?

[Widjaja]

4850 should give the 8800GT a nice ass whooping. Remember the benchmarks...?

We'll see.
Depends on what I can get with the CPU I have now and I'll be upgrading my monitor next as it would be stupid getting a new CPU, RAM and Motherboard when my monitor's max res is 1280 x 1024.

[Craigleberry]

so i guess your SKT A project died?

Nope going great guns although the 9800 did die so I got a 7600gt for it. Great pc for the kids. I havnt O/C it all that much as the chipset gets red hot on the old lanparty :p

[Ketxxx]

Support group? You make it sound like we are alcoholics :p

[p_o_s_pc]

Support group? You make it sound like we are alcoholics :p

you mean we aren't?:eek: just admit it ketxxx you and many others here are

[Widjaja]

Ketxxx
Haven't seen you around in ages!

[Ketxxx]

I'm not an alcoholic :p I prefer to look at it as I appreciate alcohol more than others :D

[p_o_s_pc]

I'm not an alcoholic :p I prefer to look at it as I appreciate alcohol more than others :D

lol that is a good one :toast:

[Ketxxx]

Perhaps a bad time to mention it.. but right now I have a 1.75l bottle of jack daniels next to me :D looking for a good excuse to start it!

[p_o_s_pc]

Perhaps a bad time to mention it.. but right now I have a 1.75l bottle of jack daniels next to me :D looking for a good excuse to start it!

you need a good excuse to drink it... It is right beside you and you want to.

[Ketxxx]

Its no fun drinking by urself :p

[p_o_s_pc]

Its no fun drinking by urself :p

true dat get a few friends and some girls over there and have them bring there own and have some fun :D

[Ketxxx]

That should be happening next weekend :cool:

[p_o_s_pc]

That should be happening next weekend :cool:

sweet. :D:toast:

[Ketxxx]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/bizket/7bf8c936.gif

[p_o_s_pc]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/bizket/7bf8c936.gif

:roll: lol i have seen a few people like that... it lmao every time that happens

[Ketxxx]

You, me, and probably everybody here has been *THAT* person at least once before :D

[p_o_s_pc]

You, me, and probably everybody here has been *THAT* person at least once before :D
+1
If they haven't been yet there day will come

[RandomSunchips]

I got me an Asus 4850, with stock clocks at 625 core and 1986 mem. Not sure about shaders. At what point in overclocking would I see real gains? Around 700 core?

[p_o_s_pc]

you would see higher FPS in games and higher benchmarks

[Ketxxx]

I got me an Asus 4850, with stock clocks at 625 core and 1986 mem. Not sure about shaders. At what point in overclocking would I see real gains? Around 700 core?

Thats a question only a braud answer can be given to. The first thing you want to focus on isn't OCing the card, but using the highest possible stable FSB and clock frequency on your CPU, and running the highest possible OC on your RAM with it. (Timings no looser than 5-5-5-15).

This may explain what I'm talking about better;

With my system at stock (2GHz CPU, memory @ 800MHz, 3870 GDDR3 @ 776\1.8GHz) The system returned a 3Dmark06 score of around 8400pts, hardly spectacular. With my system OC'd to 3.4GHz @ 380FSB and memory @ 1146MHz, I got a 3Dmark06 score of 11,500, and even at an OC like that the CPU and memory only had enough to completely remove the bottleneck of the 3870 with its stock speeds.

In summary experiment with OCing your CPU, FSB and memory until performance gains in something like 3Dmark06 are negligable (~50pts), then set about OCing your card.

[Craigleberry]

Couldnt have said that any better myself.

[tkpenalty]

Thats a question only a braud answer can be given to. The first thing you want to focus on isn't OCing the card, but using the highest possible stable FSB and clock frequency on your CPU, and running the highest possible OC on your RAM with it. (Timings no looser than 5-5-5-15).

This may explain what I'm talking about better;

With my system at stock (2GHz CPU, memory @ 800MHz, 3870 GDDR3 @ 776\1.8GHz) The system returned a 3Dmark06 score of around 8400pts, hardly spectacular. With my system OC'd to 3.4GHz @ 380FSB and memory @ 1146MHz, I got a 3Dmark06 score of 11,500, and even at an OC like that the CPU and memory only had enough to completely remove the bottleneck of the 3870 with its stock speeds.

In summary experiment with OCing your CPU, FSB and memory until performance gains in something like 3Dmark06 are negligable (~50pts), then set about OCing your card.

Whoa holy crap O_O thats a huge gain.

From what I understand thats a driver inefficiency which requires more CPU power.

[ShadowFold]

http://img.techpowerup.org/071231/Picture.jpg

Oh god.. Bad memories lol

your member list is way old :ohwell: I ordered a 4850 tho!

[Ketxxx]

Whoa holy crap O_O thats a huge gain.

From what I understand thats a driver inefficiency which requires more CPU power.

I don't think a driver inefficiency totally explains massive gains like I observed. I do think however that people wern't properly prepared for the 3870s and thought their stock systems (nomatter how powerful) were enough to not have a bottleneck on the card.. just not true. In reality with the bottleneck removed my 3870 sits at a performance level right on par with a 4850 from reviews I have seen. When both cards are OCd the story is slightly different, but still not a huge distance between them.

[tkpenalty]

I don't think a driver inefficiency totally explains massive gains like I observed. I do think however that people wern't properly prepared for the 3870s and thought their stock systems (nomatter how powerful) were enough to not have a bottleneck on the card.. just not true. In reality with the bottleneck removed my 3870 sits at a performance level right on par with a 4850 from reviews I have seen. When both cards are OCd the story is slightly different, but still not a huge distance between them.

In 3D Mark 06 :rolleyes:

[Ketxxx]

Which is based on a real game engine and is 80% GPU dependent :rolleyes: Clearly, your not too familiar with how CPU>memory>VC all communicate with eachother. I would go into detail, but google exists and I don't have 20mins to waste atm.

[tkpenalty]

Which is based on a real game engine and is 80% GPU dependent :rolleyes: Clearly, your not too familiar with how CPU>memory>VC all communicate with eachother. I would go into detail, but google exists and I don't have 20mins to waste atm.

Yawn. Benchmark. Doesn't reflect in-game performance. Do some gaming benchmarks, but as far as I have seen, the 4850 almost doubles the performance of a HD3870 (and my 8800GT :cry:).

[Wile E]

I'm sorry Ket, TK is correct here. 3Dmark06 score are heavily skewed by the CPU. Going from 3.6GHz on my Quad to 4.4 is worth over 2000pts for me. The card is in no way bottlenecked by a quad at 3.6. All those points are from the cpu score.

If you want to see how a cpu really effects games, you have to run games. Or at least time demos of games.

Using Crysis as an example on my AMD 6400+ rig with a stock Palit 8800GT 1GB. There was less than a 1fps difference between 2GHz and 3.2GHz.

In short, there's just no way your card can keep up with the 4800 series in real gaming, unless you voltmod and water cool it at least.

[eidairaman1]

I'm sorry Ket, TK is correct here. 3Dmark06 score are heavily skewed by the CPU. Going from 3.6GHz on my Quad to 4.4 is worth over 2000pts for me. The card is in no way bottlenecked by a quad at 3.6. All those points are from the cpu score.

If you want to see how a cpu really effects games, you have to run games. Or at least time demos of games.

Using Crysis as an example on my AMD 6400+ rig with a stock Palit 8800GT 1GB. There was less than a 1fps difference between 2GHz and 3.2GHz.

In short, there's just no way your card can keep up with the 4800 series in real gaming, unless you voltmod and water cool it at least.

Explain why i score 2000~3000 pts more on 3DM06 with my current specs at 2.2GHz vs Candle_86 #4 system with a C2D overclocked to ~3.4GHz with a x800.

[Wile E]

Explain why i score 2000~3000 pts more on 3DM06 with my current specs at 2.2GHz vs Candle_86 #4 system with a C2D overclocked to ~3.4GHz with a x800.

I guess I need to reword my point a little. I didn't say it depended strictly on the cpu, I said it's heavily skewed by it. I gained 2000Pts by nothing more than OCing my CPU, but framerates in my games sure as hell didn't change.

In real world gaming, the cpu makes little to no difference, with some exceptions, of course. With an AMD dual core, it takes going down to 1.8GHz to see any real difference, and then it's still only about 2.5fps in Crysis.

Once you get an X2 or Core 2 above 2GHz, there is almost no difference in framerate in actual games. So if there is no real difference in games, why does a higher cpu clock give higher scores in 3Dmark06? Because 3DMark06 scores are heavily influenced by the cpu, when, and here is the important part, all else is equal.

[tkpenalty]

I guess I need to reword my point a little. I didn't say it depended strictly on the cpu, I said it's heavily skewed by it. I gained 2000Pts by nothing more than OCing my CPU, but framerates in my games sure as hell didn't change.

In real world gaming, the cpu makes little to no difference, with some exceptions, of course. With an AMD dual core, it takes going down to 1.8GHz to see any real difference, and then it's still only about 2.5fps in Crysis.

Once you get an X2 or Core 2 above 2GHz, there is almost no difference in framerate in actual games. So if there is no real difference in games, why does a higher cpu clock give higher scores in 3Dmark06? Because 3DMark06 scores are heavily influenced by the cpu, when, and here is the important part, all else is equal.

Somewhat correct, but with that framerate difference you are heavily understating it. Without bottlenecking your scenario and result is correct.

HOWEVER. In my case any C2D around less than 2Ghz that is used with the 8800GT (or HD3850; I used it once) gives me rather bottlenecked performance; in game its very noticeable. Once you pump the clocks up to say 3Ghz there is a noticeable gain in performance which nears 10FPS. Depends on the game however games like crysis I got shit all improvement =\.

Ketxxx on the otherhand is totally off in another direction; the HD3850 is NOT a Hd4850 once you boost clocks; sure you may have gained performance within 3D Mark 06; but thats not a game! The HD3850/70 will not attain HD4850 performance even with massive OC. You will only remove bottlenecks!

3D Mark 06 has become a competiton to grapple onto the best way to get a higher score even if its not logical. Anyway 3D Mark scores depend on the two factors the CPU and GPU. Just remember that the GPU score is more heavily weighted versus to CPU score.


If you want to see how a cpu really effects games, you have to run games. Or at least time demos of games.

Using Crysis as an example on my AMD 6400+ rig with a stock Palit 8800GT 1GB. There was less than a 1fps difference between 2GHz and 3.2GHz.


Use more than one game. A game engine as inefficient as cryengine 2 isn't really a valid place to base conclusions off :p.

[Wile E]

Somewhat correct, but with that framerate difference you are heavily understating it. Without bottlenecking your scenario and result is correct.

HOWEVER. In my case any C2D around less than 2Ghz that is used with the 8800GT (or HD3850; I used it once) gives me rather bottlenecked performance; in game its very noticeable. Once you pump the clocks up to say 3Ghz there is a noticeable gain in performance which nears 10FPS. Depends on the game however games like crysis I got shit all improvement =\.
I tested on a 6400+ X2 at 1.8, 2.0, and 3.2. Using CoD4, and Crysis. Between 2.0 and 3.2 there was only a couple fps difference in both title, at most. The peak was CoD4 with a whopping 3fps. At 1.8, each lost another 1-2fps, give or take. This is at 1920x1200 tho.

Was there a bottleneck? Perhaps. But it doesn't matter, because almost all modern games are too gpu heavy for the cpu to make a huge difference. And even if it does make a huge difference with cards the caliber of the 3800's or 8800's in some games, you're talking about a game or resolution that doesn't tax the card to begin with, and bottlenecked or not it's gonna get so many frames that it doesn't matter in the slightest as far as playability is concerned.

Sure, if I benched at 1024x768, I might see differences on the order of 10fps. But what the hell difference does 10fps make, when you are already getting over 100fps anyway?

My point is, the cpu does not matter in games (within reason. I'm not gonna bolt a 4870 to a p3 rig, obviously. lol.). The gpu is the most important consideration. It's only in some benchmarks that the cpu makes a huge difference, and that is only as far as the score is concerned.

Some benchmarks are better than others as far as the effect of the cpu on the score tho. Clocking from 3.6 to 4.0 on my QX in Vantage before the Physx drivers, I gained a whopping 90pts. After the Physx drivers, clocking from 3.6 to 4.4 netted me 30pts.

[eidairaman1]

AMD managed to fix alot of stuff that was plaguing the 3000 and 2000 line and that was forced hardware settings, also they ditched DDR4 in favor of DDR3 and DDR5.
Somewhat correct, but with that framerate difference you are heavily understating it. Without bottlenecking your scenario and result is correct.

HOWEVER. In my case any C2D around less than 2Ghz that is used with the 8800GT (or HD3850; I used it once) gives me rather bottlenecked performance; in game its very noticeable. Once you pump the clocks up to say 3Ghz there is a noticeable gain in performance which nears 10FPS. Depends on the game however games like crysis I got shit all improvement =\.

Ketxxx on the otherhand is totally off in another direction; the HD3850 is NOT a Hd4850 once you boost clocks; sure you may have gained performance within 3D Mark 06; but thats not a game! The HD3850/70 will not attain HD4850 performance even with massive OC. You will only remove bottlenecks!

3D Mark 06 has become a competiton to grapple onto the best way to get a higher score even if its not logical. Anyway 3D Mark scores depend on the two factors the CPU and GPU. Just remember that the GPU score is more heavily weighted versus to CPU score.




Use more than one game. A game engine as inefficient as cryengine 2 isn't really a valid place to base conclusions off :p.

[Widjaja]

Seems these GPU houses have really died off lately.

Just installed my Sapphire HD4850 due to the release of the 8.7cat and I love it.
Way more stable FPS in games than my 8800GT.
None of this coming up to a busy area and noticing the frame drop stuff.

The Idle temp is a shocker with these cards.
Mine is on average around 68degC.
After a long bout of gaming it's about 72degC idle.
Max load temp gets to 86degC which is a little higher than my X1950pro.
The fan is more audiable than my X1950pro as it tends to adjust more.

[Craigleberry]

so has ati won you back widjaja?

[Widjaja]

so has ati won you back widjaja?

Yes it's a clear win in the way of performance over the 8800GT.
Idles and runs hotter than the 8800GT but I haven't had one issue.

[tkpenalty]

I want a HD4850 T_T

[tkpenalty]

Seems these GPU houses have really died off lately.

Just installed my Sapphire HD4850 due to the release of the 8.7cat and I love it.
Way more stable FPS in games than my 8800GT.
None of this coming up to a busy area and noticing the frame drop stuff.

The Idle temp is a shocker with these cards.
Mine is on average around 68degC.
After a long bout of gaming it's about 72degC idle.
Max load temp gets to 86degC which is a little higher than my X1950pro.
The fan is more audiable than my X1950pro as it tends to adjust more.

I'd buy two sets of zalman ramsinks, then install the VF830. Use 4 for the HD4850 VRM and rest for RAM.

[Craigleberry]

what is the deal with porting physX from nvidia cards and being able to use on the 4850 anyone know about it?

found linky http://www.gizmodo.com.au/tags/ati

[Widjaja]

what is the deal with porting physX from nvidia cards and being able to use on the 4850 anyone know about it?

Does this mean NGO will be realeasing a modded ATi driver which utilizes PhysX in games which use PhysX if it all goes to plan?

The only reason why AMD will be holding out is due to business.
If the game devs stop using Havok, the leasing of Havok would have been a big waste of money.
Another dirty marketing tactic from nVidia like the stupid TWIMTBP log at the start of games subliminaly saying 'buy nVidia' sucker. . . .

But form what I know, there are more memorable games which use Havok.
e.g Oblivion and Bioshock.

[tkpenalty]

woot! might get a HD4850!

[mitsirfishi]

woot! might get a HD4850!

go tk think when i have a few pennies saved before crimbo it might be 2x hd4850's or maybe a 4870 depends on what money i have to treat myself to :toast:

[Widjaja]

woot! might get a HD4850!


I'm happy with my HD4850 because it performs awesome in real world gaming which is what I bought my PC for in the first place, not benchmarks.

Get a HD4850, it's the muttz nutz!:D

[Craigleberry]

those cards are supposedly metting massive gains from using nvidia physx, that will be interesting to see once the drivers get released.

[eidairaman1]

any of yall still have a AGP 1950 Pro? i was wondering about the latest hotfix drivers, aka Cat 8.7 just thing is they state they are for R2K and 3K series cards, i installed them on a 1950 Pro.

[straybeat]

any of yall still have a AGP 1950 Pro? i was wondering about the latest hotfix drivers, aka Cat 8.7 just thing is they state they are for R2K and 3K series cards, i installed them on a 1950 Pro.

The wife has a 256 megger and I have the 512. We're both running the 8.7's on Vista Ultimate and they work fine. I had to get it to make Halo play alright and I just went ahead and did the wife's machine at the same time. We haven't had any problems at all except that the cards both slowed down a bit. I am going to look for a better driver now though since you reminded me. ;)

Mark

[eidairaman1]

i found out my problem was hardware related, after i flashed the bios from HellFire 3EG Rev 2 to Neo Ayeka's Suzuna SX 3.8 B6, i forgot i reset the bios so the clock speed was at 1866/67 (default for a XP-M 2500+) I was playing the game at that speed and it was being choppy, so i upped it back to the speed i had before the bios upgrade and no performance drops, i guess my CPU wasnt feeding the card fast enough.

btw to look for the previous Hotfix Drivers go to NGOHQ.

[Widjaja]

Funny how the hotfix drivers are needed in the 8.x cats.
It's the reason why I stopped updating at 7.12 when I used my X1950pro AGP.
There seemed no need to update anyhow as my system was running brilliantly on the old drivers regardless of the game and how new it is.

[eidairaman1]

Funny how the hotfix drivers are needed in the 8.x cats.
It's the reason why I stopped updating at 7.12 when I used my X1950pro AGP.
There seemed no need to update anyhow as my system was running brilliantly on the old drivers regardless of the game and how new it is.

7.8s and higher were having problems with DX9 on All AGP, i think its because the regular driver didnt have the stuff needed for AGP, such as GART etc. The hotfix drivers are primarily for AGP. with the 3850 that legacy will continue, if ATI were to release a 4850 they would have to continue releasing the hotfix driver.

[Widjaja]

Sooner or later AGP users will have no choice but to upgrade.

There are still alot of people using AGP though.

Embarrasingly the main computer place in town uses AGP with all thier systems except for one which they call thier "TECH" PC.

[tkpenalty]

I seriously have to start bashing AGP users upgrading to the HD4/3k series soon, because of the bottlenecks that such users are subject to.

With the 4850s, keep dreaming guys in all my seriousness the 4850 AGP will never perform faster than what, a X1950PRO on an AGP Prescott system. Its a serious waste of money with the price premium such users are subject to!

AGP Users are better off purchasing NEW hardware, such as CPUs, mobo, RAM, and possibly a GPU around the range of a 8600GT. Okay so maybe it will end up more expensive, but you can still sell the old hardware.


Sidenote; When i get the HD4850, i wonder where my X1950PRO is going to go....

[Widjaja]

I seriously have to start bashing AGP users upgrading to the HD4/3k series soon, because of the bottlenecks that such users are subject to.

With the 4850s, keep dreaming guys in all my seriousness the 4850 AGP will never perform faster than what, a X1950PRO on an AGP Prescott system. Its a serious waste of money with the price premium such users are subject to!

AGP Users are better off purchasing NEW hardware, such as CPUs, mobo, RAM, and possibly a GPU around the range of a 8600GT. Okay so maybe it will end up more expensive, but you can still sell the old hardware.


Sidenote; When i get the HD4850, i wonder where my X1950PRO is going to go....

I do have to admit, it the AGP GPUs should hve stopped at the X1950pro.
This extra added price to AGP is stupid since they are getting lower performance due to the rest of their hardware.

If you are stuck in the AGP situation it will probably be wiser to get a mid range setup which is futureproofed than get a HD4850 AGP.
Which I hope ATi doesn't release.

[wolf]

last time i was here i was on a X1950Pro AGP.... now i'd love to rejoin the ranks with 4870CF :)

for a while i was Nv all the way, then i defected to the dark side, then after much compemplation i decided nvidia was actually way more evil, thus i have been shown the light, and am now back to the light side :P

rock on ATi for making the 48xx series, you have done well.

[Widjaja]

i decided nvidia was actually way more evil, thus i have been shown the light, and am now back to the light side :P

I think the same after the 8800GT.
Ran fast when it did but I experienced driver issues.

Back with AMD/ATi things feel umm stable?

[NeilV]

Hi All,
I've just decided that I need to upgrade my 7600GS (AGP) with something a little beefier. I currently am running a P4 650 @ 4.08 Ghz, 1.5 Gb of Corsair 400Mhz RAM SATAII HDD and XP (32 bit). So, I thought, looking at Good AGP cards, New N/A so ebay provided me with a Club 3D X1950 PRO for £40 including postage, which I was very happy with. However, when it arrived, I discovered that I didn't have a 6 pin PCI-e power cable from my PSU :mad::mad: which is 500W but not a well known brand. I have since ordered a 2 Molex to 6pin converter cable from a seller on ebay but when it arrived it didn't fit. :banghead::banghead:

Could anyone help me and tell me if they have had similar problems with power to their X1950's and if a standard 2 Molex to 6 pin should fit it or whether I need to get the one originally supplied with the card?

I stand here completely surrounded by NO wonderful graphics, listening to all you lucky people with X1950's and am rapt with anticipation.

Thanks in advance

Neil V

[Widjaja]

Hi, NielV welcome to TPU.
I don't understand how the Club 3D X1950pro didn't come packaged with a two 4-pin molex to one 6-pin PCI-E adaptor.

How is this adaptor not fitting?
6 pin and 4 pin are all the same, there's no way it could not fit unless you have them upside down.

[NeilV]

Hi, NielV welcome to TPU.
I don't understand how the Club 3D X1950pro didn't come packaged with a two 4-pin molex to one 6-pin PCI-E adaptor.

How is this adaptor not fitting?
6 pin and 4 pin are all the same, there's no way it could not fit unless you have them upside down.

Sorry, I obviously didn't explain myself very well. The card is a 2nd hand one from ebay as new ones are not available in the UK. The seller did say make sure you have a 6 pin plug which I thought I did have but was mistaken. the converter from a separate ebay seller seems to have a square lug where a shaped one should be and therefore with a bit of force it goes in some way but not enuff I think, because the PC boots up with a "your graphics card is not plugged in to the PSU" message. I blame no-one but myself for not checking the plug situation but was not sure if the connetor on the Club 3D X1950pro might be non-standard.

Thanks for the quick reply.
Neil V

[Widjaja]

Odd.
Did not expect the adpators teeth to be any other shapes.

Something doesn't sound right, they should be all one fit.

I personally would not have forced the 6Pin adaptor in.
Reason being the square tooth might be a + instead of a - which could possibly short the GPU.

You should have contacted the seller of the adaptor and said the adaptor you sent me has different shaped teeth to the connection on my GPU instead and looked for another adaptor which fitted.

Look at some pics of 6-pin PCI-E conectors and compare them with the oneon the X1950pro to see if it is indeed non-standard.

[snuif09]

can i be in the club too :D

[NeilV]

Hi All,
After careful study of the 6 pin connectors on line I decided that the top-middle pin should have a rounded bottom but on my cable was square, so a little CAREFUL slicing with a pallet knife & I had a connector that fitted in to the slot. I plugged it all together and powered up, my post was OK. I went in to windows, waited for all my startup programs to load (cos I can't remember how to stop that happening:rolleyes:) got a message that new hardware was installed, I had already inserted the CD with the drivers on but I was a created disk by the ebay seller & I couldn't install from it so I pressed cancel & POP the monitor goes in to power save, the PC is still running but no Video output.

I've tried going in to safe mode to remove the drivers but I never get enough time in windows before it GOES. It will sit in the bios screen for as long as you like but windows just kills it, I have a 500W PSU, I've even tried removing all non-essentials like 2nd HDD, DVD Player, Interior Case lights but no good. I have re-seated all connectors making sure all pins were straight.

If it happened in game I could see that it might be PSU but in windows???? my previous card was a 7600GS should I remove the drivers whilst I still have that card in (so I can see what I'm doing!!)

HELP!!!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

[Wile E]

Hi All,
After careful study of the 6 pin connectors on line I decided that the top-middle pin should have a rounded bottom but on my cable was square, so a little CAREFUL slicing with a pallet knife & I had a connector that fitted in to the slot. I plugged it all together and powered up, my post was OK. I went in to windows, waited for all my startup programs to load (cos I can't remember how to stop that happening:rolleyes:) got a message that new hardware was installed, I had already inserted the CD with the drivers on but I was a created disk by the ebay seller & I couldn't install from it so I pressed cancel & POP the monitor goes in to power save, the PC is still running but no Video output.

I've tried going in to safe mode to remove the drivers but I never get enough time in windows before it GOES. It will sit in the bios screen for as long as you like but windows just kills it, I have a 500W PSU, I've even tried removing all non-essentials like 2nd HDD, DVD Player, Interior Case lights but no good. I have re-seated all connectors making sure all pins were straight.

If it happened in game I could see that it might be PSU but in windows???? my previous card was a 7600GS should I remove the drivers whilst I still have that card in (so I can see what I'm doing!!)

HELP!!!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Yeah, you should definitely remove the nVidia drivers first.

[NeilV]

So.... I should remove the nVidia drivers before I remove the card? and could this cause the problems I described?

Thanks for the rapid response by the way!!

[Wile E]

So.... I should remove the nVidia drivers before I remove the card? and could this cause the problems I described?

Thanks for the rapid response by the way!!

Yeah, all kinds of weird things can happen if you don't remove the drivers prior to installing a card from a different manufacturer. Makes sure you run a driver cleaner after uninstalling as well.

[NeilV]

Yeah, all kinds of weird things can happen if you don't remove the drivers prior to installing a card from a different manufacturer. Makes sure you run a driver cleaner after uninstalling as well.

Thank you V.much Wile E.:respect::respect:

I thought it would work long enuff for me to remove them with the new card in. One question though, when I boot in to safe mode surely it's not using the nVidia Drivers.:confused::confused: Or am I incorrect in that assumption. I thought if I could boot into safe mode I could remove all the drivers cos non would be in use. Am I thick or what.:o:o

[Wile E]

Thank you V.much Wile E.:respect::respect:

I thought it would work long enuff for me to remove them with the new card in. One question though, when I boot in to safe mode surely it's not using the nVidia Drivers.:confused::confused: Or am I incorrect in that assumption. I thought if I could boot into safe mode I could remove all the drivers cos non would be in use. Am I thick or what.:o:o

It's not using the NV drivers, but it can still be enough to cause conflicts. On my AMD rig, I just get a blue screen if I don't remove my NV drivers before installing my 2900XT. Even in safe mode.

It may not be your problem at all, but it's worth trying.

[NeilV]

It's not using the NV drivers, but it can still be enough to cause conflicts. On my AMD rig, I just get a blue screen if I don't remove my NV drivers before installing my 2900XT. Even in safe mode.

It may not be your problem at all, but it's worth trying.

You are correct of course. It is better to try that than buy a new PSU or send the card back to the ebay'er I bought it from.

Thanks for your help.:)

[Widjaja]

Oh jeez, the nVidia drivers stick in your systems registry like s**t to a baby's daiper.

I find the nv4disp.dll will still be in the Windows folder regardless of what you do.
I uninstalled the nVidia drivers from one of my OS's and found there was still enough reminants to cause weird things in desktop with the HD4850 and ATi drivers installed.
So I installed the ATi drivers on my other OS which has no nVidia drivers and it runs flawless.

[eidairaman1]

known as a marketing ploy to get you to stick with one company over the other

[kebabs]

About 25 days ago, I RMA'ed my 2900XT and I just recieved a 3870x2 back :D. Shame I've got my eyes open for the 4870x2's so I'll be selling it.

[mitsirfishi]

ordered my hd4870+ arctic s1 tonite whoop :D ill get benching when i recevie it :D

[imperialreign]

planning on 2 4870x2s by the end of the year . . . still working on breaking in these 2 3870s :D

man, though, I'm still kicking myself that I didn't hold out another month. But, at the time, I was able to get these two for $260, which was too good a deal to pass up . . .

if I had known that amonth later the 4850s were going to rock as hard as they would, and the price of the 3870 was going to drop to $130 anyway, I would've waited . . . :ohwell:



well, I can't complain too much.

I'll be running an ass-load of benchmarks this weekend. I should be able to run this Q6600 at 4GHz on air, and MEM at 1900MHz; I intend to run my two 3870s as high as I can get them and will be posting results early next week here and at hwbot.

I'll also run my pair of 1950 PROs at the same CPU speeds as well, and will be posting those results.

If things are going well, I might even dig out my X1300 512MB and have it run the gauntlet, as well as my X700 PRO.

This weekend should be fun :toast:

[Widjaja]

if I had known that amonth later the 4850s were going to rock as hard as they would, and the price of the 3870 was going to drop to $130 anyway, I would've waited . . . :ohwell:


Yeah well thats it.
Not knowing.

Looking at the the futuremark website seems the HD4850s are the most popular.

I was only fortunate the distributor had run out of 8800GTs and gave me the option to get a HD4850 as a replacement.

[Wile E]

About 25 days ago, I RMA'ed my 2900XT and I just recieved a 3870x2 back :D. Shame I've got my eyes open for the 4870x2's so I'll be selling it.

Damn. Looks like I need to blow up my 2900. Maybe they'll send me a 4870. lol.

Slap that bad boy in my slowly coming together LAN rig, and have a nice little setup. With the 1440x900 monitor, it should last quite a while to boot.

[tkpenalty]

someone killed the club :(

[Widjaja]

I guess the fanbois are dieing out at TPU.
nVidia Clubhouse is only a little bit more active than here.

[imperialreign]

well, I hit 4GHz on this quad last weekend (4050MHz); and everything seemed electronically stable - I didn't end up with any BSoD or OC related crashes . . .

but, unfortunantely, I just couldn't keep the cores cool enough for extended benching. I was running into thermal crashes :ohwell: At one point, running wPrime1024, Core 2 reached 103C before shutting down and the inevitable black screen of failure. So, I wasn't able to run long benchmarks.

But, I do have the CPU-Z screenie and a bench result from running SuperPi1M to show 4G was running . . . I know this system will run it now, and am 70% certain my config will prove to be stable once I can keep temps under control.

now to keep my fingers crossed that stoopid stuff won't crop up and suck my frivolous savings dry over the next couple of months that I can get a liquid setup together . . .