Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

[DOM]

Welllllllllll.............I'm getting fed up with this card.Sapphire x1950xt 256

In standard form Ati tool running i'm running default 621/900 no problems with working temps of 64/49~48/44 (with fan running at 41% regulated to keep 50° and running a Zalmann v900CU led (blue by the way)

If I lower my core speed down to 450 say I an ramp up mem to 1008 max best at 999 for benches i runs and temps max out at 91°......but if I save it and want to load it again from a default speed well freeze tear artifact are here and I have to reboot (cold) after having waited for 20mins or so to get the pci-e back to x16 x16 (known asus p5b dlx bug) (not x1 x16 if hot reboot):banghead: :banghead:

If I lower core Vs and Mem Vs thing are a bit better but still get the same reload pb.........:shadedshu

It seems i can only mildly overclock to say 648/909 or 621/980.......giving OK'ish benches on 3dmark06 of ~6718


SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what do you think???? any help.....other than trashing the card and going to 8800gtx:D :D :D

Thanx
Oliver

With the MOBO I save a profile in the bois for the settings on everything and I never have had the problem with the PCI-E at x1 by the way there's two you can save diffrent settings;) I have 3.2GHz and 3.6GHz settings

And with the card, are you saving the volts settings when making the profiles ?

[tkpenalty]

w00t 1001 and one posts :D.

Um Oliver... rather than overclock, get a second X1950XT, RMA the VF900CU you have at the moment as i believe its faulty... It would keep it at 60~70*C not 91*C

[Oliver]

Um your VF900CU is more than likely faulty. Also it dies purely on the fact that it overheated, why do you need to overclock anyway? Don't waste your money on an 8800GTX... its not needed. I pretty much think no games atm need that much beef anyway.

EDIT: Um try turning the fan up to 100%, it works wonders, just realise that you cant control the fan through ATITool. You need to fix the connector to 12v or set fanmate to max, since you are using a VF900CU. You will get worse temperatures with the 8800 just to warn you...

right and wrong........TK I'll remind you that i modded the Zalman connector and soldered the wires strait to the board for control off the fan........so I'll get it up to 100% through the tool and start from there, even though the atitool is set "try to keep temps at 50°" so the fan WILL ramp up and hit 100% anyways, or so says the tool!!!


http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/ATI3.JPG

OC for the fun and the I like to push limits and see what the stuff has in its guts;)

[Oliver]

With the MOBO I save a profile in the bois for the settings on everything and I never have had the problem with the PCI-E at x1 by the way there's two you can save diffrent settings;) I have 3.2GHz and 3.6GHz settings

And with the card, are you saving the volts settings when making the profiles ?

Yes 3.44 & 3.7 and yes again volts saved............however oc's are experimental and i don't save i note down its quicker

[Oliver]

w00t 1001 and one posts :D.

Um Oliver... rather than overclock, get a second X1950XT, RMA the VF900CU you have at the moment as i believe its faulty... It would keep it at 60~70*C not 91*C

No Rma in view with the mod........but won't die for 35€ I'll get another or resolder the original connector and run it 12v

[tkpenalty]

No Rma in view with the mod........but won't die for 35€ I'll get another or resolder the original connector and run it 12v

Run it at the original 12v.. it will do you much better. The Zalman doesnt even have PWM so that explains a lot, its probably running at 5v...

[Oliver]

Run it at the original 12v.. it will do you much better. The Zalman doesnt even have PWM so that explains a lot, its probably running at 5v...

Done......back up at 12v on one of the Be quiet's 12v fan rails.........i'll test the OC ing later got a few of my customers IT requests;) to fulfill first

Olivier

[Oliver]

That x1950xt is one hot potato!!!!!!

temp v control: 102°
Gpu temp cool......70°
tempchip: 90°

all this while letting artifact scan runnin'.................next step serious oc ing...........looks like the 12v rail for Zalmann cf900v blue led is the solution after all; so much for the fancy mod I had made.:cool:

[DOM]

That x1950xt is one hot potato!!!!!!

temp v control: 102°
Gpu temp cool......70°
tempchip: 90°

all this while letting artifact scan runnin'.................next step serious oc ing...........looks like the 12v rail for Zalmann cf900v blue led is the solution after all; so much for the fancy mod I had made.:cool:

that thing getts HOT :eek: my VC only gone up to say in the 50's, card 50's and low 60's

cuz what kind of temps are you getting in the room its in

[Oliver]

that thing getts HOT :eek: my VC only gone up to say in the 50's, card 50's and low 60's

cuz what kind of temps are you getting in the room its in

Warm april:) worlds getting warmer.........might plug the whole earth on WC:D :D

Room temp is cooler now 'bout 23° C but I had been reading the artifact scan with a 641.25/927 setup and that really heats it up I guess especially if you let run a bit, like a burn in process:rockout:

[mullered07]

ok decided to show my face up in here have been installing my acceleroX2 today and so far im quite impressed with the temps although i might have to take it off later and reseat as im not to sure wether the memory thermal pads are all making contact (there not that sticky thats the only downside to the accelero) as i had some lovely (sarccasm :shadedshu ) couloured lines in ccc.exe when using over drive on the mem. i might try giving 3dmark a go with an oc and see how it goes first as it might just be ccc ati drivers arent playing for me at all?

anyway im rambling heres a pic or 2 of my acceleroX2 and x1950pro ;)

[DOM]

Warm april:) worlds getting warmer.........might plug the whole earth on WC:D :D:roll: isnt it already on water

Room temp is cooler now 'bout 23° C but I had been reading the artifact scan with a 641.25/927 setup and that really heats it up I guess especially if you let run a bit, like a burn in process:rockout:

well mine's like 20-25° C and when folding at 675/972 on stock volts :D it get in the low 60's, but my speed on the mem when I 1st got it wouldnt go passed 945 untill later I guess it needs to broken in :confused:

But I thought that the stock cooler it better then the vf900cu but it louder, cuz have you used it before putting on the vf900cu ?

But you seen my cooler right ? HIS IceQ3 Turbo, im gald I didnt go with the vf900cu

[tkpenalty]

ok decided to show my face up in here have been installing my acceleroX2 today and so far im quite impressed with the temps although i might have to take it off later and reseat as im not to sure wether the memory thermal pads are all making contact (there not that sticky thats the only downside to the accelero) as i had some lovely (sarccasm :shadedshu ) couloured lines in ccc.exe when using over drive on the mem. i might try giving 3dmark a go with an oc and see how it goes first as it might just be ccc ati drivers arent playing for me at all?

anyway im rambling heres a pic or 2 of my acceleroX2 and x1950pro ;)

They were never supposed to be sticky, tighten it a tiny bit more. Only thing is, did you remove the seal off the memory stickers? :laugh:

Apart from that, i was joking but it wouldnt really matter because GDDR3 chips don't run hot at all. Its more of driver issues, CCC's overdrive is really dodgy so dont worry.

:roll: isnt it already on water



well mine's like 20-25° C and when folding at 675/972 on stock volts :D it get in the low 60's, but my speed on the mem when I 1st got it wouldnt go passed 945 untill later I guess it needs to broken in :confused:

But I thought that the stock cooler it better then the vf900cu but it louder, cuz have you used it before putting on the vf900cu ?

But you seen my cooler right ? HIS IceQ3 Turbo, im gald I didnt go with the vf900cu

I think I know what you mean, thermal load. Nothing to do with the speed in which it removes heat... while the VF900CU is fast at moving heat... it has bottlenecks; the fact that the base itself isnt connected to the copper fins. The AcceleroX2 does a bit better keeping it in the high 50~60s, i think its to do with how much material is used to dissipate heat is one of the factors.

[mullered07]

They were never supposed to be sticky, tighten it a tiny bit more. Only thing is, did you remove the seal off the memory stickers? :laugh:

Apart from that, i was joking but it wouldnt really matter because GDDR3 chips don't run hot at all. Its more of driver issues, CCC's overdrive is really dodgy so dont worry.

tk dont make me slap you lol of course i removed the seal :p just card is acting quite weird after the accelerox2 even tho temps are like 38c idle and 54c max load.

anyway am i in the club ? :D

[Garb3]

just a quick question i just bought an msi x1950 pro and was wondering what temps u lot are gettin cause mine idle's at 36 and under load its at about 49 are these temp around about normal i know most of u have different coolers like the accelero 2 and zalmans but i would still like to know what yer all gettin

[mullered07]

just a quick question i just bought an msi x1950 pro and was wondering what temps u lot are gettin cause mine idle's at 36 and under load its at about 49 are these temp around about normal i know most of u have different coolers like the accelero 2 and zalmans but i would still like to know what yer all gettin

them temps are sweet, what cooler does it have ? thats cooler than my accelero :banghead:

[anticlutch]

40C idle and 59C load with a stock ASUS x1950pro cooler :D

I couldn't stand how hot my 8800 was running so I stuck my x1950pro back in until I can get my hands on a R600 card :P

[Garb3]

its just a stock cooler that i got with it the load temp was when i was playin oblivion if it makes any differance the cooler that i got is the one in this pic:
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4B8B&CategorySelectedId=11137&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11137

hope that help you see what cooler i got i was thinking about gettin and accelero2 or zalman thats why i asked about the temps

[demonbrawn]

I have an HIS with IceQ3 on it. My room temp is about 74 degrees F. and my card runs 33 degrees C. idle and 47 under load while playing F.E.A.R. I wonder what it would be if I lapped the GPU and cooler and put some AS5 on it.

[Garb3]

that seems like a good idea cause i bought some new thermal paste what i bought the card but just cant be bothered taking the card out and doin it knowing that the temps really arent that bad does anyone know where i can buy the thermalright HR-03 that ships to england cause i would be really interested in gettin one

[clockwiseCANUCk]

Have a sapphire x1950xt ( will take some picture soon) and was wondering what fan control settings people are using in ati tool. Cause right now i'm just using "Try to keep GPU temperature at: 70C" which at the moment has my idle temp at 51C and 50% fan speed.
The stock dynamic setup was pretty funky:
above 0C 27% fan speed
above 70C 32% fan speed
above 80C 36% fan speed
above 88C 50% fan speed
above 91C 55% fan speed
above 94C 59% fan speed
above 97C 68% fan speed
above 100C 100% fan speed

Is ATItraytools still causing crashes with the x1950 or is it save to use?And is the fan suppose to speed up when you close ati tool?

[Garb3]

i used atitool to put my fan at 100% all the time cause i play oblivion alot and thoght it would be taxing on my card.
i've only ever had one crash so far bwith ati tool and that was only when i open my tv application

[anticlutch]

Mine is:
above 0C 11%
above 20C 20%
above 42C 20%
above 45C 30%
above 48C 50%
above 53C 78%
above 59C 100%

Keeps me at the aforementioned 40C idle and 59C load :D

[Batou1986]

ah yes once again it is time for some more XT-X porn told you the better pic's where coming

http://img.techpowerup.org/070418/DSC02749 (1152 x 864).jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/070418/DSC02750 (1152 x 864).jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/070418/DSC02751 (1728 x 1296).jpg

notice my my VRM's Are on the back, weird

last pic shows all the extra shit added to the board to run the tec cooler 2x normal ati 3pin fan headers, power connection for the TEC (Big 2 pin) and connector (small 2 pin) some sensor on the tec for the MACS chip

[Oliver]

Here's mine (men have always liked to compare:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: )


http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/ATI1.JPG

http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/ATI2.JPG

very different x1950xt sapphire

[tkpenalty]

ah yes once again it is time for some more XT-X porn told you the better pic's where coming
<Images cropped>
notice my my VRM's Are on the back, weird

last pic shows all the extra shit added to the board to run the tec cooler 2x normal ati 3pin fan headers, power connection for the TEC (Big 2 pin) and connector (small 2 pin) some sensor on the tec for the MACS chip

They aren't VRMs they are MOFSETs, GECUBE went for power coils and capacitors... it overall makes the card have to be much longer. VRM chips (power filters), do the role that Capacitors and Mofsets do.

them temps are sweet, what cooler does it have ? thats cooler than my accelero :banghead:

Nah... dodgy temperature monitors are one of the causes.

Oliver, your GPU btw, It runs much hotter than Batou's X1950XT, his ones a X1950XT-X :p

[Oliver]

Oliver, your GPU btw, It runs much hotter than Batou's X1950XT, his ones a X1950XT-X :p

It got MUCH better now that i'm running back on a 12v rail and repasted the Gpu and thingies under the red rail:o ........40-44 unloaded high 70's or more when pushing it hard.

However the oc's are nor very good yet highest so far 661/954 with difficulties (ANY SUGGESTIONS OUT THERE:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ), I've switched back to warcat 7.3 because they are better than ATI original to my taste (plus i like custom; same for my boards, truck, mtnbikes etc..;) ;) .)

[DOM]

Wut are your vots at, are you using ATITool 0.26 ? How long have you had it ?

[Oliver]

Wut are your vots at, are you using ATITool 0.26 ? How long have you had it ?

warcat 7.3, Ati Tool 0.26, VGPU=1.400v;MVDDC=2.086v;MVDDQ=2.086v; VDDCI=1.486v

You have it all..............it tears up bout 661/954.......but not enough to lose it and reboot the card.

[DOM]

Well those are not the stock 3D volts I get on ATITool heres mine in the pic just the VDDCI is the same :confused:

How long have you had it ? cuz mine at first the mem didnt OC that much at stock volts, but now after 3mounths I get 972 on the mem at stock

[tkpenalty]

What do you guys reckon is the best driver for the X1950PRO? Frick after testing the whole night the 7.1 Drivers are taboo... they seriously cause so many problems when im trying to game.

[anticlutch]

Warcats 7.1 seem to give me the best performance on XP Pro SP2 with no problems for me...

[Kursah]

So far 7.4's seem to be best performing for me. All my 3dmark scores increased by a few points of any other drivers I've tried.

[demonbrawn]

For some reason, I couldn't even get past post in normal mode without the 7.3 drivers when I first got my X1950pro.

[tkpenalty]

Warcats 7.1 seem to give me the best performance on XP Pro SP2 with no problems for me...

Try running HL2:EP1...

[anticlutch]

I did and nothing was wrong... what happens when you try to play it?

[tkpenalty]

Um... whole game screws up... everything is stuffed.

[Batou1986]

drivers made specifically for the 1950 pro series http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=23582
hope that helps

[Oliver]

Well those are not the stock 3D volts I get on ATITool heres mine in the pic just the VDDCI is the same :confused:

How long have you had it ? cuz mine at first the mem didnt OC that much at stock volts, but now after 3mounths I get 972 on the mem at stock

With what core do you get 927........can't seem to go over 940..........mem at 621 core

[tkpenalty]

drivers made specifically for the 1950 pro series http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=23582
hope that helps

Sorry to say but these are the normal catalyst drivers....

[erocker]

I was just wondering... After "the launch" as I am dubbing ATi's HD 2xxx xxx release, how many of you are getting one as fast as they can? I'm waiting till around December for my AMD Quad / HD2???XT? setup. I really want to wait for that 65nm gpu. Screw fusion when you have gpu/ppu/sound all on one card. They might as well start putting everything into the mobo without the PCI's, PCI express and what-not. A socket for everything like current cpu's. OK stupid rant. I can't wait for the end of the year!:D

[DOM]

With what core do you get 927........can't seem to go over 940..........mem at 621 core

im not try to be rude but didnt you under stand wut I said ? the volts in that pic is wut I get for stock 3D volts and I get 675core/972mem but that was after 3 mouths before that it was 945mem but now its 972mem on stock 3D volts

[tkpenalty]

I was just wondering... After "the launch" as I am dubbing ATi's HD 2xxx xxx release, how many of you are getting one as fast as they can? I'm waiting till around December for my AMD Quad / HD2???XT? setup. I really want to wait for that 65nm gpu. Screw fusion when you have gpu/ppu/sound all on one card. They might as well start putting everything into the mobo without the PCI's, PCI express and what-not. A socket for everything like current cpu's. OK stupid rant. I can't wait for the end of the year!:D

Ur still in the clubhouse if u get one, this is a HD clubhouse as well :D

[Lt_JWS]

Just got an ATI X1950Pro 256mb :D woot

[Oliver]

im not try to be rude but didnt you under stand wut I said ? the volts in that pic is wut I get for stock 3D volts and I get 675core/972mem but that was after 3 mouths before that it was 945mem but now its 972mem on stock 3D volts

Ok got that......guess the stock volts from HIS are higher than Sapphires??? I'll wait for things to settle a bit more and if nothing gets better the VF is going out and the stock cooler back in, its nicely bundled in drawer for now.

Anyways most games I play are fine as is, mainly combat flight sims & HMM and starting out EVE.

Take care

[erocker]

So... after lapping my heatsink (twice):shadedshu this is what I get: The card idles at 34c and never goes above 51c with ATi tool. During games like BF2142 and Vanguard it never gets above 41c!

GPU: 634.5

Mem 774.5
AtiTool .27b:D

[Oliver]

Ok i've got it .............. oc to all your speeds no problemo.......

It was sitting right in my face: run Sapphire drivers!!!!

Those *!?*!!*$$!!holes must have a specific driver written out for their layout but it works catalyst 6.10 drivers 6.14 sapphire specific it seems:confused:

Finally that card is giving what its worth!!!

Sheeeeez

Oliver (looks like we're getting a new president soon;) )

[tkpenalty]

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[anticlutch]

Bah. I wish I could vote again but it won't let me :(

[dashsmashed]

Ok i've got it .............. oc to all your speeds no problemo.......

It was sitting right in my face: run Sapphire drivers!!!!

Those *!?*!!*$$!!holes must have a specific driver written out for their layout but it works catalyst 6.10 drivers 6.14 sapphire specific it seems:confused:

Finally that card is giving what its worth!!!

Sheeeeez

Oliver (looks like we're getting a new president soon;) )

any chance of a link to the sapphire drivers?
:toast:

[tkpenalty]

Sapphire drivers are identical. Oliver, use the 6.12 drivers (I assume you are atm) they are the most stable for the X1950PRO atm and everything works on the 6.12 drivers.

[Kursah]

Well I'm gonna test this out for Powercolor then...Seems they have a recently released version for 7.2 cats for XP, but I just reconverted to Vista to try and fight the bugs I went back to XP for (set it up on a seperate HD so I can hook it up and go if I want...old IDE though..I currently use SATAII ACHI). But this is the best way for me to get 6.12's for Vista! So maybe I'll be more fortunate with my OC's in Vista. I'll post back later...

[Lopey]

G'Day All

I'm in hell...here goes,
Have 2 HISX1950Pro 256M cards - 1 has copper heatsink at rear over VRM's? while the other has main heatsink covering all the back.
Crossfire works great up to 1280*1024, anything over & I get double pictures with horizontal strips of distorted images going up and down screen.Hitting C+Alt+Del shows a perfect still picture for a second then exits program. 3DMarks is the same BUT still gives me scores.
Have re-installed Windows / Drivers etc etc.
Have used Atiflash 3.3 to get info on both cards:

Adaptor No: 0 1
Product Name: 113-00SE1H05-00R-HT X1950 256M/256B DLDVI-I/VIVO/DLDVI-I
690M / 575E
Bios Config File: SE1H05.00R
Bios Part No: 123-00SE1H05-00R
Bios Version: 009.013.001.012.022039
Bios Date: 11/2/06

Adaptor No: 1
Product Name: 113-00SE1H11-10R-HT X1950PRO 256M/256B DLDVI-I/TV/DLDVI-I
690M / 575E
Bios Config File: SE1H11.10R
Bios Part No: not available
Bios Version: 009.013.001.022.023607
Bios Date: 2/5/07

Have read all pages of this thread & ended up with 6 BIOs's and a mild head-ache.
Was ready to flash latest Bios to 1st Card but I don't like the look of Part # being un-available.I can force while by-passing P/N check, but is that a good idea ?
System Specs: X2 4200+ / Asus M2R32-MVP M/B / 2G Geil DDR667 / Sony 21" Trinitron Monitor - 7.4 drivers.
I have DOS floppy with atiflash and copies of my existing bios's - now what ???
Really appreciate any help (after 10days of this I am going crazy)
Cheers

[bundlebr]

G'Day All

I'm in hell...here goes,
Have 2 HISX1950Pro 256M cards - 1 has copper heatsink at rear over VRM's? while the other has main heatsink covering all the back.
Crossfire works great up to 1280*1024, anything over & I get double pictures with horizontal strips of distorted images going up and down screen.Hitting C+Alt+Del shows a perfect still picture for a second then exits program. 3DMarks is the same BUT still gives me scores.
Have re-installed Windows / Drivers etc etc.
Have used Atiflash 3.3 to get info on both cards:

Adaptor No: 0 1
Product Name: 113-00SE1H05-00R-HT X1950 256M/256B DLDVI-I/VIVO/DLDVI-I
690M / 575E
Bios Config File: SE1H05.00R
Bios Part No: 123-00SE1H05-00R
Bios Version: 009.013.001.012.022039
Bios Date: 11/2/06

Adaptor No: 1
Product Name: 113-00SE1H11-10R-HT X1950PRO 256M/256B DLDVI-I/TV/DLDVI-I
690M / 575E
Bios Config File: SE1H11.10R
Bios Part No: not available
Bios Version: 009.013.001.022.023607
Bios Date: 2/5/07

Have read all pages of this thread & ended up with 6 BIOs's and a mild head-ache.
Was ready to flash latest Bios to 1st Card but I don't like the look of Part # being un-available.I can force while by-passing P/N check, but is that a good idea ?
System Specs: X2 4200+ / Asus M2R32-MVP M/B / 2G Geil DDR667 / Sony 21" Trinitron Monitor - 7.4 drivers.
I have DOS floppy with atiflash and copies of my existing bios's - now what ???
Really appreciate any help (after 10days of this I am going crazy)
Cheers

Yeah, you can try flashing same bios to both cards (preferably the newest one). That's what I've done here: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=27579

But, your problem might be that the first card is VIVO, while the second is not...

[Lopey]

Yeah, you can try flashing same bios to both cards (preferably the newest one). That's what I've done here: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=27579

But, your problem might be that the first card is VIVO, while the second is not...
____________________________

Thanks for reply, I was hoping that the VIVO / TV thingy would not be prob.
Will have a go & see what happens.
Cheers

[Lopey]

Me Again,

Just a thought with the VIVO/TV..what if I disabled both TV & VIVO in BIOS & then flash both cards ?
Or is that a dumb idea?

Cheers

[bundlebr]

I think that you can just flash the bios from non-VIVO card to the VIVO card...

[Lopey]

It works! HOLY FLIPPIN DUCK POO BATMAN - thanks for help - now back to the zone for me.

[tkpenalty]

It works! HOLY FLIPPIN DUCK POO BATMAN - thanks for help - now back to the zone for me.

Congrats :toast:

[bundlebr]

It works! HOLY FLIPPIN DUCK POO BATMAN - thanks for help - now back to the zone for me.

NM, have fun!;)

[Batou1986]

Well heres how that Gecube/MACS tec cooler is made its a tec device sandwiched between 2 heat pipe coolers
http://img.techpowerup.org/070425/DSC00056.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/070425/DSC00055.jpg

there was thermal paste on either side of it (Barely) and it also has a some kind of temperature monitoring diode inside a cut out on the bottom of the heatsink

all that crap connects to what is basically this:
http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Titan_Amanda/Images/17.JPG

which comes with the Titan Amanda cpu cooler only it has been built in to my 1950xt

with that in mind what kinda voltages and stuff do i need to feed a tec of this size to make it work well i might try putting it between my core and vf-900

[Oliver]

any chance of a link to the sapphire drivers?
:toast:

Nope............and the system is experiencing a major crash anyways.....looks like a format:banghead:

[Batou1986]

all X19xx owners avoid the 7.4's as they are causing numerous problems from low fps crashing stuttering hdr+aa problems ect:mad:

[tkpenalty]

... yeah... nfsc barely ran without lag.

[SpookyWillow]

im using the 7.4's too and i noticed a huge fps slowdown on cs source too, especially when i get flashed.

[Batou1986]

whats the first driver version to add support for the 1950 series

[DOM]

whats the first driver version to add support for the 1950 series

Catalyst 6.4 for Windows XP and Vista 32bit was Catalyst 7.1

why ?

[tkpenalty]

The 6.xx drivers blow the 7.xx drivers to hell.

http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=12&XLID=0&UID=9032341

LOL I BEAT A E6700 rig

http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=12&XLID=0&UID=9032341

[tkpenalty]

there was thermal paste on either side of it (Barely) and it also has a some kind of temperature monitoring diode inside a cut out on the bottom of the heatsink

all that crap connects to what is basically this:
http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Titan_Amanda/Images/17.JPG

which comes with the Titan Amanda cpu cooler only it has been built in to my 1950xt

with that in mind what kinda voltages and stuff do i need to feed a tec of this size to make it work well i might try putting it between my core and vf-900

Really odd, the TEC cooler should kick the VF900CU's ass... thermalpaste or bad mounting may be the culpruit. That TEC plate would be useful for cooling a HDD or something.

[DOM]

The 6.xx drivers blow the 7.xx drivers to hell.

http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=12&XLID=0&UID=9032341

LOL I BEAT A E6700 rig

http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=12&XLID=0&UID=9032341

are they supose to be the same site ?

lol you beat it cuz your cpu was oced and it was stock, why dont you oc your card ?

[tkpenalty]

Cause my card kicks and whines when i overclock. I cant explain it... my RAM doesnt like DDR400 speeds nor does my CPU like getting Overclocked past 2.8Ghz... its probably the RAM's fault anyway.

Nevertheless i dont like the idea of flashing...

Honestly every time I ask "What is the best driver for the X1950PRO" I always find the thread goes off topic... Right now I am using Omega 7.3 Drivers... I find it weird that the performance has decreased, the stock CD Drivers seem to be the drivers I have had least problems with, I might as well give it a go.

Apart from that, I find it really irritating that around three gross of imformation on Ketxxx's bios thread is not organized, it is agony going through all the information, just searching for it makes me do a backflip, that is why i dont overclock. X1950PRO's overclock is heavily hampered by the fact that you can't change the voltages without the need of flashing... apparently, the GPU artifacts are caused by voltages and not heat.

In my opinion, Ketxxx should compile all his bioses into the front page neatly... or I might as well do it myself, putting bioses on the front page that i dont even know if they work or not, but I have exams soon and my godly 8.88 ppd will falter.

I did do an experiment today, removed the front panel and finally felt air entering from the front intake, I might mod the case so it looks like a lian li ripoff...now back to the story, at medium fanspeeds, with the undisturbed intake (no HDDs "down there"), i felt the acceleleroX2's exaust being pushed out. The whole case cooled down even more :D, the GPU dropped to 35*C (take that IceQ'ers and the load temp was a cool 49*C after half an hour of furry cube paradise.

then my friend talked to me.his Sapphire; VRM Model type was in a "Normal" situation (um paranormal to average joes LOL), 120mm outtake, plate covers still on, ur average 80mm intake on the Centurion 5, reached 76*C with the normal fan control :eek:... this was after five minutes... god knows how hot it would have run... the idle was pretty awful as well, being at 62*C. Well i told him to run it on dustbuster... temps dropped to 69*C :rolleyes: , still pretty bad, 76*C is just asking to be fucked (no not like that :laugh: ). Man figures i dont know how bad stock cooling is...

[Oliver]

Up and running again.......(inherited a WD 75Go Raptor for the boot disk see the mods herehttp://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/711)

Kicked out Ati tool and all means of OC of the gpu other than ccc overdrive; running 7.3 cats stock at 655core 927 mem application run settings for AA AF and thats all and result are pretty decent.

22824 in 3DMark 03
13219 in 3DMark 05
6829 in 3DMark 06

I might even take of the Zalmann and remount the standard cooler for a checkrun:D

right now playing around with ahci/ncq settings...........even wrote a small tuto here

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30865

[DOM]

Up and running again.......(inherited a WD 75Go Raptor for the boot disk see the mods herehttp://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/711)

Kicked out Ati tool and all means of OC of the gpu other than ccc overdrive; running 7.3 cats stock at 655core 927 mem application run settings for AA AF and thats all and result are pretty decent.

22824 in 3DMark 03
13219 in 3DMark 05
6829 in 3DMark 06

I might even take of the Zalmann and remount the standard cooler for a checkrun:D

right now playing around with ahci/ncq settings...........even wrote a small tuto here

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30865

So was it ATITool crashing your system ? Or your card didnt like ATItool ?

Are you always runing you CPU @ 3.7GHz ? What kind of temps do you get and how much volts are you puting to it ?

[Oliver]

So was it ATITool crashing your system ? Or your card didnt like ATItool ?

Are you always runing you CPU @ 3.7GHz ? What kind of temps do you get and how much volts are you puting to it ?

No my standard setting is 3447.78 thats 383.1 x 9 which gives a rated fsb of 1532.3 (quad pumped)

mem volts: 2.15; vcore 1.45; fsb term 1.30; nbvcore 1.45; sbvcore 1.60........

temps: idle or low usage: CPU 41°; Mobo 38° (edit: make that 40/36........theres a storm outside and the windows open haha!!)

The 3.7 is for fun........same volts same temps but unstable nevertheless and not much faster

I don't exactly know what crashed the system but i suspect it originated in ATI / ATITOOL conflict when uninstalling Cat 7.4 to move back to Warcats 7.3........and i used a friggin' cleanin tool (either drivercleaner or cc cleaner used both)which i NEVER use preferably cleaning out manually........:shadedshu

all i do know is that the registry was really corrupted and instead of rebuilding and having a system running slow i chose to format, add an extra disk (wd 75Go Raptor:) :) :) :) )for the system/boot and use the 400Go seagate as storage/backup:rockout: :rockout: :rockout:

Now all is nice, smooth, fast............yeah

[anticlutch]

@ tkpenalty: I think the driver that gave the best performance was the 7.1 Warcat driver. I would consistantly get over 200fps+ in the CS:S stress test with all the settings that had the * on it, while stock ATI drivers would only let me get around 180-190fps.

[Oliver]

@ tkpenalty: I think the driver that gave the best performance was the 7.1 Warcat driver. I would consistantly get over 200fps+ in the CS:S stress test with all the settings that had the * on it, while stock ATI drivers would only let me get around 180-190fps.

True, but the warcats are not as nice eyecandywise..............but thats irrelevant 'cause eye candy obviously comes from Gpu+screen+ambient light+ user's personal tastes

thats why, as far as I'm concerned, the best to this date are (for the sapphire x1950xt card) sapphires 6.12, and ati's 7.3.............:cool:

[DOM]

Well the ? is in the PIC ;) so would some Ramsinks work or are they okay with out anything ? Or is there something that would work better then these http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3811

[TonyStark]

Hey guys.

Does anyone have any tips on overclocking the memory on a x1950PRO? I can get the core up to 661MHz no problem -- but the max stable memory clock is 722MHz.

[Kursah]

What kind of x1950 do you have? brand? cooler? drivers? OS? PSU? You should update and use your system specs. Are you using ATI Tool? Overdrive? Need more info on how you're OC-ing and what you have in order to help you get a better OC. I wish my x1950pro would get to 661 GPU stable...still a damn good card even at stock though.

[TonyStark]

Hey Kursah

I have the Powercolor extreme 256MB with the AC x2 cooler. I've used ATI Tool, ATI Tray Tools and WinClk -- all with the same results. Overdrive takes me to about 621/749 but it is unstable in games like Oblivion.

-PSU has 36Amps on the 12v rail. Or 2-20Amp rails.
-Windows XP
-Core 2 Duo E4300 @ 2.99 GHz
-2 GB Samsung RAM @ 667MHz, 4-4-4-12

[Oliver]

So was it ATITool crashing your system ? Or your card didnt like ATItool ?

Are you always runing you CPU @ 3.7GHz ? What kind of temps do you get and how much volts are you puting to it ?

@DOM_ATI_X800XL_PCI-E: I knew I had posted my specs somewhere

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=29658

[tkpenalty]

Well the ? is in the PIC ;) so would some Ramsinks work or are they okay with out anything ? Or is there something that would work better then these http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3811


No, the heatsink next to those chips are the chips that need heatsinking. You can if you want, it won't really improve stability. What I recommend is to change the heatsink used on the VRMS (next to the pulse chip, under heatsink), to some swiftec, stick them on with EPOXY or thin thermal tape.

Oliver, downclock it...

[Oliver]

No, the heatsink next to those chips are the chips that need heatsinking. You can if you want, it won't really improve stability. What I recommend is to change the heatsink used on the VRMS (next to the pulse chip, under heatsink), to some swiftec, stick them on with EPOXY or thin thermal tape.

Oliver, downclock it...

Noooo Waaay Joseeeee.......

In fact eveything seems to run stable now, obviously the milder settings are better 'cause my 3.7 settings are quite aggressive..........but i'll work around using this:

http://supermattt.free.fr/OC/OC_C2D_P965.xls

better know your FSB, CPU and Mem limits before buts its really handy: only change the right hand side values and let the spreadsheet do the calculations

After that you can play with ATI............;)

[vkbms]

Hi,

I own a Sapphire 1950pro 256 stock....

I'm using Ati Tool 0.27beta and Catalyst 7.1 (i0ve tried also 7.4) ....

When i try to increase frequency they go up with 6,5mhz step for core and 4,5mhz step for memory....

There's a way to increase frequency by smaller steps?

I hope you understand.-...sorry for my english....

[Oliver]

Hi,

I own a Sapphire 1950pro 256 stock....

I'm using Ati Tool 0.27beta and Catalyst 7.1 (i0ve tried also 7.4) ....

When i try to increase frequency they go up with 6,5mhz step for core and 4,5mhz step for memory....

There's a way to increase frequency by smaller steps?

I hope you understand.-...sorry for my english....

yeah in the settings x1000 overclock you can switch to finer settings........;)

[vkbms]

yeah in the settings x1000 overclock you can switch to finer settings........;)



Ops....i'll see it only now.... :D

But switching finer settings i can't increase memory frequency.... onle one mhz up and system crash :banghead:

[Oliver]

Ops....i'll see it only now.... :D

But switching finer settings i can't increase memory frequency.... onle one mhz up and system crash :banghead:

Been there done that..............best way is to lower your core a bit and work, your mem from there. Remember you are generating Heat and will hit a limit:banghead: then you can lower your volts a bit............

I'd do it the standard way:

Find max core,
Find max mem,

Settle for a bit less: those are your benchmark settings

Find nice easy, but fast settings: those are your 24/7 settings

Have fun

[erocker]

Your Sapphire card's cooler is too crappy to bother overclocking.

[Oliver]

Hey VKBMS tell us: is it a Pro or Pro ultimate with the VF900 Zalmann...........erocker has a point there......

[vkbms]

Your Sapphire card's cooler is too crappy to bother overclocking.


I know.... i've a Dtek Mp01 and Dtek Fuzion Gtx waiting.... :D

But i've to do a comparison between two waterblocks and stock cooler.... ;)

@Oliver:

I'm trying....but find max core/mem seems not work fine.... :banghead:

It's a pro... no vf900.... :)

[Oliver]

Ha!

I just unstuck the Sapphire sticker of the cooler module taken off my x1950xt: surprise its a stock ATI card......I wonder if those people just stick stickers and resell or if they write anything????

I mean: the cd has a bunch of software strait from ATI (not even up to date) The card/cooler/heatsink(s) combo is basic ATI (no fancy cooler as with HIS or Powercooler not that they are much better but they innovate)

I doesn't even seem the Bios was modified or anything fancy?????

Ok the card is good but why not try to make it better and add some value to compensate for the marked up price compared to stock ATI.......

after all if you buy a Mercedes 500 sl its a great car..........get an AMG modified and its a rocket:D :D :D :D

[Oliver]

Ok guys after ranting about the sapphire tricks here's something more constructive:

Y'all know I replaced my oem cooler by a Zalman vf900 cu led...........satisfying but not A OK so I decided to look into that oem thing and see if it could be made better:

First of all it took off the sapphire sticker and regained the assassin....she was in disguise i guess:rolleyes: ....cool

Next i took it all apart and discovered a great copper cooler held down with spring loaded screws and HEATPIPES yessss...thanks ATI......

I cleaned it all out with industrial degreaser and isoprop alcohol

Then I peeled off the transparent plastic sticker on the other side (aluminum) and worked the sticky gook off (with sticker remover) after having removed and saved the thermal pads with a sharp knife. same cleaning method

next i'll lap the copper cooler and remount the thing (gotta go to the hardware store to get some 300 600 and 900 grit;) )

I'll give you test results as soon as I have them:o

I wouldn't be surprised getting very close to the zalmann even better!!!!

pictures:
http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/ATI5.JPG

http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/ATI6.JPG

http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/ATI7.JPG

http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/ATI8.JPG

[Ketxxx]

Hmm.... I wouldnt be so confident that cooler will do a better job than the Zalman, largely because of the crappy thermal pads. Oh and FYI, I can join the clubhouse proper now I think :D after months of tweakin I finally made the Xpertvision BIOS good on my card, runs significantly tighter timings to stock now, hence better performance with that alone, not to mention I lifted a good chunk of the "thou shalt not OC this card" veil, and most importantly its stable now :D

[DaMulta]

Well the ? is in the PIC ;) so would some Ramsinks work or are they okay with out anything ? Or is there something that would work better then these http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3811
A friend of mine left those heatsinks off(x1950XTX) and it spit out a 1 in flame and welded the card. So I would say yes.

[DOM]

A friend of mine left those heatsinks off(x1950XTX) and it spit out a 1 in flame and welded the card. So I would say yes.

Well it does'nt have a HS on it, that HS in the pic is for the MEM only cuz I was asking about the Pulse chips, or are you saying about the VRMS under that lil HS next to the Pulse chips ?

[DaMulta]

Vrms

[DOM]

Vrms

yeah Im thinking of leaving the stock HS on there but dont know whats better cuz i was looking at this http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43&products_id=21214

[tkpenalty]

Hmm.... I wouldnt be so confident that cooler will do a better job than the Zalman, largely because of the crappy thermal pads. Oh and FYI, I can join the clubhouse proper now I think :D after months of tweakin I finally made the Xpertvision BIOS good on my card, runs significantly tighter timings to stock now, hence better performance with that alone, not to mention I lifted a good chunk of the "thou shalt not OC this card" veil, and most importantly its stable now :D


you were always allowed to join...

[Ketxxx]

Not in my book. I have my own filters too ;) being able to join a club without properly working hardware jus a bit skiwif to me :wtf: but all is well now it would seem. :cool:

[Garb3]

hello guys i bought x1950 pro a few weeks back and i got to admit this card is the best i have ever had but my stock clocks are a bit less than what u guys get (gpu-573 mem-1363) and was wondering is there i way the flash my card with a new bios with clocks about gpu-620 mem-1400 without using a floppy drive cause i dont have 1. i read at the beginin of the nthread that someone did it with a boot cd and would that work for me???

really would like your thoughts thanks

[tkpenalty]

here's a guy who didnt read ANYTHING before buying the AcceleroX2

Well since i cant get crossfire to work I need to get rid of this card fast. Its just a bare card with the AC Accelero and 1 New HIS Crossfire bridge.

$130 + Shipping in the US

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/849/hpim1435mh0.th.jpg (http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim1435mh0.jpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/755/hpim1436rv1.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim1436rv1.jpg)

Notice the missing heatsinks for the VRM.

[tkpenalty]

hello guys i bought x1950 pro a few weeks back and i got to admit this card is the best i have ever had but my stock clocks are a bit less than what u guys get (gpu-573 mem-1363) and was wondering is there i way the flash my card with a new bios with clocks about gpu-620 mem-1400 without using a floppy drive cause i dont have 1. i read at the beginin of the nthread that someone did it with a boot cd and would that work for me???

really would like your thoughts thanks

You will have to raise your Voltages to even get that overclock.

[Lt_JWS]

here's a guy who didnt read ANYTHING before buying the AcceleroX2



Notice the missing heatsinks for the VRM.

Wow thanks for pointing out i can't read :shadedshu

[tkpenalty]

Why did u want to sell it anyway?

[DOM]

Why did u want to sell it anyway?

he cant get CF to work

X1950pro Crossfire Problems....
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=30518

[tkpenalty]

Processor might explain something -_-

[Garb3]

are the vrm's just above the pulse chip?:confused:

edit: on a different not when i oc my card at driver level with atitool then put the furry cube on after like 30secs or so i get a vpu recovery error does that mean that its not stable at the clocks i put it at

[wolf]

hey all, im a new proud owner of a x1950, and i thought here would be a great place to get some advice, ive owned alot of gfx cards, mx440, ti4400, fx5600, 9200, 9600, 9800, 6600 and 6800 to name a few, and i was heavily into modding (bios, cooling, clocking) my 6800 ultra back in the day, but i lack ati modding exp, which is why im here.

i own a Sapphire radeon X1950PRO AGP 512 GDDR3

as we all know the stock cooler is .... well not even worth words.

so far i have affixed a Zalman Fatal1ty FC-ZV9 (with arctic silver 5), the ramsinks, and ramsinks to the VRM's with Artic Silver thermal Adhesive.

so far no combination of drivers and/or ati tool has heeded any overclock, not even 1 mhz before big artifact's and system crashes.

while the card was apart i noticed the ram specification " K4J52324QC-BJ11 "

which ive reasearched to be 1.1ns (duh!) and capable of 1800 mhz, yet the card comes with the stock conservative clock of 1400 mhz.

i know bios modding is out there, but i only have nvidia experience, and i wanted a helping hand with maybe a new bios for the card, with 1.1 ns timings, and hopefully a little more core voltage (1.3 is low!) 1.4 or 1.5 would be great, with the zalman on, the card hardly tops 50 degrees C with the cooler on medium, so i feel theres a fair amount of headroom, at least heat wise, and with the ram set 400mhz underclocked, hopefully some headroom there.

any help appreciated, thanx in advance.

P.s. the x1950pro was a huge upgrade from the old agp king the 6800U, id say double. that is the 6800 was the king till the x800/850

and if joining the clubhouse is necisary, i would be happy to post pics of my system and update my profile.

[Garb3]

can i join the club heres my pics

[DOM]

can i join the club heres my pics

is that a XTX cooler ?

[Garb3]

nor its a msi decent but not great i'm just waitin for me accelero x2 to come should be here by thursday:D

[erocker]

hey all, im a new proud owner of a x1950, and i thought here would be a great place to get some advice, ive owned alot of gfx cards, mx440, ti4400, fx5600, 9200, 9600, 9800, 6600 and 6800 to name a few, and i was heavily into modding (bios, cooling, clocking) my 6800 ultra back in the day, but i lack ati modding exp, which is why im here.

i own a Sapphire radeon X1950PRO AGP 512 GDDR3

as we all know the stock cooler is .... well not even worth words.

so far i have affixed a Zalman Fatal1ty FC-ZV9 (with arctic silver 5), the ramsinks, and ramsinks to the VRM's with Artic Silver thermal Adhesive.

so far no combination of drivers and/or ati tool has heeded any overclock, not even 1 mhz before big artifact's and system crashes.

while the card was apart i noticed the ram specification " K4J52324QC-BJ11 "

which ive reasearched to be 1.1ns (duh!) and capable of 1800 mhz, yet the card comes with the stock conservative clock of 1400 mhz.

i know bios modding is out there, but i only have nvidia experience, and i wanted a helping hand with maybe a new bios for the card, with 1.1 ns timings, and hopefully a little more core voltage (1.3 is low!) 1.4 or 1.5 would be great, with the zalman on, the card hardly tops 50 degrees C with the cooler on medium, so i feel theres a fair amount of headroom, at least heat wise, and with the ram set 400mhz underclocked, hopefully some headroom there.

any help appreciated, thanx in advance.

P.s. the x1950pro was a huge upgrade from the old agp king the 6800U, id say double. that is the 6800 was the king till the x800/850

and if joining the clubhouse is necisary, i would be happy to post pics of my system and update my profile.

Welcome Wolf! What are you trying to OC with? Catalyst is useless. This is what I do:
I only install the drivers (newest 7.4's work for me), I use ATi Tool .27b. be sure to tick "Use driver level overclocking" under the x1000 overclocking in settings. Then you should be able to OC in 7mhz increments. You should be able to get at least 620 out of the gpu and you memory just under 1500 mabye, im not too sure on the 512mb models. Btw what are your temps?

[Garb3]

heres some better detailed pics from a review(camra is pants):shadedshu

[erocker]

can i join the club heres my pics

Dude that looks like a sweet cooler!? Can you take a pick of the front and back of it?

[Garb3]

there just above but not in so much detail camara i got at me student digs is pants

edit: it only cools the core and not the ram thats why i ordered an accelero x2

[erocker]

Lol spoke too soon! It looks pretty good other than the fan. If you could find a better replacement fan to put in that think + lap the heatsink I think it would work better than a zalman. Especially if it cools the mem and vrm's as well.
*edit No it doesn't.

[Garb3]

u told wolf to use ati tool .27 beta, i was using that to overclock me card but couldnt break past 615/720 without it crashing:cry: . but now i'm using overdrive and i'm at 621/790:rockout: and i got a 3dmark06 score of 5134:D

[Garb3]

i did have a zalman cooler but i gave it to me mam:p cause i was reading thu this thread and people were frowning on them :eek: so i just stuck to the stock cooler that i got with it:ohwell:

[wolf]

"Welcome Wolf! What are you trying to OC with? Catalyst is useless. This is what I do:
I only install the drivers (newest 7.4's work for me), I use ATi Tool .27b. be sure to tick "Use driver level overclocking" under the x1000 overclocking in settings. Then you should be able to OC in 7mhz increments. You should be able to get at least 620 out of the gpu and you memory just under 1500 mabye, im not too sure on the 512mb models. Btw what are your temps?"

ive tried catalyst 7.1 thru 7.4 and ati tool 0.26 upwards but not all combinations thereof i guess.

temps are 34-37 C idle and 48-50 load, i',m very happy with these temps as the stock cooler was crap( and its my third zalman, love their products! ), although to anyone with a stocker sapphire, just bump the fan up to 80-100% constant, i used 80, takes the edge off the noise, and kept about 10 degrees off the top of load temps (65-70, as oppose to 75-80), but i only ran it for 4 days before buying a cooler.

im also very glad i read the first page of this thread first too, cos those voltage chips, even with ramsinks on, still get warm.

ill try that ati tool with 7.4 drivers.

but mainly im hugely interested in this 1.1 ns ram they equipped my card with, from what i understand i should change the memory timings in a bios i dump, then flash the card, i just dont want to dive into the deep end without some guidance. cos if i can get the mem speeds from 1400 to 1800, hell thats about another 10 g/ps memory bandwith.

also, whats the little square chip on the reverse of the card? right down low near the agp port? my guess is RIALTO but it seems pci-e cards mite have it too, in any case, that gets quite warm, should i heatsink it too?

pics soon to follow, jsut gotta resize and upload them, but i have tafe now, so ill do it tonight.

[wolf]

used ati tool 0.27b with driver level oc and have 600/1485 stable, but i know at least the memory has alot more in it, and ima want more VCORE to get higher core o/c

ooh and piccies.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/wolfoxpants/mikespcmay07.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/wolfoxpants/x1950incomp07.jpg

so can i be in this most prestigious of clubs? :P

[Garb3]

i think yer need to clean the dust off yer cpu heatsink:slap: lol

edit: take some pics after yer have cleaned it and sorted the cables out:)

[wolf]

yer tonite while i had nothing better to do i did a bit of cable management and dusting lol, i think i inhaled about 3 years worth of hardcore gaming :P god bless compressed air in a can, oh and zipties too, iunno where i'd be without them today.

[Garb3]

would the sapphire 6.12 drivers work for my msi card or are they brand specific?? i only ask cause a couple of pages bk tk was sayin they are the best drivers to run a x1950 on??

[tkpenalty]

They will work, they are the SAME thing. The CD drivers are just redistributeable drivers that AMD sends to AIBs to put into the CDs. 6.9 Drivers provide the best performance overall. NFS:C sees like almost doubling of framerate.

[wolf]

alrite, heres some updated pics of my pc and card after the dusting and a bit more cable management, also got a snap of the card while it was outside the comp, still waiting on any advice about my 1.1 ns ram....and wether im in the club!

look at the pic and tell me if i have adequate VRM cooling too, aws.

cheers. wolf.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/wolfoxpants/pc-postcleanup.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/wolfoxpants/x1950.jpg

[tkpenalty]

Yeah the heatsinks are doing their job ;D

[new_rez]

Has anyone tried overclocking the HIS x1950 pro turbo edition?? I've tried but as soon as I do a 5mhz increase on either the memory or the core it artifacts.

Edit: I know it comes overclocked but i was wondering if there was anything more I could squeeze out of it.

[Garb3]

just got me accelero x2 and now my card idles at 34c :respect: lol and it came with the vrm heat spreader:rockout:

pic is when the heat spreader goes i was too eager to get it in to take pics lol

[Garb3]

tk is there anywhere were i can get those 6.9 drivers from:D i have google for them but all i get is reviews lol:shadedshu

[DOM]

tk is there anywhere were i can get those 6.9 drivers from:D i have google for them but all i get is reviews lol:shadedshu

Here you go
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/xp/previous/radeon/radeonxip-cat69-xp.html

[tkpenalty]

just got me accelero x2 and now my card idles at 34c :respect: lol and it came with the vrm heat spreader:rockout:

pic is when the heat spreader goes i was too eager to get it in to take pics lol

34*C is pretty nice, well i cant get that because the stupid front bezel is so restrictive that the intake fan doesnt do its job.

[Garb3]

thanks for the link DOM:respect:

i seen the heat spreader that you had a while ago the long strip thing and thats what i tought i was getting and i didnt have clue where i was goin to put thatlol:p but this plate thing makes better sense for my card like. i was a bit suprised that there was one at the top aswell like( fan was obstructing view most times) but just glad its getting cooled now:D

TK can i join the club:respect:

[wolf]

wow i'm really loving this card, started playing thru doom 3 again the other day on these settings

1440x900
Ultra quality
6xAA
16XAniso

you name it, i put it on.

never ever budges from 60fps flat, considering these cards arent supposed to have as good openGL support as nvidia cards its flawless.

also plays battlefield 2 every setting max with max AA and max Aniso never drops below 55fps, usually hovers around 70-90!

keep in mind the system is an '04 pentium 4, with agp, thats insane!

also games dont seem to stress the card as much as the hairy 3d cube in ati tool, when doom-ing of battlefield-ing, the card never tops 44 degrees.

totally awsome.

oh and sew stable o/c of 614/1485 without bios mods.

[tkpenalty]

wow i'm really loving this card, started playing thru doom 3 again the other day on these settings

1440x900
Ultra quality
6xAA
16XAniso

you name it, i put it on.

never ever budges from 60fps flat, considering these cards arent supposed to have as good openGL support as nvidia cards its flawless.

also plays battlefield 2 every setting max with max AA and max Aniso never drops below 55fps, usually hovers around 70-90!

keep in mind the system is an '04 pentium 4, with agp, thats insane!

also games dont seem to stress the card as much as the hairy 3d cube in ati tool, when doom-ing of battlefield-ing, the card never tops 44 degrees.

totally awsome.

oh and sew stable o/c of 614/1485 without bios mods.

Yeah, the cube is a wh0re, its pixel, vertex and polygon whores'r'us. Thats why it stresses the system so much.

[wolf]

so do i need to heatsink RIALTO ? it gets quite warm and its already covered by something, like these pics i found.

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/ati/x850xtpeagp_clubx800xlagp/images/x800xlagp/rialto_big.jpg

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Articles/Sources/Sapphire_X800/Images/4review/bridge.jpg

[erocker]

No heatsink needed, they do get warm.

[Garb3]

whats the pink pad thing round the gpu is that for watercooled systems???

[tkpenalty]

whats the pink pad thing round the gpu is that for watercooled systems???

WHHAAAAAT!? :banghead:

-_-... Its the rialto chipset roflmao :laugh:

[Garb3]

sorry i dont know much about the card:(

edit: has anybody tried volt modding the card yet???? cause i can only get 621 out of my core and need a way to increase the vgpu memory is ok thats at 797:D

[tkpenalty]

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UPDATE:

CLUB OPENED TO NEW HD SERIES USERS

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Mods, change the title a bit will ya?

[binormalkilla]

Has anyone tried overclocking the HIS x1950 pro turbo edition?? I've tried but as soon as I do a 5mhz increase on either the memory or the core it artifacts.

Edit: I know it comes overclocked but i was wondering if there was anything more I could squeeze out of it.

Yea I have one older model (with the seperate PCI slot covers) and the newer model (with the double slot cover as one) and the newer one doesn't OC :\
I can OC the older revision to 661.5/823.5, but I kept it at 810 on the memory. I think that they turned the VGPU down on the second revision because some people were complaining that it wasn't stable at default clocks.
My advice:
don't worry about OCing it. The real life effects are about 1-3 FPS in games.

[tkpenalty]

Yea I have one older model (with the seperate PCI slot covers) and the newer model (with the double slot cover as one) and the newer one doesn't OC :\
I can OC the older revision to 661.5/823.5, but I kept it at 810 on the memory. I think that they turned the VGPU down on the second revision because some people were complaining that it wasn't stable at default clocks.
My advice:
don't worry about OCing it. The real life effects are about 1-3 FPS in games.

Actually a bit less. The X1950PRO Should be overclocked with the AMD Overclocking tool, as it actually works without killing the card. Nevertheless, AMD should include voltage control in the future as it will help, the X1950PRO is a Voltage hungry card, you have to remember.

Waiting for the first HD 2900XT User to join (might be me)

[tkpenalty]

Hahah... I just cleaned out my GPU and discovered there was a significant amount of dust inside the cooler, I know why Arctic cooling used this design for the cooler, because it makes it easier and safer to clean. I blew into the fan side, and a blast of dust flew out, then i saw a huge amount of dust inside, and blew from the fin side (not recommended), like this huuuuge piece of dust flew out -_-....

[Wile E]

Well TK, come Thursday, my brand new, shiny Powercolor HD2900XT should arrive at my doorstep. I'll joining and seeing everyone then.

[tkpenalty]

Well TK, come Thursday, my brand new, shiny Powercolor HD2900XT should arrive at my doorstep. I'll joining and seeing everyone then.

:D I want one too :(

Oh well, better save up, and then ill use my old X1950PRO as a Physics card for Crysis :D

[binormalkilla]

Actually a bit less. The X1950PRO Should be overclocked with the AMD Overclocking tool, as it actually works without killing the card. Nevertheless, AMD should include voltage control in the future as it will help, the X1950PRO is a Voltage hungry card, you have to remember.

Waiting for the first HD 2900XT User to join (might be me)
By the "AMD overclocking tool" do you mean Overdrive in the CCC?
Or this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/536/AMD_GPU_Clock_Tool_v0.7.html

[DOM]

By the "AMD overclocking tool" do you mean Overdrive in the CCC?
Or this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/536/AMD_GPU_Clock_Tool_v0.7.html

its this I think AMD GPU Clock Tool v0.7
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/536/AMD_GPU_Clock_Tool_v0.7.html

[Ninkobwi]

Just ordered a Sapphire 1950GT 512meg version from newegg. Will have pics soon :)
Does anyone have a link to the review for this card? I cant seem to find it AnYWHere! I cant even find the card on Sapphire's website.. The PCI-E version anyway. Trying to see how it compares to a 1950 pro :)

[Wile E]

Well. got my Powercolor 2900XT up and running. Posted a quick 3DMark06 bench in Alcpone's thread. Got 9901 with my cpu set to 3GHz. Everything else in ORB that beat me was a Core2. I can also play STALKER maxed EVERYTHING, all shadows, full AA and AF @ 1440x900. I get 60fps avg indoors and 40fps avg outdoors.

[tkpenalty]

:D, cool... My X1950PRO is already outdated -_-

[technicks]

Does anybody has a idea how much i can ask for my Sapphire X1950XT with Original cooler +
Zalman VF900 led. Card is 2 months old.
Price in Euro's please.

Thanks.:toast:

[tkpenalty]

Does anybody has a idea how much i can ask for my Sapphire X1950XT with Original cooler +
Zalman VF900 led. Card is 2 months old.
Price in Euro's please.

Thanks.:toast:

150ish?


Going sorta off topic:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/794/__1.jpg

K im making a sig for wile E, for the new HD2900XT users :D

[Wile E]

So what info did you need for my profile on the front page, tk?

[tkpenalty]

So what info did you need for my profile on the front page, tk?

One picture of the card in action, and anything else you think is necessary, apart from that, people should get some MX-1 and replace it ASAP.

[zekrahminator]

Where are the wires :toast:.

[Wile E]

One picture of the card in action, and anything else you think is necessary, apart from that, people should get some MX-1 and replace it ASAP.You mean I have to show you my cables? I'm too ashamed to do that. lol.

[tkpenalty]

You mean I have to show you my cables? I'm too ashamed to do that. lol.

hahah cables, lol its like "I gotta flash my ballz?" Um nah, just a picture of the card in action, if there are leds and stuff lighting it up, make sure they are doing that. Yeah, I dont mind the bad cable management as long as we get the GPU in the picture (shudder)

(I can tell Wile E you are gonna use that text i typed for ur siggy) [/lies]

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

hello all

just stumbled unto your forum and im interested in getting a x1950

i have a few options

1 this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814127246) the 512 looks attractive and all
2 that (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102034) take this and clock it and prolly get a cooler ... but teh color http://www.wheelsjamaica.com/wheels_forum/Smileys/default/sick.gif

i have a abit AB9Pro + E6400 + 2 * 1 GB PC 800 GEiL + 320 GB 7200.10 Barracuda Perp. Recording + 2 * 120 MM Fans @ 70 CFM + 3 * 80 MM Fans @ 45 CFM

any advice and suggestions?

[tkpenalty]

I would go for the MSI. Sapphire's cooler is not a good excuse so more the reason to. If possible add ramsinks on the ram modules.

[erocker]

150ish?


Going sorta off topic:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/794/__1.jpg

K im making a sig for wile E, for the new HD2900XT users :D

Have you tried using a 80mm fan in your open pci slots on the case to fee your card cool air?

[Ninkobwi]

does anyone know a website to find a benchmark of this product:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102094

surely it gives better performance than the 1950gt 256meg version.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

does anyone know a website to find a benchmark of this product:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102094

surely it gives better performance than the 1950gt 256meg version.



was also eyeing that model ... i read somethign somewhere ill check my history

[Ninkobwi]

cool that would be nice IRA..btw how do you have 0 posts?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

thats a good observation .. i have no idea

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

apparently i was viewing it from someone elses computer ... sorry not in history

[ex_reven]

clubhouse posts dont count.
Only posts in general hardware/software count to postcount.

[erocker]

That x1950gt is a waste of money if you use normal resolutions on your monitor. You would be bay better off with a 256mb pro.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

why do u say that, they seem to be the same core, same memory, just a difference of clocks, unless im missing sumpn ...

[Ninkobwi]

That x1950gt is a waste of money if you use normal resolutions on your monitor. You would be bay better off with a 256mb pro.

please explain. they use the same core except the gt is slightly underclocked in comparison. so they should be capable of reaching the same performance when overclocked.

[DaMulta]

Well I guess I should take apart my x1950xtx and put on some arctic silver 5 on the GPU.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

what model xtx are u running with which cooler and what clocks?

[DOM]

Well I guess I should take apart my x1950xtx and put on some arctic silver 5 on the GPU.

I put some MX-1 on mine see what kind of temps I get with on water

Im finishing up my leak test hope this is the last time cuz its been hell :twitch:

I'll post some pics later

[DaMulta]

_FBi;341344']what model xtx are u running with which cooler and what clocks?

1950XTX C3D stock coolor havent OCed yet.... been busy:shadedshu .

[erocker]

The GT uses 8 pixel pipelines and the PRO uses 12 while the XT and XTX use 16. The only difference more video memory is going to be with very high resolutions.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

The GT uses 8 pixel pipelines and the PRO uses 12 while the XT and XTX use 16. The only difference more video memory is going to be with very high resolutions.


food for thought .. thank you kind sir

[Ninkobwi]

GT uses 12 pipelines. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102094
at least the 512 meg version does

[erocker]

That is incorrect. Newegg makes mistakes. I'm sure there is a cheap PRO for around the price of the GT?

[Wile E]

That is incorrect. Newegg makes mistakes. I'm sure there is a cheap PRO for around the price of the GT?
No both the 1950GT and Pro have 12pipes and 36shaders. The GT is just an underclocked Pro.

Here's a link to the specs spreadsheet on Sapphire's site (you need Excel or OpenOffice to read it): http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/productfiles/matrix-vga-1.xls

[erocker]

Oops!:D I have read that there is a reason they are underclocked. Mine is at 627.5 core/769.5 mem.

[Wile E]

Oops!:D I have read that there is a reason they are underclocked. Mine is at 627.5 core/769.5 mem.
Yeah, supposedly the GT uses cores that didn't bin as high as the Pros, or ran at a higher temps than they wanted, but I don't see how they could test them all, so I'm sure some top quality gpus got thru to the GTs.

[erocker]

Now I just wish some GT's and Pro's could be unlockable... My card is great, but I liked the steadieness of my unlocked x800.

[tkpenalty]

Now I just wish some GT's and Pro's could be unlockable... My card is great, but I liked the steadieness of my unlocked x800.

No can do mate, the RV570 and RV560 is a die shrink of the R580+, therefore the other pipelines werent manufactured (Literally speaking a blank in the middle of the die). X1900GT had the R580, 90nm which pretty much died with heat. The latter X1900GTs (at the moment) used RV580s, however with the cores being laser cut, using the X1950PRO's PCB, without the crossfire headers, etc.

I find that all RV570s and RV560s can clock up to 621 mhz, then need overvolting to remain stable, the X1650XT and the X1950PRO/GT they all have the weirdest voltage control chips installed. So if you got an X1650XT, and you use something like a VF900CU on it, chances are you will get at the same clockspeeds, you will get similar temps produced, however the amount of heat energy will be less due to its lack of one of the quads. So to be accurate the RV570 is a FULL core, wheras the RV560 is a 2/3, having one quad less, the RV570 having three quads. You will find that the X1650XT is still a contender for shader intensive games, like need for speed carbon, which on max shader settings, it is equivalent to the 7900GT/GS.

[Oliver]

Sorry folks a bit late but interesting:

I've run a cooling solution comparison: Sapphire x1950 xt stock w catalyst 7.3 and CCC overdrive:

VGA temps in celsius

VF900 cu led (stock w/o fan mate running 12v)
Idle 2d 500/594 3d06 621/900 3d06 655/945 3d06 668/945
41° 88° 91° 94°

Stock cooler (lapped and cleaned and reassembled)
Idle 2d 500/594 3d06 621/900 3d06 655/945 3d06 668/945
44° 88° 89° 89°

Conclusions:

The Vf running at constant speed does cool better at lower loads, however it does not meet the cooling needs at higher loads (it has a constant air flow) and therefore lets the temps soar, the stock cooler does have a lousier efficiency at low speed low loads but does cool better as soon as the load ramps up.........(with a penalty: noisy but ramps up at 88° c and keeps the temp there until a much heavier load sets in)

As 3dmark scores are concerned the difference is 12 points in 668/945 mode.

I'd say if you don't mind a little noise under load keep the original cooler and re lap and reassemble it cleaned of all the plastic and gunk on it. Other wise run a VF but you'll be hotter and possibly run into problems if heavily OCed

PS: I shaved 2 (two) degrees off the mobo thanks to the stock cooler that blows the hot air OUT of the case

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

well mi salt .. them not going refund me my insurance money until the package is missing for 30 days ... might end up getting a hd2600xt .. i dunno ill see hwat happens when ig et teh money

[DaMulta]

Hey what do you guys thing of this?"
ZEROtherm GX815 Gamer Edition 2 Ball VGA Cooler - Retail $38.99
($28.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate)
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835887009)
Pros: Installed this on ATI Radeon X1900XTX in under a half hour with nary a problem. Easy to install, card didn't bend at all like some reviews will tell you. Temps with stock cooling were 54 idle, 85 load. After installing the GX815, idle dropped to 40, and highest load I have seen is 59. The fan noise is near silent from 3 feet away upon startup, nowhere close to the dustbuster the stock cooler had. At load, the fan is audible, but is not enough to be distracting.

Review (http://www.realworldbenchmarks.com/article.php?cat=&id=35)

I'm thinking about getting this for mu x1950XTX for now to kill the fan nosie.

[tkpenalty]

Its quite a good cooler, ZEROtherm have been known for making great cooling solutions. Just buy it man. It would be good if you get some copper BGA heatsinks for your VRM units since there is no deliberate air blaster for them. The stock one is fine, but i would prefer to use copper.

[erocker]

It certainly isn't as nice as a zalman. The fan reminds me of a crappy ati fan. I'm sure it works fine though.

[tkpenalty]

It certainly isn't as nice as a zalman. The fan reminds me of a crappy ati fan. I'm sure it works fine though.

Correction, its better than a zalman. Most Zalman products arent being made in korea anymore -_-...

[Oliver]

Correction, its better than a zalman. Most Zalman products arent being made in korea anymore -_-...

..............which would explain poor results of mine facing my re-lapped stock cooler;)

[erocker]

Korea? Who cares! Just put both of them side by side. Nothing in the Zalman design has changed, the same parts and materials are being used, and the Zerotherm cooler uses half of the materials (at least) than the Zalman. Either way I prefer Arcitc Cooling's solutions.

[tkpenalty]

Korea? Who cares! Just put both of them side by side. Nothing in the Zalman design has changed, the same parts and materials are being used, and the Zerotherm cooler uses half of the materials (at least) than the Zalman. Either way I prefer Arcitc Cooling's solutions.

AcceleroX2 is not a performance powerhouse, its a silent house (wtf).

[Wayward]

Hi, I have a question that I hope is not too noobish.

I just got a Sapphire x1950pro 512, and of course changed the cooler. I replaced the stock with a Zalman vf-900. I am wondering if there are other heatsinks I should attach.

Here is the model I have: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102075

In the first post I read that some models of x1950pro have VRM issues due to overheating when the stock cooler is replaced. The article goes on to say some manufacturers saw the VRM issue and started using a capacitor barrage. I see a capacitor barrage on my PCB, so does that mean I'm safe?

Should I consider bonding heatsinks to the voltage regulators by the 6pin power plug anyway?

Thank you for any advice you can give, I appreciate it.

[tkpenalty]

You do not need them since you have the newer revision which has a crapper cooler, but no VRMs, instead using the normal capacitors for voltage filtering; which I think is much better. Sapphire are slowly having less VRM X1950PROs.

[Wayward]

You do not need them since you have the newer revision which has a crapper cooler, but no VRMs, instead using the normal capacitors for voltage filtering; which I think is much better. Sapphire are slowly having less VRM X1950PROs.
Thanks for the clarification, tkpenalty. I'm glad I don't need to take out my new card again. Cheers!
:toast:

PS, when I get 50 posts, I'll be back to join your club. :cool:

[tkpenalty]

Thanks for the clarification, tkpenalty. I'm glad I don't need to take out my new card again. Cheers!
:toast:

PS, when I get 50 posts, I'll be back to join your club. :cool:

dont have to ill make it 15 posts.

[tkpenalty]

aah crap now I can hear my acceleroX2

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

they found my package back so now im teh owner of a 7900 GS .. trying to get it sold though ...

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

sad

[Wile E]

aah crap now I can hear my acceleroX2
That sucks. Is the fan starting to whine or something?

[tkpenalty]

AcceleroX2 is not a performance powerhouse, its a silent house (wtf).

*Corrects himself* the AcceleroX2 can take higher heat loads better than the VF900CU. The AcceleroX2 does not go past 80*C At full load for the X1950XT. In fact the VF900CU performs badly due to the fact that the heatpipes are not in contact with the base of the cooler itself; if they were there would be much more heat transfer involved. Last debate that occured noone pointed this out.

That sucks. Is the fan starting to whine or something?

Actually wasnt my fan. Yes the AcceleroX2 makes a noise but its a low noise "ddahddah" but at 1m its inaudible. No way that the AcceleroX2 will make a whine, the fan's bearing makes it virtually impossible for that to even occur; compare that to the VF900CU.

I better correct what I wrote on the first page though.

AcceleroX2 performs the best when there is a intake sorce blowing on the cooler - 35*C Idle FTW!!!! (Thats with my case's front bezel removed). If you do not have a case with a substantial intake source, the cooling power is somewhat hampered. In something like a coolermaster Stacker; with the mobo in the flipped over inverted ATX setup, the AcceleroX2 is teh_pwnage; just remember to leave the plate covers open.

Remember that debate about the Accelero VS VF900CU? The VF900CU is one of the most expensive coolers and I've seen a trend in its performance; performing good for mid range products and not so good for high end products from ATI. Now reviving that debate, people dont know the difference between the speed of the removal of heat and the amount of heat an object can store. The VF900 CU has the heatpipes + copper, not in touch with the base. The speed of the transfer of heat is fast until the fins where it bottlenecks. The Heatpipes have cycles and in between each cycle the performance sort of worsens, and then goes back to normal.

AcceleroX2 on the other hand uses aluminium, and heatpipes! Aluminium transfers heat much faster and there is a proportionate amount of aluminium to the VF900CU. Moreover there is a larger surface area. Now guys with X1950PROs, AcceleroX2 and VF900CU performs the SAME. X1950XT? Similarly. But that just prompts me; why on earth would someone pay almost $20 more for a cooler that performs somewhat the same and worse?! VF900CU has less surface area and less heatpipes, the AcceleroX2 would outperform the VF900CU; it has been shown by benchmarks.

Stock cooler of the X1950XT is excellent as oliver showed us, but the problem lies in the utilisation of the cooler. If only the fan was larger and used a better bearing, if only the copper base was thinner; reducing thermal resistance

Now to make it clear, reason why I said not made in Korea was because of the quality control. I'm a chinese guy and I don't care about my "own country" (even though I have never been there ROFL), the Chinese workforce are bent on making money and doing things at a speedy pace. However in Korea the workers have a perfectionist mentality; therefore products manufactured there are of an excellent quality-example, in the US u get some lunchboxes and they'll break if u step on them. In korea, the plastics are so solid that you could stand on them without the plastics showing any signs of damage. I'm talking about quality of the products; may not really affect performance but yeah.

So yeah oliver; why not try changing the fan on the stock cooler and seeing how it would perform?

[tkpenalty]

_FBi;345911']sad

Just get a new cooler and overclock the S$^%#^@ out of it.

[Wile E]

Yeah TK, I had an X2 on my X1800XT. In my case it was perfectly silent, with my card bios modded to 100% fan. I remember the first time I booted with it installed, I had to go into my machine and check to see if it was actually spinning. lol That's what made me think maybe yours developed a whine. I never heard mine once.

And, not to start an argument or anything, but anything that contains a bearing can develop a whine. It's nowhere near impossible, even for an X2. That's another thing that led me to believe that maybe yours did develop a whine, when you mentioned being able to hear it.

Off Topic: Is that your FD3S?

[DaMulta]

oblivion is screaming on this card. I also have texture packs installed with HDR/AA by having all CCC options to max. I did'nt take a look at FPS but I think it's 40-60 from the way thaty it's running. WOW last time I played this game maxed was on a OCed 1800xt and this x1950xtx stomps it and it's not even oced.

[tkpenalty]

Yeah TK, I had an X2 on my X1800XT. In my case it was perfectly silent, with my card bios modded to 100% fan. I remember the first time I booted with it installed, I had to go into my machine and check to see if it was actually spinning. lol That's what made me think maybe yours developed a whine. I never heard mine once.

And, not to start an argument or anything, but anything that contains a bearing can develop a whine. It's nowhere near impossible, even for an X2. That's another thing that led me to believe that maybe yours did develop a whine, when you mentioned being able to hear it.

Off Topic: Is that your FD3S?

I wish it was my FD3S :( The AcceleroX2 isnt silent-but its only audible at 10cm. Do u have a pic of ur HD2900XT?!

oblivion is screaming on this card. I also have texture packs installed with HDR/AA by having all CCC options to max. I did'nt take a look at FPS but I think it's 40-60 from the way thaty it's running. WOW last time I played this game maxed was on a OCed 1800xt and this x1950xtx stomps it and it's not even oced.

I wish i could say that lol...

[Wayward]

I'd have to say I'd go with the vf-900 though. I've had both Accelro X-2's and Zalman vf-900's pass through my workshop, and my experience has been more favorable to Zalman.

The performance and noise differences are negligible. In some cases one performs better than the other, and vice versa. They are both quiet, really really quiet.

However the vf-900 has much better compatibility, and is lighter than the Accelro x-2. The vf-900 is also smaller, allowing the installation of large northbridge heatsinks, which in some cases would be impossible with the Accelro X-2.

In fact on my own board, the Biostar TForce 550, I installed a Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II northbridge cooler. While the vf-900 has room to spare, the Accelro X-2 won't even fit.

I grant you of course, that price is definitely not in Zalman's favor...

[tkpenalty]

Yeah but u have the X1950PRO... the X1950PRO has that amount of heat that it wont kill the heatpipes temporarily like the X1950XT does.

[Wayward]

Yeah but u have the X1950PRO... the X1950PRO has that amount of heat that it wont kill the heatpipes temporarily like the X1950XT does.

True. That's why in some cases it performs better, other times not. High TDP chips will most likely take the Accelro X-2 better due to the heatpipe issue.

On that note, I've noticed something about it that intrigues me actually. My new GPU runs cooler with the vf-900 than my old GPU did, the x1900gt, which had the ICEQ3 cooler. I figured that the ICEQ3 was better, as it exausts the heat out the back, and my old GPU ran at the same clock rate. Would the reason the new one runs cooler be due to the manufacturing process?

The x1900gt was 90nm, while the x1950pro is 80nm. Does 10nm make that much of a difference?

[tkpenalty]

The ICEQ is not as effective as the VF900CU, just to let you know, unless you are talking about low ventilation situations.

90nm produces way more heat than 80nm.

Oh yeah whoever goes the RV570 (X1950PRO) is just AMD trying to get rid of previous gen products, you are WRONG. The X1900GT has a different core to the X1950PRO.

[tkpenalty]

Hey what do you guys thing of this?"
ZEROtherm GX815 Gamer Edition 2 Ball VGA Cooler - Retail $38.99
($28.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate)


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I'm thinking about getting this for mu x1950XTX for now to kill the fan nosie.

Actually now thinking a bit more, get the AcceleroX2.

[Wayward]

The ICEQ is not as effective as the VF900CU, just to let you know, unless you are talking about low ventilation situations.

90nm produces way more heat than 80nm.

Oh yeah whoever goes the RV570 (X1950PRO) is just AMD trying to get rid of previous gen products, you are WRONG. The X1900GT has a different core to the X1950PRO.

Cool. Well, I'm glad I traded up for a more effective solution. I liked the ICEQ3, but the vf-900 does seem to be quieter while preforming better. In any case I think the real difference in heat is due to the process type as you have said. 80nm really is much cooler.

Which brings up an interesting question. WHY? In the world of CPUs, much larger die shrinks take place, and the heat differences seem to be similar or less. For instance the recent AMD die shrinks are from 90nm to 65nm, while the ATI die shrinks are only from 90nm to 80nm. Is there a reason behind why the GPUs are only shrinking 10nm, as opposed to CPUs shrinking 25nm? Is there a reason behind why the lesser shrink of the GPUs has such an impact on heat dissipation?

Just curious. :D

Oh, and I don't know why anyone would think the r570 is older than the r580, besides the designation. A little research quickly proves it's superiority in process type, as well as reveal it's more recent debut. The x1950pro is most certainly not the x1900gt. :laugh:

I love these charts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units

[tkpenalty]

Okay its due to the fact that before ATI did not have such a large budget to do such a thing, moreover shrinking 25nm is not an easy task as you will have to use different transistors and layout for the design. Mainly it was due to the price however... Shrinking 10nm is an easy task compared to 25nm.

Just realise that the RV570 runs cooler not only because of its process but because it has one less quad which has not been manufactured rendering unlocking it impossible.

[binormalkilla]

LOL I just realized that I've never posted a 3dmark score of my Crossfire setup! Here it is, standard 7.4 Catalyst, PCIE1 OCed to 661.5/810 (not that it matters much, only one core)
Also default 3dmark settings.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7782/3dmark06pcie1oced74stanar5.jpg

[tkpenalty]

lol! Anyways, I flipped the case over, removed front bezel and guess what, 33*C Idle, that proves that the AcceleroX2 is the king in a BTX setup.

[erocker]

Well, I get those temps., and when it's cold in here 1-2c lower. I am the KING!!!:nutkick:










ok j/k. ...not about the temps...

[erocker]

Hey Binormalkilla! I'm just wondering what your settings are to keep your processor stable at 2.7ghz? I've been trying and trying with a similar setup. (no cf though :( )

[Wile E]

Sorry TK. Pics soon. I lent my cam to my sister. Should have it back by tomorrow or the day after.

[Wayward]

Okay its due to the fact that before ATI did not have such a large budget to do such a thing, moreover shrinking 25nm is not an easy task as you will have to use different transistors and layout for the design. Mainly it was due to the price however... Shrinking 10nm is an easy task compared to 25nm.

Just realise that the RV570 runs cooler not only because of its process but because it has one less quad which has not been manufactured rendering unlocking it impossible.

Sweet, well that all makes sense. Thanks for enlightening me. :D

Why is it though that the locked quad produces heat? Isn't it "off"? Or does it produce the heat indirectly, by crowding the other three?

[tkpenalty]

Nah it doesnt produce heat... its dead.

Btw Rate this :): http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/810

[Wayward]

Btw Rate this :): http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/810

I'll give that a 10 for the excellent cable job. I won't criticize for the lack of lights, as that is a personal preference issue. Some like em', some don't. I like a well lighted case, but that's not important here. Anyway, lights mean more cables, making organization more difficult.

Despite the lack of ligh