Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

[Craigleberry]

Cheers for that.
How much of an improvment would I get?
Sorry for the double post

[Wile E]

Motherboard is a GA-VM800PMC rev 1.0
Your mobo will take up to an E6420, if you update your BIOS, so it can actually do 1066 FSB, at least on the lower Core2 models.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=2471&ProductName=GA-VM800PMC

[tkpenalty]

^Beat me to it... Craigleberry, it will blow your Pentium 4 away... like by Four times. Four times faster statistically. Its worth the upgrade anyway, Core 2s are dirt cheap these days becuase of the pricewar going on between AMD and Intel. Yes, if possible go for the E6420. But E4500 or E2140 if you must, VIA/Gigabyte sorta underestimated what their chipsets could do.

[Wile E]

^Beat me to it... Craigleberry, it will blow your Pentium 4 away... like by Four times. Four times faster statistically. Its worth the upgrade anyway, Core 2s are dirt cheap these days becuase of the pricewar going on between AMD and Intel. Yes, if possible go for the E6420. But E4500 or E2140 if you must, VIA/Gigabyte sorta underestimated what their chipsets could do.With that board, I'd probably go for the E4500, to get that 10x multi, then run the fsb up to 266(since we know it does it), and have myself a 2.66GHz Core 2 on the cheap.

[Craigleberry]

Thanks for that. So it still runs stable overclocked to a 2.66 GHz

[Grings]

With that board, I'd probably go for the E4500, to get that 10x multi, then run the fsb up to 266(since we know it does it), and have myself a 2.66GHz Core 2 on the cheap.

e4500 is an 11x multi, the e4400 has a 10x

[tkpenalty]

Either way, dont push it past 2.8Ghz... after that it will need Voltage. E4500's stock clockspeed is already fast enough so I wouldnt overclock.

[Wile E]

e4500 is an 11x multi, the e4400 has a 10xYep, you're right. I confused it with the 4400

[Widjaja]

Craigleberry
What makes you think the CPU is causing the bottleneck?
What are the signs your'e getting which is telling you that?

Besides that I've never heard of a 775 agp board unless it was one of those ASROCK dual VSTA jobs.

[Wile E]

Craigleberry
What makes you think the CPU is causing the bottleneck?
What are the signs your'e getting which is telling you that?

Besides that I've never heard of a 775 agp board unless it was one of those ASROCK dual VSTA jobs.Some Core 2's are on the CPU support list for his board. And he has a p4 3GHz, of course it's a bottleneck. lol

[Widjaja]

Yeah but I want to know what signs he's getting which is telling him it's the CPU.

Are then frames in benchtests too low?

Or is it something when he's playing games?

[p_o_s_pc]

Craigleberry
What makes you think the CPU is causing the bottleneck?
What are the signs your'e getting which is telling you that?

Besides that I've never heard of a 775 agp board unless it was one of those ASROCK dual VSTA jobs.

I have seen many 775 boards with AGP. Go to newegg and tigerdirect and look.

[Craigleberry]

Yep there are a few boards not many but they do exist Made by Asrock Asus and Gigabyte. I Got the gigabyte board when my Asrock died as it Had support for duel core and core2 duo.
I am aware of the bottleneck because of the fact that I have 90-100 percent usage on the CPU Moniter Whilst playing games like Colin Mcrae dirt with the settings turned up High. It also chunks whilst the meter says 100 percent so I put it down to the fact that I have a P4 3.06 GHz with 1MB L2-cache with a 533 MHz FSB! P.S I can watch my CPU and RAM usage on my Logitech G15 LCD.

[p_o_s_pc]

Just to show you all that i did have a His X1950pro here is a pic.
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/p_o_s_pc/S5030293.jpg
mmmmm so sexy.:laugh: damn that is hot show n all the wires.

[imperialreign]

curious, CB . . . do you know your specific processor number? There are only a small handful of the P4's clocked at 3.06G, and most of 'em seem to operate like an ADHD kid.

My P4 is the 524 proc. clocked at 3.06G, also, and she'll buggar up in certain games and not others . . . plus, other services running in the background seem to do their fair share of fighting for resources, and can bring some programs to a halt, even though they're only pulling <10% CPU usage at a time (antivirus/spyware software seems, IMO, to be the worst culprits - especially the more mainstream programs, McAfee, PC-Cillin, etc.) - you might have to go through task manager and look for oddities, any services whose CPU usage is jumping all over the place.

If your P4 is HT enabled, I'd honestly recommend leaving it on - XP SP2 runs a lot better multithreaded.





POS - that's a big case, man - full tower? and is that a HIPER PSU I see there?

[Craigleberry]

Thats the number 524. I am fairly certain that it is the CPU thats the culprit.

[Craigleberry]

That photo looks a little like my set up. I also need to spend a little time on cable managment lol.

[p_o_s_pc]

POS - that's a big case, man - full tower? and is that a HIPER PSU I see there?

Yes that is a Hiper PSU 580w Type-R the case is the biggest MID-tower i could find at the time i didn't have room for a full tower.

[Widjaja]

Just to show you all that i did have a His X1950pro here is a pic.
mmmmm so sexy.:laugh: damn that is hot show n all the wires.

Indeed :toast:
Nice and tidy.

My system is jumbled up compared to that.
Took a quick snap shot of it a couple of minutes ago.
8872




Anyway.
Does anyone know of a CPU monitoring OSD program?
Or a CPU usage logger?

[imperialreign]

I wouldn't doubt it at all - I'm in the same boat :laugh:

Is yours and your mobo HT enabled then? If so, there should be an option for it in BIOS, I'd make sure to have it on. Your mobo can defi handle the 524 FSB.

and like I mentioned, you might want to run through all your running programs when you're in-game. There have been some games where I've had to shut down some services now and then. If your BIOS allows it, you might want to try and tweak the CPU clocks to see if that helps things out

And I'd recommend a real dual core proc, the E4500 or E4400.


Does anyone know of a CPU monitoring OSD program?
Or a CPU usage logger?


not off the top of my head . . . I can recommend one for RAM usage . . .

[Craigleberry]

http://img.techpowerup.org/070806/messy wires.jpg




Spaghetti incident:rockout:

[Wile E]

Spaghetti incident:rockout:
lol. GnR

[Craigleberry]

That wasnt a bad album that

[Wile E]

That wasnt a bad album thatNot bad at all, but not the greatest.

I'm just laughing because I'm old enough to have caught the reference. :roll:

[p_o_s_pc]

Why don't you have a back fan?Is it a 80mm or a 120mm fan? (could be a 92mm not sure)

[imperialreign]

true!

sometime . . . somewhere . . . someday, we might see this up-n-coming GnR album . . . IF it's ever released :rolleyes:

prob will suck, though, without Slash

Greatest Hits was their best album to date :roll: :rockout:

[Wile E]

Greatest Hits was their best album to date :roll: :rockout:lol Agreed.

And to further show my age, nice Dark Crystal avatar. lol

[imperialreign]

And to further show my age, nice Dark Crystal avatar. lol

that movie rocked, man! IMO, second best from the 80's - 1st was The Goonies - ATW!!

[Craigleberry]

I know it suck to be getting old Wile E . The Rear is 120mm I have added that to my shopping list along with the cpu and a nice cooler for that aswell. When all finished I will post photo.
Most of their stuff still is good value.GNR:rockout::toast::roll:

[imperialreign]

good luck with the rig, man - hope you can get it somewhat manageable until your new toys show up

[tkpenalty]

Hmm... anyway Craig. Heres a list of what you gotta do:
1. CPU Upgrade
Yes... if upgrading the processor means better framerates... then why not upgrade? Its cheap and the proccy puts out low heat anyway.
2. Case fans. You NEED them. Grab two 120mm fans, one for front, one for rear
3. Cable management. Use my one as a guide... look at my siggy.

Hope it turns out great man :D

[Craigleberry]

Nice Rig tkpenalty.

[tkpenalty]

Okay, now what drivers are everyone using? I am using 7.8s

[TonyStark]

Some good news for HD2900XT owners looking for aftermarket air cooling. The Thermalright HR-03 / R600 will be released mid-August.

[p_o_s_pc]

I wouldn't doubt it at all - I'm in the same boat :laugh:

Is yours and your mobo HT enabled then? If so, there should be an option for it in BIOS, I'd make sure to have it on. Your mobo can defi handle the 524 FSB.

and like I mentioned, you might want to run through all your running programs when you're in-game. There have been some games where I've had to shut down some services now and then. If your BIOS allows it, you might want to try and tweak the CPU clocks to see if that helps things out

And I'd recommend a real dual core proc, the E4500 or E4400.





not off the top of my head . . . I can recommend one for RAM usage . . .

hell i think he would be better with a pentium D :laugh: or a E2140 would be better if needed to be cheap.

[Darknova]

Okay, now what drivers are everyone using? I am using 7.8s

I'm using 7.6. I'm afraid that I just don't trust the BETA drivers lol.

[Wile E]

I'm on 7.8s. Seem to be working great so far.

[Darknova]

I'm on 7.8s. Seem to be working great so far.

Is there a noticable performance increase over 7.6?

[Wile E]

Is there a noticable performance increase over 7.6?I don't know exactly, I never compared 7.6 and 7.7s, but there's a noticeable difference over 7.7s.

[tkpenalty]

Duh... 7.7s went backwards... 7.8s are better, the image quality...... just keeps getting better.

Oh yeah also... if anyone happens to want to buy a HD2900XT. Go for the Gigabyte... the stock cooler works heaps better because it has an extra heatpipe.

[Craigleberry]

I am using 7.7 so according to Gameshadow.

[Darknova]

Hey tk, is there any performance increase over 7.6?

[Craigleberry]

hell i think he would be better with a pentium D :laugh: or a E2140 would be better if needed to be cheap.

I do not want to go with a Elcheapo CPU this time thanks.

[tkpenalty]

E2140 is cheaper than Pentium D :p

Darknova, you should be using this signature under...
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/GunbladePlatinum/XTcopy-1.jpg

[Darknova]

Should, except I HATE that cooler....it looks ugly...my cards pretty ^_^

[Craigleberry]

I have ordered a E4400.
and 2 120mm Case fans to go with the 3 80mm that are in my sidewinder case.
So hopefully it will not get hot!

[p_o_s_pc]

I do not want to go with a Elcheapo CPU this time thanks.

All i am saying is if you wanted a cheap dual core for overclocking the E2140 would be better than the P4 and the Pd

[Craigleberry]

Thanks mate I agree wit ya. I am just kicking myself for not merging over to pci e when I got my x1950 that way I wouldnt have such a limited selection of motherboards and RAM Speed.

[tkpenalty]

Nah man, ur RAM is fine. However the CPU is not. Thats all you need to fix up to get a fast computer. Even an E2140 will blow your P4 away.

[Craigleberry]

Cheers tk.. I know that but what happens when I want to go to dx10?
I cannot use ddr2 667 or 800 and cannot go with a 1066 FSB and I dare say that the x1950 will prolly be one of the last (decent) AGP cards made. I guess that I will get to have more fun building another in the not so distant future! :)

[tkpenalty]

If you have the money now.... why not just build a new system O_o

[imperialreign]

I hear that . . . kinda pricey, though :)

lol, I'd be happy to get away from that 524, too - feelin' your pain on that CB!

[p_o_s_pc]

I don't think there will be any DX10 on AGP. I almost went s-939 and not AM2 and the board was DDR and AGP but i waited and got DDR2 and PCI-E.That would have been the best thing to do.

[tkpenalty]

There is a HD2600XT by HIS for AGP thats expected to come out soon. However its a huge downgrade from the X1950PRO.

[Craigleberry]

There is a HD2600XT by HIS for AGP thats expected to come out soon. However its a huge downgrade from the X1950PRO.
Exactly Ati and Nvidia aint going to be supporting AGP For much longer. I am a prime example of what happens when you rush into things lol

[p_o_s_pc]

you wouldn't want windows XP SP2 OEM my gigabyte mobo and x2 4600+ would you?...
O wait didn't u say you ordered a C2D? If you did than i am sure you don't want my AMD.

[imperialreign]

AGP was the -ish when it first came out, though - much faster than standard PCI . . . until PCIe rolled out, then AGP got served . . .


. . . although, some might still argue otherwise . . .

[p_o_s_pc]

I have never used AGP so i can't tell you if PCI-E is much better than not.

[imperialreign]

I missed out on the AGP craze, too - my old (antique) PC was running a VooDoo3 PCI, which is somewhere in my room . . . still works, though, and a damn good card at that.

[p_o_s_pc]

My video card that was in my old rig was a Geforce MX4000(pci) i had it overclocked to 450 on the core that card kicked some azz but it started to smoke one day so it is gone. :(

[Wile E]

AGP was the -ish when it first came out, though - much faster than standard PCI . . . until PCIe rolled out, then AGP got served . . .


. . . although, some might still argue otherwise . . .lol. Time to show the age again. I remember the PCI to AGP transition, too. I went from a P1 75Mhz with a PCI card (don't remember which one), to a PII 233 and an AGP card(again, don't remember).

[tkpenalty]

I wish i had a HD2900XT...

[kebabs]

Um, Any Possible chance I can join the Clubhouse? :D?

I have a HD 2900 XT.

[hat]

I wish I had one too. Anyone want to give me one? PLEASE?

[p_o_s_pc]

I wish I had one too. Anyone want to give me one? PLEASE?

I also wish i had one (HD2900xt that is :p) i will also take one if someone wants to give one away :rockout::D

[hat]

I also wish i had one (HD2900xt that is :p) i will also take one if someone wants to give one away :rockout::D

Im somebody is giving one away, I'm first. You're 2nd in line.

[imperialreign]

I went from a P1 75Mhz with a PCI card (don't remember which one), to a PII 233 and an AGP card(again, don't remember).


:laugh:, I remember having an Intel 286 that was only clocked at like . . . 15Mhz or something like that! We didn't make the upgrad to a 386 until sometime in the early 90's!


Good 'ol days of PC's, man!

[TonyStark]

I also wish i had one (HD2900xt that is :p) i will also take one if someone wants to give one away :rockout::D

It will be in the Glove Compartment of the Lamborghini I'm sending over. Should arrive in a few days. :shadedshu

[p_o_s_pc]

It will be in the Glove Compartment of the Lamborghini I'm sending over. Should arrive in a few days. :shadedshu

:roll::rockout:

[imperialreign]

Diablo or Murcielago?

Either way, that'd be the -ish!

Until you manage this:

http://www.yofixie.com/pics/murcielago.JPG



:D

[tkpenalty]

PWNED HAHA :p

[Darknova]

Diablo or Murcielago?

Either way, that'd be the -ish!

Until you manage this:

http://www.yofixie.com/pics/murcielago.JPG



:D

The guy who did that should be SHOT :eek:

[p_o_s_pc]

The guy who did that should be SHOT :eek:

I 2nd that but i think he is hate n him self for that wouldn't u?

[Darknova]

I 2nd that but i think he is hate n him self for that wouldn't u?

I'd be hanging myself for that lol. How can you do that to such an amazing car? :(

[tkpenalty]

lol guys what do u think of this for a backup system:

Celeron 420
2x1GB DDR667 Generic
Gigabyte GA-945P DS3
HD2600PRO
160GB Seagate LP HDD
PC-302 Case
Thermaltake 430W PSU (I already have)

[Wile E]

lol guys what do u think of this for a backup system:

Celeron 420
2x1GB DDR667 Generic
Gigabyte GA-945P DS3
HD2600PRO
160GB Seagate LP HDD
PC-302 Case
Thermaltake 430W PSU (I already have)If it's just gonna be a basic internet and movie machine, step down to a HD2400, and go for some better ram.

[p_o_s_pc]

lol guys what do u think of this for a backup system:

Celeron 420
2x1GB DDR667 Generic
Gigabyte GA-945P DS3
HD2600PRO
160GB Seagate LP HDD
PC-302 Case
Thermaltake 430W PSU (I already have)

Hell of alot better than i have.(for now)
Celeron 950mhz @ 1228mhz
2*128mb SD133@129mhz
Geforce MX4000 (PCI)
Spider 2 mid ATX case
40gb Seagate IDE 100 HDD
8gb IDE
Rosewill 380w psu. :banghead:
I think it will be good for a back-up not something i would want to use everyday.

[tkpenalty]

If it's just gonna be a basic internet and movie machine, step down to a HD2400, and go for some better ram.

rofl..... I lol'ed... Hmm... negative.

Pentium 4 Northwood 3.2 (30 cap)
2x512MB DDR400 Single channel
ASUS P4S800
9800PRO

^old rig... not using it for backup but I want it to be similar or faster. Aim is for low heat output.

[kebabs]

Can I join the Clubhouse?

I have a HD 2900 XT :P.

[Wile E]

rofl..... I lol'ed... Hmm... negative.

Pentium 4 Northwood 3.2 (30 cap)
2x512MB DDR400 Single channel
ASUS P4S800
9800PRO

^old rig... not using it for backup but I want it to be similar or faster. Aim is for low heat output.So wait, how is what I suggested, not better than the system you listed?

Oh, and I caught your edit, btw.

[imperialreign]

Weird imprerialreign... request and RMA if possible.


Well, ATi won't RMA my card, according to them, hardware monitoring is only supported in the XT and XTX models. They won't even take my card to modify it to support monitoring. Kinda sad, I think, that a high-mid range card lack something so simple . . .

Anyhow, I'll ask again . . . anyone with a newer PCB designed X1950 willing to take a pic of where the temp diode(s) are located on the card (and let me know what type they are)? I'm willing to try installing them and see if that works . . . if it doesn't work, then f-it, I guess.

[tkpenalty]

Oh well man... Just grab a VF900CU or an AcceleroX2 and u'll be happier.

[insider]

That's bull*** reply from ATI, all X1950 Pro's have temp sensors, AFAIK it's built into the core itself and another one on the PCB for ambient temps.

The bios you uploaded had fan speed levels that adjusted according to gpu temperature, if the card has no gpu temp reading then the fan adjustments cannot possibly function on the card, therefore the card would be running at the lowest fan speed level regardless of gpu temps which cannot be possible without the card overheating.

Forget about the Arctic or Zalman coolers, checkout the Thermalright V2 all copper VGA heatsink, I've not seen any reviews of it yet but judging by the design and Thermalright's reputation it'll trash any Arctic cooling/Zalman cooler with ease.

[p_o_s_pc]

I agree that reply is bs. I had a x1950pro and it reported temps.The GPU underload and overclocked ran about 60c.:rockout:

[tkpenalty]

That's bull*** reply from ATI, all X1950 Pro's have temp sensors, AFAIK it's built into the core itself and another one on the PCB for ambient temps.

The bios you uploaded had fan speed levels that adjusted according to gpu temperature, if the card has no gpu temp reading then the fan adjustments cannot possibly function on the card, therefore the card would be running at the lowest fan speed level regardless of gpu temps which cannot be possible without the card overheating.

Forget about the Arctic or Zalman coolers, checkout the Thermalright V2 all copper VGA heatsink, I've not seen any reviews of it yet but judging by the design and Thermalright's reputation it'll trash any Arctic cooling/Zalman cooler with ease.

V2 is too heavy. Unless you dont mind about your PCB flexing. Then get it. The accelero isnt an angel exactly but the plastic shroud keeps the PCB stiff.

[p_o_s_pc]

Well, ATi won't RMA my card, according to them, hardware monitoring is only supported in the XT and XTX models. They won't even take my card to modify it to support monitoring. Kinda sad, I think, that a high-mid range card lack something so simple . . .

Anyhow, I'll ask again . . . anyone with a newer PCB designed X1950 willing to take a pic of where the temp diode(s) are located on the card (and let me know what type they are)? I'm willing to try installing them and see if that works . . . if it doesn't work, then f-it, I guess.

http://smiliesftw.com/x/bullshit.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

[imperialreign]

yeah . . . I thought it was ripe BS on their part, too. Kinda sad my good 'ol X700 PRO supported hardware monitoring and this beefcake card can't. I mean, is it just me, or has ATi's customer service slowly been dropping off since AMD bought them? <EDIT:> Oh, and I love how customer service keeps referring me to Rage3D for possible answers to crap they don't support :shadedshu

The bios you uploaded had fan speed levels that adjusted according to gpu temperature, if the card has no gpu temp reading then the fan adjustments cannot possibly function on the card, therefore the card would be running at the lowest fan speed level regardless of gpu temps which cannot be possible without the card overheating.


Which is defi true - I had also noticed the hardware reference for an LM63 listed in this card's BIOS also. <sarcastically> Why would there be a reference with no hardware?!!
Anyway - that's where I got the idea that IF I am missing the temp diode, possibly installing one might cure this ailment.

p_o_s => Was your card an older 1950 or one of the newer designs?

I just find it ridiculous that a $250+ card doesn't have monitoring capability through 3rd party software. Anyhow, I figured it has to have at least one sensor in the GPU based on the fan chart in the BIOS. I had used RaBit to change that table to something I'm happier with, and re-flashed the BIOS. I've managed to finally achieve a steady OC of 601/750 (it was beta 0.27b2 causing problems) - but I'm not willing to push it any higher with only the stock cooler, especially not knowing the exact temps - I'm going to look into a better cooling solution for it as soon as I can afford it.

This weekend I'm going to try and mod an air duct from one of my case's 60mm intake fans to the fan on the card . . . I'm going to take before/after temps with an IR gun on it if it works out alright.

[p_o_s_pc]

I think it was the newer one.

[imperialreign]

it looked similar to my card, then - at least as far as hardware layout?

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/prophiseer/X1950_front_back.jpg

[p_o_s_pc]

I am not sure it had the HIS ICE-Q3 on it so it blocked alot of stuff. From what i see it looks like it is close.

[imperialreign]

From what all I've picked up, then - it seems that all the X1950 PRO's that DON'T look exactly like mine have hardware monitoring, ATi, VisionTek, DiamondMedia, and a couple others . . . so the HIS, Sapphire, etc. do . . .


:wtf:

[p_o_s_pc]

From what all I've picked up, then - it seems that all the X1950 PRO's that DON'T look exactly like mine have hardware monitoring, ATi, VisionTek, DiamondMedia, and a couple others . . . so the HIS, Sapphire, etc. do . . .


:wtf:

My HIS did.

[tkpenalty]

ICEQIII Model uses standard PCB, my one uses the standard PCB. Maybe you're just unlucky :P.

[p_o_s_pc]

ICEQIII Model uses standard PCB, my one uses the standard PCB. Maybe you're just unlucky :P.

What? i know i didn't get luck i had a 2 week card life :banghead:

[insider]

V2 is too heavy. Unless you dont mind about your PCB flexing. Then get it. The accelero isnt an angel exactly but the plastic shroud keeps the PCB stiff.

Actually the V2 is only 290g plus the weight of a fan, it's lighter than all the other Thermalright VGA sinks, the HR-03 for example is 410g without the fan, not exactly "heavy".

[Darknova]

Yeah, they aren't heavy, it's just the mounting mechanism that's a pain. My dad's V1 bent his PCB....still useable, but a pain to get in and out of the PCI-E slot now...you have to be really careful not to over-tighten, but at the same time get a nice firm contact...

[tkpenalty]

ur dad must have been lucky to not break the BGA solder balls... or he broke the Ground pin ones. But yeah... thats one problem.

[insider]

The mounting system is not the problem, the user that is installing it is, of course it could crack the components first if you over tighten it, it's just far easier to do than people realise.

FYI I modded the Arctic accelero with 2x 80mm fans (over 80CFM in total), I added a 39CFM 80mm Vantec fan.

Weight is around 390g~ in total for the Arctic X2 plus the 2x 80mm fans and the load temps with ATI-Tool artifact scanner running is around 62C, pretty good compared to 66C with the YS tech 80mm + low noise 60mm Panaflo (under same ambient room temps).

Damn thing keeps getting better with more CFM added to the X2, I'll post pics up when I have the time later. :D

[Darknova]

ur dad must have been lucky to not break the BGA solder balls... or he broke the Ground pin ones. But yeah... thats one problem.

As I've said, nothing's wrong with it, it works perfectly. But if you look at it from the bottom, you notice that the connector curves. I loosened it but it still curves although not as bad as it did.

[tkpenalty]

rofl... dont think about "unbending it". You WILL do more damage.

[Darknova]

I didn't lol. It's pretty much stuck in his PC. I won't let him remove it until he agrees to pay for a new one :P

[Craigleberry]

you wouldn't want windows XP SP2 OEM my gigabyte mobo and x2 4600+ would you?...
O wait didn't u say you ordered a C2D? If you did than i am sure you don't want my AMD.

No thanks . At least later all I will need is a nice Mobo and PCI-e card and will be good to go. Then with all of the spare parts AGP and P4 I will be able to build a second system.:nutkick:
Perhaps I will give Vista a try aswell.

[tkpenalty]

Forget about vista... performance is the least of my worries, but the fact that the drivers are somewhat unstable and that you would need more RAM makes it less desireable.

[Craigleberry]

Forget about vista... performance is the least of my worries, but the fact that the drivers are somewhat unstable and that you would need more RAM makes it less desireable.

You mean to say they still havnt got their shit together..... crikey how long is it gonna take?

Prolly as long as it took xp to get to the stable stage lol. I have 2 gig of RAM is that not enough?:banghead:

[Wile E]

You mean to say they still havnt got their shit together..... crikey how long is it gonna take?

Prolly as long as it took xp to get to the stable stage lol. I have 2 gig of RAM is that not enough?:banghead:2GB is enough. Vista didn't render any of my games unplayable or anything, even before I had the 2900, I had an 1800XT, and didn't have to change any of my in game settings. Vista also utilizes multiple cores better.

[tkpenalty]

2GB is enough. Vista didn't render any of my games unplayable or anything, even before I had the 2900, I had an 1800XT, and didn't have to change any of my in game settings. Vista also utilizes multiple cores better.

Agreed. Anyway, check the first page of the clubhouse, I fixed some bugs and added some more info. Who agrees that is the LONGEST POST IN TPU :)

[erocker]

My info on the first page is wrong. The picture and message pertaining to the picture are also incorrect. The card is in my HTPC case (which is a cheap black case) and there are no cables to be seen. (That pic was taken with my skt754 setup in a Antec 900!) The clocks are stock @ 621 /742. I'm actually using the PC at the moment considering my 8800 system is down due to a video card trade-in. I still prefer playing BF2142 with my x1950pro because it supports better resolutions. Can't wait untill ATi hopefully has something to replace my 8800. Still hate Nvidia.

[tkpenalty]

HD2900XT is a viable option, with the newer drivers its actually getting better :). I would wait though, wait for a newer model that has a die shrink so it wont run so hot.

[Wile E]

Update to my specs. I'm running at 847/999. Picture to follow. Finally got the camera back. lol. Have to go grab it.

[erocker]

HD2900XT is a viable option, with the newer drivers its actually getting better :). I would wait though, wait for a newer model that has a die shrink so it wont run so hot.

My thoughts exactly.

[tkpenalty]

Update to my specs. I'm running at 847/999. Picture to follow. Finally got the camera back. lol. Have to go grab it.

Hmm, if you can, record how the HD2900XT sounds, rev the thing up, etc.

[Wile E]

Hmm, if you can, record how the HD2900XT sounds, rev the thing up, etc.I actually don't have anything that will record the sounds. No mic on the computer or camera. :(

[Wile E]

Finally, got a photo.
http://img.techpowerup.org/070812/WileE2900.jpg

[tkpenalty]

Nice mobo man :) First time i've seen a neat stacker :D.

Anyway, your pic WONT be linked, it will have the image tags instead. Its good though that you are running the HD2900XT in that case though... ill be running the HD2900XT in a SOLO >.>

EDIT: That backplate looks uber cool

[Wile E]

Nice mobo man :) First time i've seen a neat stacker :D.

Anyway, your pic WONT be linked, it will have the image tags instead. Its good though that you are running the HD2900XT in that case though... ill be running the HD2900XT in a SOLO >.>

EDIT: That backplate looks uber cool
Thanx, it was a lot of work to get it that clean, and I'm still not happy with it. lol. I need to get a dremel to put some holes in the mobo tray.

[tkpenalty]

Lol... I thought that spot cool was the CPU fan haha... I like that design though. Anyway. Dremel where the 24 pin is, to fit the IDE and 24 pin through, making sure there is only 1cm of a hole that you can see (less). One hole under where the top ram clips are. You see your fan cable for the rear outake? Check my P4SBeholder in the case gallery... route the wire in between the rear IO and the HD2900XT XT... there should be a small gap. Then wire the wire through the hole that you will dremel there.

For the front IO... ur sorta fucked.... yes I said that, the wires are too chunky. Only solution is to dremel a huge hole then shove the wires through them, then drill another one so you can route it to the front panel.

For your HD2900XT, the PCI-E Wires should be routed under the mobo, from there then just go through the hole under where the ram clips are as I said earlier. Thats one less task needed.

[Wile E]

Lol... I thought that spot cool was the CPU fan haha... I like that design though. Anyway. Dremel where the 24 pin is, to fit the IDE and 24 pin through, making sure there is only 1cm of a hole that you can see (less). One hole under where the top ram clips are. You see your fan cable for the rear outake? Check my P4SBeholder in the case gallery... route the wire in between the rear IO and the HD2900XT XT... there should be a small gap. Then wire the wire through the hole that you will dremel there.

For the front IO... ur sorta fucked.... yes I said that, the wires are too chunky. Only solution is to dremel a huge hole then shove the wires through them, then drill another one so you can route it to the front panel.

For your HD2900XT, the PCI-E Wires should be routed under the mobo, from there then just go through the hole under where the ram clips are as I said earlier. Thats one less task needed.Pretty much my plans, but I'm gonna go a lot further with the holes, and pretty much remove all the material under the mobo, but leave enough to still have the mounting holes, obviously. lol It will basically look like a grid.

For the exhaust fan, are you talking about the black wires? If so, that's the extra power for my GFX lanes. If you look closely, there's the black cable, then the fan cable intersects it, and plugs directly into the header. The slack in the rear fan's wire is wrapped around the fan itself. There's no gap between my vga and i/o plate, anyway.

I also think I have enough length on the front panel cables, to be able to cut a hole in the side of the drive cage, and run it under the mobo.

[tkpenalty]

No i'll show you a picture.

http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/800/__2.jpg

Look at that rear outtake... look at the wire, You basically have to do this before you install the motherboard and GPU. The GPU serves as the vertical retention.

http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/800/__1.jpg

Damn I need images of it having a 9800PRO...

[Wile E]

No i'll show you a picture.

http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/800/__2.jpg

Look at that rear outtake... look at the wire, You basically have to do this before you install the motherboard and GPU. The GPU serves as the vertical retention.

http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/800/__1.jpg

Damn I need images of it having a 9800PRO...OK, I see. It doesn't matter tho. I made a quick paint edit to show you what I mean, cause it's kinda hard to see from the angle I shot it at. Fan wires are red, extra PCIe bus power in blue.

http://img.techpowerup.org/070812/WileE2900b.jpg

[Darknova]

Aww, I wish I could get mine as tidy as you guys....it's a hell of a lot tidier than it was...but I'm still not entirely happy with it.

[Wile E]

Aww, I wish I could get mine as tidy as you guys....it's a hell of a lot tidier than it was...but I'm still not entirely happy with it.Don't fret. I won't be happy with mine until I can match sladesurfer or tk. lol

[Darknova]

Don't fret. I won't be happy with mine until I can match sladesurfer or tk. lol

Mine doesn't even stand up to yours :(

[imperialreign]

I think mines probably worse :laugh:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/prophiseer/my_rig.jpg


Like how I've got the P4 power cable sandwiched between the PSU and the CPU cooler?!

Those darm IDE cables, and I don't have the space behind the mobo to hide stuffz - meh, I just need a bigger case

[Darknova]

Lol yeah, atleast I can hide my cables behind the HDD cage...just can't get them off the floor of the case....no mobo tray to hide behind either :(

[imperialreign]

same here . . . I wish I could relocate the HDD's, but . . . mATX case is kinda lacking in relocatability.


But, soon as I can upgrade to a better mobo, I'll have to get a new case. I'd prefer to get away from the mATX architecture.

[Wile E]

same here . . . I wish I could relocate the HDD's, but . . . mATX case is kinda lacking in relocatability.


But, soon as I can upgrade to a better mobo, I'll have to get a new case. I'd prefer to get away from the mATX architecture.Get a Stacker 830/832 like me. lol. It's huge, absolutely dwarfs my ATX mobo. Makes it look like a mATX. lol

[Craigleberry]

I think mines probably worse :laugh:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/prophiseer/my_rig.jpg


Like how I've got the P4 power cable sandwiched between the PSU and the CPU cooler?!

Those darm IDE cables, and I don't have the space behind the mobo to hide stuffz - meh, I just need a bigger case
Almost as messy as my desk lol

[Craigleberry]

http://img.techpowerup.org/070813/Messy desk504.jpg:eek:

[p_o_s_pc]

doesn't your computer get hot in there?

[imperialreign]

wooden insulation is teh bes!!

y'know, I'm surprised my system doesn't get too hot at all considering how cluttered it is in the case. CPU never breaks 39C, mobo is usually right around 40C. Ambient in the case tends to be anywhere between 45-50C, depending on how hard everything is running.

[p_o_s_pc]

If i was to put mine in something like that it would overheat faster than you know what is going on.It already gets too hot in the wide open and my case is neat on the inside.Click evil spider man in my sig and you will see.BTW the fan is sucking the hot air out in the back and there is a front fan.

[tkpenalty]

Don't fret. I won't be happy with mine until I can match sladesurfer or tk. lol

XD... Ahh... at least you got some inspiration :)

[Craigleberry]

The front has a 120mm fan and it also has 2 80mm fans on the side and one 120mm on the rear soon. It dosnt get hot.
CPU sits 37-39 all day long and mobo is sitting on 35

[tkpenalty]

I would still upgrade the processor Cragleberry, and what happened to your post count?

[Craigleberry]

I am replacing the CPU soon with C2D. Have no idea what is going on with the post count?

[tkpenalty]

same here . . . I wish I could relocate the HDD's, but . . . mATX case is kinda lacking in relocatability.


But, soon as I can upgrade to a better mobo, I'll have to get a new case. I'd prefer to get away from the mATX architecture.

Its not that bad man... I would only upgrade that GPU cooler though. It looks fine, very neat. I would replace that P4 as well...

[p_o_s_pc]

tkpenalty you have a C2D and your sig says support AMD...

[imperialreign]

Its not that bad man... I would only upgrade that GPU cooler though. It looks fine, very neat. I would replace that P4 as well...

I'm gonna rig up an air duct from the 60mm fan on the side of my case to the top of the fan on the GPU - with 2 fans blowing the same direction, that should be a whole lot more airflow across that cooler. Something to hold me off until I can afford a new cooler or just switch over to liquid cooling . . .

But yeah, as soon as I have the extra money saved up, I'm gonna do some more upgrading . . . so far, my plan of attack is to upgrade the case and mobo - to something that will support Crossfire and an Intel Core 2 Duo (or an Extreme), so that way I can keep running this P(os)4 until I can afford the new CPU, hopefully get some more tweakability out of it. Next up will be a cooler for the GPU, and I'll prob go to liquid cooling at that point.

Then I'll be looking to get a coupla new HDDs and get away from those ancient IDE cables.

[Craigleberry]

MMM IDE Cables.
Gotta get SATA easier to hide the cables. I am not going to bother even with cable managment until I get my C2D. Then I will attempt it. Prolly wont look as good as tk's rig but.

[p_o_s_pc]

damn TK has good WM... I can't get mine that good i have tried everything but cut holes in my case maybe one day i will.

[tkpenalty]

I'm gonna rig up an air duct from the 60mm fan on the side of my case to the top of the fan on the GPU - with 2 fans blowing the same direction, that should be a whole lot more airflow across that cooler. Something to hold me off until I can afford a new cooler or just switch over to liquid cooling . . .

But yeah, as soon as I have the extra money saved up, I'm gonna do some more upgrading . . . so far, my plan of attack is to upgrade the case and mobo - to something that will support Crossfire and an Intel Core 2 Duo (or an Extreme), so that way I can keep running this P(os)4 until I can afford the new CPU, hopefully get some more tweakability out of it. Next up will be a cooler for the GPU, and I'll prob go to liquid cooling at that point.

Then I'll be looking to get a coupla new HDDs and get away from those ancient IDE cables.

While you are at it, grab yourself a VF700CU or a VF900CU for the GPU.

[p_o_s_pc]

MMM IDE Cables.
Gotta get SATA easier to hide the cables. I am not going to bother even with cable managment until I get my C2D. Then I will attempt it. Prolly wont look as good as tk's rig but.

Why do you have a HDD on the bottom of the case?

[tkpenalty]

You will not believe this, but the image quality is even better atm... GET 7.8 DRIVERS ASAP!

[mitsirfishi]

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/3788/cimg5378vw8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot with QV-R61 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=QV-R61&make=CASIO+COMPUTER+CO.%2CLTD) at 2007-08-14

getting ready to test forgot to include other crossfire bridge ;P test bed my ASUS eax x1950pro running 620/1400(memory wont budge) :( and my beasty HIS X1950pRo at 655/1552 still trying to find a bios where it will let me raise vcore

[tkpenalty]

Looks pretty cool :). I've been planning to get another X1950PRO but i've scrapped that idea...

[mitsirfishi]

it was only 75quid for another card so ill take a chance ^^

[tkpenalty]

Cool man! Anyway...

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: CLUBHOUSE IS NOW THE X1k-HD2k CLUBHOUSE, X1xxx GPU USERS MAY NOW JOIN.

Yes I'm expanding the club :), as it WILL help a lot.

[Urlyin]

http://img.techpowerup.org/070813/Messy desk504.jpg:eek:

MOMO FTW !!! :rockout:

[tkpenalty]

Momo...? lol.

Anyway guys with X1k GPUs, if you want to join, tell me.

[p_o_s_pc]

Could anyone that has a 2600xt give some benchmarks?

[p_o_s_pc]

you can use 2 different brands with xfire... I just learned some thing new.

[Darknova]

Well I upgraded to 7.8, and they rock. I've only tested it in CSS, but I'm getting 20fps increase with full HDR which is astonishing tbh.

Think I'm going to reinstall Oblivion and have a look :)

[imperialreign]

http://img.techpowerup.org/070813/Messy%20desk504.jpg


ha! I just noticed the pic on the monitor is the innards of my rig :laugh:


Well, my "idea" to rig up a fan duct to my card has gone kaput - not enough space in between the card and the X-Fi, so . . . until I can afford the upgrade to an aftermarket unit, if anyone has a factory dual-slot leaf-blower coolers off an XTX or something they no longer want :p



yeah, I noticed the 7.8's are a really great release, too :rockout:

[p_o_s_pc]

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100530552
that should keep it cool :p and not a bad price

[imperialreign]

:roll:

It's elextric too! Maybe I can mod the PSU to power it :laugh:

[p_o_s_pc]

:roll:

It's elextric too! Maybe I can mod the PSU to power it :laugh:

good luck with that.:toast:

[tkpenalty]

Please stop using this thread to beg, it is getting somewhat annoying. Anyway, imperialreign, as I said, grab yourself an AcceleroX2.

[imperialreign]

Please stop using this thread to beg, it is getting somewhat annoying. Anyway, imperialreign, as I said, grab yourself an AcceleroX2.


. . . sorry bout that last post, it was more joking around than anything else.

Seeing as how the AX2 isn't too expensive at all, I'll prob pick one up at the beginning of Sep - I need to check the height specs of it though to how much space I have available between the PCIe and the PCI slot.

Hey, is there anything else I should be aware of on my card with swapping to that cooler? And would you recommend leaving the copper heatsink on the back of the card - I mean, it shouldn't interfere with the AX2, right?

[p_o_s_pc]

Please stop using this thread to beg, it is getting somewhat annoying. Anyway, imperialreign, as I said, grab yourself an AcceleroX2.

sorry i will stop...

[Craigleberry]

ha! I just noticed the pic on the monitor is the innards of my rig :laugh:


Well, my "idea" to rig up a fan duct to my card has gone kaput - not enough space in between the card and the X-Fi, so . . . until I can afford the upgrade to an aftermarket unit, if anyone has a factory dual-slot leaf-blower coolers off an XTX or something they no longer want :p



yeah, I noticed the 7.8's are a really great release, too :rockout:

Yep thats the one. I will upload new photo of rig in a tick just gotta fit the 120mm fan into it.:rockout:

[Craigleberry]

Well I upgraded to 7.8, and they rock. I've only tested it in CSS, but I'm getting 20fps increase with full HDR which is astonishing tbh.

Think I'm going to reinstall Oblivion and have a look :)

I just tried installing the 7.8 drivers and cannot get over a 4 bit desktop?? WTF:banghead:
So I have uninstalled can someone help me out with the right driver for my HIS AGP X1950 Pro ICEQ3 Turbo ATi card cheers:rockout:

[tkpenalty]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/992.html

Give me better votes guys (shudders in anger).

[p_o_s_pc]

i voted...you can do the same for me if you haven't. I like that WM it is still the best i have seen
BTW i am NOT begging for your vote or anyones.

[Craigleberry]

I voted just then. After installing these drivers I cannot get a desktop that is above 4bit and it will not let me change it WTF

[tkpenalty]

AGP X1950PROs die with 7.8... Switch back to 7.6's.

[tkpenalty]

i voted...you can do the same for me if you haven't. I like that WM it is still the best i have seen
BTW i am NOT begging for your vote or anyones.

I gave you an 8 :toast:

[p_o_s_pc]

Thanks
BTW i gave you a 7

[tkpenalty]

Thanks
BTW i gave you a 7

:cry:

[Craigleberry]

Thanks Tk I will get the ati tool and see what I get..... I got 13993 marks with 3dmark03
Cant wait to see the difference when i got the c2d

[Urlyin]

Momo...? lol.

Anyway guys with X1k GPUs, if you want to join, tell me.

The Logitech steering wheel ...

[p_o_s_pc]

:cry:

I would have given you higher if you had some good lighting and a window.

[tkpenalty]

Who keeps giving me a 4... (I redid the thing cause the case gallery stuffed my images up)

http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/994/__1.jpg

[Craigleberry]

The Logitech steering wheel ...

Its not a bad wheel shouldve spent a bit more and got the g-25:rockout:

[imperialreign]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/992.html

Give me better votes guys (shudders in anger).


can't vote - that link keeps popping a page saying "Invalid Case ID"

[Craigleberry]

Same here invalid case id

[Craigleberry]

:rockout:http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100530552
that should keep it cool :p and not a bad price

Funny bugger aint ya.:D

[p_o_s_pc]

Funny bugger aint ya.:D

:laugh: i can be. :D :toast:

[Craigleberry]

lol

[Craigleberry]

She runs good now with the 120mm fan.... maybee I might have to get a bigger desk come summer time to assist the cooling factor but for now shes all good.

[p_o_s_pc]

good to hear :)

[imperialreign]

meh. . . just go to the hardware store and get a ton of the flexible ductwork, and run a duct from your central heating/cooling system right into the front of the case. Crank your thermostat down to like . . . 60F, and see how cool you can get that case to roll!

[p_o_s_pc]

That would be good if you were doing some high ocing without LN2(or what ever it is)

[imperialreign]

hmmm, liquid Nitrogen is for n00bs - if you want teh reelz k001ing, you gotta use liquid oxygen


:D

[p_o_s_pc]

hmmm, liquid Nitrogen is for n00bs - if you want teh reelz k001ing, you gotta use liquid oxygen


:D

ok...... :wtf: I don't even think that is possible....the closest thing i can think of would be water.

[imperialreign]

Liquid O2 is very similar to LN2, although has a lower freezing point and could 'theorheticly' operate at a lower temp than LN2.

[p_o_s_pc]

I learned something new and i am not even in school(will be in 5 days. :( )

[imperialreign]

I learned something new and i am not even in school(will be in 5 days. )

same here, and not looking forward to it, honestly. Along with working full time, I'll also be a full time student again this semester, and I hvae to take all higher level classes :ohwell:

[p_o_s_pc]

never mind on what was here before i am just going to have to work on my cooling first before i buy something i don't need and just want.

[Wile E]

never mind on what was here before i am just going to have to work on my cooling first before i buy something i don't need and just want.Well, if you change your mind, an X1800XL with an aftermarket cooler generally does very well. If you can find one, that is.

[p_o_s_pc]

Thanks i will keep that in mind.

[Craigleberry]

I just hate gettin up at 4am for work

[imperialreign]

anyone know if an Visiontek X1300 PRO is xFire capable with an x1950 PRO?

I get the feeling not, huh? (wondering cause I got the 1300 for free :D)

[Craigleberry]

I doubt it. But it is good that you got it for free that rarely happens.

[tkpenalty]

No. Keep dreaming :p

[p_o_s_pc]

anyone know if an Visiontek X1300 PRO is xFire capable with an x1950 PRO?

I get the feeling not, huh? (wondering cause I got the 1300 for free :D)

no you can only cross fire the same GPU x1950pro with x1950pro or xt i think.If you could it would down clock the x1950 to the x1300 speed i think but i am not sure.

[Namslas90]

Here's a link to the XFire compatability chart;

http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/howitworks.html

:toast:

[imperialreign]

yeah, I didn't think it was possible, even in software mode . . .

oh well - still can't beat a decent free card, though :D

[mitsirfishi]

only case of different cards ive seen is a 7600gs and a 7300gt combined in sli but i should be talking about the x series ;P end of next week ill be posting some x1950pro crossfire benchmarks when i get my new psu and another set of crossfire bridges lost one of mine :( *daft sod* wish me the best in my quest to try and set highest score on a set of x1950's on a amd on air ;) beat a conroe if luck is on my side :P any drivers which are good for 3dmark aswell as general game performance ? hoping to achive 8.5-9k in 06 17k in 05 and 27-28k in 03 ill keep you guys informed on updates and suisidal test :D both cards will be running 650core memory one at 1552 other 1400 as its a gay card :p

[imperialreign]

speaking of crossfire - I've heard rumor here and there that's it's possible to rig up more than just two same family ATi's in one crossfire mode, like 3+ all hooked together. Is this true or just a rumor?

[Craigleberry]

http://www.pcper.com/archive.php?page=4&year=2006&month=6
Check this out sick as but power hungry.

[tkpenalty]

Meh, redundant. Its a gimmick itself at the moment, extremely unweildy imho.

[Craigleberry]

Meh, redundant. Its a gimmick itself at the moment, extremely unweildy imho.

Extremely costly anyway:toast:

[imperialreign]

so it is possible then, and not just a rumor - cool! Although, I can't imagine you'd be in need of that much GPU firepower. I had thought, though, that for more than 2 cards they all still had to be linked through the xfire cables - but I guess not.

Outta curiosity, is nVidia's SLI capability able to compete with that? I'm fairly certain SLI can only pull off only two card . . .

[tkpenalty]

No imprerialreign, one card is doing physics calculations. WHO JUST GAVE THIS CLUBHOUSE A 1? (If i find out who you are, prepare to get slammed)

[Craigleberry]

Can you take a look at this for me please
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=38152:eek:
Please

[p_o_s_pc]

No imprerialreign, one card is doing physics calculations. WHO JUST GAVE THIS CLUBHOUSE A 1? (If i find out who you are, prepare to get slammed)

it was n't me :D

[imperialreign]

No imprerialreign, one card is doing physics calculations.

Sorry mis-read aht was written on that other page! :o


WHO JUST GAVE THIS CLUBHOUSE A 1? (If i find out who you are, prepare to get slammed)

Defi not I - y'all been way too helpful to me for such a bad mark!

[Craigleberry]

No imprerialreign, one card is doing physics calculations. WHO JUST GAVE THIS CLUBHOUSE A 1? (If i find out who you are, prepare to get slammed)

I havnt voted for this but I will and it wont be a 1. My vote will be signifigantly higher.:rockout:

[p_o_s_pc]

i wouldn't give it a 1 you people have put up with me for some time now so there would be no way in hell i would give a 1.I don't remember if i voted or not yet but i sure as hell know it wasn't a 1.If i didn't vote i will soon.
me:nutkick: person that gave 1

[tkpenalty]

Oh yeah, all you guys, grab the signatures if possible. I'll put you guys within the "Clubhouse Regular"

[Craigleberry]

Oh yeah, all you guys, grab the signatures if possible. I'll put you guys within the "Clubhouse Regular"

Cheers tk, I am building my new rig on paper
So far
MSI P965 motherboard
E6750 CPU
2GB Geil DDR2 800
Palit ATI HD2900 XT

Howz it look so far

[Darknova]

Cheers tk, I am building my new rig on paper
So far
MSI P965 motherboard
E6750 CPU
2GB Geil DDR2 800
Palit ATI HD2900 XT

Howz it look so far

Not bad mate. Kinda similar to mine.

E6850
Abit IP35 Pro
2Gb Crucial Ballistix

and I'm going to keep my 1950XT for the moment lol.

Hopefully when I get paid I'll be able to afford it :)

[Craigleberry]

I wasnt planning a full build I was just gonna get a c2d
But my HIS X1950 Pro is dead by the look of it so I will use it as an excuse to build a new rig.
Bloody expensive but at least this next one will last a while

[Darknova]

I don't think your board would support C2D. So you could just get the mobo, CPU and memory, and then wait a while to see how the graphics card market goes.

EDIT: Hah, missed that about your card being dead :P

I'd just buy another cheap Pro, then save up for a high-end one once ATi gets its ass in gear.

[Craigleberry]

I don't think your board would support C2D. So you could just get the mobo, CPU and memory, and then wait a while to see how the graphics card market goes.

EDIT: Hah, missed that about your card being dead :P

I'd just buy another cheap Pro, then save up for a high-end one once ATi gets its ass in gear.

Yep my current board has c2d support only up to 800MHz FSB
Only Has AGP

Bying another Pro would pay for my motherboard.
I will keep on using my onboard untill I have built my new system and then sell my old one.
And when my HIS X1950 has been replaced or repaired I will sell that aswell.

[Darknova]

Yep my current board has c2d support only up to 800MHz FSB
Only Has AGP

Bying another Pro would pay for my motherboard.
I will keep on using my onboard untill I have built my new system and then sell my old one.
And when my HIS X1950 has been replaced or repaired I will sell that aswell.

Ah, AGP....yeah, better off with a full overhaul.

[Craigleberry]

Ah, AGP....yeah, better off with a full overhaul.

What You said;)

[Darknova]

Sorry, i meant asap. Instead of buying stuff to "tide you over" so to speak.

[Craigleberry]

It is sure gonna suck while I buy 1 component a week untill finish and then it will take a couple weeks to save for the graphics card. No gaming for me for a while. Maybe I can try to beat tk's cable management! I will have plenty of time lol

[imperialreign]

If you're looking for another PRO, keep your eyes open - there always some deal or another for the buggars. I got mine for $169 brand new in store :toast:

Oh yeah, all you guys, grab the signatures if possible.

Damn, that reminds me . . . I knew I've been forgetting to do something with Photoshop!

[Craigleberry]

If you're looking for another PRO, keep your eyes open - there always some deal or another for the buggars. I got mine for $169 brand new in store :toast:



Damn, that reminds me . . . I knew I've been forgetting to do something with Photoshop!

That sort of would defeat the purpose of doing what I am doing as I would then be stuck with DX9:rockout:

[Craigleberry]

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd145/Craigleberry/ICEQ.jpgI cannot work out how to make the sig pic work sorry for the double post

[Sovereign]

I think you need to revise your HD2600XT GDDR4 assesment. I am now the proud owner of one of the most powerfull HD2600XT's on the market atm. The MSI HD2600XT GDDR4 Diamond OC Edition which runs @ 850MHz Core and 2300MHz Memory. I also got it for less than $130 (which will ultimately be around $110 after MIR) shipped, brand new of course. For the price and the speed bump the new Cat 7.8s give the HDs, this card is definitely a better bargin these days! And to think I was just about to drop $150ish for a new 8600GTS or possibly even a HiS X1950PRO...

[p_o_s_pc]

could you give some ss of benchmarks? If you don't want to post them here PM me with them please.

[Sovereign]

could you give some ss of benchmarks? If you don't want to post them here PM me with them please.

No problem! I'm going out of town in a few hours and won't be back until monday afternoon so I'll probably get crackin on some benchmarks in the evening after i've had a chance to recouporate a bit. They'll probably be submitted to TPU's hwbot team as well so I can help out a little futher there.

ATM, if I were to make a semi educational guess at a score, I'd say around 6k + in 3DMark06 with current specs, MCE'05 and Cat 7.8s.

[tkpenalty]

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd145/Craigleberry/ICEQ.jpgI cannot work out how to make the sig pic work sorry for the double post

Get rid of that :wtf: emote.

[tkpenalty]

Cheers tk, I am building my new rig on paper
So far
MSI P965 motherboard
E6750 CPU
2GB Geil DDR2 800
Palit ATI HD2900 XT

Howz it look so far


Screw that MSI, if you live near MSY, go find yourself a Gigabyte GAP35 DS3P. CPU, i would go for a Q6600 Instead, seeing how it should be useful very soon, RAM, heard of Samsung PC8500 DDR1066 which costs half the prince? With the GPU, i can say anything about it since all HD2900XTs are the same.

Core 2 Quad Q6600
Gigabyte GA P35 DS3P
2x1GB DDR1066 Samsung (badged as Generic for some odd reason, reason why this, is because you KNOW it can do DDR1066)
Palit HD2900XT

[tkpenalty]

I think you need to revise your HD2600XT GDDR4 assesment. I am now the proud owner of one of the most powerfull HD2600XT's on the market atm. The MSI HD2600XT GDDR4 Diamond OC Edition which runs @ 850MHz Core and 2300MHz Memory. I also got it for less than $130 (which will ultimately be around $110 after MIR) shipped, brand new of course. For the price and the speed bump the new Cat 7.8s give the HDs, this card is definitely a better bargin these days! And to think I was just about to drop $150ish for a new 8600GTS or possibly even a HiS X1950PRO...

Haha.... good man. Problem is that you'd have to clock the ROPs to an insane clockspeed to remove that bottleneck. Give me figures of performance in games like NFS: C or something. 3D Marks doesnt mean anything these days. If it is possible, clock the Core as high as possible, the memory does not really matter, I'm aiming at getting the pipelines running as fast as possible.

[insider]

Still 128-bit memory bus, DDR4 regardless of what speed it's running at makes little difference due to the bus bandwidth bottleneck.

[Craigleberry]

Get rid of that :wtf: emote.

Crickey how sill am I:laugh:
Cheers tk
[Quote]Screw that MSI, if you live near MSY, go find yourself a Gigabyte GAP35 DS3P. CPU, i would go for a Q6600 Instead, seeing how it should be useful very soon, RAM, heard of Samsung PC8500 DDR1066 which costs half the prince? With the GPU, i can say anything about it since all HD2900XTs are the same.

Core 2 Quad Q6600
Gigabyte GA P35 DS3P
2x1GB DDR1066 Samsung (badged as Generic for some odd reason, reason why this, is because you KNOW it can do DDR1066)
Palit HD2900XT[QUOTE]

Thats the kind of critiscism I am looking for that board looks good.

[p_o_s_pc]

can anyone make me a sig of a HIS X1950 pro turbo ICE-Q III PCI-E x16 and put RIP? That is a good idea for a sig Craigleberry

[Craigleberry]

can anyone make me a sig of a HIS X1950 pro turbo ICE-Q III PCI-E x16 and put RIP? That is a good idea for a sig Craigleberry

lol Mine really is dead yo

[p_o_s_pc]

mine only lasted 2 weeks so i feel your pain bro.

[Craigleberry]

mine only lasted 2 weeks so i feel your pain bro.

Its just crap almost makes me wanna get a nvidia as I never had 1 problem with any of the nvidia stuff.
I will check out the 800 MHz Ram aswell
Thanks Wile E

[Wile E]

Cheers tk, I am building my new rig on paper
So far
MSI P965 motherboard
E6750 CPU
2GB Geil DDR2 800
Palit ATI HD2900 XT

Howz it look so farI think you should go for Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800. They're D9's and mine hit 1200Mhz. Oh, and they're priced really well, too.

[Craigleberry]

Tk changed my mind on the board as it is only 50 bucks more than i would pay for the msi but so much better.. With the ram I might go with geil 2gb ddr2 800MHz for now nice and cheap.
Crickey this rig is gonna cost a heap
I can get Q6600 for 350 tk is that good??

[p_o_s_pc]

If your lucky the you will get the Geil RAM that has D9's.There are some of them that do there are others that don't

[p_o_s_pc]

Its just crap almost makes me wanna get a nvidia as I never had 1 problem with any of the nvidia stuff.
I will check out the 800 MHz Ram aswell
Thanks Wile E

Why do you think i went with nvidia my first time ever using ATI and it craps out on me in 2 weeks when i had a cheap azz nvidia that i had overclocked 100% on the mem and 85% on the core.(with extra voltage and cooling) that has been a long time but it did die on me it started to smoke one day when running 3dmark 06

[Craigleberry]

If your lucky the you will get the Geil RAM that has D9's.There are some of them that do there are others that don't

Dosnt matter as long as it works for now....
I already have 2 of the elixer 667 DDR2 That may do untill I can get better.
With all of the spare parts I have from this and my last rig I may have a sale:)

[Craigleberry]

Wile E What did you do to your card?

[p_o_s_pc]

Dosnt matter as long as it works for now....
I already have 2 of the elixer 667 DDR2 That may do untill I can get better.
With all of the spare parts I have from this and my last rig I may have a sale:)

if you want to sell anything than PM me with the link to the FS thread.:toast:

[Wile E]

Wile E What did you do to your card?What do you mean?


EDIT: NM, I see it on the front page. Click the link in my sig to find out. lol. Card might still be ok, but I have to test it yet.

[p_o_s_pc]

I will test the card for u Wile e if you send me the card and pay for me to send it back to you. :)

[Wile E]

I will test the card for u Wile e if you send me the card and pay for me to send it back to you. :)
lol. Nah, I'll be able to test it on Tuesday, when I buy my 6000+ and DFI back, that you see pictured on page 1.

[p_o_s_pc]

can't blame me for try n can u? I would like to see how a 2900xt does with a 4600+ oced to 2.8ghz
keep us updated on if it works or not.

[Wile E]

can't blame me for try n can u? I would like to see how a 2900xt does with a 4600+ oced to 2.8ghz
keep us updated on if it works or not.Nope, can't blame you. It was worth a shot. lol. With my older Brisbane at 2.8, it would still play anything I threw at it maxed out @ 1440x900.

[p_o_s_pc]

thanks for the info.The 2600xt is starting to look good to me.

[Craigleberry]

What do you mean?


EDIT: NM, I see it on the front page. Click the link in my sig to find out. lol. Card might still be ok, but I have to test it yet.

Talk about snap crackle pop!
Hey can anyone tell me what the jumpers are for??
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd145/Craigleberry/wtf.jpg

[Wile E]

Talk about snap crckle poplol. Yeah. And you thought your card dying so quickly was bad, huh? :roll:

[Craigleberry]

Yep this is a costly addiction :)