Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

[Alcpone]

Aint got no problems with my sapphire, I have the vgpu @ 1.45v aswel, may even try for 1.5v, the vrm's are fine also and my cooling is... Sweeeeeeet :)

[Zalmann]

Yes indeed. But no voltage control is possible.
Damn... I should have went one day earlier to buy the Gigabyte one... but they were sold out the day I went... so I had to settle for this one.
The gigabyte will be VERY EASY to volt mod.

The Gigabyte unit works really well so far. I've replaced the stock VF700-AlCu with a VF900-CU, and it runs cooler and I can clock it higher. ;)

[tkpenalty]

Aint got no problems with my sapphire, I have the vgpu @ 1.45v aswel, may even try for 1.5v, the vrm's are fine also and my cooling is... Sweeeeeeet :)

Thats because you got stock. At this point AcceleroX2 is better than VF900CU for VRM PCB Brands.

[Alcpone]

Thats because you got stock. At this point AcceleroX2 is better than VF900CU for VRM PCB Brands.

:wtf:

[tkpenalty]

Look VRMs on most X1950PROs are cooled by the stock cooler, once removed you also remove cooling for the VRMS, Sapphire are willing to accept RMAs because of this. The AcceleroX2 now comes with the VRM cooler while the VF900CU doesnt... you will need to buy a seperate kit of heatsinks. Making the price not worth it.

[Alcpone]

Look VRMs on most X1950PROs are cooled by the stock cooler, once removed you also remove cooling for the VRMS, Sapphire are willing to accept RMAs because of this. The AcceleroX2 now comes with the VRM cooler while the VF900CU doesnt... you will need to buy a seperate kit of heatsinks. Making the price not worth it.

And that has what to do with me? :confused:

[tkpenalty]

Everything. If you want to change coolers consider what I posted.

[Alcpone]

Everything. If you want to change coolers consider what I posted.

Your trippin lol

Why would I want to change coolers? :laugh:

[tkpenalty]

whoops lol... just get heatsinks for the VRMs to be safe...

[Zalmann]

The Acellero X2 doesn't cool the VRM's. But the Zalman VF900 does, that's if your card uses VRMs and is based on the reference design.

[Pinchy]

The "New" Acellero cools the VRM's


They updated it :)

[Zalmann]

The "New" Acellero cools the VRM's


They updated it :)

The "New", is that a slight variation from the current X2?

[Pinchy]

I think its the same thing with a backplate for the VRM's...TK will know for sure

I think Its the Powercolor X2 tho, not the actual AC

[Zalmann]

Ok. I'll be interested to know if there are differences between the X2 (retail version) and the Powercolor version.

[Pinchy]

Ive been told they got a different heatpipe arrangement/design

[Zalmann]

Ive been told they got a different heatpipe arrangement/design

I remember reading something on it, stating 3 heatpipes, and someone mentioning that it had 6 heatpipes??

[Pinchy]

All i know is that they are different...dont know how though :p

[Zalmann]

All i know is that they are different...dont know how though :p

I guess TK will enlighten us when he's back on-line. He's the X2 fanboi.

[binormalkilla]

Ok quick question for you guys:
On another forum a guy made a comment about the VRMs. He said that the VRMs look naked on my card, but I thought that this card used PWMs and VRMs (looks like the kind on a motherboard)
anyhow he said that it's the vertical line of small chips that run the entire length of the card on the right side, here is a pic:
http://www.bonafidereviews.com/articles/190/images/frontwithnohs.jpg
There is one exposed VRM/PWM at the top right of my card
and here is a pic of the X1950XT, which has these chips sinked:
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-102-067-16.JPG
And there is two VRMs/PWMs at the right side (pic bottom) of this card.
So is this correct? I can't take my heatsink off and check until I get back to my apartment, because I'm at my parents and my AS5 thermal paste isn't here.

So.............let me know what you think/know!
Thanks

[Namslas90]

The 'heat sinked' row are the Vrm's, the other row closer to cooler body are power mosfest. Good Idea to place ramsinks on the power mosfest, as it will cool down the entire card.

[binormalkilla]

I wonder then: why the hell didn't HIS extend that memory heatsink just a little? Either that, or install that cheap little heatsink that resides on the X1950XT?

I'm going the assumption that the IceQ3 cooler doesn't make contact with the VRMs. I can't take it off right now, so I guess I'll have to wait and see.

[DOM]

well heres a Pic of the HIS Radeon X1950XT IceQ3 Turbo with the cooler and HS for the MEM off http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5251&d=1167142487

[binormalkilla]

Awesome, great pic! That really sheds some light on things. I cropped the image and resized to highlight the VRMs here:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6574&stc=1&d=1172722088

It looks to me like the are the same; the digital VRMs aren't heatsinked......I don't know what those chips are to the left of the heatsink though.

[Pinchy]

I just got a VRM plate for my X1950 PRO (arrived in mail today)

I thought the VRM's were the VRAMS (Video RAM) :p

Anyways, i put it on and loaded up CS:Source and played for about 30 mins. After closing CS and leaving the comp for like a minute or so, i opened the case and touched the plate. IT WAS HOOOOT!!! If i would have left my finger on it, i would have a nice burnt finger :p

ill post a pic of it when i can be bothered opening my case, taking the GPU out and so forth :p

[binormalkilla]

Well I emailed HIS and they confirmed that I do in fact have a heatsink on the VRMs. I'm going to go to the hardware store tonight and buy an infrared thermometer, provided they aren't too expensive. Hell, I'm probably going to take it back anyhow! ROFL.

[freeboy]

My Hia x1950proc ice3 looks very different, well I guess they are. Looks like y9ou are returning yours... must not have skimed up enough, why?
My card runs super cool and other than being a 256 card I find it a good balence of exceptional performance /cost.. good luck.

[binormalkilla]

Hey guys I have a cracked version of ATI Tool .exe file that allows adjustment of timings for our cards. Several guys at XtremeSystems forums got better timings working with the X1950 Pro. Here is the link where I hosted the file.
http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/97727/ATITool-patched-rar.html
All you have to do is delete the .exe file in the ATI Tool directory, then unRAR the cracked file.
If any HIS guys try this let me know as I'm working on it tonight, along with another guy at Overclock.net

[tkpenalty]

Well I emailed HIS and they confirmed that I do in fact have a heatsink on the VRMs. I'm going to go to the hardware store tonight and buy an infrared thermometer, provided they aren't too expensive. Hell, I'm probably going to take it back anyhow! ROFL.

The VRM issue only arises once you install the VF900CU on the X1950PRO with the reference/single piece cooler.

[tkpenalty]

What OCs have you guys got with the X1950PRO? My one barely overclocks T_T...

[SpookyWillow]

i'm currently running at 662/817.

highest bench clocks so far are 675/823.5 for 3dmark05 - 11039 3rd highest score posted with an X2 and single x1950pro

and 668/810 for 3dmark06 5448 top score for an amd cpu and single X1950pro

:D

edit, just tweaked the cards mem timings a little and i just took the tops spot on 3dmark05 with slightly lower mem clocks too @ 668/817, 11,122 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2747070

just ran 3dmar06 again @ 675/817 with tweaked Vram timings

5598 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1353675

so now i have the highest posted scores on both 3dmark05 and 06 for an amd cpu and a single X1950pro :rockout:

[bundlebr]

Guys,

Can you help me with ovrclocking my card? The best I can squeeze from it so far is 607.5/702, and that's not very stable.
BTW, replaced stock cooler with Thermalright's: silent fanless cooling with much lower temps than with stock!

BB

[tkpenalty]

26/2/07

URGENT TO PEOPLE USING X1950PRO WHO WISH TO SWITCH TO A VF900CU

Please remember to buy heatsinks, due to the fact that the VRMS DO NOT have cooling after you remove the stock cooler. This is an exception to the X1950PROs from the following manufactures/model, Powercolor Extreme 256/512, HIS ICEQIII, PALIT, GIGABYTE, HIS (standard) PCI-E.

Other brands not mentioned WILL NEED heatsinks.

VF900CU users SHOULD invest in extra heatsinks for the VRMs.

http://img.techpowerup.org/070226/dwwdwddwdw.jpg
After removal of the standard cooler that part of the PCB should look like this
http://img.techpowerup.org/070226/14-103-024-03.jpg
That is how the reference cooler looks like, anything similar after removal WILL NEED VRM HEATSINKING!

For AcceleroX2 Users (if it doesn't come with it): http://cgi.ebay.com/VR-Heat-Spreader-Module-for-ATI-X1950Pro_W0QQitemZ270089009786QQihZ017QQcategoryZ8 0151QQcmdZViewItem.

Yep... read this, it also applies for the thermalright, I know your problem. Don't use your GPU until you get heatsinks for those chips.

[Zubasa]

That stock cooler looks 100% like the sapphire.:p

[Pinchy]

That SLi plate from ebay works a charm. Recommended to all by me!

[bundlebr]

Yep... read this, it also applies for the thermalright, I know your problem. Don't use your GPU until you get heatsinks for those chips.

Yeah, I've already read some stuff that you've discussed earlier, and attached heatsinks there... The temp reading doesn't cross 56C now, but still cannot overclock it...

[tkpenalty]

Try showing me a photo of it. What brand is it?

Try reseating it as well.

[tkpenalty]

That SLi plate from ebay works a charm. Recommended to all by me!

Your mean VRM LOL.

[tkpenalty]

GOING OFF TOPIC:
http://img.techpowerup.org/070303/IMG_0090.jpg
(PC was on btw, gg)

I had to switch back to stock just in case the CNPS7700CU ripped the whole motherboard off the case (Like ketxxx, this one's heavier).

I reckon it looks much neater without the CNPS7700CU, I might reinstall it if I need to OC. Its damn quiet. Though my NB and RAM aren't cooled that much though, the CPU cooling remains the same with the stock shinetsu thermal paste. The NB is fairing at 50*C.

If Zalman sends me the clips for the ZM-N47(something like that) northbridge I will switch back though), before switching it was a pain in the neck just to get the cables organized. I might invest in a thermalright NB cooler.

EDIT: Did TPU just crash?

[SpookyWillow]

TPU has been playing up since late last night

[tkpenalty]

lol... do intel coolers have to be seasoned? It seems like it because the RPMs are getting higher and higher.. w00t. It was 2.5k three hours, then 2.7 now 2.9k.

[Ling-ling]

lol... do intel coolers have to be seasoned? It seems like it because the RPMs are getting higher and higher.. w00t. It was 2.5k three hours, then 2.7 now 2.9k.

Seasoning with a bit of salt and peper is all that is required. :roll:

[tkpenalty]

Seasoning of bearings:

Deliberate running of apparatus to make sure bearings are smooth; basically bearing sanding you could call it.

The RPM is getting higher and the noise is getting less.

[Ling-ling]

Seasoning of bearings:

Deliberate running of apparatus to make sure bearings are smooth; basically bearing sanding you could call it.

The RPM is getting higher and the noise is getting less.

And a little salt and peppa make it go betta :D

[bundlebr]

Try showing me a photo of it. What brand is it?

Try reseating it as well.

Here are the pix: Sapphire X1950 Pro with Thermalright cooler and extra heatsinks.

What did you mean - reseating - the card, or the cooler, or...

[tkpenalty]

Whoever it is, Stop 1 starring this thread. If you are caught, you will be reported.

Bundlebr, I meant, try remounting the cooler again. By the looks of it it looks fine. Install the 92mm fan and see the results.

If you want to check again, take the card out and check where the heatsinks are mounted, show me a photo as well (don't have to).

[bundlebr]

Will do and update...
Was thinking about modded bios for better overclocking... Is there any for Sapphire X1950 PRO?

[binormalkilla]

Whoever it is, Stop 1 starring this thread. If you are caught, you will be reported.

ROFL I wouldn't worry about it dude, it's just one jerk. Anyone with an ounce of logic can see the size of the thread and know it's full of info on these cards.

BundleBR, that's a sweet cooler you have there. What kind of temps are you getting with that?

It would be really easy to zip-tie a case fan on that, like a Silverstone FM121 @ 110 CFM. I have one as an intake in my 5.25" drive bay and they really move some air. If you installed it on the bottom facing upward you could cool your mobo and CPU a little.

[paddel]

Hi Guys,

i have some question about the Gecube X1950XT AGP!
I didn't understand why I can see under Hardware information only GPU Rate of 500 and Memory Rate of 594!!!! The manufacture said 625 MHZ Core Speed and 700 Memory. I have unlocked the overdrive, why I thought that the right rates will be done...it isn't.

Guys see the Picture below...that is Overdrive an here you will see the taktrates...please help me!!


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s300/sturmpaddel/GCS0001.jpg

[DOM]

Hi Guys,

i have some question about the Gecube X1950XT AGP!
I didn't understand why I can see under Hardware information only GPU Rate of 500 and Memory Rate of 594!!!! The manufacture said 625 MHZ Core Speed and 700 Memory. I have unlocked the overdrive, why I thought that the right rates will be done...it isn't.

Guys see the Picture below...that is Overdrive an here you will see the taktrates...please help me!!


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s300/sturmpaddel/GCS0001.jpg

there the 2d clocks, see where it says requested thats your 3d clocks

[paddel]

?....you mean only during the 3d run I will have the requsted rates..right?

[DOM]

?....you mean only during the 3d run I will have the requsted rates..right?

yes sir 648/702

[paddel]

mmm many thanks for your Help, but once I didn't understand too..in 3DMark06 I see only the GPU rates of 500 and Memory only 594......it is confusing, because my old X850XT shows only one taktrate in all Systeminformation!

Is it normal that the screen is flickering sometimes....or is my poweradapter to soft?? I have a poweradapter with 420 Watt!

[DOM]

mmm many thanks for your Help, but once I didn't understand too..in 3DMark06 I see only the GPU rates of 500 and Memory only 594......it is confusing, because my old X850XT shows only one taktrate in all Systeminformation!

yea mine shows 2d speeds just open 3DMark and open CCC and look at your speeds they should be at 3d speeds

well mine does it sometimes ppl say it doesnt with 6.12CCC but I never tryed it

and idk about the PSU do you know the specs

[binormalkilla]

I would highly suggest using either ATI Tray Tools or Rivatuner for overclocking our cards (mainly memory) because Overdrive caused lower 3dmark scores for me when I had my Sapphire, as well as several other X1950 Pro users in this thread:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=121382
This thread started around when these cards were first released, and has some really good documented OCing for the cards.

[tkpenalty]

Hmm... how do I remove the ceramic heatsinks?

[DOM]

I would highly suggest using either ATI Tray Tools or Rivatuner for overclocking our cards (mainly memory) because Overdrive caused lower 3dmark scores for me when I had my Sapphire, as well as several other X1950 Pro users in this thread:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=121382
This thread started around when these cards were first released, and has some really good documented OCing for the cards.

are you talking to paddel cuz he gots a Gecube X1950XT AGP

[bundlebr]

ROFL I wouldn't worry about it dude, it's just one jerk. Anyone with an ounce of logic can see the size of the thread and know it's full of info on these cards.

BundleBR, that's a sweet cooler you have there. What kind of temps are you getting with that?

It would be really easy to zip-tie a case fan on that, like a Silverstone FM121 @ 110 CFM. I have one as an intake in my 5.25" drive bay and they really move some air. If you installed it on the bottom facing upward you could cool your mobo and CPU a little.

During day it runs idle at 36-37C and with ATITool artifact scan at 55 C after 20 min. At night it's 2-3 deg. cooler. I've already got Antec silent 92-mm fan, will try soon...
Anyway, I believe that the OC capability of this card is limited by bios rather than by cooling. With stock cooler it ran during artifact scan up to 78 C. Now, with Thermalright and heatsinks stuck to everywhere, it's much cooler, but I still cannot overclock it decently, yet....

[tkpenalty]

GOING OFF TOPIC:
http://img.techpowerup.org/070303/IMG_0090.jpg
(PC was on btw, gg)

I had to switch back to stock just in case the CNPS7700CU ripped the whole motherboard off the case (Like ketxxx, this one's heavier).

I reckon it looks much neater without the CNPS7700CU, I might reinstall it if I need to OC. Its damn quiet. Though my NB and RAM aren't cooled that much though, the CPU cooling remains the same with the stock shinetsu thermal paste. The NB is fairing at 50*C.

If Zalman sends me the clips for the ZM-N47(something like that) northbridge I will switch back though), before switching it was a pain in the neck just to get the cables organized. I might invest in a thermalright NB cooler.

So what do you guys think about this?!!


http://img.techpowerup.org/070226/dwwdwddwdw.jpg

and how the hell do I remove these ceramic heatsinks? I need to use the VRM Plate

During day it runs idle at 36-37C and with ATITool artifact scan at 55 C after 20 min. At night it's 2-3 deg. cooler. I've already got Antec silent 92-mm fan, will try soon...
Anyway, I believe that the OC capability of this card is limited by bios rather than by cooling. With stock cooler it ran during artifact scan up to 78 C. Now, with Thermalright and heatsinks stuck to everywhere, it's much cooler, but I still cannot overclock it decently, yet....

Driver and Bios are to blame for this, so is the fact that there is no control over voltages yet (except for bios flashing). Apparently the X1950PRO is a volt-hungry GPU.

[binormalkilla]

I'm a bit confused as how the CPU cooler ripped the motherboard from the case. On my motherboard I have about 10 screws that go into brass studs, which screw into the holes, so there is no way in hell that it's coming loose. I'm unfamiliar with c2d motherboards, but if you aren't using studs/screws then I would suggest doing so?
I have a friend with that cooler for an AMD and he loves it, so I would try to remount it again, and re-evaluate your motherboard fastening technique. If you are using studs/screws, then maybe you missed one or two?

[bundlebr]

So what do you guys think about this?!!


http://img.techpowerup.org/070226/dwwdwddwdw.jpg

and how the hell do I remove these ceramic heatsinks? I need to use the VRM Plate


== From your pix it's not clear how they are attached to. Usually, heatsinks are glued to ICs with various Acrylic compounds by 3M, like 9890 or 8xxx series. Most of them would break down at ~100C, question, if your Si and plastic shell underneath would die faster. Chlorine bleach should be good, but it'll corrode all metal parts faster:( Prying those with a knife blade might be safest... ==


Driver and Bios are to blame for this, so is the fact that there is no control over voltages yet (except for bios flashing). Apparently the X1950PRO is a volt-hungry GPU.


== From your pix it's not clear how they are attached to. Usually, heatsinks are glued to ICs with various Acrylic compounds by 3M, like 9890 or 8xxx series. Most of them would break down at ~100C, question, if your Si and plastic shell underneath would die faster. Chlorine bleach should be good, but it'll corrode all metal parts faster:( Prying those with a knife blade might be safest... ==


Yeah, I realize this... How can I get the best drivers and modded bios? Really?!

[anticlutch]

Hm.. I've just noticed this but how are you supposed to CF 2 PowerColor x1950pro's? Wouldn't the massive fan get in the way?

[bundlebr]

Hm.. I've just noticed this but how are you supposed to CF 2 PowerColor x1950pro's? Wouldn't the massive fan get in the way?

ASUS mobos, like mine P5W DH Deluxe, got plenty of room between PCIe slots.

[anticlutch]

No, I meant that the fan's heatsink would get in the way... like the CF bridge on the left would work but the other CF bridge wouldn't work unless you had a flexible connector.


I probably just made no sense whatsoever so just disregard my comments :P

[tkpenalty]

No, I meant that the fan's heatsink would get in the way... like the CF bridge on the left would work but the other CF bridge wouldn't work unless you had a flexible connector.


I probably just made no sense whatsoever so just disregard my comments :P

All the connectors are flexible and the AcceleroX2 doesnt get in the way :wtf:.
It seems like noone buys the reference edition of the X1950PRO.

and look at what I posted... how do I remove the heatsink?

[bundlebr]

No, I meant that the fan's heatsink would get in the way... like the CF bridge on the left would work but the other CF bridge wouldn't work unless you had a flexible connector.


I probably just made no sense whatsoever so just disregard my comments :P


That's my fault, cuz still thinking, if it's worse to buy second X1950 Pro, or wait for RV630...
Thus, no experience with CF :(

[anticlutch]

All the connectors are flexible and the AcceleroX2 doesnt get in the way :wtf:.
It seems like noone buys the reference edition of the X1950PRO.

and look at what I posted... how do I remove the heatsink?

Nope... some cards ship with the non-flexible bridge (mine came with 2 flexible ones though :D )

Have you tried using Arcticlean? That stuff works wonders... once, it removed my friend's thermal paste that was like superglue. The stuff was so hard that when i tried to pull the heatsink away from the mobo it pulled the cpu with it (was a skt 478, so there wasn't any damage to the CPU)... and when we tried using alcohol to get it off it wouldn't budge. So we went and bought the Arcticlean and in less than 1 min it popped off cleanly.

[tkpenalty]

Nah... this is epoxy I am talking about. I want the plate because there is more surface area to dissipate heat, the ceramic heatsinks on the VRMs aren't sufficient although they transfer heat quicker; too small to be effective.

[tkpenalty]

Nope... some cards ship with the non-flexible bridge (mine came with 2 flexible ones though :D )

Have you tried using Arcticlean? That stuff works wonders... once, it removed my friend's thermal paste that was like superglue. The stuff was so hard that when i tried to pull the heatsink away from the mobo it pulled the cpu with it (was a skt 478, so there wasn't any damage to the CPU)... and when we tried using alcohol to get it off it wouldn't budge. So we went and bought the Arcticlean and in less than 1 min it popped off cleanly.

I'm talking about BGA soldered VRM units here. Does Arctic clean corrode PCB and components? Epoxy on a VRM chip dude, not suction-happy thermal paste (like my AS5.. weirdly enough after few weeks this "suction hapiness" disappeared).
That's my fault, cuz still thinking, if it's worse to buy second X1950 Pro, or wait for RV630...
Thus, no experience with CF :(

The new crossfire nearly doubles performance :rockout:. Thats why I might buy another one soon.

[bundlebr]

I'm talking about BGA soldered VRM units here. Does Arctic clean corrode PCB and components? Epoxy on a VRM chip dude, not suction-happy thermal paste (like my AS5.. weirdly enough after few weeks this "suction hapiness" disappeared).


The new crossfire nearly doubles performance :rockout:. Thats why I might buy another one soon.

Don't think that's epoxy (thermal conductivity sucks), but rather Acrylic (might be with Alumina filler for thermal conductivity). Acrylic should be easier removed. Try Glue Remover first, or some other organic dilutants. Personally, if it's that hard to remove, I'd stick a Copper heatsink on top of it.

So, no bios mods for X1950 Pro?

[binormalkilla]

How can I get the best drivers
I've tested several drivers with the X1950 Pro, including the Warcats, Omegas, and standard Catalysts, and the Warcats are the best IMO.
I'm currently running the Warcat 7.2s, and they can be found here:
http://www.tweaksrus.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=158&Itemid=41/

[bundlebr]

I'm currently running the Warcat 7.2s, and they can be found here:
http://www.tweaksrus.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=158&Itemid=41/

Thanx, downloading them right now!:)

[tkpenalty]

...I used to to root for Warcat Drivers... but now I won't touch them with a 10 foot pole for a while.

[bundlebr]

...I used to to root for Warcat Drivers... but now I won't touch them with a 10 foot pole for a while.

Can you tell me, why?

[tkpenalty]

7.2 will screw up some games.

[SpookyWillow]

anyone not able to play bf2142 with the 7.2's? i nstalled them last night cos my 7.1's got screwed and now i just crash to desktop after the splash screen.

was fine on the 7.1's unless its something else that broke it :(

[tkpenalty]

Switch back to the 6.xx drivers (CD), they do MUCH better.

[Zubasa]

anyone not able to play bf2142 with the 7.2's? i nstalled them last night cos my 7.1's got screwed and now i just crash to desktop after the splash screen.

was fine on the 7.1's unless its something else that broke it :(
I am playing BF2142 with CCC7.2 and actually gain a frame or 2 from it:p

[SpookyWillow]

well this is the error when i try and run bf2142, i've googled it but theres no fixes :(

The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and Support for details. The following information is part of the event: 7.

[binormalkilla]

anyone not able to play bf2142 with the 7.2's? i nstalled them last night cos my 7.1's got screwed and now i just crash to desktop after the splash screen.

was fine on the 7.1's unless its something else that broke it :(

The 7.2s (ATI or Warcat) made my graphics look really poor in BF2142. It had something to do with the original design of the new Catalyst CCC I assume, because the Warcat is merely a tweaked standard ATI driver, with added game optimizations for image quality performance.
I would just stick with the Warcat 7.1 driver for now, until the 7.3 Catalysts/Warcats arrive.
I don't know why tkpenalty hates the Warcats, because they are the best drivers for our cards ATM when concerning performance and image quality. I've tried and benched the standard Catalysts, Omegas (suck for our card IMO, performance wise), Warcats, and the NGOs (second best.)

[binormalkilla]

well this is the error when i try and run bf2142, i've googled it but theres no fixes :(

I've seen that error before, but I'm not sure where. Do the following:
download RegSupreme Pro (trial or whatever you can "acquire")
repair you .net framework in the way I told u in that PM
download driver cleaner pro from Guru3d.com
download the Warcat 7.1 (link in that PM)
Install the apps
ok now
use the ATI software uninstall utility in the add/remove progs menu
reboot, then press F8 to enter safe mode
run driver cleaner pro in safe mode, and run all of the ATI cleaners
run regsupreme pro aggressive scan
right click the results (there will be a lot), select all, the click the "fix" button
create a backup named whatever
reboot normally
install the Warcat 7.1 driver. This will install the "TRU installer" software, then it will install the driver set

If this still doesn't work, then uninstall BF2142, run regsupreme again, then install, then patch.

[binormalkilla]

Ok here is the cracked ATI Tool .exe file, as the link I posted earlier is dead :(
Let me know if the posted timings work, or if anything different works for you.
http://www.filefactory.com/file/6813a0/

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6635&stc=1&d=1173056168

[tkpenalty]

Does it actually work?

EDIT: Stop one starring, I will ask W1zzard to look at the voters, if you are caught one-starring my thread and five-starring all the others (Malicious voting), see ya later.

[binormalkilla]

Yea it works. Several people have made those timings work, and reported increase in performance at XtremeSystems forums. I tried those timings last year when I first got the card, but I had some issues. I haven't worked on them recently, but I will here in the next few days.

[tkpenalty]

My X1950PRO has way different timings lol...

[tkpenalty]

Basically, does ATT work on X1950PROs? It works on X1950GTs... so I am assuming ATT will work on the X1950PRO.

[sneekypeet]

yes i can OC with it!
gotta check the box for driver level OC tho!


Check specs
<<<<<<<



http://img.techpowerup.org/070305/ATT.jpg

[binormalkilla]

Basically, does ATT work on X1950PROs? It works on X1950GTs... so I am assuming ATT will work on the X1950PRO.

Yea it works. I have the latest beta version running, and I use driver level overclocking for memory and core, and I'm at 661.5/810 MHz %100 stable.

SneakyPeet-
Did you perform the core or memory voltmod (if there is a memory). BIOS Vmod or physical?
The reason I ask is because most people are getting a max of 627 on the Powercolor X1950s on stock voltage.
I'm going to try the BIOS volt mod that Ketxxx is hooking up. I can set my clocks to 668, but my screen goes black after 5 minutes or so of artifact scanning.

[tkpenalty]

^Same here...

[madmike]

quick one... anyone had problems with the x1950pro 512mb pci-e on certain monitors, after u install the ati drivers when the windows xp log on screen is about to show the monitor just shoots to standby??

[Alcpone]

quick one... anyone had problems with the x1950pro 512mb pci-e on certain monitors, after u install the ati drivers when the windows xp log on screen is about to show the monitor just shoots to standby??

Start in safe mode, check your res settings, just means the monitor cant handle the max setting which it is set to after the driver is installed ;)

[Ketxxx]

Bump. This thread really should be stickied. Got more than enough posts \ views.

[anticlutch]

Bump. This thread really should be stickied. Got more than enough posts \ views.

Seconded.

[Ketxxx]

I'll now 3rd it :D but seriously, thers a lot of info in here thats useful, combined with my X1950Pro thread (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=25301) its pretty much the ultimate resource for all 1950 series owners.

[Zubasa]

Forthed

[tkpenalty]

I'll now 3rd it :D but seriously, thers a lot of info in here thats useful, combined with my X1950Pro thread (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=25301) its pretty much the ultimate resource for all 1950 series owners.

Merge threads? I'll post you as second-in command LOL

[Ketxxx]

Sweet, 2nd in command will do me :D

[tkpenalty]

On the database Ketxxx, you control the Bios modding content!

Funny thing is that I can't get the AcceleroX2 off my X1950PRO... So much suction, I don't want to damage the fragile BGA mounts.



Here is the new database, don't post in it! It contains the information posted by you guys.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread=1#post282581... shortened url dammit!!!
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=282583#post282583

[tkpenalty]

Okay this isnt fucking funny anymore, some fag keeps five starring every thread posted here and one starring this thread. Seriously, get a life whoever you are becasue you know who you are, bloody fucking cowards.

(Mods let this one pass, you guys can't do anything about the voting thing >_>).

[Alcpone]

Okay this isnt fucking funny anymore, some fag keeps five starring every thread posted here and one starring this thread. Seriously, get a life whoever you are becasue you know who you are, bloody fucking cowards.

(Mods let this one pass, you guys can't do anything about the voting thing >_>).

The people that know this thread is informative and useful know it is, whoever it is? That is 1 staring is trying to get a rise out of you and it looks like its working, maybe it is someone that you have had a difference of opinion with, im sure the mods or w1zzard can see who it is from the records!

[Tatty_One]

TK, I am an NVidia owner and as you know I visit the thread quite often just to learn a bit more and find it useful as I like to know about everything hardware, not just what I have got so IMO best to ignore the monkey(s), the more you get pissed the more you fuel their childish (but in their eyes amusing I am sure) reason for continuing doing it.

[Frick]

Okay this isnt fucking funny anymore, some fag keeps five starring every thread posted here and one starring this thread. Seriously, get a life whoever you are becasue you know who you are, bloody fucking cowards.

(Mods let this one pass, you guys can't do anything about the voting thing >_>).

What, anyone actually cares about those stars? Interesting.

[dashsmashed]

hey all...

just spent a few hours reading this thread ... phew lotta info !!! good job all !!

i have an AGP 512 sapphire which I have replaced the stock cooler with an X2.. and the VRM attachment - word of warning....

i had to buy it from Artic's fleabay shop and they shipped it from Hongkong..

cost an extra £5(ish).. I was none to chuffed to discover it doesnt fit... the thermal pads wont line up unless you chop a chunk out of one of the corners :shadedshu ... not sure if this is just an AGP issue..

nonetheless I did the necessary mod and it's now attached and i stuck an extra heatsink on top of it to be sure.. my temps now never go above 50c (good) and i have an ok o/c 631/749 with no issues...

I still think this should go higher but i cant get it stable.. it's weird.. the crash behaves in exactly the same way as before I replaced the cooler and tried to o/c...runs for a bit then freezes for a couple of seconds and then the picture "bleeds" off the screen ... monitor goes into standby and a reset is required to resume normal operations :confused:



ps... wish i'd known the tip about reseting the res at new install earlier... cost me 2 weeks of stanby heartache and tried 2 new PSU's before I discovered a workaround for my old Visionmaster 400 !! lol :banghead: (have now replaced with a nice Hanns-g 19 wide)

come to think about it, when i did get it working I had the res set to an acceptable level and had the same problem... only solution for me was to wait till pc had fully booted...then switch it on

[tkpenalty]

It is.

The crashes are caused by the lack of voltages, go to Ketxxx's bios modding thread to find more info.

[dashsmashed]

It is.

The crashes are caused by the lack of voltages, go to Ketxxx's bios modding thread to find more info.

No sapphire AGP there yet... :( I dunno if its even got a voltage table yet (fingers crossed) :D

[tkpenalty]

It does, at those clocks you would need a small voltage boost to keep it stable.

(Its someone from the Nvidia club for sure)

[tkpenalty]

w00t new location. K.. um, this clubhouse is supposed to be for support though.

Guys any ideas on how to remove my AcceleroX2 from my X1950PRO without tearing off the BGA mounted ram modules?

[Alcpone]

w00t new location. K.. um, this clubhouse is supposed to be for support though.

Guys any ideas on how to remove my AcceleroX2 from my X1950PRO without tearing off the BGA mounted ram modules?

The modules will go back on, I have had mine on and off about 4 times lol, guess that is what will happen if they have to come off to get your fan off? I dont know how yours looks?

[tkpenalty]

^BGA = ball grid array = a pain to resolder on ICs = fragile

The RAM thermal pads are stuck on via suction, if I pull to much the whole IC can be torn off.

[Alcpone]

^BGA = ball grid array = a pain to resolder on ICs = fragile

The RAM thermal pads are stuck on via suction, if I pull to much the whole IC can be torn off.

Ohh I see lol

What clocks do you get out of it?

[Ling-ling]

Use a small jewellers screwdriver or art-knife, just try to wedge it between the ramsink and the chip, and gently twist to try and lift the corner of the heatsink. Once you have slightly lifted it, you can then use a slightly larger screwdriver to lift it higher and remove it using your fingers. I've done this several times myself.

[tkpenalty]

Thanks :D

how did you get such a big siggy?

[Ling-ling]

Thanks :D

how did you get such a big siggy?

I use a link to a picture hosted by imageshack :)

[tkpenalty]

This card refuses to overclock...

621/something goes here that likes artifacting

[erocker]

Hey Tk, Ketxxx was saying something like we can't OC our cards because the BIOS doesn't let you. I'm curious to see how well your card works with your cooler.

[tkpenalty]

Doesn't matter what cooler you are using, water cooling, etc, you will never go past 621mhz without needing to push the voltages (HIS are "prepushed").

This card barely overclocks T_T.....not that I need to :roll:.

The cooler surely keeps this card cool but its limited by the voltage factor. Imho this is the most bizzare card I've come across to overclock, with ATT going 900 clock speed is "perfect". NONE of the programs do it properly atm, its like rather than using cement barricades to prevent cars from crashing, you are using wet ricepaper instead.

W1zzard... hurry... i am in need of a properly overclockable/voltage controllable X1950PRO tool.

[Alcpone]

Doesn't matter what cooler you are using, water cooling, etc, you will never go past 621mhz without needing to push the voltages (HIS are "prepushed").

This card barely overclocks T_T.....not that I need to :roll:.

The cooler surely keeps this card cool but its limited by the voltage factor. Imho this is the most bizzare card I've come across to overclock, with ATT going 900 clock speed is "perfect". NONE of the programs do it properly atm, its like rather than using cement barricades to prevent cars from crashing, you are using wet ricepaper instead.

W1zzard... hurry... i am in need of a properly overclockable/voltage controllable X1950PRO tool.



Have you checked ketxxx thread on bios? You may not have a voltage table or any hardware on the board to do anything major with it, I was stuck @ 621 until ketxxx fiddled and I got a bios with a voltage table, my original did not but the card works faster with the newer bios!

[freeboy]

Evidently there is an HIS VIVO card, but it looks exactly the same and I think maybe all HIS x1950 Pro Turbos are VIVO ready just did not include the four to one dongle and software, does anyone know?

[Ketxxx]

New card is in.. torturing it like any good OCer would do. gonna kill off its gay write protection it has soon so I can flash it, almost certain the BIOS is locked on it.

[tkpenalty]

New card is in.. torturing it like any good OCer would do. gonna kill off its gay write protection it has soon so I can flash it, almost certain the BIOS is locked on it.

I'm so confused... I don't get flashing 100%...

[Alcpone]

I'm so confused... I don't get flashing 100%...

Gfx cards have bios', you can flash them to a modded bios to get more volts, better timings and other different tweaks, basically gives you abit more umph...

You should speak to ket about a modded bios ;)

[paddel]

Hi Guys, is it possible to fix the 3D Mod by Overdrive? I have the Gecube X1950XT Card and I see the actual taktrate GPU 499,5 and memory 598....I know that the rates will be changed by playing, but is it possible to fix it, if yes please explain me....thanks.

Regards
Paddel :)

[Zubasa]

So this is where the thread end up...

[tkpenalty]

So this is where the thread end up...

You were finding it?

Franky, I think I wasted money on my slot blower, the AcceleroX2 is good for the fact that it is not affected by the following:

1. Positioning of the GPU, I.E. Top slot, bottom slot.
2. Ambient temps
3. Air pressure.

I installed the slot blower and whaddya know, no difference. If I had the reference cooler it would work heaps great (euqivalent to a X1950XT cooler). But with the accelero there was no difference. I even moved the GPU to the lower slot and i was surprised. I'll leve it at the bottom slot so then I can use my Thermaltake Cyclo RAM cooler.

(holy shit DDRII is so fucking cheap... 512 667DDRII is now $43AUD... $1GB = $70AUD used to be two times more expensive!!!!)

Weird thing was that I had to flash the card at the bottom slot, flashing it on the top slot didnt work which i think is fking weird as hell.

[tkpenalty]

Wow it has been a long time, time to bump this club.

K.. after installing the GPU at the bottom slot (to accomodate the thermaltake cyclo) my temps were the same, 40*C idle & 53*C load, then... The sound card was installed, i then checked today, apparently its hit 50*C idle T_T. Meh time to use onboard audio again.

[munz778]

I've already send an email out to PowerColor about this but I'd like to request user input on this forum with regards to the VRM heat issue please:

I'm using the Cooler Master Aerogate 3 fan controller to monitor temps with sensors as well as ATItool to monitor core temps. I took one of the temperature probes and placed its tip in the wedge between the PCB and the VR chip (the one on the bottom corner of the card).

At idle, (Vista desktop) the temperature of the VR is 77C (too hot to hold my finger to when IDLE) and at load the temperature reached 90C in less than 30 seconds of scanning for artifacts. Please note these temperatures were taken with the computer's case open and room temperature at 22C, so the temperatures with the computer's case closed will obviously be higher. Further, the probe can not display temperatures above 90C and i'm sure it went higher because the core temps take at least 5 mins to level off, not 30 seconds.

The core temperature is good, it remains under 60C at load even with the case closed. The VR is what's concerning me, and I have been getting artifacts after a few minutes of ATItool stress testing (no overclocking whatsoever).

Is it safe to assume the reason for my artifacts is this VR heat issue? If so what can I do about it? Can I use RAM heat sinks on these chips? Even the chips with the black coolers are very hot, can I also install RAMsinks on these as well? Obviously an adhesive needs to be used, otherwise the HS would fall off. This would also mean getting the HS placed correctly the first time is paramount - there's zero margin for error. Surely this will reduce the lifespan of my card, right? I know technology is constantly advancing, but 90C+ for silicon? That's just wrong. Any thoughts?

[Alcpone]

I've already send an email out to PowerColor about this but I'd like to request user input on this forum with regards to the VRM heat issue please:

I'm using the Cooler Master Aerogate 3 fan controller to monitor temps with sensors as well as ATItool to monitor core temps. I took one of the temperature probes and placed its tip in the wedge between the PCB and the VR chip (the one on the bottom corner of the card).

At idle, (Vista desktop) the temperature of the VR is 77C (too hot to hold my finger to when IDLE) and at load the temperature reached 90C in less than 30 seconds of scanning for artifacts. Please note these temperatures were taken with the computer's case open and room temperature at 22C, so the temperatures with the computer's case closed will obviously be higher. Further, the probe can not display temperatures above 90C and i'm sure it went higher because the core temps take at least 5 mins to level off, not 30 seconds.

The core temperature is good, it remains under 60C at load even with the case closed. The VR is what's concerning me, and I have been getting artifacts after a few minutes of ATItool stress testing (no overclocking whatsoever).

Is it safe to assume the reason for my artifacts is this VR heat issue? If so what can I do about it? Can I use RAM heat sinks on these chips? Even the chips with the black coolers are very hot, can I also install RAMsinks on these as well? Obviously an adhesive needs to be used, otherwise the HS would fall off. This would also mean getting the HS placed correctly the first time is paramount - there's zero margin for error. Surely this will reduce the lifespan of my card, right? I know technology is constantly advancing, but 90C+ for silicon? That's just wrong. Any thoughts?

I remember someone posting that 120c is about the max the vrm can run @ without giving issues ;)

[bundlebr]

I remember someone posting that 120c is about the max the vrm can run @ without giving issues ;)

Yeah, but it's very high, and, without proper ventilation, may cause problems to other components on the board or around.

I've replaced the stock cooler with Thermalright's HR-03, and stack HS's on each chip. It was very helpful to put a piece of Thermagon and large HS on the back of the card...

If you're really concerned, look at the IR images of my card at idle and under load. There is HS on top of the Pulse chip of VRM, but no large HS on the back of the card. Here is the link to Ketxxx's thread:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=25301&page=18

[munz778]

Alcpone, bundlebr: i've got a factory fitted accelero x2 slapped on my powercolor. the company has installed coolers on two of the four VR chips (one on mem VR, one on GPU VR) so the VRM (plate) won't fit. what are my options? can i use one of these (http://www.chillblast.com/home.php?cat=148)? will they fall off/cause any other complications? which one's best for this purpose? i'd prefer the tried and tested approach as opposed to experimenting.

[tkpenalty]

Dude, it already has heatsinks so dont worry. The Pulse and the VTEC are not VRMs. 77*C Will not hurt the VRM chips anyway so stop worrying. The drivers are usually at fault not the card itself. What drivers are you on anyway?

[munz778]

but if it's nothing to worry about then why am i getting artifacts at stock speeds? atitool can't run more than 3 minutes...and that's being optimistic.

[tkpenalty]

but if it's nothing to worry about then why am i getting artifacts at stock speeds? atitool can't run more than 3 minutes...and that's being optimistic.

RMA. Thats all you need to do >_>. Stop arguing and RMA immediately, I hate people who keep asking questions when the only option is to RMA.

[munz778]

RMA. Thats all you need to do >_>. Stop arguing and RMA immediately, I hate people who keep asking questions when the only option is to RMA.

look pal, where you're sitting it may be easy for you to RMA. you might just walk down the street to your computer shop. not everyone is in the same place in the world. i had to import the card because they're not available locally so it's very difficult to send it back, clear it with customs on its way out, pay freight charges to hong kong and back, clear it again with customs etc.

i'd rather exhaust all available options and get a clear picture of the problem before having to go through the above steps. it's not like i'm making 100 threads on the topic, i'm simply asking a few questions and adding to an existing discussion by trying to get some info.

[tkpenalty]

...

Then try different drivers. Try all of them that work with X1950PRO. Try omega drivers, do you mean they artifact upon the desktop? That might be something with the drivers. Where do you live anyway?

[munz778]

i've only tried the cat 7.2s under vista and was under the impression that they worked pretty well with the x1950s, better than previous releases. i could try another driver as you recommended, the thing is sometimes the card works fine after hours of gaming. other times the computer crashes within minutes of gaming. because i have everything set up pretty much the way i want it (home network, OS's, programs, drivers etc) i just want to get all the necessary info before deciding whether to change the software (driver/os) or the hardware (additional cooling), my dilemma here being that i have yet to decide whether this is the classic case of "if it ain't broke, then don't try to fix it" or whether there is actually a problem.

your point about temps and the chips is noted, thanks for the heads up cause i didn't know what chip was for what, with the exception that they're very hot. i had read on another forum someone with similar problems as myself added a fan near the corner that gets heated and their problems were solved. i haven't got enough room for a fan and don't want to mod till i know exactly what i'm doing.

i live in karachi, the local market here tends to sport more nvidia gear - at least when it comes to mid - high end gfx cards.

[tkpenalty]

Driver 7.2 has many issues with many games. It makes them produce artifacts explicit to "the end of the GPU's life", which is not. Try older beta drivers since those actually work properly. I was @ total wtf-ness when dog's head in HL2:EP1 was flying around the place and the whole place blacked out, with the depth in field effects black. Then I switched back, problem solved.

Where you live there is probably a "market lag" at the moment, or that its easier to ship. The fan wont help though. The VRMs dont complain when heated. The heatsinks store the energy longer since they are ceramic and painted black. But yes, they generate and accumulate heat in a way that heatsinking it will actually improve performance.

[munz778]

ah ic, that thought did cross my mind, and cooling the VRM may actually degrade performance because they're meant to accumulate heat by design. i dismissed it thinking back to the older designs where anything (specifically silicon processors/gpus etc) above 90C is usually toast or will be soon. plus when i found out arctic cooling had released the VRM plate i got even more concerned that this is potentially a problem area.

thanks for the info, i noticed you also have a powercolor, with the VRM plate. i'm assuming you installed it yourself, may i ask why (ie: for stability or for more overclocking headroom) and did it help?

also the artifacts pop up during the ATItool scan for artifacts test, usually some time after the first minute. the maximum i've gone is about 9 mins without artifacts and haven't been able to reproduce that result since. games look ok, but as i mentioned already i have had a few crashes during gaming.

[tkpenalty]

nah I didnt put teh VRM plate, In fact I kicked it around then bent it up since I wasted 1 green back for it T_T. ATI Tool is not for any X1950PRO that you will touch, it fucks up 100% every time.

[Tatty_One]

OK, finally after a 2 and a half month war with overclockers UK I am finally getting a warranty replacement for my old 1800XT.

They are sending me this card:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-066-PC

Apparently the one review I managed to find on this said that it overclocked to 685 Core and 1075 memory! It already stocks at higher than normal 1950XT's as you will see from link, that would make it a 256MB version of the 1950XTX without the GDDR4, well faster actually but when you take the lesser memory into account around the same performance I think.

Right the problem...... do I keep my 7900GTO (details/clocks in specs) and flea bay the brand new unopened 1950XT or vice versa? I game at 1600 x 1050 so there is some benefit from the 512MB of the 7900GTO but even taking that into account I am guessing the 1950XT's performance would still match it.......what you think? I should stress that the GTO IS performing faster than a GTX at stock by a fair bit.

I am aware of the AA/HDR benefits of ATi, I am aware of the OpenGL benefits of Nvidia, please no fanboi stuff just honest thoughts and facts, key factors for me are:

Speed!
IQ
Memory Quantity
Perhaps SLI or Crossfire in future (anyone know if the 1950XT is crossfire 2?) ie no master card needed.
And the 7900 GTO has HDCP also.

I spose I am asking for trouble posing this question on this thread! so think of them both as ATi for a moment and just look at specs/capabilities please! :eek:

[tkpenalty]

http://www.powercolor.com/global/images/assets/PCIE_X1950_X1950%20XT%20512MB/PSD/image_b_s.jpg

WTF?! X1950XT Extreme Supports no crossfire?

Now that is fucked.... Okay apart from that, X1950XT > 7900GTO any day of the week. Open GL is becoming phased out due to its inflexibility. I do suggest rather than getting one X1950XT that doesn support crossfire, get two X1950PROs... it will do a lot better.
With the IQ, ATI does it better usually.

EDIT:

Apparently, powercolor has used the X1950PRO PCB and put the X1950XT core and memory. Please note that the crossfire dongles do not mean it can do crossfire, until a modified bios is released.


Btw, powercolor only produces the gpus in these series:

X1950 Series
X1650 Series (or the new X16xxx series)
X1550 Series (or the new X13xxx series
X1050 Series

[Tatty_One]

http://www.powercolor.com/global/images/assets/PCIE_X1950_X1950%20XT%20512MB/PSD/image_b_s.jpg

WTF?! X1950XT Extreme Supports no crossfire?

Now that is fucked.... Okay apart from that, X1950XT > 7900GTO any day of the week. Open GL is becoming phased out due to its inflexibility. I do suggest rather than getting one X1950XT that doesn support crossfire, get two X1950PROs... it will do a lot better.
With the IQ, ATI does it better usually.

EDIT:

Apparently, powercolor has used the X1950PRO PCB and put the X1950XT core and memory. Please note that the crossfire dongles do not mean it can do crossfire, until a modified bios is released.


Btw, powercolor only produces the gpus in these series:

X1950 Series
X1650 Series (or the new X16xxx series)
X1550 Series (or the new X13xxx series
X1050 Series


But your link is NOT the card I am getting. Do you reckon its as fast as the 7900?

[technicks]

Which X1950 XT do you get Tatty?

[Tatty_One]

Which X1950 XT do you get Tatty?

The link to the store is in post 888 just above, it's not on the Powercolor site, I think it's a limited edition for Europe.

[tkpenalty]

The link to the store is in post 888 just above, it's not on the Powercolor site, I think it's a limited edition for Europe.

Someone like you should know that they photoshopped the image. Have a closer look. It doesnt support Crossfire and the cooler has a RED label.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/GX-066-PC_400.jpg

http://www.powercolor.com/global/images/assets/PCIE_X1950_X1950%20XT%20512MB/PSD/image_b_s.jpg

that is the real deal:
http://www.powercolor.com/global/main_product_detail.asp?id=160

http://www.powercolor.com/global/images/assets/PCIE_X1950_X1950%20PRO%20256MB/PSD/image_b_s.jpg

The new and ugly X1950PRO/GT *cries in pain*

http://www.powercolor.com/global/images/assets/PCIE_X1950_X1950%20PRO%20Xtreme%20256MB/PSD/image_b_s.jpg

at least they still have the VRM version..

http://www.powercolor.com/global/images/assets/PCIE_X1950_X1950%20PRO%20SCS3/PSD/image_b_s.jpg
Instead of acceleroX2 + VRM Ceramic heatsinks, this is the SC1 + AcceleroX2 VRM Plate!

[DOM]

did you look at the card in the box its not the same coller as the one out of the box :wtf:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showphoto.php?src=/pimg/GX-066-PC_400.jpg&name=PowerColor

[tkpenalty]

Um... look at what I posted, itll inject some sense to yourself, post #893 The X1950XT displayed however is a photoshop by powercolor, the X1950XT Extreme has the standard X1950XT PCB, my bad lol...

[technicks]

I get my Sapphire X1950 XT on wednesday. I rma'd the Pro and a week later i got a email that i had credit to buy a card. That's fast:D.

[tkpenalty]

*Feels left out of the X1950XT bus...*

[DOM]

*Feels left out of the X1950XT bus...*

sell you mine :laugh:

[Tatty_One]

*Feels left out of the X1950XT bus...*

Awwwww, so to clear things up......we dont know wtf I am getting! Now as I see it the XT is R580 and the Pro RV570....right? but the good thing about the 1950XT from what I have just read over the 1950XTX which is also R580 is that the XT is 80nm when the XTX with the same core is 90nm......very strange, here's a link to that info:

http://pda.hardware.info/en-US/articles/amdnY2pwZGSa/ATI_Radeon_X1650_XT_X1950_Pro_X1950_XT_videocard_t est/

Anyways, we will see about the Crossfire2 support when it arrives Tuesday I spose, the outcome of that may just make me decide to keep the 7900GTO, but getting back to my origional point.......whats the faster/better, the 1950XT 256MB or the 7900GTO in excess of GTX speeds at 512MB????

[DOM]

whats the faster/better, the 1950XT 256MB or the 7900GTO in excess of GTX speeds at 512MB????

well this is what I get with it in 3DMark05 at 3.6GHz and card stock try to look for my others


GT1 - Return To Proxycon 56.2 fps

GT2 - Firefly Forest 34.2 fps

GT3 - Canyon Flight 63.8 fps

[Tatty_One]

well this is what I get with it in 3DMark05 at 3.6GHz and card stock try to look for my others


GT1 - Return To Proxycon 56.2 fps

GT2 - Firefly Forest 34.2 fps

GT3 - Canyon Flight 63.8 fps

Thanks I will check what I got with the 7900GTO and a 4000+ at 3.2Gig, what is stock for your card?

[DOM]

Thanks I will check what I got with the 7900GTO and a 4000+ at 3.2Gig, what is stock for your card?

621/900

[Tatty_One]

Here's mine but the 7900GTO was at 705/820 I beleive for this one on my Athlon 4000 at 3.2Gig:

GT1 - Return To Proxycon 49.3 fps

GT2 - Firefly Forest 37.3 fps

GT3 - Canyon Flight 57.4 fps

I am just wondering how much is down to your C2D tho. Having said that I reckon without the CPU factor with an overclocked 1950XT it would still better the score for the GTO.

Edit: Thanks that makes me feel better! This card coming stocks at 650/900.

[DOM]

Here's mine but the 7900GTO was at 705/820 I beleive for this one on my Athlon 4000 at 3.2Gig:

GT1 - Return To Proxycon 49.3 fps

GT2 - Firefly Forest 37.3 fps

GT3 - Canyon Flight 57.4 fps

well do you want me to run some other test I dont mind but im trying to download my stuff for my mobo cuz I reinstailled my OS but damn site is being a bitch :mad: and I can run the cpu at stock or slower then 3.6GHz

Edit: Thanks that makes me feel better! This card coming stocks at 650/900.

mines stock 650 but with the HIS tune thing it comes with but atitool sees it at 621 and on stock volts I got it to 675/975 somthing like that but I'll check when I get all my things downloaded

[Tatty_One]

well do you want me to run some other test I dont mind but im trying to download my stuff for my mobo cuz I reinstailled my OS but damn site is being a bitch :mad: and I can run the cpu at stock or slower then 3.6GHz



mines stock 650 but with the HIS tune thing it comes with but atitool sees it at 621 and on stock volts I got it to 675/975 somthing like that but I'll check when I get all my things downloaded

No need but thanks for the offer, I will wait first till it arrives and I can check the crossfire but thanks for your help, you are obviously very happy with the card!

[DOM]

No need but thanks for the offer, I will wait first till it arrives and I can check the crossfire but thanks for your help, you are obviously very happy with the card!

well I was untill the 8800's came out :ohwell:

but if you want any other benches let me know so if you dont want to open it so you can get more for it if you want to sell it and i'll run 05 stock on card and cpu but i'll but the card at 650/900

oh yea im going to water soon :D hope I dont kill anything but im just going for just the cpu, nd, sb, im still thinking about the card if I should sell it or just keep it :confused:

[Tatty_One]

Ok, would you run 2005 at max overclock on the card please and say set your CPU to about 2.5Gig, they say that a C2D is about 20% faster than an athlon clock for clock (maybe a bit more) so hopefully that should compensate. If you can underclock your ram to as near to DDR500 then that would be even better!

Grateful for your help!

[DOM]

Ok, would you run 2005 at max overclock on the card please and say set your CPU to about 2.5Gig, they say that a C2D is about 20% faster than an athlon clock for clock (maybe a bit more) so hopefully that should compensate. If you can underclock your ram to as near to DDR500 then that would be even better!

Grateful for your help!

cuz max do you mean bench wise? or with it where you can use it all the time while gaming

and I can set the ram at 500 which would be 250 which would put the cpu at 2GHZ

cuz it was 675/972 oc with stock volts ;) cpu at 3.2GHZ

GT1 - Return To Proxycon 63.6 fps

GT2 - Firefly Forest 37.6 fps

GT3 - Canyon Flight 72.5 fps

[Tatty_One]

[QUOTE=DOM_ATI_X800XL_PCI-E;296663]cuz max do you mean bench wise? or with it where you can use it all the time while gaming

and I can set the ram at 500 which would be 250 which would put the cpu at 2GHZ

cuz it was 675/972 oc with stock volts ;) cpu at 3.2GHZ

GT1 - Return To Proxycon 63.6 fps

GT2 - Firefly Forest 37.6 fps

GT3 - Canyon Flight 72.5 fps

Lol thats quick, how about cpu at 2.5gig whatever the ram speed and gfx at 675/972? thats about as clo9se as I am gonna get I think.

[DOM]

well I'll try it at 2.5GHz cuz this is one thing I tryed was {disable memory tim auto-tuning} I clicked it so I would be using the tighter mem tim from 2d clocks on the 3d oc and well you can be the judge the cpu is higher on the losser tim but it shows that the tigther tim makes a diff. 937 points more :eek:

lose tim
http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=12&XLID=0&UID=8555011

tighter tim
http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=12&XLID=0&UID=8554873

[DOM]

well here you go cpu at 2496GHz mem at 312MHz 4-4-4-12 2T

tighter tim +591
http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=12&XLID=0&UID=8556016
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 52.5 fps

GT2 - Firefly Forest 36.1 fps

GT3 - Canyon Flight 69.3 fps

lose tim
http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=12&XLID=0&UID=8556426
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 51.0 fps

GT2 - Firefly Forest 34.7 fps

GT3 - Canyon Flight 64.4 fps

[Tatty_One]

Thanks, that would suggest the 1950XT is marginally faster than the 7900GTX, I will keep the 1950 if it IS Crossfire 2 enabled, if not it's going to fleabay! Thanks for all your help, I owe you one! :toast:

[tkpenalty]

Awwwww, so to clear things up......we dont know wtf I am getting! Now as I see it the XT is R580 and the Pro RV570....right? but the good thing about the 1950XT from what I have just read over the 1950XTX which is also R580 is that the XT is 80nm when the XTX with the same core is 90nm......very strange, here's a link to that info:

http://pda.hardware.info/en-US/articles/amdnY2pwZGSa/ATI_Radeon_X1650_XT_X1950_Pro_X1950_XT_videocard_t est/

Anyways, we will see about the Crossfire2 support when it arrives Tuesday I spose, the outcome of that may just make me decide to keep the 7900GTO, but getting back to my origional point.......whats the faster/better, the 1950XT 256MB or the 7900GTO in excess of GTX speeds at 512MB????

1950XT > 7900GTX.

[Tatty_One]

1950XT > 7900GTX.

I just wish it was as simple as that! If it was I would just keep the 7900 as it has the 512MB but I am looking perhaps to SLi or X Fire in the future and the 2nd 1950 is going to be easier to come by & cheaper than a GTO or GTX (I can flash the GTO > GTX for the sake of SLi as they are so rare now.

Thats why it is pretty dependant on the new crossfire support. It will arrive tomorrow so hopefully I can make up my mind.

[tkpenalty]

With the X1950GT, atm I would prefer to have the Capacitor system lol:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/X1950_GT/images/power.jpg

Except It would be better if they were all solid caps though. I reckon the AcceleroX2 would work better on this new PCB design.

[Zalmann]

With the X1950GT, atm I would prefer to have the Capacitor system lol:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/X1950_GT/images/power.jpg

Except It would be better if they were all solid caps though. I reckon the AcceleroX2 would work better on this new PCB design.

What the hell are they mixing solid caps with normal electrolytics?? Must have been a cheap bodgey job.

[tkpenalty]

On the PRO version the caps are solid.

[Zalmann]

On the PRO version the caps are solid.

I guess it's a manufacturers cost saving thing. Solid caps are a lot more dearer, but also last up to 5 times as long.

[bundlebr]

On the PRO version the caps are solid.

Nah, on the NEW Sapphire X1950 Pro, this entire area looks exactly the same as it is in your picture. I got both new and old Pro cards, and the PCB layout + HS design are different.:wtf:

[Alcpone]

Nah, on the NEW Sapphire X1950 Pro, this entire area looks exactly the same as it is in your picture. I got both new and old Pro cards, and the PCB layout + HS design are different.:wtf:

Whats your 3dmark06 score? You should join the comp in my sig ;)

[bundlebr]

Whats your 3dmark06 score? You should join the comp in my sig ;)

In Crossfire, it's ~9160 for 3DMark06 and ~18322 for 3DMark05. Have to check my records without CF, should be around 5500 for '06.

[Alcpone]

In Crossfire, it's ~9160 for 3DMark06 and ~18322 for 3DMark05. Have to check my records without CF, should be around 5500 for '06.

If you post the screenies in the thread in my sig then I can add you ;)

[Tatty_One]

Got the 1950XT extreme @ 650/1800 warranty replacement today, It comes with the accelero x2 fitted as standard but it is not Crossfire2 or whatever it's called so I think I am going to keep the GTO and this thing is going in that bin called fleabay :eek:

Edit: I have just read that this card only works with the NEW "software" crossfire, no bridge/dongle etc, apparantly this software is only found in Catalyst 6.11onwards.......wtf is all that about, can someone please give me a clue?

[Tatty_One]

Just read a review on this software crossfire.....it's actually good! the simplest option for crossfire.......hmmm might keep it now and get the wife to buy me a second 1950XT for my birthday in June. (after I have sold the GTO, mobo, ram and Opty) and bought my AM2 Rig.

The short review is here for anyone interested:

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1000/software_crossfire_tested_with_catalyst_6_11_drive rs/index.html

[tkpenalty]

lol yeah, but the performance boost is way lower than true crossfire, 2 X1950PRO in crossfire > 2 X1950XT in software crossfire.

Now off topic and into libel-r-us mode:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=28179
Okay this faggot who posted this thread is going down now! I swear he has no sense of reality. As if someone who only has $100 can afford a bloody $300 GPU.

I didnt get to post in that thread anyway so now I will have to say something about it. Eric_cartman does not realise that the 7600GT have so many variants, of which the ones that outperform the X1650XT are much more expensive; i.e. Fatal1ty range or the "superclocked" versions. X1650XT is fairly new and DOES NOT have many variants yet. X1650XT when compared to a "normal" 7600GT beats 7600GT overall, the X1650XT is a more all around performer.

Now, he calls me a fanboi-now ill call him a troller.

[Tatty_One]

lol yeah, but the performance boost is way lower than true crossfire, 2 X1950PRO in crossfire > 2 X1950XT in software crossfire.

Now off topic and into libel-r-us mode:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=28179
Okay this faggot who posted this thread is going down now! I swear he has no sense of reality. As if someone who only has $100 can afford a bloody $300 GPU.

I didnt get to post in that thread anyway so now I will have to say something about it. Eric_cartman does not realise that the 7600GT have so many variants, of which the ones that outperform the X1650XT are much more expensive; i.e. Fatal1ty range or the "superclocked" versions. X1650XT is fairly new and DOES NOT have many variants yet. X1650XT when compared to a "normal" 7600GT beats 7600GT overall, the X1650XT is a more all around performer.

Now, he calls me a fanboi-now ill call him a troller.


I am at work now but I will show you a link to a review when I get home that said that the software crossfire for the 1950XT was 1200 3D Mark 2006 points faster than 1950Pro crossfire and the pro did not match the xt in any bench, although I appreciate that different reviews can say different things.

[tkpenalty]

Hmm... what CPU did it use? You need a C2D > 2.0Ghz for the potential to be utilised.

[leeko]

Ok, hopefully this is the right thread as I just googled it up.

I am having a very frustrating problem with my Sapphire X1950XT.
Under any serious stress, running on stock 3D voltages & clocks,
the voltage regulator climbs pretty quickly to >70C. When it nears
or reaches 80C my computer shuts down.

CPU, mobo and the rest of the temps are fine. So, suggestions,
what could be wrong? I'm not very happy running my card underclocked
to be able to play.

My PSU is Fortron Blue Storm II 500W rev2:
12V1 / 18A, 12V2 / 18A - 480W (tho I read the rails are "virtual"
so basically just one rail -> 18+18A=36A?).

ps. the video card also has stock cooler still attached.

[Tatty_One]

Hmm... what CPU did it use? You need a C2D > 2.0Ghz for the potential to be utilised.

C2D E6600 at stock.

[Tatty_One]

Ok, hopefully this is the right thread as I just googled it up.

I am having a very frustrating problem with my Sapphire X1950XT.
Under any serious stress, running on stock 3D voltages & clocks,
the voltage regulator climbs pretty quickly to >70C. When it nears
or reaches 80C my computer shuts down.

CPU, mobo and the rest of the temps are fine. So, suggestions,
what could be wrong? I'm not very happy running my card underclocked
to be able to play.

My PSU is Fortron Blue Storm II 500W rev2:
12V1 / 18A, 12V2 / 18A - 480W (tho I read the rails are "virtual"
so basically just one rail -> 18+18A=36A?).

ps. the video card also has stock cooler still attached.

Amperage is fine, I would suggest that the stock cooler is either not sitting correctly on the GPU or there is not enuff thermal past applied or it's just crap paste. Would suggest you get some Artic Silver or ceramique and reapply making sure its thoroughly cleaned first.

[leeko]

http://www2.lut.fi/~jkokko/problem.gif

Is this intended action from the driver?

[Tatty_One]

No not normally a driver issue, I cant speak for anyone else but personally I tend to take some of the ATi tool readouts with a "pinch of salt" for example, that graphic shows you are drawing 27.3Amps of power just for your graphics card, sorry just do not beleive that at all, thats an obscene amount! If thats the case and there is that much power beeing drawn thru the card I am surprised its not floating in hell by now.

What PSU have you got with how many 12V rails and what is their ratings?

[leeko]

Hmm... Wrote it in the previous post but here's it again:

PSU: Fortron Blue Storm II 500W rev.2:
12V1 / 18A, 12V2 / 18A - 480W

Some review of the PSU said they're "virtual rails". By that I
understood there is basically just one 12V rail. There isn't
much details even in Fortron's website. Just don't mix this
PSU with the rev.1, which seems to have only 15A on 12V
rails.

And thanks for the help this far!

[tkpenalty]

Whats the amperage calculations again? Combining them together... its around 36 amps (or something). VRMs need heat to run properly lol... seriously, they usually are around 90*C on normal usage-thats barely hot for them.

However my X1950PRO Draws the same amperage tatty... the calculated not the actual amperage. I think when they hit 80*C they are pulling around the max amperage, thus, houston, we have a problem (lol), I say it has to do with your PSU, because I think it seems like a generic/low-tier brand (correct me if I am wrong).

Try requesting an RMA or run different programs, but at this point it has to be your PSU, usually driver issues will just crash the card or bsod.

EDIT: It seems to me that that PSU's age of production is one of the issues. It is such an old model that I highly doubt the rails are powerful enough. Remember the X1950 series requires A powerful ATX12V 2.2 PSU, not something cheesy and overdone with bling, but the PSUs that have the following:

-Top/Mid Tier Brand
-High amperage
-Is a recent model, newer than 2005.
-High efficiency

Most importantly:

-Have around 500W+
-True Multirails OR High amperage single rail (40amps+)

[leeko]

Whats the amperage calculations again? Because an 18 Amp Rail isn't very sturdy. Combining them together... its around 36 amps. VRMs need heat to run properly lol... seriously, they usually are around 90*C on normal usage-thats barely hot for them.

I'm not sure what is the combined current. And Fortron's site doesn't have any specifications
for this model. But if those 2x rails are "virtual", by that, I would understand there's actually just one 36A 12V rail. Anybody, with understanding in electronics, feel free to correct my beliefs.

[tkpenalty]

eh... that PSU is of such an old model, if it doesnt come with the PCI-E Connector, thats your problem, since the adapters arent such a good idea on such a high end card like the X1950XT.

[leeko]

eh... that PSU is of such an old model, if it doesnt come with the PCI-E Connector, thats your problem, since the adapters arent such a good idea on such a high end card like the X1950XT.

It has two PCI-E connectors. And for all I know Fortron (FSP) makes very reputable PSUs.
And the combined current seems to be 36A on 12V rail.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104034

[tkpenalty]

Weird... okay it doesnt seem to be this problem, try a request for the GPU to be RMA'ed.

[tkpenalty]

http://img.techpowerup.org/070330/x1950xt.jpg

.... speechless.. .Batou1986's 1337nes... why arent the memory chips cooled though? :wtf:

[Batou1986]

as nice as it looks the tec is only 20W so its not that effective i plan on going with a zalman vf-900 setup for some reason i cant set clocks in ATI tool beta 27 and yes those are some sammys on there

http://img.techpowerup.org/070330/Untitled-3.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/070330/Untitled-1.jpg

I have no Idea why there not Cooled :mad:

[Bloodbrother]

Hi,

Here a methode for Flashing a XpertVision X1950GT Super 512MB to X1950Pro.

http://www.generation-3d.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=190025207&st=30

It should work for Palit Cards too.

Command for flashing :

Atiflash -p -atmel 0 rv570pro.bin -f

Bye

[tkpenalty]

as nice as it looks the tec is only 20W so its not that effective i plan on going with a zalman vf-900 setup for some reason i cant set clocks in ATI tool beta 27 and yes those are some sammys on there

http://img.techpowerup.org/070330/Untitled-3.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/070330/Untitled-1.jpg

I have no Idea why there not Cooled :mad:

72*C is way too hot for comfort...

EDIT: Rate my rig, i like that style http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/details.php?id=696

[tkpenalty]

Man, almost 1k posts in this thread >=D.

I get 9.3k in 3D Mark 05 btw guys, seems a bit low, um would the RAM be my bottleneck? Its crappy generic stuff btw.

[Tatty_One]

Man, almost 1k posts in this thread >=D.

I get 9.3k in 3D Mark 05 btw guys, seems a bit low, um would the RAM be my bottleneck? Its crappy generic stuff btw.

No, it's the 1950Pro, it's a little slow you know :D

Seriously though, you should be scoring higher than that even with the Ram, try a bandwidth test thru everest or SiSsoft Sandra to see how the RAM is performing.

On a more serious note, it may actually be your Graphics card, I got 10200 on a 7900GT with a Venice 3800 at 2.7Gig on 2005, your score is a little bit worrying. 2005 is much less CPU/System dependant than 2006 so it should not really be your memory, and my old 10200 score with the 7900GT was with plain old DDR value ram!

Is your 6300 at stock?

[Batou1986]

yea 9.3k is way low i got 8.8 and my cpu is mostly the blame for that and t2 ram don't help:cool:

[mehukatti]

i get only 3900points on 3dmark06 something wrong? other specs amd 3700sd@2850 and 400mhz 1gb kingston and mobo is assrock dual-sata. i dont think that mem needs any cooling(or im just lazy) trying on finger they dont feel so warm.

[Tatty_One]

i get only 3900points on 3dmark06 something wrong? other specs amd 3700sd@2850 and 400mhz 1gb kingston and mobo is assrock dual-sata. i dont think that mem needs any cooling(or im just lazy) trying on finger they dont feel so warm.

Whats your graphics card?, it would help if you listed your full specs in "user CP", is your gig of ram just one stick or 2 x 512MB?

[tkpenalty]

Btw tatty_one, its not my GPU, its the RAM, its shitty generic RAM. Worse than valueram, I had to compromise. Btw I know what was causing this score bottleneck, my god damn HDD configuration, I had the OS installed on the outside edge of my HDD; causing a nasty bottleneck. Now that its fixed everything runs faster.

On a second note, it might be the motherboard.

[mehukatti]

sorry for that
i had sapphire x1950pro 256mb and 2*512mb stick its on dualchannel
weird thing, my old card(7900gt) points on 05 was about two times higher than 06 but with this
card they isnt. 05 9500 and 06 3900

[Tatty_One]

TK, in 2005 tho the system plays much less a part in the bench unlike 2006, its about 50/50 in 2006 where in 2005 the GPU is 75% (ish) of the test.
By the way, as an aside, I am going to sell the 1950XT extreme silent, will keep the 7900GTO until June and for a birthday pressie will sell the gto and get either R600 or 8800GTS.

mehukatti, thats about right then with a single core, i presume your memory is around stock speeds? I got 5900 on 2006 with the GTO at 7900GTX speeds and a single core 4000+ but that was running at 3.2Gig with memory at 480Mhz 2.5-3-2-5@1T.

Anyways, I dont think syntetic benches are necessarily the 1950pro's strongest point, it excels more in IQ and real world gaming mefinks.

[tkpenalty]

Processor? I think its the processor at fault.

Btw tatty, SISSoftsandra says:

RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd: 4617MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd : 4635MB/s.

Obviously the RAM is at fault! Those scores are incredibly low!

[Tatty_One]

Processor? I think its the processor at fault.

Btw tatty, SISSoftsandra says:

RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd: 4617MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd : 4635MB/s.

Obviously the RAM is at fault! Those scores are incredibly low!

Yes they are far too low, I get near 7000 outta ddr400 @500, thats a bit worrying, all that CPU speed as well....flea bay that memory!

[tkpenalty]

Yes they are far too low, I get near 7000 outta ddr400 @500, thats a bit worrying, all that CPU speed as well....flea bay that memory!

But my desktop and gaming speed isnt compromised :wtf: Like I get normal FPS like they say in benchmarks, like for BF2, etc. Yeah I might sell the ram for like $50 AUD... Is valueram good? All the CPU tests show that my CPU is one of the "good batches" lol. What does dell use? I think they use something equivalent or worse. Btw the timings since the RAM doesnt even get warm.

Is the brand Silicon Power good? 1GB stick. Comes in a case with warranty and it looks quite good. http://www.silicon-power.com/eng/about_sp.php.

I think its around valueram the memory modules are all shiny LOL (gloss? articlean?, looks like it).

EDIT: http://www.silicon-power.com/eng/dram.php, will only work with IE6/7

[tkpenalty]

Processors Information
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Number of threads 2 (max 2)
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Codename Conroe
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 0h)
CPUID 6.F.6
Extended CPUID 6.F
Core Stepping B2
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 1601.8 MHz (6.0 x 267.0 MHz)
Rated Bus speed 1067.9 MHz
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Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T
L1 Data cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
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Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Part number M3 78T2953BG0-CD5
Serial number FFFFFFFF
Manufacturing date Week 165/Year 165

Attributes
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Data width 64 bits
Correction None
EPP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 200 266 333
CAS# 3.0 4.0 5.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 3 4 5
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DIMM #2

General
Memory type DDR2
Manufacturer (ID) Samsung (CE00000000000000)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Part number M3 78T2953BG0-CD5
Serial number FFFFFFFF
Manufacturing date Week 165/Year 165

Attributes
Number of banks 1
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
EPP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 200 266 333
CAS# 3.0 4.0 5.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 3 4 5
RAS# Precharge 3 4 5
TRAS 9 12 15
TRC 12 16 20


Yeah, look at the timings O_O. Explains a lot doesnt it? That RAM i mentioned has 5-5-5 while this... LOL

[tkpenalty]

help?

[demonbrawn]

Hey guys. It took a long while (felt like it at least), but I'm glad I can be in this clubhouse now! Finally got everything up and running. My card is running like a pro, but the first thing I noticed is it has absolutely NO overclocking ability right now without the voltmod. Oh well, I don't really need it all that bad anyway. The HIS cooler runs great. I just ran FEAR and the highest temp I saw with the fan speed at 100% was 43 degrees. Can't wait til I can save up enough money to buy another and CrossFire!

[erocker]

Crap. I finally got around to removing the heat sink and fan on my HIS x1950pro and all I have to say is I'm suprised my gpu is ok. Right on the block no more than half a millimeter away from the gpu is a gouge that looks like a chissel was slammed into it. :banghead: This is going to be a long lapping job. On the bright side my gpu was already 36c at idle which is pretty cool. Maybe I'll be able to get some better overclocks on my gpu.:D

[erocker]

Yeah, look at the timings O_O. Explains a lot doesnt it? That RAM i mentioned has 5-5-5 while this... LOL

That is some awful ram. :wtf:

[tkpenalty]

Yeah got it for $35 AUD each stick so...

[Oliver]

Saphire X1950XT 256Mo
Zalman vf 900 CU led added(gained 5-10° idle 3-5° under load

Couldn't find an adapter so had to solder my wire to the power and control pins.......

Warcat 7.2 driver running stable at 648/927......but should be able to run 1950 pro speeds:shadedshu

http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/ATI1.JPG

http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/ATI2.JPG

http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/ATI3.JPG

Cheers

[tkpenalty]

I'm just curious to know but, is there any tool out there that can control the X1950PRO's PWM chip? Seriously, im sick of my fan running at 32%.

[Alcpone]

I'm just curious to know but, is there any tool out there that can control the X1950PRO's PWM chip? Seriously, im sick of my fan running at 32%.

Im suprised you can hear it @ that speed???

I really dont know what all the fuss is about with VRM's, PWM's, etc...

I aint got 1 problem with mine, just got it on water for gpu and ram sinks and fan under card to circulate, thats it! I know my clock aint massive but its fairly decent :)

[Zalmann]

I'd cut my losses and run it directly from the 12v rail, using some sort of fan speed adjustment like the fanmate speed controllers that come with some Zalman coolers.

[Oliver]

Im suprised you can hear it @ that speed???

I really dont know what all the fuss is about with VRM's, PWM's, etc...

I aint got 1 problem with mine, just got it on water for gpu and ram sinks and fan under card to circulate, thats it! I know my clock aint massive but its fairly decent :)

Run it straight out of a fan controller on the Mobo with fan mate or a fan controller on the face of your case;)

[tkpenalty]

Im suprised you can hear it @ that speed???

I really dont know what all the fuss is about with VRM's, PWM's, etc...

I aint got 1 problem with mine, just got it on water for gpu and ram sinks and fan under card to circulate, thats it! I know my clock aint massive but its fairly decent :)

I cant hear it, its just that I want it to be at 100%, it would run way cooler at those temps. And no, I don't want to do a ghetto mod.

[binormalkilla]

I just got my second HIS X1950 Pro and it's the revision 2 model. It supports overdrive, and I haven't been able to OC it yet. I'll be able to run Crossfire mode as soon as my 37" Westinghouse 1080P LCD HDTV arrives tomorrow:cool:
anyone have this model? My first one overclocks fine, but this one goes black as soon as you run the artifact scanner with any higher clocks than the default 635/742.
It has the faster 1.2ns memory also, so it should overclock more on the memory......
http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.php?id=295&view=yes

[Alcpone]

I just got my second HIS X1950 Pro and it's the revision 2 model. It supports overdrive, and I haven't been able to OC it yet. I'll be able to run Crossfire mode as soon as my 37" Westinghouse 1080P LCD HDTV arrives tomorrow:cool:
anyone have this model? My first one overclocks fine, but this one goes black as soon as you run the artifact scanner with any higher clocks than the default 635/742.
It has the faster 1.2ns memory also, so it should overclock more on the memory......
http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.php?id=295&view=yes

Nice monitor bud :toast:

X-fire is a whole new place to me though :o

[tkpenalty]

Dont overclock, its not necessary when you have something like crossfire activated. Atm, no games need that much performance anyway.

[erocker]

I just got my second HIS X1950 Pro and it's the revision 2 model. It supports overdrive, and I haven't been able to OC it yet. I'll be able to run Crossfire mode as soon as my 37" Westinghouse 1080P LCD HDTV arrives tomorrow:cool:
anyone have this model? My first one overclocks fine, but this one goes black as soon as you run the artifact scanner with any higher clocks than the default 635/742.
It has the faster 1.2ns memory also, so it should overclock more on the memory......
http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.