Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

[Alcpone]

Should I put some AS5 on my HIS IceQ3 x1950 or leave it? I'm just not sure what HIS uses.

Whats your temps? I doubt they would use crap! But as5 is the best ive used.

[erocker]

my temps are 34-36 idle and 45-50 under load which isn't bad. I would use AS5 immediately, the only thing I'm worried about is that the thermal pads on the memory might lose some of thier effectiveness if I take the cooler off.

[Alcpone]

my temps are 34-36 idle and 45-50 under load which isn't bad. I would use AS5 immediately, the only thing I'm worried about is that the thermal pads on the memory might lose some of thier effectiveness if I take the cooler off.

I would just stick with what youve got, that aint a temp issue u got there, the effectiveness wouldnt be effected at all I dont wreckon, the pads are stuck onto the cooler on my old cooler that I got with mine and not stuck to the modules themselves!

[tkpenalty]

my temps are 34-36 idle and 45-50 under load which isn't bad. I would use AS5 immediately, the only thing I'm worried about is that the thermal pads on the memory might lose some of thier effectiveness if I take the cooler off.

Wow, that is cool (no pun intended). I get higher temperatures... :wtf:
So thats some mixed results... >_>.

[Chewy]

humm I hear the saphire 1950xt`s cooler is loud... is that the same case with ati`s 1950xtx stock cooler? gtg

[Zubasa]

humm I hear the saphire 1950xt`s cooler is loud... is that the same case with ati`s 1950xtx stock cooler? gtg
The Sapphire X1950XT abd XTX coolers are both reference coolers.:respect:

The X1950XT cooler is a bit noisy, it is the old X1900XT/XTX cooler.
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/images/190.jpg

The X1950XTX has the new copper cooler that is similar to the ICEQ3. (It is one of the best reference cooler)
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/images/168.jpg

[new_rez]

Here's my card. Its not actually in UV setup i just have my massive Meter long UV tube next to my case.

HIS ATI
X1950 pro - Turbo edition
256 GDDR3 RAM
Stock speeds
Not in crossfire

Heres a pic
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j158/newrez/11022007473600x450.jpg

Thanks
Harry

[tkpenalty]

Yep, the X1950XT is using the last-generation of dual slot coolers; ones without heatipies and a poor fan design, blowing air in rather than out, dual slot first appeared on the FX5800 series. Its just a huuuuge copper/aluminium contrapment with a fan to blow air in.

The X1950XTX cooler is virtually a red ICEQIII, props to ATI for making such a great stock cooler that won't need to be replaced unless you go for water cooling. Looks damn fine as welll!

[Zubasa]

Yep, the X1950XT is using the last-generation of dual slot coolers; ones without heatipies and a poor fan design, blowing air in rather than out, dual slot first appeared on the FX5800 series. Its just a huuuuge copper/aluminium contrapment with a fan to blow air in.

The X1950XTX cooler is virtually a red ICEQIII, props to ATI for making such a great stock cooler that won't need to be replaced unless you go for water cooling. Looks damn fine as welll!
Woot!
The old cooler actually sucks air in? :ohwell:
It is the one on the X850XT?

[tkpenalty]

Woot!
The old cooler actually sucks air in? :ohwell:
It is the one on the X850XT?

Yes, basically a ripoff of the FX5800... except its inefficient as hell!.

[Stikk]

hey all!

Im back again.. Remember me? I was the one complaining about PSUs? well, i havent bought a new PSU yet, but thats cuz im waiting till payday (25th) to buy one.. Hows everybody doin? I have another question which is not specifically about my X1950PRO but is kind of about video cards so i'll just ask it here if thats ok? If its not ok, feel to tell me off :p

I've just got me a new plasma that im hooking my computer up to. Well, its not new, we did get a new one, but basically im getting the old 42" and i wanna hook it up so i can watch videos and stuff on it. I already have my 6600GT hooked up at the moment (until i have the new PSU) and it's plugged in via S-video. I was just wondering, in order to get the best out of my new(ish) TV, what output should i plug into it? I have the S-video working at the moment, but adjusting the resolution and all that stuff on my computer makes no difference to the screen. When i put it to it's native resolution (852x480) it says its an invalid resolution! Then when i do another widescreen res, it stretches 16:9 videos and keeops the black bars on them :( If i do a resolution like 1024x768 (4:3) it does the same thing! Its really annoying!

My question is this: given the res of the tv is quite low, should i sitck with S-video or should i go with VGA? If i do stick with S-video, how do i make it do widescreen properly without it looking like it's a 4:3 picture stretched?

Thanks
Ollie

[tkpenalty]

...42'' Screen... HOLY CRAP. Use DVI to connect the video. The X1950PRO would probably do bettter.

[tkpenalty]

Anyone got any great ideas on fixing up the fan speed to 100%, 100% of the time?

[Tatty_One]

Anyone got any great ideas on fixing up the fan speed to 100%, 100% of the time?

Yes modify your BIOS and re-flash, I can help!

[Tatty_One]

hey all!

Im back again.. Remember me? I was the one complaining about PSUs? well, i havent bought a new PSU yet, but thats cuz im waiting till payday (25th) to buy one.. Hows everybody doin? I have another question which is not specifically about my X1950PRO but is kind of about video cards so i'll just ask it here if thats ok? If its not ok, feel to tell me off :p

I've just got me a new plasma that im hooking my computer up to. Well, its not new, we did get a new one, but basically im getting the old 42" and i wanna hook it up so i can watch videos and stuff on it. I already have my 6600GT hooked up at the moment (until i have the new PSU) and it's plugged in via S-video. I was just wondering, in order to get the best out of my new(ish) TV, what output should i plug into it? I have the S-video working at the moment, but adjusting the resolution and all that stuff on my computer makes no difference to the screen. When i put it to it's native resolution (852x480) it says its an invalid resolution! Then when i do another widescreen res, it stretches 16:9 videos and keeops the black bars on them :( If i do a resolution like 1024x768 (4:3) it does the same thing! Its really annoying!

My question is this: given the res of the tv is quite low, should i sitck with S-video or should i go with VGA? If i do stick with S-video, how do i make it do widescreen properly without it looking like it's a 4:3 picture stretched?

Thanks
Ollie

What is your TV's max supported resolution? surely it's gotta be more than 1024x 1024 at 42 inches and what input apart from SVideo does the TV have and what output the 6600GT??

[tkpenalty]

*Swears in kanto* Wtf man... why the hell does it give this "Adaptor non existent (or something) ERROR"?

I used Ketxxx's bios.

[Alcpone]

*Swears in kanto* Wtf man... why the hell does it give this "Adaptor non existent (or something) ERROR"?

I used Ketxxx's bios.

Ohh dear, I was abit wary about flashing to ketxxx new fangled bios, as he aint even got his card yet to try it himself!

Nothing against the guy, just would like him to alpha test it first ;)

[Tatty_One]

*Swears in kanto* Wtf man... why the hell does it give this "Adaptor non existent (or something) ERROR"?

I used Ketxxx's bios.

Different manufacturers often have different BIOS settings/anomolies, I can vouch for Ket's knowledge and experience in video BIOS's but there is obviously a setting in your stock BIOS that is different from either the "generic" or Ket's, either way a re-flash will be required, I trust you did save the origional?

[niko084]

How bad is the stock cooler on the Sapphire x1950XT?
I'm thinking about getting one, I wont overclock it at all...

I'm not too worried about loud, I just don't want the thing shooting up 80c...
I have good air flow and will have better with my case as well.

[Stikk]

The TV ius quite old.. The native resolution is 852x480 but when i plug my set top box in, it says it's displaying 1920x1080 so i assume it supports that resolution. In the manual, it reckons that it wont display a signal above 1024x768 but i find that hard to believe cuz it is displaying a higher res from my set top box!

As for the inputs, i have s-video, component, normal video (coaxial cable) and VGA (Which it calls RGB). As i have it at the moment, the computer (6600GT) is connected via s-video, the set top box is connected via VGA and the DVD player is component.. It doesnt have DVI, unfortunately, so im thinking i will have to use VGA. This means i need a switch thinggy to switch between the comp and the STB, can anyone recommend one? I like the Belkin flip, but its pretty pricey!

[Ketxxx]

I'm back to the red team, X1950Pro here. Now lets figure out why the X1950 series seemingly has its BIOS locked. If anyone wants details jus PM me. In a nutshell tho, for some reason device ID, subsystem ID and subvendor ID are locked. On closer inspection of the BIOS memory timings also appear to vary quite dramatically from vendor to vendor, lastly, Its time the mystery is solved why any attempted OC results in WORSE performance, apart from, when Overdrive is used (which isnt good.. overdrive sucks) methinks ATi are hiding something with their X1950 Pros

ed- ah yes, and if anyone is having inexplicable game lockups with their X1950 card, change your memory latency, for example if its set to 5ns, set 6ns and that should fix it, im not sure what the deal is with that quirk, but that should fix it.

[PacAce]

I want to be a member of your ultra-elite club. I just dont know what kind of x1950 I should get. Is Sapphire better than Diamond? Does anyone know. Can anyone tell me? Well one day I'll submit a photo and go through the necessary hazing to be able to call myself a member. Any input would be appreciated.:cool:

[Alcpone]

I'm back to the red team, X1950Pro here. Now lets figure out why the X1950 series seemingly has its BIOS locked. If anyone wants details jus PM me. In a nutshell tho, for some reason device ID, subsystem ID and subvendor ID are locked. On closer inspection of the BIOS memory timings also appear to vary quite dramatically from vendor to vendor, lastly, Its time the mystery is solved why any attempted OC results in WORSE performance, apart from, when Overdrive is used (which isnt good.. overdrive sucks) methinks ATi are hiding something with their X1950 Pros

ed- ah yes, and if anyone is having inexplicable game lockups with their X1950 card, change your memory latency, for example if its set to 5ns, set 6ns and that should fix it, im not sure what the deal is with that quirk, but that should fix it.

Sooo thats the reason w1zz is having problems getting atitool up and running with the pro's...

It all becomes clear with that explanation!

[DOM]

I want to be a member of your ultra-elite club. I just dont know what kind of x1950 I should get. Is Sapphire better than Diamond? Does anyone know. Can anyone tell me? Well one day I'll submit a photo and go through the necessary hazing to be able to call myself a member. Any input would be appreciated.:cool:

which 1950's are looking at GT,Pro, XT, XTX

[Alcpone]

I want to be a member of your ultra-elite club. I just dont know what kind of x1950 I should get. Is Sapphire better than Diamond? Does anyone know. Can anyone tell me? Well one day I'll submit a photo and go through the necessary hazing to be able to call myself a member. Any input would be appreciated.:cool:

I have the sapphire card and its given me no hassles whatsoever, apart from no being able to clock it with anything but overdrive, which I got it to what I run it 24/7 - 621/796

Never really heard anything about diamond before, think they are just for sale in the u.s.a!

[PacAce]

I want a pro with 512Mb that will requiere a single slot.

[Alcpone]

I want a pro with 512Mb that will requiere a single slot.

What resolution do you want to run @?

[PacAce]

I want a x1950 pro because I want 512Mb. But if push comes to shove then a 256gt could happen but I want the larger amount of memory. I also only have one slot to use.

[PacAce]

My monitor maxs out at 1280 by 1024

[Ketxxx]

Sooo thats the reason w1zz is having problems getting atitool up and running with the pro's...

It all becomes clear with that explanation!

Indeed, it seems ATi have been real bastards for some reason, well not ATi, I would place blame in the direction of AMD, I guess their happy to let nVidia take the graphics OC WR speed crow permanently :rolleyes:

morons.

[DOM]

I want a x1950 pro because I want 512Mb. But if push comes to shove then a 256gt could happen but I want the larger amount of memory. I also only have one slot to use.

your from the USA? right? here you go
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCompare.asp?Category=38&N=2010380048+1069609641+1068310557+106790809+10679 24896&Submit=ENE&Nty=1&SubCategory=48&CompareItemList=N82E16814153035%2CN82E16814161061% 2CN82E16814103022

[Alcpone]

Indeed, it seems ATi have been real bastards for some reason, well not ATi, I would place blame in the direction of AMD, I guess their happy to let nVidia take the graphics OC WR speed crow permanently :rolleyes:

morons.

So might this be a issue with the r600's aswel?

I love my pro as it is and with the rest of my rig it really compliments it, even with a small oc I see slightly more performance!

[Alcpone]

My monitor maxs out at 1280 by 1024

You aint gonna get a massive performance increase with the extra memory @ them resolutions! Might aswel save yourself the money and get a 256Mb card, dont know what the price difference is!

[PacAce]

Yeah I've eyeballed those so much that I've practically ruined my screen. Those all have strong points and weak points, I have to be carefull not to be defeated by my search or I'll end up making a bad decision, every little thing counts. A pro for jetway is it has a vga connector but their con is slightly slower memory (1200 v 1380 thats more than 10%). The Diamond card which costs more has that far out feature called VIVO which is slightly foriegn sounding (like Spanish).

[Alcpone]

Yeah I've eyeballed those so much that I've practically ruined my screen. Those all have strong points and weak points, I have to be carefull not to be defeated by my search or I'll end up making a bad decision, every little thing counts. A pro for jetway is it has a vga connector but their con is slightly slower memory (1200 v 1380 thats more than 10%). The Diamond card which costs more has that far out feature called VIVO which is slightly foriegn sounding (like Spanish).

lol

vivo = video in video out :laugh:

[Ketxxx]

So might this be a issue with the r600's aswel?

I love my pro as it is and with the rest of my rig it really compliments it, even with a small oc I see slightly more performance!

It would appear possible. Somebody really needs to name and shame whoevers retarded idea it was to lock a graphics card BIOS. There aint no faster way to lose face than doing that. Its often us enthusiasts that make their stuff look good as well and ppl think ZOMG! an rush out to buy one, an what do they do in return? treat us like sh!t.

I know what u mean by performance tho, @ stock I score 10043 in 3dm05 and 4400ish in 06 @ stock, while ok, with an OC these cards are capable of, they could utterly own 05 and 06 largely, and basically completely shatter nVidias whole 7xxx series lineup given the X1950Pros performance to price ratio. I mean jesus christ, the core is built on a .08nm process and churns out @ least 575MHz @ 1.3v. Imagine what the core could run at given even a small bump to 1.4v, scary isnt it?

[Alcpone]

It would appear possible. Somebody really needs to name and shame whoevers retarded idea it was to lock a graphics card BIOS. There aint no faster way to lose face than doing that. Its often us enthusiasts that make their stuff look good as well and ppl think ZOMG! an rush out to buy one, an what do they do in return? treat us like sh!t.

I know what u mean by performance tho, @ stock I score 10043 in 3dm05 and 4400ish in 06 @ stock, while ok, with an OC these cards are capable of, they could utterly own 05 and 06 largely, and basically completely shatter nVidias whole 7xxx series lineup given the X1950Pros performance to price ratio. I mean jesus christ, the core is built on a .08nm process and churns out @ least 575MHz @ 1.3v. Imagine what the core could run at given even a small bump to 1.4v, scary isnt it?

If I were to bump my PCIe voltage up in the bios will I see a better oc? Or am I thinking along the wrong lines?

Do you think you will work around the lock or is it a impossibility? :confused:

[Ketxxx]

Wrong lines, by voltage I mean VGPU voltage, which just so happens to be selectable in some X1950Pro BIOS' ;)

AS for a workaround, its software, so its most deffinately possible. The problem comes with identifying which hexadecimal values are choking the card, or ala 9500 scenario, single hexadecimal value.

[Alcpone]

See what you mean :twitch: lol

I will keep an eye out for your forth coming updates and work arounds, if I can get more out this baby then hell I will take it & with my cooling temps aint gonna be a problem!
:toast:

[Ketxxx]

Can I get a BIOS dump of your Sapphire card? :D you can get a dump with ATi tray tools or the old skool way of via ATIflash, or the newbie way of from ATiwinflash.

[Alcpone]

Can I get a BIOS dump of your Sapphire card? :D you can get a dump with ATi tray tools or the old skool way of via ATIflash, or the newbie way of from ATiwinflash.

No worries, att wouldnt do it, came up with cant dump r5xx! Will sort it now ;)

[Ketxxx]

Sweet :D

[Alcpone]

Does this look right to you?

[Ketxxx]

yep, jus save and attach here :D btw if u know anyone with a sapphire ultimate 512mb bios, id love to get a look at that too ;)

[Alcpone]

yep, jus save and attach here :D btw if u know anyone with a sapphire ultimate 512mb bios, id love to get a look at that too ;)

What file am I looking for to save? lol

[Alcpone]

Sorry, im tired going to bed now! Here the bios :laugh:

[Ketxxx]

just click save, put a filename in and thats it, should dump an image of your bios

[Ketxxx]

Sorry, im tired going to bed now! Here the bios :laugh:

u forgot to attach it :p

[Stikk]

Hey i have a question about VIVO

Does my card support it? I have a funny feeling it doesnt, but if it does, that'd be awesome.. I have a 256mb X1950 Pro from Power Color.. Anyone know?

Thanks
Ollie

[tkpenalty]

Yes it does, if it came with those SVIDEO Connectors, then it is a yes. Note: Sapphire's X1950PRO Ultimate does NOT come with the Rage Theatre 200 Chip. The Powercolor X1950PRO Extreme does however:

List on ATI Rage theatre 200 Avaliability (X1950PRO):
Models with the chip:
-Powercolor X1950PRO Extreme
-Powercolor X1950PRO
-ASUS X1950PRO

Models without the chip:
-Sapphire X1950PRO Ultimate
-Gigabyte X1950PRO (VF700 ALCU Model).

Help me expand the list please =D.

EDIT: GUYS STOP DISSING ATI/AMD

Its nothing to do with the bios lock, its just something weird with my motherboard. It goes "ERROR Adapter 0 Not found" So which adapter would my X1950PRO be? I honestly think its something to do with my motherboard.

[tkpenalty]

How do I get the VRM Cooling unit? I haven't got a reply from Arctic Cooling nor from Powercolor! Someone said it would be free.

[Stikk]

Hey tkpenalty, thanks for the tip. Just to clear things up, my card is AGP, does it still support VIVO? It did come with the S-video connectors, but i think i read somewhere that it didnt support VIVO.. Im really hoping it does, it'll save me from buying a whole other card cuz i was gonna invest in a capture card for this very puropse..

Interestingly, it says on the box that it supports AVIVO.. What the hell is that? Is that like ADVANCED vidio in/video out?! Cuz that'd be even more awesome :p

thanks
Ollie

[tkpenalty]

AVIVO is VIVO, but isn't VIVO. If it came with a S-Video input and analog output, then it HAS AVIVO. Guys who go it doesn't support VIVO are making up FUD.

EDIT: Just ordered the VRM Cooling unit... (teeming with excitement on a piece of metal; someone needs to get a life *rolls eyes* I wonder who that may bee :wtf:).

So my GPU will look pimp with it as well (making damage during installation nearly impossible), heres the link for all you AcceleroX2 + X1950PRO owners who needs a better overclock on the core as well as a longer GPU life span

http://cgi.ebay.com/VR-Heat-Spreader-Module-for-ATI-X1950Pro_W0QQitemZ270089009786QQihZ017QQcategoryZ8 0151QQcmdZViewItem

[Alcpone]

u forgot to attach it :p

Was that the wrong file I uploaded?

[Ketxxx]

nvm, u edited the post :p

[Ketxxx]

Its nothing to do with the bios lock, its just something weird with my motherboard. It goes "ERROR Adapter 0 Not found" So which adapter would my X1950PRO be? I honestly think its something to do with my motherboard.

Its not your mobo, I tested Flashrom myself and it does the same thing.

[Tatty_One]

Seems like hard work to me! although I know that the likes of Ket like a challenge :D You fanboyz should have taken my advice and gone for the cheaper 7900GS and overclocked the sh*t outta it.....but then I would say that :laugh: Pretty coolers are no substitute for overclocking potential! :laugh:

Nevertheless, nice card, nice drivers, nice looks, good performance just challenging!

[Alcpone]

Seems like hard work to me! although I know that the likes of Ket like a challenge :D You fanboyz should have taken my advice and gone for the cheaper 7900GS and overclocked the sh*t outta it.....but then I would say that :laugh: Pretty coolers are no substitute for overclocking potential! :laugh:

Nevertheless, nice card, nice drivers, nice looks, good performance just challenging!

Be gone from here ye nvidia Kretin :laugh: ;)

[Ketxxx]

The 1950Pro actually OCs a lot, @ 1.3v I can take my 1950 to 632MHz from 575, with 1.4v im sure 680 - 700 is likely possible. Memory likely OCs good too, but cant fully test that.. yet.

[Batou1986]

do you guys think my current system <see specs. would bottleneck an HIS Iceq3 with 512mb agp if i bought a psu with 22a rails

Because if it wouldn't be a serious issue then i can join the clubhouse:toast:


don't flame the 512mb it might not make a difference in games now but who knows whats next and i figure more is all ways better

[Ketxxx]

u shouldnt be bottlenecked too much

[Batou1986]

i might be able to squeeze some more mhz out of my sandy possibly to 2.6 if my arctic cooler ever gets here im figuring thats the only bottle neck i can push the ram to 440 stable now

[Tatty_One]

Be gone from here ye nvidia Kretin :laugh: ;)

:eek:

6 cards owned.........4 ATi......2 Nvidia......(just warranty returned a 1800XT)...... ATI Kretin if you dont mind! Only have the 7900GTO because when I bought it the 1950Pro had just come out and the GTO was cheaper at £149.99 than any other 512MB 1950Pro I could find on release, no simultaneous HDR/AA I know.....but faster.....ohhhh yes!

Ohhh and I look in at the club from time to time purely because they dont make the 1800XT anymore, my warranty options will prob be a cash refund or a 256MB 1950XT, and that would qualify me to join! Prob would keep the 7900GTO tho and flea bay the 1950XT, not sure yet, I like the 512MB.

[Zubasa]

:eek:

6 cards owned.........4 ATi......2 Nvidia......(just warranty returned a 1800XT)...... ATI Kretin if you dont mind! Only have the 7900GTO because when I bought it the 1950Pro had just come out and the GTO was cheaper at £149.99 than any other 512MB 1950Pro I could find on release, no simultaneous HDR/AA I know.....but faster.....ohhhh yes!

Ohhh and I look in at the club from time to time purely because they dont make the 1800XT anymore, my warranty options will prob be a cash refund or a 256MB 1950XT, and that would qualify me to join! Prob would keep the 7900GTO tho and flea bay the 1950XT, not sure yet, I like the 512MB.
May be you can get the X1950XT 512MB if you pay for the price difference.:D

[Tatty_One]

The 1950Pro actually OCs a lot, @ 1.3v I can take my 1950 to 632MHz from 575, with 1.4v im sure 680 - 700 is likely possible. Memory likely OCs good too, but cant fully test that.. yet.

But you can buy a 195Pro off the shelf at 680+ core/810 memory anyways, so thats not really challenging! now I am sure that will rocket and surpass ANYTHING a 7900GS overclocked can offer by some margin....hey I am saying good things about my favorite card manufacturer!

[Tatty_One]

May be you can get the X1950XT 512MB if you pay for the price difference.:D

Very true! or I could go a bit more and get the 1950XTX........where does it all end? :ohwell:

[Ketxxx]

But you can buy a 195Pro off the shelf at 680+ core/810 memory anyways, so thats not really challenging! now I am sure that will rocket and surpass ANYTHING a 7900GS overclocked can offer by some margin....hey I am saying good things about my favorite card manufacturer!

It is when those cards probably have 1.5v going to their VGPU :p Besides, @ £113 nuttin can top that price for my 1950Pro :D

[Stikk]

AVIVO is VIVO, but isn't VIVO. If it came with a S-Video input and analog output, then it HAS AVIVO. Guys who go it doesn't support VIVO are making up FUD.

Huh? It is but it isnt? I'm somewhat confused.. It defniately came with an S-Video connector, which is like S-video to component and RCA and all that, but i havent tested anything cuz i dont have my new PSU yet so yeah, still waiting to get paid :p

If my card does support VIVO (i hope it does) what program do i use to get the video off my camcorder to my computer? (The camcorder is an old skool 8mm so its not digital, which is why I'm hoping my card has VIVO)

Thanks
Ollie

[tkpenalty]

Google is your friend.

[Stikk]

Google is your friend.

Google is not my friend! I have looked a lot on google, trying to figure this avivo thing out.. Seems ATI have done it purely to confuse people! From what i can tell, it has nothing to do with VIVO at all and it doesnt look like the AGP version of the X1950 Pro supposts it at all.. Am i wrong? Cuz this is the information google has given me.. Im also confused by your "AVIVO is VIVO, but isn't VIVO" Comment!

[Tatty_One]

It is when those cards probably have 1.5v going to their VGPU :p Besides, @ £113 nuttin can top that price for my 1950Pro :D

Lol found a 512MB Connect 3D 1950pro for £99.99 clearance deal last night, just cant remember where I found it, think I saved it as a faverite on my PC but I am work now so will check tonite.

[Tatty_One]

Google is not my friend! I have looked a lot on google, trying to figure this avivo thing out.. Seems ATI have done it purely to confuse people! From what i can tell, it has nothing to do with VIVO at all and it doesnt look like the AGP version of the X1950 Pro supposts it at all.. Am i wrong? Cuz this is the information google has given me.. Im also confused by your "AVIVO is VIVO, but isn't VIVO" Comment!

OK, will this help?:

http://www.videoforums.co.uk/guide-analogue-67.htm

And if you want to try out some free MPeg/capture software go here, look down the page, there are actually some excellent guides and software suggestions:

http://faq.arstechnica.com/?i=4

It may at least be a starting point for you.

[tkpenalty]

Oh geez... I fear W1zzard is cutting slack on the X1950PRO Overclockability.

When will he release the next version? :cry:

[Tatty_One]

Oh geez... I fear W1zzard is cutting slack on the X1950PRO Overclockability.

When will he release the next version? :cry:

When the club members have all sold their cards :D

[tkpenalty]

Yep... I think hes slacking off :shadedshu

[Ketxxx]

In case some folk havent thought of it.. RAMsinks work equally as effectively :p the VRMs really dont need sinking until the card is given extra voltage tho.

[Ketxxx]

Lol found a 512MB Connect 3D 1950pro for £99.99 clearance deal last night, just cant remember where I found it, think I saved it as a faverite on my PC but I am work now so will check tonite.

Mine was £113 inc vat an delivery :p

[Tatty_One]

Mine was £113 inc vat an delivery :p

Very nice!, the £99 offer has gone, it was prob one of those ploys to get interest, or they had just one on offer, they are back up to £139.99 now.

[tkpenalty]

Tatty_One, you can join even if you don't have a X1950 yet.

[freeboy]

ok His 1950 Pro 256 nice card.. System 500 wt, 2gig ram amd duo core 60fx chip 2.6
very very stable and cool, if the ati temps are reading correctly I cannot get this past 42c, comes factory overclocked.. I am a happy camper

[tkpenalty]

lol... Damn you US/UK guys and your cool climate!

[Zubasa]

OMG~~~~!:banghead:
I think my X1950Pro is dead:cry: :cry:

Now the card simply could not boot.:shadedshu

Um... Where is the X1600 clubhouse?:respect:

[tkpenalty]

...What did you do to it :slap: ?

Walk to the sapphire factory and tell them to repair it.

:shadedshu what temps were you getting before it "died" (or part of your motherboard fried).

[Zubasa]

It was a very humid day when it died...:(
Its so humid that everything feels sticky:shadedshu

[tkpenalty]

RMA. Just send it to Sapphire to get it fixed.

[tmarkala]

Hi! I want to by x1950 pro AGP version... I can choos between these two models:

sapphire x1950 pro 512 MB
http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overview.php?gpid=168&grp=2

club3D x1950 pro 256 MB
http://www.club-3d.com/productshow_vga.php?gpu_brand=ATI&ordercode=CGA-P1956&show=AGP&p=&filter=&l=en

Price is the same and they both have 2 years waranty! Which one would you recomend? And could my PSU be enough?! 12V/15A?

Zubasa, is your sapphire really dead?

[Ketxxx]

try and find a xpertvision 1950Pro, it doesnt use that damn stupid Vitec chip that u can fry an egg on, the xpertvision 1950Pro has had its VRM redone, no heat, no fuss :cool:

[Alcpone]

Just for a experiment I thought I would flash back to stock bios and run some benchies!

Well, it wont have it, it says p/n mismatch, which I can kinda understand considering the bios I have now is for a sapphire card, but has a voltage table, which mine didnt! Is there anyway round this message I get to get it back to stock so I can do so comparisons? :confused:

[Ketxxx]

use atiflash from a dos bootdisk

[Alcpone]

use atiflash from a dos bootdisk

I dont know where to start with atiflash! Could you do it @ your end and send the file for floppy? I dont know how it works? :confused:

[technicks]

For those who have a voltage regulator overheating problem with the Sapphire X1950 Pro. Maybe this would help a bit.:toast:

My card also get's a bit warm when playing for longer times.
So i took out the dremel and cut a heatsink in two pieces.
After sanding it down a bit i taped them on. Worked great.
I checked with the temps before and after and the card is 3*C cooler.:D

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6383&stc=1&d=1171835493

[freeboy]

just a note to those who are concerned about temps and interested in upgrading to a 1950, My HIS arctic 3 1950pro runs very cool.. highest I have had it is when the space heater was ,oops, pointed at the computer air intake and it went up to 42C.. Playing some graphiuc intense games will not budge this monsterheatsinked card, comes nicely overclocked from the factory too! 224.00 with 256m from Tigerdirect

[DOM]

wheres the voltage regulator on the X1950XT ??
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5251&d=1167142487

cuz is 58c hot for the VR cuz heres a pic just after runing ATITool for almost 7mins

[technicks]

just a note to those who are concerned about temps and interested in upgrading to a 1950, My HIS arctic 3 1950pro runs very cool.. highest I have had it is when the space heater was ,oops, pointed at the computer air intake and it went up to 42C.. Playing some graphiuc intense games will not budge this monsterheatsinked card, comes nicely overclocked from the factory too! 224.00 with 256m from Tigerdirect

Yeah that is the best version off the X1950 pro that has come out untill now imo.
They should sell the coolers separate from the cards. :)

[technicks]

wheres the voltage regulator on the X1950XT ??
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5251&d=1167142487

cuz is 58c hot for the VR cuz heres a pic just after runing ATITool for almost 7mins


Here i think.

http://img.techpowerup.org/070218/card.jpg

[DOM]

how hot is to hot for the VR?

[Alcpone]

use atiflash from a dos bootdisk

Worked it out after a few hickups, found that I got a extra 100 3dmarks06 with your modded bios!

;)

[tkpenalty]

58*C is okay, they are designed to take temps in the 90s, HOWEVER, the HIS model has one major problem, no air is blowing on the VRMs.
On the non iceQ model (rare), there is air blowing on it however.

[Zubasa]

There are air blowing on the VRMs, but thats gona be hot air...
It will be much better if that cooler blows out of the case.

Btw, you need to update the fist page, change the status from Fully Working to Fully Dead:cry:

[tkpenalty]

So Zubasa, any news on your X1950PRO?

[Zubasa]

So Zubasa, any news on your X1950PRO?
So far so dead:banghead:
And I need to wait till Friday to return my X1950Pro...
Last time it took around 15 minutes and they got me a new card.

[tkpenalty]

Don't you live near the sapphire factory =_=?

[Zubasa]

Don't you live near the sapphire factory =_=?
I live near their sales agent.:p
So basically I return the card to them.
But right now it is the Chinese New Year break.:respect:

[Pinchy]

That explains it :p

Happy Chinese New Year!

[Zubasa]

I would have been a happy one if my X1950Pro did not die on me.:o

[Pinchy]

At least you wont have to wait WEEKS for it ;)

[Zubasa]

True.
Right now I am doing fine on my X1600Pro flash to 600/450Mhz.

[Pinchy]

wow an X1600 for a backup card...thats pretty good

[tmarkala]

common guys, please answer... is this a good card?

http://www.club-3d.com/productshow_vga.php?gpu_brand=ATI&ordercode=CGA-P1956&show=AGP&p=&filter=&l=en

has any body heard of it?
as I can see, it looks the same as powercolor's... it has the same cooler...

[Zubasa]

wow an X1600 for a backup card...thats pretty good
I have a 7300GS as a backup backup card:p
I couldn't survive with out games.:respect:

[Zubasa]

common guys, please answer... is this a good card?

http://www.club-3d.com/productshow_vga.php?gpu_brand=ATI&ordercode=CGA-P1956&show=AGP&p=&filter=&l=en

has any body heard of it?
as I can see, it looks the same as powercolor's... it has the same cooler...
It is pretty much a regular X1950Pro with Accelero X2.
How much you are going to pay for it?

[Pinchy]

common guys, please answer... is this a good card?

http://www.club-3d.com/productshow_vga.php?gpu_brand=ATI&ordercode=CGA-P1956&show=AGP&p=&filter=&l=en

has any body heard of it?
as I can see, it looks the same as powercolor's... it has the same cooler...

its similar to powercolors cooler...but its gotta be different because powercolor created their own cooler, although it looks pretty good.

whats the price difference between that and the powercolor?

EDIT - LMAO Zubasa got there before me :p

[Zubasa]

The PowerColor X1950 Pro Extreme also uses the Accelero X2, tkp has it.
Btw, so far I haven't seen any GTs around.:wtf:
(O.O this is my 700th post lol)

[tmarkala]

well, it's about 300 dolars here... i'm from Croatia...
there is no powercolor agp version on our market so i can't compare...
i can only choos between that and the sapphire zubasa have! this one is 256 MB and the Sapphire is 512 MB... price is the same!

see you later guys, I have to run to work!!!!

[technicks]

You don't need a 512 mb one, unless you play at high resolution. ;)

[Frick]

You don't need a 512 mb one, unless you play at high resolution. ;)

What's a high resolution? I've always wondered.. 1600*1200 and above or is 1280*1024 high res too?

[technicks]

I think 1600x1200 and above.:)

[Pinchy]

depends on monitor size too.

I got the 512mb and i play on 19" 1280x1024. Doesnt make a diff from 256mb. BUT, i hook up my PC to my television, so the 512mb helps there :)

Oh and 512mb is better if you have less RAM

[Zubasa]

Normal Television has very low resolution....
Only if you have a HDTV it makes a difference.

[Frick]

depends on monitor size too.

I got the 512mb and i play on 19" 1280x1024. Doesnt make a diff from 256mb. BUT, i hook up my PC to my television, so the 512mb helps there :)

Oh and 512mb is better if you have less RAM

Does it? Is there a difference between 1280*1024 at a 17'' monitor and a 19'' monitor?

[Alcpone]

Does it? Is there a difference between 1280*1024 at a 17'' monitor and a 19'' monitor?

No difference from the cards end, just your monitor thats bigger! ;)

[binormalkilla]

I have an HIS X1950 Pro PCI-E, and I was wondering what you guys are getting on OCs. I've been running mine at 661.5/823.5 since I bought it in late November. About a month ago I had this weird artifacting, then it didn't happen for a while.
It has happened a few times lately, so I turned the memory down to 810 MHz. I haven't had it happen for a while, but that doesn't make me feel better because I could play for hours at 823.5, but sometimes the artifacting would happen after 10 minutes in BF2142........go figure.
Anyhow, I was just wondering what you HIS guys were getting.

I ran the artifact scanner for an hour when I first set the OC.

[Alcpone]

I have an HIS X1950 Pro PCI-E, and I was wondering what you guys are getting on OCs. I've been running mine at 661.5/823.5 since I bought it in late November. About a month ago I had this weird artifacting, then it didn't happen for a while.
It has happened a few times lately, so I turned the memory down to 810 MHz. I haven't had it happen for a while, but that doesn't make me feel better because I could play for hours at 823.5, but sometimes the artifacting would happen after 10 minutes in BF2142........go figure.
Anyhow, I was just wondering what you HIS guys were getting.

I ran the artifact scanner for an hour when I first set the OC.

The HIS cards seem to clock the highest out of the lot, but if it doesnt run stable after a few weeks of higher clocks that could be abit of a bummer!

I aint got a HIS card, but my oc is 641/804 ;)

[binormalkilla]

Wow that's pretty high for the Sapphire. I had one with the reference cooler (not the ultimate) and I RMAd it because the VRMs were overheating. I couldn't get the core over 594 MHz without getting a black screen.
That memory you have is rated at 800 MHz max OC compared to mine @ 700, but I've had it stable at 823.5.
I'm wondering if it's a driver problem, as the issue began with the 6.12s I believe. I'm currently running the 7.1 Warcats, so maybe when the 7.2s come out in a few weeks it will go away.

[freeboy]

His artic 3 1950pro 621 741 factory overy clock highest temp seen 41c, 42 when I pointed the heater at it... I am very impressed with the card even at only 256 for mem, and run at high res and see no slowdaown.. have yet to run to hdtv... BUT I could spend some more and return it and get a 512 card. I guess I do not see the point, any thoughts? fyi prive difference is 50.00

[binormalkilla]

You don't need 512 Mb of memory unless you have:
a small amount of system memory
or
you run high resoutions

[freeboy]

Well, running 19x12 with setting set as high as they come in Med tot war 2 and am seeingno lag, I think I have a bunch of cache,like 16? and 2 gig of ram.. if I need to change in the future I can always sell of this card, really love it for cool fast performance!..
I read the h2h performance vs the high end nvidea cards and this one does a great job, the shader teck ati uses is nice... anyway I tried to spend my mony as best I could, building a barebones system, mights have wanted to get a different mobo but at the price I was hapy. thanks again.
FYI from another thread to those catilist users, some art can be traced to not having the most recent windows media player! Strange but true, updating to wmp 11 fixed two minor but annoying bugs I was having..

[Pinchy]

If your not gonna upgrade anytime soon, you may as well go 512mb. Who knows, maybe games in the near future will need it. I mean, look at ATi, they are releasing 1 and 2GB of VRAM on their cards...

[tkpenalty]

^Agreed.

[binormalkilla]

Yea that is true, but I think the reason is that the memory controller is better and the unified shaders can utilize more memory. That's just a guess though. I just know that I've always read that more than 256 Mb on midrange cards isn't necessary due to the memory controller not being able to utilize the extra VRAM.

[tkpenalty]

I'm still waiting for the VRM module... T_T HURRY UP EBAY!

[binormalkilla]

Let me guess......Sapphire X1950 pro! That is the very reason that I RMAd my first X1950. I couldn't get the core past 594 MHz without the screen going black because the VRMs weren't cooled by the reference cooler. I tried to get Sapphire to send me one, and even offered to purchase one, but they wouldn't. So I just RMAd!

[Zubasa]

Let me guess......Sapphire X1950 pro! That is the very reason that I RMAd my first X1950. I couldn't get the core past 594 MHz without the screen going black because the VRMs weren't cooled by the reference cooler. I tried to get Sapphire to send me one, and even offered to purchase one, but they wouldn't. So I just RMAd!
How could I manage to get to 641 if you can't even get pass 594...:respect:
My VRMs really don't get hot at all, they hardly feels warm usually....

[binormalkilla]

LOL I RMAd the Sapphire and got an HIS. :)
This was only an issue on some of the early Sapphires I think. The VRMs weren't in contact with the HS and the lower one was exposed, I think.

[Zubasa]

I returned my Sapphire once and the new one runs cooler.(The bios has better fan speed)
But now someone apperently killed it....
I use the VF-900 and it does not contact anything except the core, but the VRMs don't get hot at all.
So I guess it is not the cooler.

[tkpenalty]

Let me guess......Sapphire X1950 pro! That is the very reason that I RMAd my first X1950. I couldn't get the core past 594 MHz without the screen going black because the VRMs weren't cooled by the reference cooler. I tried to get Sapphire to send me one, and even offered to purchase one, but they wouldn't. So I just RMAd!

No... I just need it to have safer OCs

[Zubasa]

Honestly binormalkilla, don't you see that tkp has a PowerColor with the X2....?
Its right on the sig...

[tkpenalty]

How could I manage to get to 641 if you can't even get pass 594...:respect:
My VRMs really don't get hot at all, they hardly feels warm usually....

Are you sure you know how the VRMs look like? They aren't cooled if you haven't realised. They run extremely hot FYI and aren't those capacitors in rows. Almost every model shares the same problem (except for HIS's IceQIII & Standard X1950PRO)).

[Tatty_One]

If your not gonna upgrade anytime soon, you may as well go 512mb. Who knows, maybe games in the near future will need it. I mean, look at ATi, they are releasing 1 and 2GB of VRAM on their cards...

Games now need it, despite what some with just 256MB might think. For example, you cant even play GRAW on highest settings without 512MB, and again nothing above medium settings at a resolution above 1280 x 1024 without 512MB, people might set higher but the game defaults to medium.

Any fairly modern game, take FEAR for example, when on max settings at just 1680 x 1200 uses upto 205MB of system memory at any given time if you are using a 256MB card, that is a lot of RAM Swap which does reduce frame rates and therefore causes the "jerkiness" and in a game as graphically intensive as FEAR/Oblivion/GRAW etc can mean the difference between playable FPS or not on all but the best cards. Having 256MB cards in those circumstances can easily mean a 15% performance loss, imagine the performance hit if your resolutions were higher!

[Tatty_One]

You don't need 512 Mb of memory unless you have:
a small amount of system memory
or
you run high resoutions

It's not just about the amount of system memory, its about the fact that "swapping" because of a lack of Video memory is so much slower causeing a loss in FPS.

[binormalkilla]

Honestly binormalkilla, don't you see that tkp has a PowerColor with the X2....?
Its right on the sig...
Honestly I don't pay that much attention to sigs

[tkpenalty]

Zubasa, the "Pulse" chip and that "VTEC (or something, the long one) are the main culpruits of heat... they run REAL hot.

[Zubasa]

Zubasa, the "Pulse" chip and that "VTEC (or something, the long one) are the main culpruits of heat... they run REAL hot.
Yes they do get warm.:ohwell:
Its warm but not really that hot...

I guess hot means different for everyone...
(I am used to picking up fresh fries and eat them:p )

[tkpenalty]

I had to heatsink them... apparently they were causing problems... However I am waiting now waiting now waiting now waiting now!!! FOR THE VRM UNIT TO ARRIVE AT MY DOORSTEP NOW (Okay... some initial D music... im so freaking bored).

[Zubasa]

I had to heatsink them... apparently they were causing problems... However I am waiting now waiting now waiting now waiting now!!! FOR THE VRM UNIT TO ARRIVE AT MY DOORSTEP NOW (Okay... some initial D music... im so freaking bored).
Initial D Music~
I have lots of them:D
In all off them, I like 'Rage Your Dream' the most.

[tkpenalty]

No I mean the Eurobeat albums... Somehow they ended up on my PC (shops).

"INTERNET LOL" #RUNNING IN THE 90's# LOLOLOLLOLOL!!!!

Hong Kong's air quality is horrible.. IMHO. Have you been to the actual sapphire factory?

[Zubasa]

Nope, the air up there will be lethal...

Yes I have the Eurobeat Alblums also.;)
The Dave Rodgers ones are nice.
I like them, but I like the mood in the jp themes.

Btw, do you have the Non-Stop Mega Mix?

Space Boy~~~~

[tkpenalty]

Yeah, almost all of them. When are you getting the X1950PRO replaced?

[Zubasa]

Yeah, almost all of them. When are you getting the X1950PRO replaced?
Friday when they get back from the Chinese New Year break.
Damn long break.:shadedshu

[binormalkilla]

Ok anyone know the function of this pulse chip? I'm thinking about heatsinking it, as I've heard several people say it gets hot. I'm going to try to get a hold of an infrared thermometer to see......

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6422&d=1172010729

[Zubasa]

Its either a Pulse or Vtec chip on there...

[binormalkilla]

I know it is the pulse chip, I'm just wondering what the chip does. I see now that there are two of the pulse chips, above and below the VRMs. I'm thinking that these control voltage distribution somehow. From what I've read, these X1950 Pros are the first cards to use a digital VRM interface.

[tkpenalty]

Yes those NEED heatsinking. When the X1950PRO powercolor ships with the VRM plate... that will only be the BEST model.

[binormalkilla]

It seems that mine is under the fan, but it isn't heatsinked. Go figure. Oh well I haven't run into any weird issues that I reported, and I played BF2142 at 623.5/810 for 2 hours tonight, and the ambient temp was 75C.
I'm going to chalk it up to either a driver bug or unstable system memory.

[Pinchy]

Tk, got the backplate yet?

[tkpenalty]

No... Apparently the HIS model doesn't have any VRM cooling... wow-X1950PRO AcceleroX2 rules XD.

The VF900CU DOES NOT whatsoever properly cool the VRMS, btw.

[binormalkilla]

Yea the HISs have VRM cooling. They have a separate heatsink on the right side of the PCB.
You're right though, the VF900 does nothing for the VRMs.
I ordered one and installed it on my Sapphire, thinking that it may cool the VRMs better than the reference cooler, but it would crash immediately upon entering a 3d app. All of the cards have VRM cooling of some sort, they have to or this would happen. Some are better than others. The reason I didn't buy the Powercolor model was that I heard people say that it raised their mobo temps due to the fact that the exhaust is pointed in that direction.
I've spoken to many with X1950 Pros, and the HISs can get the highest clocks by far. If we could only get some more voltage through these using software.........I'm not VModding with a soldering iron!
http://www.bonafidereviews.com/articles/190/images/frontwithnohs.jpg

[tkpenalty]

...I think I should RMA my X1950PRO... its producing huuuge artifacts in Source engine games.. weirdly enough not in BF2 and 2142 though.

EDIT:... Driver related issues.... I figured the 7.1SE sucked.... This problem only occured after I changed the drivers. (SHIT I LOST MY RECIEPT)

[Pinchy]

Ive had pretty high clocks, and ive only used ATi overdrive (not winclick)

Ive gotten 627/797

[Zubasa]

I did not get any problem whatsoever with the VF-900CU.
My VRMs don't seems to have any problems.

[binormalkilla]

I think that the problems were with the first batch of Sapphires. I bought my Sapphire when the cards first came out. I didn't really want another one because a whole boatload of people were having problems at the Sapphire forums, so I just decided to get the one I have now.
I can't wait to get another one!
BTW, here are my 3dmark results:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6423&stc=1&d=1172053458

[tkpenalty]

I think that the problems were with the first batch of Sapphires. I bought my Sapphire when the cards first came out. I didn't really want another one because a whole boatload of people were having problems at the Sapphire forums, so I just decided to get the one I have now.
I can't wait to get another one!
BTW, here are my 3dmark results:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6423&stc=1&d=1172053458

CORRRECT!

[Alcpone]

I think that the problems were with the first batch of Sapphires. I bought my Sapphire when the cards first came out. I didn't really want another one because a whole boatload of people were having problems at the Sapphire forums, so I just decided to get the one I have now.
I can't wait to get another one!
BTW, here are my 3dmark results:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6423&stc=1&d=1172053458

What resolution is that 3dmark set @?

[binormalkilla]

1024*768. I have my TV as a monitor so I can't run anything higher without producing inaccurate results.
I can't remember if the default is 1024*768 or the next step up (can't remember what it is exactly)

BTW the Catalyst 7.2s are out today!

[Alcpone]

1024*768. I have my TV as a monitor so I can't run anything higher without producing inaccurate results.
I can't remember if the default is 1024*768 or the next step up (can't remember what it is exactly)

BTW the Catalyst 7.2s are out today!

That explains your score ;)

Im not sure how your monitor would affect your result, you could set it up for 1280x1024 then disconnect your monitor until the test was finished to compare it with other scores with similar specs to yours then change the res back down!

I wonder if the 7.2's have sorted out the 7.1 issues with clocking :confused:

[binormalkilla]

Running the default resolution doesn't affect the score that much. I can't remember what it was, but I'll run it again sometime and post it. I guess that the card would still render the non-displayed graphics, but I was thinking that it wouldn't be accurate. I dunno.

[Alcpone]

Running the default resolution doesn't affect the score that much. I can't remember what it was, but I'll run it again sometime and post it. I guess that the card would still render the non-displayed graphics, but I was thinking that it wouldn't be accurate. I dunno.

It wont affect the scores at all imo, the gfx card wont know if the monitor is connected or not, I could be wrong but I dont think I am!

I will run a 1024x768 test now and post back the difference for you! ;)

[Alcpone]

Comparison results! ;)

So even though your clocks are higher than mine, my sm.2 & sm.3/hdr scores are higher, I guess that is down to having a better cpu I guess?

[binormalkilla]

Um, my SM2.0 score is 2280 and my HDR/SM3.0 is 2816. Compared to your 2092 & 2333. Your CPU score was higher: mine was 2004 and yours was 2738.
What's up with the merged text on the CPU score? Doing a little Photoshop work on that score are we? LOL JK!
I don't think that you can compare the individual scores with different CPUs, but i'm not sure on that one.

Yea though, your CPU will eat mine for breakfast and sh1t it out before lunch. I wish I had a C2D.........:(

[Alcpone]

Um, my SM2.0 score is 2280 and my HDR/SM3.0 is 2816. Compared to your 2092 & 2333. Your CPU score was higher: mine was 2004 and yours was 2738.
What's up with the merged text on the CPU score? Doing a little Photoshop work on that score are we? LOL JK!
I don't think that you can compare the individual scores with different CPUs, but i'm not sure on that one.

Yea though, your CPU will eat mine for breakfast and sh1t it out before lunch. I wish I had a C2D.........:(

The left pic is my 1280x1024 result, the right is my 1024x768 result! ;)

No cheating here my friend, just pointing out I have a better score than you, I know my C2D is better than yours but I cant explain why my sm2.0 & sm.30 are better than yours when your clocks are higher??? It must be down to the cpu in some way, maybe someone with a idea may pitch in a thought!

:)

[binormalkilla]

Yea that has to be it. I think that the tips say that you can't compare the SM scores with different CPUs.

[Frick]

and again nothing above medium settings at a resolution above 1280 x 1024 without 512MB, people might set higher but the game defaults to medium.

Whew. Great thing I'm stuck to that resolution then. :)

[Tatty_One]

The left pic is my 1280x1024 result, the right is my 1024x768 result! ;)

No cheating here my friend, just pointing out I have a better score than you, I know my C2D is better than yours but I cant explain why my sm2.0 & sm.30 are better than yours when your clocks are higher??? It must be down to the cpu in some way, maybe someone with a idea may pitch in a thought!

:)
To answer your question, it dont matter that his GPU/Mem clocks are higher, your CPU is giving your card so much of a boost it's surpassing his, 2006 is quite CPU dependant, if you both run 2005 you will see a closer run thing as that is less CPU dependant, on my card (7900GTO) if I run 2006 with the CPU at stock but the card at 720/850 it is nowhere near as quick as when I run the card at stock but the CPU at a 50% overclock, its just the way 2006 is.

Even tho on 2005, the difference in score between stock CPU and Overclocked CPU with the same Gfx settings can be between 700 - 1000 points.

[Alcpone]

To answer your question, it dont matter that his GPU/Mem clocks are higher, your CPU is giving your card so much of a boost it's surpassing his, 2006 is quite CPU dependant, if you both run 2005 you will see a closer run thing as that is less CPU dependant, on my card (7900GTO) if I run 2006 with the CPU at stock but the card at 720/850 it is nowhere near as quick as when I run the card at stock but the CPU at a 50% overclock, its just the way 2006 is.

Even tho on 2005, the difference in score between stock CPU and Overclocked CPU with the same Gfx settings can be between 700 - 1000 points.

Thanks for the explanation ;)

So the cpu is very much important in helping the gfx card get that extra edge with sm.

:rockout:

[Pinchy]

Yeah cus in 06, the SM2.0 and 3.0 are graphics AND CPU dependant.

Think about it, when you OC your CPU, you get a higher SM2.0 and 3.0 score ;) (well i do at least :p)

[DOM]

yea with my CPU at stock I get 5707 and when CPU at 3.6Ghz I got 6400's some where in there forgot lol and the card is at stock at both stock CPU and at 3.6GHz but it does go up in SM2,3 when CPU is OCed

[Alcpone]

What I was trying to get at was that even if your cpu is clocked or not, you still get better gfx in sm2.0 & sm3.0 intensive games if it is clocked ;)

[binormalkilla]

The difference b/w 05 and 06 is in regard to the CPU is that it's multi-threaded.

[Tatty_One]

The difference b/w 05 and 06 is in regard to the CPU is that it's multi-threaded.

thats correct but thats not the only difference, the CPU in 2006 plays an integral part in the test and is scored seperatly as such....it is not in 2005 hence 2006 is more CPU biased. I managed to score 6000 2006 points with a single core Athlon!

[binormalkilla]

thats correct but thats not the only difference, the CPU in 2006 plays an integral part in the test and is scored seperatly as such....it is not in 2005 hence 2006 is more CPU biased. I managed to score 6000 2006 points with a single core Athlon!

NICE!
Is that with your 7900 GTO? BTW, does that card have the same Samsung memory chips as the 7900GS (or GT can't remember)? If so, then we have the same ICs. I was wondering what your max stable OC is with those. Here is a link for you to compare if you don't know, though I'm sure you do. You seem knowledgeable.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/GraphicsMemory/GDDR3SDRAM/256Mbit/K4J55323QG/K4J55323QG.htm
The ones that I have (and the 7900GS has) are the BC14s
I'm running mine at 823 and several others are at XtremeSystems forums.

I wish that I could combine my cooler and stock OC with the Sapphire's memory, they have the 1.2 ns access time chips rated at max 800 MHz. Hell I could get those bad boys up to 900 MHz I bet. Maybe even more with more voltage.

I just found this. This guy got them to 870 MHz :eek:

[leopr]

Finally got today my PowerColor X1950Pro Extreme 512, i was reading about the VRM temps, should i add some ram skins there if i want to OC or i will be under a risk if oc with those VRM without cooling?

It Runs pretty cool, 34 idle 33 env temp.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7379/x1950pcolorch9.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x1950pcolorch9.jpg)

[binormalkilla]

I'm not sure, but I think that the Powercolor's have VRM heatsinks, but they're just not very high quality. I know some guys at Overclock.net that have gotten some pretty high OCs with that card. You may want to make sure that you have some good case cooling (with the wind-tunnel effect) because that cooler's exhaust is aimed at the motherboard. Some people have reported northbridge temps rising by 5C with that card OCed.

BTW are you using ATI Tray Tools for memory overclocking? I have to use Rivatuner for my memory. If you use overdrive for memory OCing it can actually make your 3dmark scores go down!

[leopr]

I'm not sure, but I think that the Powercolor's have VRM heatsinks, but they're just not very high quality. I know some guys at Overclock.net that have gotten some pretty high OCs with that card. You may want to make sure that you have some good case cooling (with the wind-tunnel effect) because that cooler's exhaust is aimed at the motherboard. Some people have reported northbridge temps rising by 5C with that card OCed.

BTW are you using ATI Tray Tools for memory overclocking? I have to use Rivatuner for my memory. If you use overdrive for memory OCing it can actually make your 3dmark scores go down!

I was using the latest version of ATi Tray Tools but it gave me crash problems, right now using the latest beta, seems fine at least according to Ray Adams, the creator, it supports X1950Pro now.

The VRM on my card are like those on the VR-Zone review.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4190&s=6

I could try get some Zalman Ram Skins, its no problem, but worth ? It will help ?.

[Alcpone]

I was using the latest version of ATi Tray Tools but it gave me crash problems, right now using the latest beta, seems fine at least according to Ray Adams, the creator, it supports X1950Pro now.

The VRM on my card are like those on the VR-Zone review.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4190&s=6

I could try get some Zalman Ram Skins, its no problem, but worth ? It will help ?.

What version of ATT you got? The latest I can find is 1.2.6.964 :confused:

[leopr]

http://atitray.fangel.ru/b1/attsetup.exe

ATi Tray Tools 1.3.6.1000, beta of course but supports X1950Pro it seems.

[binormalkilla]

I'm running v 1.2.6.996
Get it here:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=206455

Oh thanks for linking that version of ATT. I'm about to install now.

BTW, I would suggest getting these Swiftech MC14s:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835108071
I have them on my VRMs on my motherboard to keep them nice and cool.
Don't listen to the noobs on newegg.com reviews, they don't know what they're talking about.
I used these on a surface area of 1/4 the ramsink and they stick fine.

[Alcpone]

http://atitray.fangel.ru/b1/attsetup.exe

ATi Tray Tools 1.3.6.1000, beta of course but supports X1950Pro it seems.

;)

[leopr]

I'm running v 1.2.6.996
Get it here:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=206455

Oh thanks for linking that version of ATT. I'm about to install now.

BTW, I would suggest getting these Swiftech MC14s:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835108071
I have them on my VRMs on my motherboard to keep them nice and cool.
Don't listen to the noobs on newegg.com reviews, they don't know what they're talking about.
I used these on a surface area of 1/4 the ramsink and they stick fine.

No problem.

About the Ram Skins, since i dont live in USA, actually because of my work i live half year on Israel and the other half on USA, but right now i am on Israel :laugh: , anyway, those Swiftech Ram skins are not on stock but i can get the Zalman ones, they are blue, metalic blue, should be ok ? I dont even know if it is needed but if it makes the card 'feel' better, why not :laugh:

[binormalkilla]

Those should work fine. If you are going to get some for you memory, I would wait and order those swiftechs. They are great!
Also, those Zalman's are made from aluminum, whereas the Swiftechs are forged copper. Not to mention the MASSIVE surface are that those tall, thin cylinders provide.

[leopr]

Those should work fine. If you are going to get some for you memory, I would wait and order those swiftechs. They are great!
Also, those Zalman's are made from aluminum, whereas the Swiftechs are forged copper. Not to mention the MASSIVE surface are that those tall, thin cylinders provide.

But as far i see, the Accelero X2 covers the memory chips right ?, i got the PowerColor 512Mb Extreme.

I can wait 3-4 days for the Swiftechs, not a big deal.

[binormalkilla]

Yea they cover the memory chips, I see in that pic that they have thermal pads between the cooler and the memory.
I was just saying in case you decide to go with a new cooler and separate RAMsinks.

BTW if you wait for those Swiftechs, you can use two on your VRMs: one for the memory VRM and one for the GPU VRM.
You can use the other ones for your motherboard. I put mine on the VRMS for the CPU, RAM, and other areas where they will fit.

WOA I hope you reseated the GPU with some Arctic Silver 5 because they gooped on the thermal paste like crazy! Look at that it's insane!http://resources.vr-zone.com/yantronic/1950pro/thermalpower/tim.jpg

[leopr]

Yea they cover the memory chips, I see in that pic that they have thermal pads between the cooler and the memory.
I was just saying in case you decide to go with a new cooler and separate RAMsinks.

BTW if you wait for those Swiftechs, you can use two on your VRMs: one for the memory VRM and one for the GPU VRM.
You can use the other ones for your motherboard. I put mine on the VRMS for the CPU, RAM, and other areas where they will fit.

WOA I hope you reseated the GPU with some Arctic Silver 5 because they gooped on the thermal paste like crazy! Look at that it's insane!http://resources.vr-zone.com/yantronic/1950pro/thermalpower/tim.jpg

I might put some AS5 soon ye, but for now i am happy, 33 @ idle, 46 @ full, 600/700, no oc tho.

I will wait for the Swiftechs, they really look good, the ones i wont use i guess i will save them because the GA-965P-DS4 and the Heat Pipe system covers all the VRMs :p

Who knows, i might need them when i will get some of the new ATi 2xxxx series ^^.

[binormalkilla]

I'm going to wait a while before I get a DX10 card. I'm going to buy another HIS X1950 Pro first. DX10 games won't be standard for a while. Crysis will be compatible with DX9 too, and I wonder how different the game will look.
I really don't want to buy Vista either!

[Tatty_One]

NICE!
Is that with your 7900 GTO? BTW, does that card have the same Samsung memory chips as the 7900GS (or GT can't remember)? If so, then we have the same ICs. I was wondering what your max stable OC is with those. Here is a link for you to compare if you don't know, though I'm sure you do. You seem knowledgeable.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/GraphicsMemory/GDDR3SDRAM/256Mbit/K4J55323QG/K4J55323QG.htm
The ones that I have (and the 7900GS has) are the BC14s
I'm running mine at 823 and several others are at XtremeSystems forums.

I wish that I could combine my cooler and stock OC with the Sapphire's memory, they have the 1.2 ns access time chips rated at max 800 MHz. Hell I could get those bad boys up to 900 MHz I bet. Maybe even more with more voltage.

I just found this. This guy got them to 870 MHz :eek:

Yes with the 7900GTO and an Athlon 4000+ at 3.25Gig, yes same BC14 chips also on the MSI version of the card, the only other version of the 7900GTO is EVGA and they use another less overclockable one (not sure which tho), I think the timings are tighter on the 7900GTO than the GS and GTX tho.

I think voltage is the key, the GTO is undervolted in comparison to the GTX (on mem) and the same apples to the GT, mine has loostened up considerably since I got it, when I started I could only get 810 out of the memory but I am now upto 850 stable as a rock, TBH I have not tried more yet so I might! Same core also but again voltage, the 7900GT being of lower volts, mine is the same as the GTX and clocks as well, rock solid at 710, have got 720 out of her before and sometimes she will run 3D Mark 2006 at those speeds, other times = BSOD!! so not too stable.

[tkpenalty]

Please... guys get back on topic.

Apart from that, the AcceleroX2 VRM unit is only meant to be used on either a X1950PRO installed with a VF900CU or AcceleroX2. Honestly, they get too hot.

[leopr]

I asked PowerColor about the VRM cooling of their Accelero X2 1950Pro series, basically if i should add some after market cooling like ram skins.

He answered this.

On 2/23/07, tech <tech@powercolor.com> wrote:


ATI does not recemmend this action as it will result in possible damage to the Voltage
Regulators for the GPU and will void any product warranty.

The VRM can operate normally up to around 125 degrees Celsius.

Thank You.

I will get anyway the Swiftech Ram Skins, hopefully on sunday they will arrive.

Besides that, i've been playing FarCry and FEAR for like 3-4 hours, no problems.

Catalyst 6.12, Stock speeds tho, 601/700, 48 degress @ full.

[binormalkilla]

Please... guys get back on topic.
Sry dude, didn't mean to get off topic, but I asked him about the NVidia card because it has the same IC memory chips as almost all of the X1950 Pro (except the Sapphire)

Anyhow, I'm running back at 661.5/823.5 completely stable, I believe the weird problems that I was having was due to unstable system memory, which I am RMAing in a few days. This card can handle BF2142 at all full settings averaging around 70-90 FPS.

BTW leopr, he is correct about the operating temp. Those chips are meant to run at a higher temp. Unless you are having issues with the card, such as black screens after prolonged periods of gaming/benchmarking, then I wouldn't sink the VRMs. If you do, make sure you clean the surface well so you can remove the heatsinks if you have to RMA. The Swiftechs are some high quality sinks, so they should work out well for you.

[tkpenalty]

Fuck... FUCK FUCK!!!! I burnt myself accidentally touching one of the VRMs, while adjusting the FOX-2 40CFM blower fan....there are only two and they get so hot.

[Alcpone]

Fuck... FUCK FUCK!!!! I burnt myself accidentally touching one of the VRMs, while adjusting the FOX-2 40CFM blower fan....there are only two and they get so hot.

:laugh: :slap:

[tkpenalty]

I had to type this with one hand, after sticking on an X300 passive heatsink, the heat quickly transferred...

(So thats how it feels to get burnt by a CPU IHS :banghead:)

[Pinchy]

:roll:

Any news on the backplate yet?

[tkpenalty]

nope still hasnt arrived.

[Pinchy]

When did you buy it?

[tkpenalty]

When did you buy it?

Around the start of this week... wait more like... oh I got it TWO DAYS AGO T_T. It was in my junk mail pile, and then I found a small package that was hard.... Yep. My dad took my HD camera.

[Pinchy]

lmao!

Nice :)...tell us how it goes

[tkpenalty]

The plate feels like a hot plate with the fan off. With the fan on, its just a bit warm.

[Zubasa]

Oh well apperently my X1950Pro won't be back for 3 weeks.:cry:

[Pinchy]

:|

Why so long?

[Zubasa]

:|

Why so long?
Apparently something is dead on the card, it looks like the card got completely knocked out...

This time the card is going back to Sapphire...
I kind of knew this would happen since they got a dozen dead X1950Pros stack on the counter.
(They are collected on that same morning...:eek: One only got CF problem but all are going back...:respect: The guy said most of them have dead VRMs.:ohwell: )
It looks like they got no more X1950Pros for replacement...

[Pinchy]

Ohh that sucks :(

[Zubasa]

Many people killed their card by replacing the cooler because none of them know to cool the VRMs.
For me it looks like my card got shorted out somehow.

[Pinchy]

...speaking of VRM's...i cant see any on the back of my PCB, is that normal :p?

What would the backplate do if there are no VRM's there :confused:

[ling-ling-ling-ling]

How about post your own temps from your Accelero X2 first?

The X2 is sh1t! I bought 1 and regret it, and it cost me my expensive VC due to a faulty fan.

[Frick]

The X2 is sh1t! I bought 1 and regret it, and it cost me my expensive VC due to a faulty fan.

? Odd. My x2 (I didn't mount it myself though, thanks Powercolor ;)) is really great. Idle temps @ 37 degrees C and it never goes above 50. I have a pretty decent airflow in my case though..

@zubasa: Were all the faulty x1950pro's from Sapphire?

[Zubasa]

? Odd. My x2 (I didn't mount it myself though, thanks Powercolor ;)) is really great. Idle temps @ 37 degrees C and it never goes above 50. I have a pretty decent airflow in my case though..

@zubasa: Were all the faulty x1950pro's from Sapphire?
They are actually killed Sapphires, because you can see on the screws that someone removed the coolers. (One of them just cant CF.)
There are also a pile of 7900GS from Galaxy. lol

[Alcpone]

I aint had a problem with my X1950Pro yet, hopefully I wont, I have it nicely cooled and the vrm's aint a issue even with the added vgpu! :D

[tkpenalty]

Honestly, one of the major design flaws of the X1950PRO is the fact that the VRMs aren't cooled properly. They get so ffing hot, whoever said that installing the AcceleroX2 will kill your GPU are probably stupid.

Lets hope sapphire decides to add heatsinks to the VRMs.
Powercolor already has though, its funny that manufacturers didnt see this coming.

EDIT: Interesting... apparently powercolor has this ceramic black heat transfer plate on the side of each of the VRMs, the VRMs still get very hot though.

[leopr]

Honestly, one of the major design flaws of the X1950PRO is the fact that the VRMs aren't cooled properly. They get so ffing hot, whoever said that installing the AcceleroX2 will kill your GPU are probably stupid.

Lets hope sapphire decides to add heatsinks to the VRMs.
Powercolor already has though, its funny that manufacturers didnt see this coming.

EDIT: Interesting... apparently powercolor has this ceramic black heat transfer plate on the side of each of the VRMs, the VRMs still get very hot though.

I asked Power Color regarding my X1950Pro 512MB Accelero X2 and the VRMs, they said they can operate @ 125 degress with no problem.
I got also the ceramic heat spreaders, i might add some ram skins soon tho, i will have to remove the ceramic spreaders or put the ram skins over them ?.

[Pinchy]

The X2 is sh1t! I bought 1 and regret it, and it cost me my expensive VC due to a faulty fan.

All of the powercolor ones ive heard of work fine. Are you sure you installed it properly?

[tkpenalty]

I asked Power Color regarding my X1950Pro 512MB Accelero X2 and the VRMs, they said they can operate @ 125 degress with no problem.
I got also the ceramic heat spreaders, i might add some ram skins soon tho, i will have to remove the ceramic spreaders or put the ram skins over them ?.

They aren't over the VRM modules. Its better to cool them than let them burn. @125 degrees they will be likely to malfunction

[Pinchy]

Powercolor are just saying that to save themselves :p

If that was the case, why would they put extra VRM cooling?

[tkpenalty]

Powercolor are just saying that to save themselves :p

If that was the case, why would they put extra VRM cooling?

Will double-sided tape conduct heat?

[Alcpone]

Will double-sided tape conduct heat?

Stick abit on the end of your finger and touch the vrm :D then you will know!

Go on a dare you ;)

[tkpenalty]

Stick abit on the end of your finger and touch the vrm :D then you will know!

Go on a dare you ;)

I burnt myself AGAIN...:banghead:
Okay.. I've decided to go thermal paste + three rubber bands for retention, I'm trying to cool one of the MOFSETS on the rear of the GPU.

[Alcpone]

I burnt myself AGAIN...:banghead:
Okay.. I've decided to go thermal paste + three rubber bands for retention, I'm trying to cool one of the MOFSETS on the rear of the GPU.

hmmm... do thermal paste and mosfets go together? That sounds bit like trouble in the pipeline! MOSFETS are the little fellas right underneath the gpu on the other side of the pcb arnt they? :confused:

[binormalkilla]

Will double-sided tape conduct heat?

Grab some double side thermal tape, like the stuff that comes pre-installed on RAMsinks.
BTW, do you have a link for that backplate you ordered for the VRMs? Is is shorter than a RAMsink? I'm thinking about getting something to cool my PULSE chips......
Thermal tape link:
http://www.thermaflo.com/ifmat_tape.shtml
BTW from what I've heard, using any kind of thermal paste on IC chips isn't a good idea. That stuff is usually capacitive (not very conductive though) and can cause problems if they span across a live circuit on the PCB.

That link I showed has descriptions for the applications involved. It has some pretty good stuff there, such as thermal conductivity, elasticity, etc. This way you can find something that conducts well, but doesn't need support after it's been applied. If you want something to attach a VRM sink with I would use something that doesn't permanently bond to the IC, in case you have to RMA.

[tkpenalty]

Grab some double side thermal tape, like the stuff that comes pre-installed on RAMsinks.
BTW, do you have a link for that backplate you ordered for the VRMs? Is is shorter than a RAMsink? I'm thinking about getting something to cool my PULSE chips......
Thermal tape link:
http://www.thermaflo.com/ifmat_tape.shtml
BTW from what I've heard, using any kind of thermal paste on IC chips isn't a good idea. That stuff is usually capacitive (not very conductive though) and can cause problems if they span across a live circuit on the PCB.

That link I showed has descriptions for the applications involved. It has some pretty good stuff there, such as thermal conductivity, elasticity, etc. This way you can find something that conducts well, but doesn't need support after it's been applied. If you want something to attach a VRM sink with I would use something that doesn't permanently bond to the IC, in case you have to RMA.

Nah, Powercolor said I can keep the VRM plate on if I need to RMA and send me a new X1950PRO with the VRM plate.

[micron]

That stuff is usually capacitive

ca·pac·i·tance Pronunciation (k-ps-tns)

1. Symbol C The ratio of charge to potential on an electrically charged, isolated conductor.
2. Symbol C The ratio of the electric charge transferred from one to the other of a pair of conductors to the resulting potential difference between them.

I think what you're really talking about is thermal epoxy......regardless, the stuff neither capacitive or conductive.

[erocker]

Hey! I'm wondering what people are getting for 3dMark06 scores with thier x1950 AGP cards.

Here's mine:http://img.techpowerup.org/070224/3d06.jpg

[tkpenalty]

Hey! I'm wondering what people are getting for 3dMark06 scores with thier x1950 AGP cards.

Here's mine:http://img.techpowerup.org/070224/3d06.jpg

Thats a good score :)

[tkpenalty]

Grab some double side thermal tape, like the stuff that comes pre-installed on RAMsinks.
BTW, do you have a link for that backplate you ordered for the VRMs? Is is shorter than a RAMsink? I'm thinking about getting something to cool my PULSE chips......
Thermal tape link:
http://www.thermaflo.com/ifmat_tape.shtml
BTW from what I've heard, using any kind of thermal paste on IC chips isn't a good idea. That stuff is usually capacitive (not very conductive though) and can cause problems if they span across a live circuit on the PCB.

That link I showed has descriptions for the applications involved. It has some pretty good stuff there, such as thermal conductivity, elasticity, etc. This way you can find something that conducts well, but doesn't need support after it's been applied. If you want something to attach a VRM sink with I would use something that doesn't permanently bond to the IC, in case you have to RMA.

I know about thermal tape obviously that stuff probably is hard to obtain, and Shin-Etsu is better.
Thermal tape by all means is never capacitive FYI, why do they have it for RAM chips?!

[Pinchy]

Hey! I'm wondering what people are getting for 3dMark06 scores with thier x1950 AGP cards.

Here's mine:http://img.techpowerup.org/070224/3d06.jpg

Nice score considering 3dmark06 is HEAVILY CPU dependant :)

[tkpenalty]

Grab some double side thermal tape, like the stuff that comes pre-installed on RAMsinks.
BTW, do you have a link for that backplate you ordered for the VRMs? Is is shorter than a RAMsink? I'm thinking about getting something to cool my PULSE chips......
Thermal tape link:
http://www.thermaflo.com/ifmat_tape.shtml
BTW from what I've heard, using any kind of thermal paste on IC chips isn't a good idea. That stuff is usually capacitive (not very conductive though) and can cause problems if they span across a live circuit on the PCB.

That link I showed has descriptions for the applications involved. It has some pretty good stuff there, such as thermal conductivity, elasticity, etc. This way you can find something that conducts well, but doesn't need support after it's been applied. If you want something to attach a VRM sink with I would use something that doesn't permanently bond to the IC, in case you have to RMA.

I know about thermal tape, obviously that stuff is decent and hard to obtain. Shin-Etsu is wayyyy better.
Thermal tape by all means is never capacitive FYI, why do they have it for RAM chips?!



http://vizo.com.tw/index.php?main_page=vizo_product_info&products_id=31&tab=1

Get these, the plate will not fit on the HIS IceQIII, its only meant for acceleroX2 + X1950PRO (non-palit). Then you will have spares to cool other mofsets, etc. Btw, get the DDR400 variant and not the DDR2.

[binormalkilla]

While it is not electrically conductive, the compound is very slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it bridges two close-proximity electrical paths.)

From Arctic's website on AS5
http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm
I'm a junior level electrical engineering student, so you don't have to explain capacitance to me
:)

[tkpenalty]

...oh geez.... AS5 is silver-based, thus there would be SOME potential to be capacitive. Ceramic thermal pastes prevent any conduction and thermal pads/tape/epoxy usually prevent any capacitive characteristics (unless you are talking about special purpose types).

[binormalkilla]

Yea I know the tape isn't capacitive or electrically conductive, only thermally. I thought you mentioned using some ceramic based stuff earlier, and I've always read that any thermal compound is risky on IC chips. It's better to use tape on IC chips, compound on cores.

Anyhow, I think it's gonna be a tight fit if I do decide to sink these PULSE chips. Look how close they are to the fan! I may be able to get an old CPU heatsink and take it to a machine shop. This way they can trim it down to clear the fan. I really don't know of any RAMsinks that will fit under that clearance.

http://www.bonafidereviews.com/articles/190/images/powerconnector.jpg

[tkpenalty]

Which faggotised bastard just one-starred our thread and 5 starred the others?!!! :shadedshu, doing that doesn't make you have a big e-penis you wanker/tosser.

[tkpenalty]

Um Binormalkilla, the SLEET VIZO heatsinks I recommended will not fit D=. Try to get copper heatsinks that have the fin broadside 90* away from the fan. Alu is fine, but at that size not really great.

EDIT: If some mod walks past, edit the title, adding [X1950 series support] to it. Sticky pl0x

[Zubasa]

I guess [X1950 Series Clubhouse & Support] will be better. lol

[binormalkilla]

doing that doesn't make you have a big e-penis you wanker/tosser.
ROFLMAO :laugh:

[leopr]

They aren't over the VRM modules. Its better to cool them than let them burn. @125 degrees they will be likely to malfunction

So which are the VRM modules ? i thought they were under those black ceramic heat spreaders.

[technicks]

Will double-sided tape conduct heat?

Yes it will, but you have to get it as thin as possible.

I bought some for 50 cents and it works just as good as the stuff they sell at your pc store.

[tkpenalty]

Heatsink the two Pulse/VTEC chips.

[tkpenalty]

So which are the VRM modules ? i thought they were under those black ceramic heat spreaders.

Honestly, on the powercolor model, they seem concealed or aren't cooled. Apart from that the VTEC and PULSE chips get too hot for my liking.

[binormalkilla]

I don't think that I'm going to bother sinking the PULSE chips because they don't get very hot on mine. I touched them after a run on the artifact scanner and they don't get that hot. I still want to see exactly how hot they are while scanning so I'm gonna try to get an infrared thermometer.

[tkpenalty]

I was thinking that too. The VRMs on the X1950PRO Powercolor are heatsinked by two ceramic black plates... HOWEVER they aren't sufficient. People who switch from stock to VF900CU are going to get an unpleasant surprise. There is no heatsink!!!

[tkpenalty]

UPDATE:
26/2/07

URGENT TO PEOPLE USING X1950PRO WHO WISH TO SWITCH TO A VF900CU

Please remember to buy heatsinks, due to the fact that the VRMS DO NOT have cooling after you remove the stock cooler. This is an exception to the X1950PROs from the following manufactures/model, Powercolor Extreme 256/512, HIS ICEQIII, PALIT, GIGABYTE, HIS (standard) PCI-E.

Other brands not mentioned WILL NEED heatsinks.

VF900CU users SHOULD invest in extra heatsinks for the VRMs, I would recommend these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118220 (same as the ones that come with your VF900CU LOL) Extra ones can go onto the MOFSET on the GPU/Motherboard.


http://img.techpowerup.org/070226/dwwdwddwdw.jpg
After removal of the standard cooler that part of the PCB should look like this
http://img.techpowerup.org/070226/14-103-024-03.jpg
That is how the reference cooler looks like, anything similar after removal WILL NEED VRM HE