Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

[tkpenalty]

The Jumper is for the PAL/NTSC setting, it has nothing to do with your dead X1950PRO... Anyway, i find it curious that so many X1950PRO users with the HIS models have faliures... wtf?

[Craigleberry]

The Jumper is for the PAL/NTSC setting, it has nothing to do with your dead X1950PRO... Anyway, i find it curious that so many X1950PRO users with the HIS models have faliures... wtf?


Hey tk speaking of failure I inserted the card back into the board and connected via the analog dongle and away she goes but I cannot get the drivers to work ie

The desktop has missing icons and using windows explorer with missing buttons.
I do not realy know weather its coz the card now is faulty or something to do with NET 2.0??
I have tried with 7.7 and 7.8 and later will try with 7.6. Will NET 2.0 Cause problems?? with ATI
I have been using add remove
Then rebooting in safe mode running driver sweeper
Then running cc cleaner aswell
Maybee still ATI Stuff on system 32

What could I try now?
Check out my new sig that imperialreign done for me sweet as.

[DOM]

Hey tk speaking of failure I inserted the card back into the board and connected via the analog dongle and away she goes but I cannot get the drivers to work ie

The desktop has missing icons and using windows explorer with missing buttons.
I do not realy know weather its coz the card now is faulty or something to do with NET 2.0??
I have tried with 7.7 and 7.8 and later will try with 7.6. Will NET 2.0 Cause problems?? with ATI
I have been using add remove
Then rebooting in safe mode running driver sweeper
Then running cc cleaner aswell
Maybee still ATI Stuff on system 32

What could I try now?
Check out my new sig that imperialreign done for me sweet as.So its kind of working now ??

Try window update check if your missing anything, use the custom it will show you all the installs and istall them see if that helps

[Craigleberry]

Funny M$ update reckon I needed NET Framework 1.1 so I will get that and check out what happens then

[tkpenalty]

Craigleberry, your GPU is not dead. GO BACK TO 7.6 DRIVERS.

[Craigleberry]

Craigleberry, your GPU is not dead. GO BACK TO 7.6 DRIVERS.

Maybe not dead but may aswell be.
It wont switch on my display with the dvi only with analog.
And I have tried 7.6 7.7 and 7.8 and they all did the same.
I could try re instal O/S to refresh the registry and then start with 7.6 drivers.
That will tell for sure.
But that dosnt explain why it wont turn on my LCD with the DVI

[Wile E]

Maybe not dead but may aswell be.
It wont switch on my display with the dvi only with analog.
And I have tried 7.6 7.7 and 7.8 and they all did the same.
I could try re instal O/S to refresh the registry and then start with 7.6 drivers.
That will tell for sure.
But that dosnt explain why it wont turn on my LCD with the DVIBefore you do all that, did you try a different cable?

[Craigleberry]

How will that fix it?

[tkpenalty]

Um...RMA?

[Craigleberry]

Um...RMA?

Finaly got a reply out of the seller on ebay so its getting sent back tomorrow when it gets there and they find that it is stuffed I will try to get them to send me a pci e version:)
Thanks guys for all of your help

[mitsirfishi]

good luck with the rma hope you get a card back quickly :) what graphics you using now onboard ? :p

[mitsirfishi]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5497058 my asus card decides to clock on the memory now :D

[imperialreign]

just to throw this tidbit 'o information out, Craigle - did you check to make sure your LCD is actually set to DVI? Some LCD's don't intuitively pick up the signal, you've got to hit a switch on the side to force it to change - mine is like that.

Also, with DVI and certain LCD's, it's possible the monitor might not be interpreting the signal properly from the GPU, usually just turning the monitor off and then back on will clear it up.

Don't know if you tried any of that yet or not, but ya never know . . .

[Craigleberry]

just to throw this tidbit 'o information out, Craigle - did you check to make sure your LCD is actually set to DVI? Some LCD's don't intuitively pick up the signal, you've got to hit a switch on the side to force it to change - mine is like that.

Also, with DVI and certain LCD's, it's possible the monitor might not be interpreting the signal properly from the GPU, usually just turning the monitor off and then back on will clear it up.

Don't know if you tried any of that yet or not, but ya never know . . .

Cheers mate, I am coming across as such a noob arnt I. lol
Yes I did try all of that.

[imperialreign]

Cheers mate, I am coming across as such a noob arnt I. lol
Yes I did try all of that.

It's all good man, you know how we can all sometimes forget the simple stuff :toast:

[Wile E]

How will that fix it?Well, if it works with vga, but not DVI, maybe your DVI cable is bad.

[mitsirfishi]

Well, if it works with vga, but not DVI, maybe your DVI cable is bad.

they dont have vga both dvi so as most people use dvi to vga adapters

[t_ski]

PM sent

[Widjaja]

The Jumper is for the PAL/NTSC setting, it has nothing to do with your dead X1950PRO... Anyway, i find it curious that so many X1950PRO users with the HIS models have faliures... wtf?


And yet the reviews on these cards say they are AWSOME!!

Craigleberry
Well I hope your PCI-E RMA card does the job.

If the RMA is bad can you RMA that card aswell or is that it?

[tkpenalty]

Yes, REV.1 cards were awesome but the Rev2 are FAIL. RMA Asap.

[p_o_s_pc]

I was using a HIS x1950pro turbo and it was PCI-E it failed also.It is making me think i don't want to buy HIS when i get a DX10 ATI card. BTW the 2900xt 512mb is on my Xmas list of stuff i want so maybe i will get it. :)

[t_ski]

This issue with the HIS cards, is that limited to the X1950Pros or other cards as well? I never had any kind of trouble with my X1950XTX, and I got it used, too.

[p_o_s_pc]

I would also like to know that.

[imperialreign]

just curious, as I'll prob be ordering a GPU cooler by the weekend for the card - I was looking long and hard at the AX2 cooler - but the new cooler from Cooler Master has caught my attention:

Cooler Master CoolViva Pro (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5695/vid-88/Coolermaster_CoolViva_Pro_Universal_VGA_Cooler_-_RV-UCH-P7U1-GP.html?tl=g40c21s65)


has anyone heard any good or bad reviews on these yet? CM has reviews on their site, but I've always held reviews posted by the manufacturer to be inherently biased. Opinions?

[Craigleberry]

I am going to sell the dammn card when I get it back and then
I will get hd2900 but steering clear of HIS

[tkpenalty]

Nah HIS screwed up the X1950PRO only. I would go with Sapphire though, they are happy to RMA if your card commits suicide, hey if you use headphones while you game, the stock cooler for the X1950PRO isnt THAT bad.

[tkpenalty]

just curious, as I'll prob be ordering a GPU cooler by the weekend for the card - I was looking long and hard at the AX2 cooler - but the new cooler from Cooler Master has caught my attention:

Cooler Master CoolViva Pro (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5695/vid-88/Coolermaster_CoolViva_Pro_Universal_VGA_Cooler_-_RV-UCH-P7U1-GP.html?tl=g40c21s65)


has anyone heard any good or bad reviews on these yet? CM has reviews on their site, but I've always held reviews posted by the manufacturer to be inherently biased. Opinions?

Its a good cooler, however it takes three slots.... not two but THREE. Its that huge. It was designed to fit a whole spectrum of cards though, thus nearing clearance. I would go with the AcceleroX2 instead however, a smarter choice honestly.

[Tbud]

These cards might not be DOA, they are just stubborn.

I just received the HIS X1950 pro, I opted for that because I was sent a Diamond X1950 with DDR2 when it was advertised to have GDDR3, so I sent it back (didnt want the extra power draw and heat). It was funny that it was so hard to get working but now it does. I have an older Tyan MPX (dual MPs) with a 4X universal AGP slot. The mobo wont even accept ATX12V power supplies newer than version 2.0. I blamed difficulties on my mobo. I had to put the card in and take it about about 20 times before it would POST, but I have seen this before, but only like 3-4 times. After that I got blue screens and Windows would not boot, so I had to go back in with the PCI card and delete all the old ATI drivers that were conflicting. After that I ran the ATI driver install and rebooted and it crapped out, locked up. So I went back into safe mode and deleted all drivers again and I just manually installed the drivers through device manager and now it works great. Seems better to let Windows do the install.

It works great in my dual 2Ghz Athlon MP at 266Mhz FSB, 4X AGP. On many things the cpu and AGP slot won't be the bottleneck, so it still helps to have the powerful gpu.

I have the PCI slot below it filled, but I also have 2 120mm intake fans blowing over it and a 92mm exhaust fan right above it, and vents right next to it. One of the main reasons i picked it is because of where the heat is vented, all the Nvidia stuff went out the back and my intake fans were countering the gpu fan.

Nvidia is not innocent in the arena of DOAs and early failures. I have owned both brands and honestly think the ATIs have performed better. My 6800GT really disappointed. These newer cards are so much bigger and complex that it is so much easier to damage them, with ESD and such.

[Craigleberry]

[QUOTE=tkpenalty;442856]Nah HIS screwed up the X1950PRO only. I would go with Sapphire though, they are happy to RMA if your card commits suicide, hey if you use headphones while you game, the stock cooler for the X1950PRO isnt THAT bad.[/QUOTE

lol they are loud

[Wile E]

they dont have vga both dvi so as most people use dvi to vga adaptersHe said it doesn't work using his DVI input on his monitor, but it works using the VGA input on his monitor. His DVI cable might be bad.

[Wile E]

Oh, and I forgot to mention,

IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVEEEEEE. [/Dr. Frankenstein]

Typing this from the 2900 right now.

[Craigleberry]

I doubt it man its not that old.
I will do further testing on Saturday before I send it away on Monday but Wile E I doubt it but anything is possible!
I have a spair but it has more pins in it and I know there are two different types but do not know why!
I have been using the one that came with my lcd as that should be the right one for my lcd

[tkpenalty]

Oh, and I forgot to mention,

IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVEEEEEE. [/Dr. Frankenstein]

Typing this from the 2900 right now.

:toast::toast:

Grats :D

I'd have no idea why the HIS cards are prone to faliure though, its mysterious, the REV.2 cards are worse.

[Craigleberry]

Going to order a new board today the GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3P.
So I can start building new rig I will post pics as I go through with each part fitted.

[imperialreign]

Its a good cooler, however it takes three slots.... not two but THREE. Its that huge. It was designed to fit a whole spectrum of cards though, thus nearing clearance. I would go with the AcceleroX2 instead however, a smarter choice honestly.


Thanks for that - I didn't realize it was THAT big, good lord! From the pics that CM has on their site, it looks like only 2 slots are needed - especially considering that it supposedly comes with a vented, dual slot PCI panel for the card. But damn, considering how monstrous that is, unless I actually see performance numbers compared to the AX2, I think I'll defi go with Arctic Cooling instead!

Figured it couldn't hurt to ask on such a new component.


IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVEEEEEE. [/Dr. Frankenstein]

IT'S FRAHNKEN-STEEN!!! :D glad to hear your 2900 survived that meltdown!

[Wile E]

IT'S FRAHNKEN-STEEN!!! :roll:

[Widjaja]

Nah HIS screwed up the X1950PRO only. I would go with Sapphire though, they are happy to RMA if your card commits suicide, hey if you use headphones while you game, the stock cooler for the X1950PRO isnt THAT bad.

It is loud but if you have case fans you won't notice it that much.
The Sapphire model does get warm under load.
About 78deg is my maximum so far if your are concerned about temps.
Thats when the fan becomes loud.

[Craigleberry]

It is loud but if you have case fans you won't notice it that much.
The Sapphire model does get warm under load.
About 78deg is my maximum so far if your are concerned about temps.
Thats when the fan becomes loud.

That is why I will be getting a fan controller when I build this time to shut the case fans up a little bit I do believe they are running a bit harder than they need to be just plugged into to a molex.:D

[tkpenalty]

78 Degrees is fine... nothing to chuck a fit under, unless you dont want your GPU failing in four years time, 78 Degrees is pretty bad...my friend gets 70*C

[Craigleberry]

78 Degrees is fine... nothing to chuck a fit under, unless you dont want your GPU failing in four years time, 78 Degrees is pretty bad...my friend gets 70*C

I think the AGP ones get hotter!http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd145/Craigleberry/Picture507gf.jpg
According to someone I know it has something to do with this.... But then again he might not know what he is on about??:slap:

[tkpenalty]

Anyway, hurry up and RMA. Even if it IS indeed that part, there is no use in discussing it.

[Craigleberry]

Anyway, hurry up and RMA. Even if it IS indeed that part, there is no use in discussing it.

:nutkick:cheers

[peach1971]

Finally bought a PowerColor X1950 Pro 256MB yesterday.
Not OCed yet.

http://img.techpowerup.org/070901/DSC00636.jpg

ATi Tray Tools 1.3.6.1042 Benchmark:
Catalyst 7.8 > 5983
Catalyst 7.7 > 5978
Catalyst 7.5 > 6025

[Craigleberry]

^ Not 2 Shabby :)

[peach1971]

Yeah, that´s still the original case from my 1998´s OEM PIII Celeron.
:roll: I love it to have all the hardware updates done in that same old shit. :roll:

[tkpenalty]

lmao! Grab a new case, your X1950PRO will fry, yeah its cool/old skool but not fun when something dies.

This case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115

Cheap, yet VERY effective, has a lot of room to work with and very easy to keep tidy, throw the low price and practical design (grilled facade) into the equation and you've got a case that you should buy.

Seriously, but it, i wouldnt put high end hardware in a case like that PIII one. (add a 120mm fan to the intake though).

[peach1971]

Nah, the rig is quietly running naked as pictured above. :)
CPU 29°C idle, GPU 40°C idle.
It eats definitly not more dust than running with side walls.

I love that case because it´s so tiny!
Maybe I´ll grab a Lian Li once.

[Craigleberry]

Nah, the rig is quietly running naked as pictured above. :)
CPU 29°C idle, GPU 40°C idle.
It eats definitly not more dust than running with side walls.

I love that case because it´s so tiny!
Maybe I´ll grab a Lian Li once.

That is a suprise that it runs cool with all of them wires in there like a birds nest to keep the heat in!
If you got a new case then you could get one that takes dust filters then she wouldnt eat dust at all.:)

[p_o_s_pc]

:nutkick:cheers

lol. I agree hurry up and RMA that damn video card already.:twitch:

[imperialreign]

Finally bought a PowerColor X1950 Pro 256MB yesterday.
Not OCed yet.



ATi Tray Tools 1.3.6.1042 Benchmark:
Catalyst 7.8 > 5983
Catalyst 7.7 > 5978
Catalyst 7.5 > 6025



beige case :wtf: I thought they were all extinct! can't argue with those sys temps, though!!

[tkpenalty]

I agree lmao... wait do you leave the system with the cover off?

[p_o_s_pc]

i think he does it also looks like there is no top so if there is no top the heat would go out of the top. Also someone said something about the wires. Where could he(or she) put them in that case?

[tkpenalty]

its a he. :p. I'd get a new case either way, and Lian LIs are not very practical. That case I chose, is really nice imho, no bullshit included.

[p_o_s_pc]

i like the case that you linked it looks nice and looks like it would have good air flow.I also think he would be better getting a new case.

[tkpenalty]

exactly... the acceleroX2 wont run that cool without decent airflow, and how warm are those hdds!!

[imperialreign]

yeah, that is a decent case, especially for that low price tag . . .

swap out the stock 120 fan for a better performing one, throw a 2nd one in the front of the case and I'm sure that rig will stay cool

[Craigleberry]

lol. I agree hurry up and RMA that damn video card already.:twitch:

FFS It has been sent.:laugh:
I did what tk wanted:laugh:
Stop hurting my feelings:cry:
:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

[Wile E]

its a he. :p. I'd get a new case either way, and Lian LIs are not very practical. That case I chose, is really nice imho, no bullshit included.What's wrong with Lian-Li cases? Their build quality far surpasses that of ANY of the sub $100 cases. You can stand on the damn things.

[Craigleberry]

What's wrong with Lian-Li cases? Their build quality far surpasses that of ANY of the sub $100 cases. You can stand on the damn things.

Come in handy if you score with a really tall chick at the pub you could get her home and stand on it to make out!:laugh:
Good if you are vertically challenged.

[tkpenalty]

Lian LI cases are great, but im just saying, you can achieve the same performance with a lower price; CM 330 does the same as a PC7S, yeah if you have the money you'd go for lian li, but im putting value for money into the equation.

[Wile E]

Lian LI cases are great, but im just saying, you can achieve the same performance with a lower price; CM 330 does the same as a PC7S, yeah if you have the money you'd go for lian li, but im putting value for money into the equation.Oh, I see. I thought you were flat out dissin Lian Li cases. lol

[imperialreign]

I just thought this thread could use a new post!!! :D

[tkpenalty]

^thats what you call spam :p

[Darknova]

No, this is spam

http://www.sci.fi/~jpoyry/huijarit/spam.jpg

[Craigleberry]

No, this is spam

http://www.sci.fi/~jpoyry/huijarit/spam.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/070905/spam.gif

[kardson]

My 1950 Fiasco.

HIS H195PRQT512DDAN-R
I bought my 1950pro back in January of this year... It was the stock overclocked version.. 620core 1440 memory.. I loved that card. Shortly after getting the card I started getting random lockups. After reading peoples complaints I decided to take the cooler off. I applied some Artic silver 5 to the gpu after cleaning it off and used better thermal conductive padding on the VRMs where the connected to the heatsink. Still I had random crashes, but not as often.

Then about 1 month after this .. I took my pc over to a friends house where he keeps the house temp down to like 60f...(I keep mine at about 75f) Well while over there I didn't have one lockup with my system! So when I got home, I decided to UNDERclock my card 20mhz and sure enough that stopped the crashes.. I wasn't to happy with having paid a premium for a card that was stock overclocked... that I had to reduce the speed on it to run properly, but it was better than waiting 2-3weeks for a return.


Then 1 month ago the card's ICEQ 3 cooler's fan started rattling. Turns out the bearing started to go bad. I'm guessing it happened from me keeping it the fan 100% load. I finally had enough.. I decided to send the card back before it was to late.

After the card was returned I was told that the card had been discontinued, and I could either get my money back -$45 for depreciation. or they could send me a Gecube X 1950 XT AGP with the TEC cooler in its place... I took the Gecube.


I wish I had my benchmarks from the HIS 1950pro to compare to.. but I can say that the Gecube X1950 XT definately does 'feel' faster.
3dMark 05 score = 7048 3dMark 06 score = 4484
Running on P4 630 (3.0ghz) 2gig DDR 400 memory DFI Lanparty 875-pt motherboard

When I first got the card I noticed that the screws for the backplate were a little loose so I tightened each as much as I could to a reasonable amount (about 1 full turn). The heatsink still feels a little loose though. The copper plate does not touch the pcb where the thermal paddings are placed. Infact the only contact points touching are the center dimple and the screws.... Seems senseless to put thermal padding on the pcb if the copper plate wasn't meant to make contact..

Peak temps after running 3dmark 3 times in a row cap at about 75c when the card is overclocked to 675 core 1500memory. Card throttles down and hits 50c pretty quick after ending the benchmark..

The drivers for this card are also a mess... I finally was able to settle in with the ATI 7.7 drivers and left the Catalyst control panel off .. using ATI Tray Tools instead.

Whats really un-nerving is the fact the way the card throttles up. If you play any games in windowed mode they card does not recognize that as a 3d environment thus it never throttles up to its full potential. And on occasion you need to reboot your pc for it to throttle up in Full Screen 3d games too. Since the Bios says its set to 499core and 599 memory thats what it reports to futuremark..

My next test tonight will be to stop using the hotkey puller via the ATI overdrive 3 and to use the built in overclocking utility in ATI Tray Tools and setup Game/ application profiles to see if I can make it run at full speed in windowed mode. Though honestly the only game I run in windowed is WOW.. so its not a HUGE deal.

it is also listed as a X1950 card (no xt or pro or xtx).. unlike my old X1950 Pro which showed up as a X 1950 pro... not sure why this is other than the fact geforce is usning a non standard method to make the card.. which would explain why they are the old one to have a 1950 XT in the agp variaty... (Anyone taken the card apart? what is the GPU lasered as?)

Next is the mass amount of HEAT this thing puts out... I mean MY GOD! My system temps have jumped 15f degrees. my Case window nearest to the back of my pc is hot to the touch even when the system is idle.... Anyone know if the Peltier is always on and this is where the heat is coming from?.. or is the gpu just that hot at idle?.... I just assumed the Peltier would only kick on when needed.. Sooo, now I'm thinking about drilling another hole near the bottom of the side-window to put in a 80mm exaust fan for the heat from the card..


Pros- FAST FAST card for agp

Cons- Heat Output into case is HIGH.
Driver installation horrible - Recommend ATI driver 7.7 w/ RivaTuner or Ati Tray tools
GPU throttling system poorly setup

[Darknova]

My XT only shows up as X1950 Series...don't worry about it.

[imperialreign]

Whats really un-nerving is the fact the way the card throttles up. If you play any games in windowed mode they card does not recognize that as a 3d environment thus it never throttles up to its full potential. And on occasion you need to reboot your pc for it to throttle up in Full Screen 3d games too. Since the Bios says its set to 499core and 599 memory thats what it reports to futuremark..

as best that I know, most ATi cards have 2D/3D clocks programmed in the BIOS (I believe that listed clocks are for 3D mode only - not really sure on that though), and the card will only switch to 3D clocks in full-screen mode - hence, why it appears to not be running fast with a window open. Opening ATi Tool, I believe, immediately puts the GPU into 3D mode, which will affect speeds in a window . . . here, if your willing, download this HDR program and run it in windowed mode, then open ATi Tool and you should notice your FPS go up.

[Widjaja]

Yet another HIS X1950pro doing the dodgys.
Maybe tk was on to something with these cards.
Craigleberry was another but his was artifacting.
Pity I reckon they look pretty good.

Anyway
I don't know if anyone has had this happen to them.
I had system restored my PC and a folder called ATI(2) popped up in local disk C.
This folder made my rig stutter/lag when gaming.

Of course I removed it and now it works perfectly.

[Craigleberry]

Mine was artifacting initially and then it just cracked the sads totaly. I cant wait till it gets back from RMA so I cant sell it and buy a hd2900

Edit My avatar could eat your Avatar lol

[Wile E]

Mine was artifacting initially and then it just cracked the sads totaly. I cant wait till it gets back from RMA so I cant sell it and buy a hd2900

Edit My avatar could eat your Avatar lol
Speaking of your avatar, do you rotate that thing everyday? lol

[tkpenalty]

My 1950 Fiasco.

HIS H195PRQT512DDAN-R
I bought my 1950pro back in January of this year... It was the stock overclocked version.. 620core 1440 memory.. I loved that card. Shortly after getting the card I started getting random lockups. After reading peoples complaints I decided to take the cooler off. I applied some Artic silver 5 to the gpu after cleaning it off and used better thermal conductive padding on the VRMs where the connected to the heatsink. Still I had random crashes, but not as often.

Then about 1 month after this .. I took my pc over to a friends house where he keeps the house temp down to like 60f...(I keep mine at about 75f) Well while over there I didn't have one lockup with my system! So when I got home, I decided to UNDERclock my card 20mhz and sure enough that stopped the crashes.. I wasn't to happy with having paid a premium for a card that was stock overclocked... that I had to reduce the speed on it to run properly, but it was better than waiting 2-3weeks for a return.


Then 1 month ago the card's ICEQ 3 cooler's fan started rattling. Turns out the bearing started to go bad. I'm guessing it happened from me keeping it the fan 100% load. I finally had enough.. I decided to send the card back before it was to late.

After the card was returned I was told that the card had been discontinued, and I could either get my money back -$45 for depreciation. or they could send me a Gecube X 1950 XT AGP with the TEC cooler in its place... I took the Gecube.


I wish I had my benchmarks from the HIS 1950pro to compare to.. but I can say that the Gecube X1950 XT definately does 'feel' faster.
3dMark 05 score = 7048 3dMark 06 score = 4484
Running on P4 630 (3.0ghz) 2gig DDR 400 memory DFI Lanparty 875-pt motherboard

When I first got the card I noticed that the screws for the backplate were a little loose so I tightened each as much as I could to a reasonable amount (about 1 full turn). The heatsink still feels a little loose though. The copper plate does not touch the pcb where the thermal paddings are placed. Infact the only contact points touching are the center dimple and the screws.... Seems senseless to put thermal padding on the pcb if the copper plate wasn't meant to make contact..

Peak temps after running 3dmark 3 times in a row cap at about 75c when the card is overclocked to 675 core 1500memory. Card throttles down and hits 50c pretty quick after ending the benchmark..

The drivers for this card are also a mess... I finally was able to settle in with the ATI 7.7 drivers and left the Catalyst control panel off .. using ATI Tray Tools instead.

Whats really un-nerving is the fact the way the card throttles up. If you play any games in windowed mode they card does not recognize that as a 3d environment thus it never throttles up to its full potential. And on occasion you need to reboot your pc for it to throttle up in Full Screen 3d games too. Since the Bios says its set to 499core and 599 memory thats what it reports to futuremark..

My next test tonight will be to stop using the hotkey puller via the ATI overdrive 3 and to use the built in overclocking utility in ATI Tray Tools and setup Game/ application profiles to see if I can make it run at full speed in windowed mode. Though honestly the only game I run in windowed is WOW.. so its not a HUGE deal.

it is also listed as a X1950 card (no xt or pro or xtx).. unlike my old X1950 Pro which showed up as a X 1950 pro... not sure why this is other than the fact geforce is usning a non standard method to make the card.. which would explain why they are the old one to have a 1950 XT in the agp variaty... (Anyone taken the card apart? what is the GPU lasered as?)

Next is the mass amount of HEAT this thing puts out... I mean MY GOD! My system temps have jumped 15f degrees. my Case window nearest to the back of my pc is hot to the touch even when the system is idle.... Anyone know if the Peltier is always on and this is where the heat is coming from?.. or is the gpu just that hot at idle?.... I just assumed the Peltier would only kick on when needed.. Sooo, now I'm thinking about drilling another hole near the bottom of the side-window to put in a 80mm exaust fan for the heat from the card..


Pros- FAST FAST card for agp

Cons- Heat Output into case is HIGH.
Driver installation horrible - Recommend ATI driver 7.7 w/ RivaTuner or Ati Tray tools
GPU throttling system poorly setup

First of all, i would like to point something out. What power supply are you using anyway? Lockups usually mean a bad PSU and NOT a bad GPU. Moreover, the X1950PRO is a COOL card, I dont know how you came to grips with saying that it runs hot; its misleading ya know?

Moreover, 7.7 Drivers, seriously! 7.7 Drivers = biggest FAIL, they have so many issues, get with the times :p, use the 7.8s instead.

Anyway, yes the X1950XT RUNS HOT. ESPECIALLY the GeCube, the Gecube's cooler SUCKS. It works fine until the retention clips lose their strength, I would immediately remove that cooler and replace it with something like a VF900 or a VF1000!

[Craigleberry]

I might add my 2 bobs worth and say that the AGP X1950's do run too hot.

[Widjaja]

Talking to someone with the Sapphire X1950pro 512mb agp Rev.2
He has posted his load temps and they are impressive compared to the Rev1 model.

Rev1 max on average is 76deg.
Rev2 max on average is 48deg.

Although he is using Rivatuner, I don't know if that is giving false readings but then again the Rev2 cooler does actually have a VRM heatsink this time.

[mitsirfishi]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4324/06runkk9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4324/06runkk9.4ece7485b8.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=517&i=06runkk9.jpg)

here is a safe crossfire run on my x1950 pro's for the moment will push further soon when i get my arctic s1 back on my card :P as my asus card has been playing up but it was just a matter of crazy clocks :P

[tkpenalty]

Talking to someone with the Sapphire X1950pro 512mb agp Rev.2
He has posted his load temps and they are impressive compared to the Rev1 model.

Rev1 max on average is 76deg.
Rev2 max on average is 48deg.

Although he is using Rivatuner, I don't know if that is giving false readings but then again the Rev2 cooler does actually have a VRM heatsink this time.

Yeah REV2 that recently was released has a better cooler.

[zekrahminator]

You'll be getting a new member to your clubhouse in a little less than a week, TK, look at what what I'm getting (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125075) :).

[Craigleberry]

Speaking of your avatar, do you rotate that thing everyday? lol

Sorta change it as she grows.

[Craigleberry]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4324/06runkk9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4324/06runkk9.4ece7485b8.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=517&i=06runkk9.jpg)

here is a safe crossfire run on my x1950 pro's for the moment will push further soon when i get my arctic s1 back on my card :P as my asus card has been playing up but it was just a matter of crazy clocks :P

Has your wallpaper got clothes on its a little hard to tell with your 3d mark results on her.

[Kursah]

Nice OC on that card mitsirfishy! My Core doesn't like going above 621...I've had it at 628, but it won't do it for long...

:toast:

[imperialreign]

Haven't been able to get my card to break 620, either . . .

don't the 1950 PRO's need to be modded to break the 625 core clock?

[mitsirfishi]

Haven't been able to get my card to break 620, either . . .

don't the 1950 PRO's need to be modded to break the 625 core clock?

not they dont have to be modded to go 625 core my HIS card will do 655 on stock volts my asus one is at 1.45v currently at 641 dont know wheather to go above 1.5v or not :rolleyes: to see if i can get more core on my s1 with 2 120 fans :P

Craigleberry she has the bear minimal on why did you want to see ? :P go on www.skins.be and go to keeley hazzell

[Craigleberry]

not they dont have to be modded to go 625 core my HIS card will do 655 on stock volts my asus one is at 1.45v currently at 641 dont know wheather to go above 1.5v or not :rolleyes: to see if i can get more core on my s1 with 2 120 fans :P

Craigleberry she has the bear minimal on why did you want to see ? :P go on www.skins.be and go to keeley hazzell

Hey I am a bloke of course I wanted to see. lol

[imperialreign]

not they dont have to be modded to go 625 core my HIS card will do 655 on stock volts my asus one is at 1.45v currently at 641 dont know wheather to go above 1.5v or not :rolleyes: to see if i can get more core on my s1 with 2 120 fans :P

Craigleberry she has the bear minimal on why did you want to see ? :P go on www.skins.be and go to keeley hazzell

hmmm . . . maybe it's just the stock ATi Pro voltage, then - I can't change my card voltage, I don;'t even think RaBit supports it . . . As soon as I can get a GPU cooler, I'm going to see how much further I can push this card . . .

[mitsirfishi]

i might try slackening the timmings on my cards see if i can get further on my memory ;P

[Wile E]

i might try slackening the timmings on my cards see if i can get further on my memory ;PWell, slackening your timings will reduce performance. You might gain some MHz, but performance likely won't increase.

For instance, on my 2900, mem timings automatically loosen past 1000MHz. With my mem set to 999MHz, I get better performance vs my mem set at 1040MHz.

[tkpenalty]

Damn my X1950PRO doesnt like to be overclocked, 621 sees artifacts... ATI Overdrive doesnt work properly as well... and ATI TOOL = FAIL. I dont know why W1zzard hasnt gotten the X1950PRO to work with ATI Tool, its seriously....lazy?

[erocker]

Why don't you get it to work smarty-pants? Seriously though, have you tried .27beta#1?

[tkpenalty]

.27 Beta? Instant crash man.

[mitsirfishi]

i use the beta 2 for my his card because with my asus card it crashes but i use rivatuner for my other card 2.03 works a treat

[imperialreign]

Damn my X1950PRO doesnt like to be overclocked, 621 sees artifacts... ATI Overdrive doesnt work properly as well... and ATI TOOL = FAIL. I dont know why W1zzard hasnt gotten the X1950PRO to work with ATI Tool, its seriously....lazy?

I haven't been able to get my core to pass 621, either - VPU recover has saved me from many a BSoD in this instance.

Highest I've gotten my mem is 729. It's not just ATiTool .27b2 - ATi Tray Tools runs into the same artifact/crashing at the same timings.

I've gotten the feeling that the card or BIOS might have to be modded/tweaked to go higher :(

[craigo]

um, hi, can i join this club?..im not in any clubs..i have x1950 pros in crossfire.

vf900 coolers,bios modded 655/709pcie lanes @ 105mhz 512mb xpertvisions

[Widjaja]

um, hi, can i join this club?..im not in any clubs..i have x1950 pros in crossfire.

vf900 coolers,bios modded 655/709pcie lanes @ 105mhz 512mb xpertvisions

I'm sure he will.
While your'e here add some benches in the X1950 vs 7900 thread.
There's one dude whose given a score with a CF setup, should be interesting to see a comparison.

[imperialreign]

hey, Kurs, TK . . . anyone break that 621 core yet?

I also wanted to bring this to light, as it might be an unknown issue still . . . the other night I was poking around in my case with an IR temp gun, just getting ballpark figures of component temps. At 601/729, as best I could tell, the GPU was only running at about 50C (+/-) 3C, a bit warm, but not too bad considering I've got two fans blownin full boogey on it - but what did concern me is all the capacitors at the end of the card on the neweer PCB designs.

http://www.motherboards.org/images/reviews/hardware/1681_p2_6.jpg?

The average temp I pulled from all of them was 63C (+/-) 3C (IR temp guns aren't 100% accurate)! Now, between the airflow through the stock cooler that's blowing directly on them, and the airflow from my front case fan, I would imagine they should stay closer in range of the rest of the board, but not so. I'm thinkin, seeing as how the SSB is right underneath this section of the VGA, that I'm going to install a chipset cooler over the SSB, hopefully that will help blow some of the heat off the capacitors.


Recently, with my rig running about all day OC, I would notice I'd get odd and somewhat unusual visual effects in certain 3D programs (most noticeably 3DMark06, 05). In certain sections of certain graphics tests, the screen would go to . . . inverse colors, best I can describe it; but only during certain tests (Cannon Flight more frequently). Nd it seemed that if I gave the system 5 min to cool a little bit, the color range be displayed would change, albeit still inverse - and it would cut in and out from normal colors to inverse.

But, I think I'll need to come up with some kind of cooling soultion for this area of my card - I truly hope this card isn't damaged just yet . . .

[tkpenalty]

The capacitors are rated to run at around those temps so i wouldnt worry. Those capacitors arent the reason why your GPU is artifacting. Its the fact that the X1950PRO is one of the worst overclocking cards (yay for a 3mhz overclock...). No parts are damaged so dont worry about that as well.

However to people who plan to buy an X1950PRO and then eventually overclock it-forget about overclocking, new driver releases are what will give you better peformance. If you love overclocking you could spend money on a 7900GS instead which is cheaper and use a VF900CU which would give superior peformance once overclocked.


May I stress that this is NOT a fanclub guys, this is a support group. Members who intend to take sides be WARNED, im sort of sick of the amount of ativsnvidiabullshit.

[Craigleberry]

Come on what did nvidia do to you lol

[imperialreign]

May I stress that this is NOT a fanclub guys, this is a support group. Members who intend to take sides be WARNED, im sort of sick of the amount of ativsnvidiabullshit.

not to disrespect you or any other members here - but I've been an avid ATi supporter for years, and that will (probably) never change. Although, I'm not one that will recommend to everyone to go out and snag any old ATi card 'cause "at least it ain't nVidia!" - I recommend based on their stated needs. It's up to each individual person to conclude for themself which product would be better, and hopefully they'll be able to make a more informed decision. We all know that there does tend to be more nVidia fanboism out there, at least on the part of various publishers. Not saying there isn't ATi fanbois, not by a long shot.

But, this is just my personal stance between the two; I've had really horrible experiences dealing with nVidia before, and sound tech support from ATi - but this is just me, I'm sure others are different.



. . . although, to look at the other end of the tunnel - a forum dedicated to only the X1000's lineup and the HD2k's line up is going to turn out the fanbois and ATi supporters - probably the reason quite a few of us bought an ATi product in the first place . . .

[Scrizz]

can I join the club?
I have a Sapphire x1950gt 256 AGP

[tkpenalty]

not to disrespect you or any other members here - but I've been an avid ATi supporter for years, and that will (probably) never change. Although, I'm not one that will recommend to everyone to go out and snag any old ATi card 'cause "at least it ain't nVidia!" - I recommend based on their stated needs. It's up to each individual person to conclude for themself which product would be better, and hopefully they'll be able to make a more informed decision. We all know that there does tend to be more nVidia fanboism out there, at least on the part of various publishers. Not saying there isn't ATi fanbois, not by a long shot.

But, this is just my personal stance between the two; I've had really horrible experiences dealing with nVidia before, and sound tech support from ATi - but this is just me, I'm sure others are different.



. . . although, to look at the other end of the tunnel - a forum dedicated to only the X1000's lineup and the HD2k's line up is going to turn out the fanbois and ATi supporters - probably the reason quite a few of us bought an ATi product in the first place . . .

No what I meant was that I dont want fanboy wars going on...

By Craigo and Scrizz added. Err sorry if I seem pissy or something but i dont need someone talking for me :p

Come on what did nvidia do to you lol

Read... Im not taking sides man :p. In fact I want a 8800GTS 320MB atm but...the driver issues just make me stick with my X1950PRO instead.

[imperialreign]

Ohhhhh! Gotcha!

Sorry bout that, been a long day at work and thought you somehow misunderstood my post as some form of fanboism!

S'all good! :toast:

[Scrizz]

thx

[Waldoinsc]

3DConnect X1950XT CF, err... x1950xtx...:rolleyes:well, its the R580+ with GDDR4. Anyhow...what's the best aftermarket cooler for this card? I want to get rid of the leafblower it came with.

I have it mounted in a small formfactor, so the cooler cannot extend above the top of the card or the card won't fit. Any suggestions?

[tkpenalty]

err, you are pretty much out of options mate... a VF900CU isnt a very great solution since it wont take that much heat and an Accelero....is too tall. Actually, buy the accelero, then remove the black plastic shroud (and fan that hangs off the side) and bolt two 80mm fans onto it, covering all the fins, it has been shown it runs roughly 10~15*C Cooler in this this setup. Like from 70*C Load to 60*C load, something like that, in this setup it kills a VF900CU.

[imperialreign]

err, you are pretty much out of options mate... a VF900CU isnt a very great solution since it wont take that much heat and an Accelero....is too tall. Actually, buy the accelero, then remove the black plastic shroud (and fan that hangs off the side) and bolt two 80mm fans onto it, covering all the fins, it has been shown it runs roughly 10~15*C Cooler in this this setup. Like from 70*C Load to 60*C load, something like that, in this setup it kills a VF900CU.

I gotta keep that in mind after I snag an AX2 :D

got a little held up on that purchase - I bought the new mobo and had a completel brainfart forgetting that Intel board only supported DDR while the ASUS uses DDR2 - man I felt stoopid! Opened the box, pulled out the board, lokoed at the slots . . . "G*Ditt!!" So had to dump another $150 on 2Gb. Oh well . . . just a little oversight!

BTW - anyone know what kind of GDDR3 timings work well on the 1950 Pros? I'm thinking about trying to tweak some of the timings, but I've got to use RaBit and flash the BIOS for each change. The mobo BIOS has a lot of tweaks for the PCI-E slots, along with the other sys components - jut trying to get everything to work as fluid as possible, y'know?

[tkpenalty]

nope... they kill peformance easily.

[Scrizz]

nope... they kill peformance easily.

? :confused:

[tkpenalty]

? :confused:

loosesning the timings.

[erocker]

I'm starting to wonder when they are going to start putting xt cores into pro boards like they used to? With the card being discontinued soon hopefully we will see some.

[Scrizz]

loosesning the timings.

ok ;)

yah i hope they start putting xt cores in pros

[tkpenalty]

err that wont ever happen. Considering the fact that the X1950XT draws much more power in comparison, you cannot run it on the same PCB whatsoever, and besides... let it die :p, R580+s are different to RV570s anyway... I assume they use a different socket as well.

[imperialreign]

I assume they use a different socket as well.

more than likely . . . although, are the GPU's even removable from their socket? I mean, when I had taken the stock cooler off just to have a look at the GPU, you can easily see the socket base, but it didn't look like it was removable at all. Prob wouldn't make a difference, anyhow - it's not like you can go GPU swapping like you can a CPU.

[Wile E]

more than likely . . . although, are the GPU's even removable from their socket? I mean, when I had taken the stock cooler off just to have a look at the GPU, you can easily see the socket base, but it didn't look like it was removable at all. Prob wouldn't make a difference, anyhow - it's not like you can go GPU swapping like you can a CPU.No, they're soldered on.

[imperialreign]

No, they're soldered on.

That doesn't surprise me! :laugh: I woulda figured they'd do something like that - all though, I must say, they leave it looking quite the opposite!!

nope... they kill peformance easily.

I was wanting to tighten the timings a little. Actually, I went ahead and did such, and recieved quite a surprise! Here:

before tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4039
after tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4429

quite a jump, I'd say!! I wasn't expecting that tightening up the timings on the GDDR would yield such an improvement! I think I'm going to go ahead and experiment with these timings a little more! :D

[erocker]

They'll have plenty of leftover dx9 parts. I'm sure something will happen Tk... It always does.

[erocker]

That doesn't surprise me! :laugh: I woulda figured they'd do something like that - all though, I must say, they leave it looking quite the opposite!!



I was wanting to tighten the timings a little. Actually, I went ahead and did such, and recieved quite a surprise! Here:

before tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4039
after tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4429

quite a jump, I'd say!! I wasn't expecting that tightening up the timings on the GDDR would yield such an improvement! I think I'm going to go ahead and experiment with these timings a little more! :D

Nice man!!!

[tkpenalty]

They'll have plenty of leftover dx9 parts. I'm sure something will happen Tk... It always does.

Probably, but it wont work. RV580 has no chance of working on the X1950PRO's PCB. It will still be sold as a X1950XT but at a very low price. Still, if you say that, then why are they still selling X800GTOs? Left over probably, but when i got my second 9550 (first one had shitty memory), it was manufactured only a month earlier, and this was in late 2006 (one odd thing though... i remember joining TPU the year before).

[tkpenalty]

Far out... after flashing it with a stock bios.... the fan still makes a buzzing noise.. wtf? What the hell do i do now T_T. Some reason the plastic shroud doesnt budge as well, i cant seem to remove it. Err help guys? T_T.

[Siluro]

The X1600Pro core won't overclock more than 621 either. I think it's some limitation on RV5x0 cores in general.

[Waldoinsc]

err, you are pretty much out of options mate... a VF900CU isnt a very great solution since it wont take that much heat and an Accelero....is too tall. Actually, buy the accelero, then remove the black plastic shroud (and fan that hangs off the side) and bolt two 80mm fans onto it, covering all the fins, it has been shown it runs roughly 10~15*C Cooler in this this setup. Like from 70*C Load to 60*C load, something like that, in this setup it kills a VF900CU.

Thanks for the mod to the mod idea...sounds like it'll work.:) Gotta get an Accelero.

[imperialreign]

I was wanting to tighten the timings a little. Actually, I went ahead and did such, and recieved quite a surprise! Here:

before tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4039
after tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4429

quite a jump, I'd say!! I wasn't expecting that tightening up the timings on the GDDR would yield such an improvement! I think I'm going to go ahead and experiment with these timings a little more!


well, so far, tightening the DRAM timings a little seems to yield more of an improvement than adjusting them a whole lot. It also appears that the tighter timings show a better response at stock clocks than with the core/mem at even a 5% OC. For example, at default timings but running 614/742 I pulled 4324 in 3M06, but using tighter timings at that same OC, I only saw 4325.

Somehow, though, this doesn't seem to surprise me all that much - that tweaking the DRAM timings gives better results than OCing. Although, I get the feeling that there is that 'sweet spot' where just the right timing to overclock ratio will show even better results - now just to find it . . .

I'm still going to mess with things a bit more later, as of now my rig is getting a tick warm and the results are starting to suffer from it.

[tkpenalty]

The X1600Pro core won't overclock more than 621 either. I think it's some limitation on RV5x0 cores in general.

Yeah... it is. 5xx cores will need voltage mods any speed higher than 621... HIS are premodded with higher voltages for their rev.1 iceQ III turbo.

[Autiem Sel]

Hi, I have overclocked my his x1950pro agp to 614/783 and scored 5612 on 3dmark06.
Is this a decent score for my setup?
However, other similar systems were scoring ~9000 with slower cpu/gpu clocks, and wondered how they are achieving this. Could these systems be running in crossfire though not listed in their specs?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x183/snoutie/36mark06.jpg

[tkpenalty]

Yes they have to be.

[Autiem Sel]

Urr seems obvious now, cheers.

Is it just the HIS x1950 that has trouble with gpu overclocking? (in fact I had to downclock mine) ...as I noticed others were getting 650-660. Would these be other brand x1950s or is there a way the HIS card could be pushed that far?

[imperialreign]

Sending out the new mobo tomorrow for an RMA :(

Oh well . . . gonna put together the eMachines rig (which will be my secondary work horse), throw the old Intel mobo back in that case, set up the MCE OS . . . not much to OC or tweak with, though :(

But, I do have a couple of old ATi cards laying around I'm going to see if I can't OC the crap out of - first off will be this VisionTek Radeon X1300, carrying an impressive 512MB GDDR2, clocks at 450/533. I'm curious as to how far I can push that card.

Next on my hit list is an even older ATi Radeon X700 PRO, packing 256MB GDDR3 and clocks set at 425/432. I kinda get the feeling this card will end up surprising me (during it's previous installation, I managed a near about 15% OC easily, without any major jumps in the card's temps).




hey, I gotta find ways to entertain myself until my mobo gets back, right?!! :D

[tkpenalty]

Urr seems obvious now, cheers.

Is it just the HIS x1950 that has trouble with gpu overclocking? (in fact I had to downclock mine) ...as I noticed others were getting 650-660. Would these be other brand x1950s or is there a way the HIS card could be pushed that far?

Rev.1 were proper, rev.2 = full of problems. Guess what my X1950PRO Extreme only oc's properly for 3 mhz...

[tkpenalty]

I want a 8800GTS320MB.... except nvidia.... FIX UP THAT DRIVER ISSUE :cry:. Thats the only thing that stops me from buying it (hey dudes... im not going to make a 8 series clubhouse, for anyone who thinks im being "disloyal").

[Craigleberry]

This is no way related to the topic you are discussing but I just wanna say WOOO HOOO My Replacement X1950 Pro is on the way! Too bad the guy wouldnt exchange it for a PCI-E So I will sell it on flea bay.:laugh:

[tkpenalty]

:laugh: LOL.... mmm... Grab yourself a GA P955/P35 DS3 mate.... it will do you heaps more.

[Craigleberry]

:laugh: LOL.... mmm... Grab yourself a GA P955/P35 DS3 mate.... it will do you heaps more.

I have a nice new GA-P35-DS3P (rev 1.1) sitting ....waiting calling out my name telling me to put a q6600 and some good ram and a HD2900 xt in her. Mmmmm nice:laugh::rockout:

[tkpenalty]

very nice :D. Chuck in a E4500 and you will be fine.

[Craigleberry]

very nice :D. Chuck in a E4500 and you will be fine.

Reality is biting me a little and I have to think of my back pocket...
So I may go with a e6750
And a Saphire X1950 gt (which I cant find on flea bay in the 512 mb):rockout:

[tkpenalty]

No... E4500 = 11x multi, E6750 = 8x multi but 333 fsb. Overall the E4500 will be easier to overclock.

[Wile E]

No... E4500 = 11x multi, E6750 = 8x multi but 333 fsb. Overall the E4500 will be easier to overclock.
But the 6750 has more L2 Cache, and he has a P35 board, so I don't think clocking will be a problem. Even if he only hits 450fsb, that's still 3.6GHz.

[tkpenalty]

true.. bit E4500 costs way less.

[Wile E]

true.. bit E4500 costs way less.lol. True

[Widjaja]

Yeah I've seen some strange scores in 3dmark.
1# scored something like 6712cpu marks with the exact same CPU as I have in 05 then goes and gets lower CPU marks in 06 at the same clock speeds.
but in 06 his 3Dmark was way high and yet he's has the lower clocks than I have.
Infact too high for any 580/702 1950pro.

This certain chap also listed his mark 3times in 06 so he is in first second and third.

Update:-
Just realized he has a CF setup.:banghead:
Didn't know DFI made a motherboard with CF for 939's
He's getting over 7000 in every run.

But as proven in the X1950pro vs 7900GS database.
C2D with 1950pro in CF gets over 9000.

Around the same marks as my bro's 8800GTX under vista ultimate.

[tkpenalty]

C2Ds increase in perf isnt linear, with clockspeed increases. C2Ds are indeed faster than the K8s by a fair bit, i mean AMD had to down the pricetag of their 6000+ since the E6600 costed cheaper, and matched the peformance of the 6000+. K8 is old anyway...

That would explain the results widjaja.

[Craigleberry]

Well I do not know a thing about Overclocking and I do not want to attemt it just in case I fry the thing.:)
I am going to order a E6750 me thinks.
At least I will have a good setup that will be capable of playing all of my games and NO bottleneck!:toast:

[Wile E]

Well I do not know a thing about Overclocking and I do not want to attemt it just in case I fry the thing.:)
I am going to order a E6750 me thinks.
At least I will have a good setup that will be capable of playing all of my games and NO bottleneck!:toast:It's only a matter of time until we talk you into overclocking. lol

[imperialreign]

At least I will have a good setup that will be capable of playing all of my games and NO bottleneck!

That's what I'm working towards right now - but have to RMA the board :mad: - either way, the only thing really holding the rig back is that 524, but that'll be taken care of beginning of next year (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=39772. If all goes well, when I get my tax returns back next year, if I don't have any obligations, that money will go towards 2 HD2k's to replace my 1950 PRO - xFire here I come, and on a C2E, too :D

[mitsirfishi]

Yeah I've seen some strange scores in 3dmark.
1# scored something like 6712cpu marks with the exact same CPU as I have in 05 then goes and gets lower CPU marks in 06 at the same clock speeds.
but in 06 his 3Dmark was way high and yet he's has the lower clocks than I have.
Infact too high for any 580/702 1950pro.

This certain chap also listed his mark 3times in 06 so he is in first second and third.

Update:-
Just realized he has a CF setup.:banghead:
Didn't know DFI made a motherboard with CF for 939's
He's getting over 7000 in every run.

But as proven in the X1950pro vs 7900GS database.
C2D with 1950pro in CF gets over 9000.

Around the same marks as my bro's 8800GTX under vista ultimate.


*cough* so can amd's get over 9k in 06 with x1950pro's in cf :pimp: ive done it not a problem :ohwell:

9.3k at 3.45ghz and cards running oc'ed i think i might be trying crossfire again 2moro in a c2d and ill tell you what the results are people e6600

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=25995 there look at the xfire setups notice im 4th :P but highest x1950pro cf setup ive seen on tpu its going to get higher with a few hardware updates shortly i might be able to break the 10k barrier with my pro's but we will have to see yet ;)

[imperialreign]

But as proven in the X1950pro vs 7900GS database.
C2D with 1950pro in CF gets over 9000.


and 1950 Pro's on P4's get creamed by the 7900's. Even with my 25% OC of 3.85, I'm still bout near bottom rung in all benchmarks. My FSB is still too low, and I can't raise it much further just yet. Multiplier is locked at x23 :mad:

[mitsirfishi]

dont worry ive tried a single x1950pro on a p4 550 even at 4.25ghz it falls way behind bearly touchs the 16k barrier in 03 under 10k in 05 and 06 id rather not say because it makes the x1950pro sound shameful but you get the picture

[imperialreign]

I hear it - I don't understand what it is about the P4's . . . so far 4616 is the highest I've "earned" in 3m06 - which for a P4 X1950 PRO ain't bad, IMHO - and I think I might be able to get it a little higher after I get my mobo back, but I doubt I'll ever hit the 5k mark with a P4.

anyhow, have you by any chance run across a v-mod for the new 1950Pro's PCB's that use capacitors in place of the VRM's? After I snag a better cooler, I was wanting to push this card further, but info is hard to find.

[mitsirfishi]

p4's where like as much failure as the geforce fx5xxx series i know owners are going to hate me ;P have you tried editing by bios and raising it like that ive seen one for the x1950gt which is the same

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2434628

bottem of page...

[imperialreign]

I believe the PCB's are similar, but I think the 512MB boards are a bit different of a setup than hte 256MB PCB. I don't have the lines of mosfets on the back of the card, either.

I've messed with the BIOS some, but only with the DRAM timings. RaBit doesn't recognize a voltage table in the BIOS, not sure if it's locked or something. I considered trying a BIOS from a similar 256MB card (like a Sapphire or HIS) that has the v-table accessable, and see if that works. It's worth a shot . . .

I've heard these cards are overvolt protected, though, and that needs to be defeated before vmodding. I might be wrong, though . . .

[mitsirfishi]

yes you could try my asus one

[imperialreign]

your card has the capacitors in place of the VRMs, right? More than willing - although, I can't try it out till after I get my P5W mobo back :(

I'm not willing to swap all my hardware to a smaller, bottlenecked mobo. I'm running on the workhorse right now.

[mitsirfishi]

http://files.filefront.com/asus+x1950pro+640+by820+1nbin/;8587714;/fileinfo.html

there is my bios dump of one of my cards other his is on one of the other threads but has no voltage options on the his one

[imperialreign]

cool! I appreciate it, man! I'll go ahead and try it as soon as I can.

[Craigleberry]

It's only a matter of time until we talk you into overclocking. lol

It is taking me ages to get the parts together..
I have a WD 320 Sata2 HDD coming
Sata Asus DVD Burner coming.
Then the c2d
Then the X1950 512mb
Then call micro$oft to re activate windowz.
I am too scared to Overclock I blew up (fried cpu) my very first build AMD 2700+
I was mucking around in the bios with the voltages and cranked it up too far me thinks after that no post no dispaly nothing. I was pretty peeved at the time as I only built a week before.:banghead:

[Widjaja]

*cough* so can amd's get over 9k in 06 with x1950pro's in cf :pimp: ive done it not a problem :ohwell:

LOL!
Wonder why I thought you had a C2D. . . .:wtf:
I was refering to your bench in my previous post saying you had a C2D.

I think my bro OC'd his E6600 to 2.9 and scored over 9800 with his GTX in vista ultimate.
Yep it's still a resource hog.

[Craigleberry]

Hey Widjaja have you had any issues with your x1950?

[tkpenalty]

It should work. Generic X1950PRO bioses usually are what you should use though.

[Widjaja]

Hey Widjaja have you had any issues with your x1950?

No graphical issues.
Just performance issues in some games, not with frames but with subtle pausing when something comes into view or when alot of sturctures are being rendered at one time can cause pausing.

Otherwise the card has been fine, of course runs hot as Rev.1 Sapphire X1950pros do but I don't overclock the card.
Everything is stock including settings.
Gets to 78deg easy in stalker and NFSC, only time I can hear the fan kicking into gear.
Other games get the card to 76deg.
Idling at 50deg at the moment, usually 45 or less but it's getting to summer over here and room temps are a fair few degrees higher than usual, my CPU temps are up a couple of degrees too.

Never know the future though.

[Craigleberry]

Reason I ask is that I am thinking of getting the PCIE version. Maybe even two of em

[Widjaja]

Well Sapphire do have thier rep to uphold and they don't have a problem with RMA's.
I have had a chat with one guy owning a Rev2 X1950pro (has 1950GT cooler and vrm h/s) and his temps reached 48deg max in one game although somewhere in this forum someone has a rev2 card but it doesn't seem to have the separate heatsink for the VRMs the rev2 usually has and is saying the cooling is no better than the rev1 card.

I might stick to Sapphire with my next rig.
Just going to keep this one until I can get my hands on an AMD phenom setup for a good price if it pwns the newer intel chips.

[tkpenalty]

Sapphires are great guys... the new ones at least. Craig, you WILL get the REV.2 these days, it is unlikely you will find any REV.1 cards remaining. Sapphire's X1950PROs are hotcakes (haha pun).

Widjaja, the X1950GT is DIFFERENT to the X1950PRO. X1950GT uses capacitors instead of VRM chips. Moreover it uses an inferior cooler. Craigle, grab the two X1950PROs from sapphire, if you upgrade the cooling i can tell you WILL get a good overclock. Sapphire is Tier 1.

[imperialreign]

It should work. Generic X1950PRO bioses usually are what you should use though.

Curious . . . was that aimed at my conversation?

[tkpenalty]

Yes it was :)

[Craigleberry]

I got my Card back from RMA today I am not gonna O/C or anything as It's getting sold. They sent me a brand new one.

[Widjaja]

Widjaja, the X1950GT is DIFFERENT to the X1950PRO. X1950GT uses capacitors instead of VRM chips. Moreover it uses an inferior cooler. Craigle, grab the two X1950PROs from sapphire, if you upgrade the cooling i can tell you WILL get a good overclock. Sapphire is Tier 1.

TK checkout the pic of tigger's X1950pro.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=39338&page=7
No heatsink or no VRMs on this pro?
Cooler looks alot like the GT's.

Craigle,
Yeah I don't think you can go wrong with Sapphire's latest editions as long as they're X1950pros or XT/X's or a HD2900XT.
Actually how much more would one 2900XT cost than two X1950pro's over in Aus?
Prices are a bit steeper over here and is sometimes cheaper buying from Aus.

[Craigleberry]

I can get x1950 pro saphire 256mb for 250.00 aus
I can get hd2900 xt for around 550.00 aus
I cant find any PCIE Saphire's with 512mb
I was going to get a 2900 but funds have just about reached the limit.
I hate money you can never get enough of it! Niether can my ex missus! :laugh:
Thanks for the advice coz when it comes to this sort of thing I always seem to get the crap.:rockout:

[imperialreign]

Yes it was

Thought so, just wanted to make sure cause it seemed like such an odd post admidst all the others back there :laugh:

[Widjaja]

I don't think there's only a few fps improvement with the 512, although having more vram is supposed to make the card handle higher res too.
Ex'es and money, fortunatley for me I haven't come across any leeches.
Last one was only good in the sack.
Had nothing in common and was like a mute when my mates came over so I had to send her packing.
Anyway. . . .

My next upgrade will be either a evga 8800GTS or a Sapphire HD2900XT.
I mean my bro's evga8800GTX is just overkill so far and his rig still pauses in games like Stalker and Oblivion.

Is it me or are the locations on the map for stalker really crap.
I go to the destination and the people I'm supposed to meet aren't even there sometimes.

[tkpenalty]

TK checkout the pic of tigger's X1950pro.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=39338&page=7
No heatsink or no VRMs on this pro?
Cooler looks alot like the GT's.

Craigle,
Yeah I don't think you can go wrong with Sapphire's latest editions as long as they're X1950pros or XT/X's or a HD2900XT.
Actually how much more would one 2900XT cost than two X1950pro's over in Aus?
Prices are a bit steeper over here and is sometimes cheaper buying from Aus.

Rev.1 PRO, crappy aluminium fin cooler.
http://www.quate.net/archive/temp/e6600/9.jpg
Rev.2 X1950GT/PRO = http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2007/0130/sapphire01.jpg
Rev.3 PRO = Same cooler (visually, more copper), except aluminium heatsink where capacitors and choke coil is located.

Two X1950PROs are cheaper than one HD2900XT.

[Wile E]

Two X1950PROs are cheaper than one HD2900XT.But don't perform as well, or do DX10. No saying the 1950s are bad, but throwing the facts out there.

[tkpenalty]

But don't perform as well, or do DX10. No saying the 1950s are bad, but throwing the facts out there.

I didnt say anything about peformance in that statement i just made. I said the price. Of COURSE 1 HD2900XT will blow a X1950PRO CF setup out of the water, Crossfire for X1950PROs is redundant unless you already have another X1950PRO and a crossfire motherboard.

[Wile E]

I didnt say anything about peformance in that statement i just made. I said the price. Of COURSE 1 HD2900XT will blow a X1950PRO CF setup out of the water, Crossfire for X1950PROs is redundant unless you already have another X1950PRO and a crossfire motherboard.I know, I was just throwing it out there in case anyone had any doubts. Wasn't trying to undermine you in any way.

[mitsirfishi]

yer the 2900xt should rape my x1950's in cf but they can give a match for the 8800gts320 in quiet a few games and that its just picky with drivers and overclocking at times...

[Craigleberry]

Thanks for all the help.
I wish I could afford the hd2900.

[Craigleberry]

Ex'es and money, fortunatley for me I haven't come across any leeches.
Last one was only good in the sack.
Had nothing in common and was like a mute when my mates came over so I had to send her packing.

lol you are lucky I just had a letter in the mail from the child support agency wanting money for a kid I didnt know existed! Talk about dropping a bomb crickey I am already paying for two of em. Dont get me wrong I love my kids but this shiela is only after one thing MONEY!:banghead:

[imperialreign]

lol you are lucky I just had a letter in the mail from the child support agency wanting money for a kid I didnt know existed! Talk about dropping a bomb crickey I am already paying for two of em. Dont get me wrong I love my kids but this shiela is only after one thing MONEY!

damn, that suckurz, man - unless you're 100% defi, you might want to call for DNAtyical proof.

Thankfully, I've been lucky and don't have any kids, yet. I couldn't afford them anyhow - still paying too much on medical and dental bills from years ago.

[Wile E]

lol you are lucky I just had a letter in the mail from the child support agency wanting money for a kid I didnt know existed! Talk about dropping a bomb crickey I am already paying for two of em. Dont get me wrong I love my kids but this shiela is only after one thing MONEY!:banghead:
I know how you feel. $650/mo in child support here.

[peach1971]

still paying too much on medical and dental bills from years ago.
Just reminds me of "SICKO" and that I luckily live in a "Socialist Health Care System". :cool:

Btw. (topic related):
Did anyone notice that Lavalys Everest now supports monitoring VRM temp?

[tkpenalty]

Nice front page morons got the HD2950PRO thread locked up! Nice! Now i dont have anywhere to discuss it.

[Craigleberry]

damn, that suckurz, man - unless you're 100% defi, you might want to call for DNAtyical proof.

Thankfully, I've been lucky and don't have any kids, yet. I couldn't afford them anyhow - still paying too much on medical and dental bills from years ago.

I have said there is no way it is mine so she has to prove it in the way os a dna test. If the child is mine I have to pay back pay and for the test. Why wasnt I born a female I would be rich by now!

[tkpenalty]

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-09-21/1190364879861.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-09-21/1190365090166.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-09-21/20070921_77a0d9132439e21e6e87XYko1Q3hdcZQ.jpg

Discuss about it here, since some immature individuals made the front page closed. Nevertheless, any nonsense and I'll snap on ya. Anyway, HD2950PRO.... die shrink, smaller cooler, you could say this IS a DX10 X1950PRO. Moreover, since its only 55nm, the cooling used, that is pictured does not have to be so powerful. However.... I spot VRMs, watch out guys!

One more thing, same PCB length, and i do think its possible to install an AcceleroX2 on this, well if they get rid of those capacitors above the fan that is.

EDIT: It is genuine, please do not whatsoever discuss that is is a fake. It pisses me off that when I want to post something in those threads i find them locked.

[Darknova]

Mmm, me likey...now if only I had 2 16x PCI-E slots I'd get two of those bad boys and CF them :D

[imperialreign]

odd how similar it looks to a 1950, makes me wonder if it is a 1950, just with a different core and a few more electrical components . . .

[tkpenalty]

odd how similar it looks to a 1950, makes me wonder if it is a 1950, just with a different core and a few more electrical components . . .

Yeah I noticed that, but it isnt the same card. I am guessing it uses less power in whole, or is more efficent. 55nm will run very cool though :)

[Wile E]

EDIT: It is genuine, please do not whatsoever discuss that is is a fake. It pisses me off that when I want to post something in those threads i find them locked.While I'm stoked at the prospect of this card, you can't really qualify that statement, short of seeing and testing it with your own eyes. Let's just wait till it's official.

[tkpenalty]

While I'm stoked at the prospect of this card, you can't really qualify that statement, short of seeing and testing it with your own eyes. Let's just wait till it's official.

Even if its fake, keep it to yourself. In regards to what the moderators wished for.

[Wile E]

Even if its fake, keep it to yourself. In regards to what the moderators wished for.Ummm, the mods never said anything about not being allowed to say it's fake. But whatever, I'll leave it at that.

[tkpenalty]

Ei guys... I'll warn you early... VRM ALERT!

[imperialreign]

I kind of wonder, though, if the HD-PRO won't support hardware monitoring like many of the 1950 PRO's. Unless you snag a tier 1 card, it seems that all the others and just plug 'n go, like they're aimed at people that wouldn't even have any interest in OCing or tweaking them.

Like, for instance, a lot of the newer 1950 PRO's on the market - I find it amazing how many of even the tier 2 cards look exactly the same except they're branded differently (the ATI, VisionTek, Diamond are exactly the same). It's like ATI recently has been making all their hardware idiot-proof, unless you fork the extra cash for a "performance" model.

[tkpenalty]

tier 1 card....Sapphire. Thing is lower tier cards use better cooling to affirm better quality, then the ultra low tier cards just use normal or inferior cooling. One thing to note though, VRM!

[imperialreign]

yeah, kinda surprised by that considering the hoopla the 1950 PRO's had with VRMs. Somehow, I get the feeling that the VRM route is cheaper to manufacture than using an ass-load of capacitors.

[tkpenalty]

yeah, kinda surprised by that considering the hoopla the 1950 PRO's had with VRMs. Somehow, I get the feeling that the VRM route is cheaper to manufacture than using an ass-load of capacitors.

Yeah it certainly is.. and more compact. Since AMD uses a large ring bus memorly layout...the PCB would be huge if the X1950PRO used capacitors, standard chokes and standard mofsets,

[Wile E]

I don't like the power connector placement. Seems they're back to the old style, which could interfere with some people's hard drive layouts in smaller cases. I had that issue with my old mid-tower and X1800

[imperialreign]

I don't like the power connector placement. Seems they're back to the old style, which could interfere with some people's hard drive layouts in smaller cases. I had that issue with my old mid-tower and X1800

I hear that, my mid-tower is a little tight tween the power connector and the HDD slots. I've only got about 1.5" space. In my mATX eMachines case, space was TIGHT. I'm surprised I managed any decent airflow with how long the 1950 is.

Yeah it certainly is.. and more compact. Since AMD uses a large ring bus memorly layout...the PCB would be huge if the X1950PRO used capacitors, standard chokes and standard mofsets,

there are some other chips on my 1950 PRO that I can't remember their purpuse right off the top of my head, all on the backside of the card. They have something to with power management, but they're not VRMs.

[tkpenalty]

They are mofsets.

[Widjaja]

That HD2950pro PCB has sort of a burnt look to it.

Okay what's the difference between a tier 1 & 2 card and how can you tell what teir card you have.
I don't know what mine is supposed to be.

[tkpenalty]

That HD2950pro PCB has sort of a burnt look to it.

Okay what's the difference between a tier 1 & 2 card and how can you tell what teir card you have.
I don't know what mine is supposed to be.

Tier 1, Sapphires are tier 1, you will find that sapphires tend to be the better overclockers on good cooling.

[imperialreign]

I thought HIS, ASUS and Gigabyte also filled out the Tier 1 lineup?

Okay what's the difference between a tier 1 & 2 card and how can you tell what teir card you have

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Tier 2 cards would be like ATI, VisionTek, MSI

I think the tier setup revolves around the cards inherent performance (whether it comes OC, tweaked, performance cooled, etc) and price.

[niko084]

You know to be honest in the games I play, my new 2600xt gddr4 @ 850/1150 is FASTER than my old 256mb Sapphire 1950pro.... Not by much but by a bit...

That system runs in 1280x1024
Games-
CS:S
Vegas
SupCom
Neverwinter 2
Warcraft 3

PS- anyone get any solid info on a 2650xt or 2700/2800?
Something like the 2600 but with 256bit ram.. If that comes out my 1950's are gone...

[tkpenalty]

You know to be honest in the games I play, my new 2600xt gddr4 @ 850/1150 is FASTER than my old 256mb Sapphire 1950pro.... Not by much but by a bit...

That system runs in 1280x1024
Games-
CS:S
Vegas
SupCom
Neverwinter 2
Warcraft 3

PS- anyone get any solid info on a 2650xt or 2700/2800?
Something like the 2600 but with 256bit ram.. If that comes out my 1950's are gone...

HD2950PRO will be its replacement. HD2600XT? Yes at your clocks nonetheless its faster, but how many GDDR4 HD2600XTs can manage that speed anyway?

[niko084]

HD2950PRO will be its replacement. HD2600XT? Yes at your clocks nonetheless its faster, but how many GDDR4 HD2600XTs can manage that speed anyway?

It's actually not much of an overclock, in fact I bought the card clocked this high...

[munuz]

my set up is

Q6600
Asus P5K-E
2G Kingston Hyper X
2 x 160G Sata II Raided
2 x Xpertvision 512mb HD2900XT's
Top power 1200W Powertrain PSU


Im getting around 12200 on 3D mark 06,

any suggestions on how to pull a bigger score?
vid cards run like an oven...... and can be loud..

[Wile E]

You can overclock. That score does seem a bit low tho. I get 11k with one 2900XT 512MB @ 847core/999mem, on a 3.4GHz AMD X2 cpu.

[munuz]

i have thought of that... but i am running vista ultimate...... ATItool doesnt exactly agree with it and the auto overclock tool in CCC isnt worth the hassle.... it makes the card heat up way to much... i can pretty much cook food in the case when they are clocked.......

[Wile E]

What about cpu?

[munuz]

it is clocked... running 3g per core.. and still not performing... im thinking it might be vista.....

[Wile E]

it is clocked... running 3g per core.. and still not performing... im thinking it might be vista.....Software was my next guess. Do you have the latest drivers, and latest DX installed?

[munuz]

Yeah i have Catalyst 7.9..(even though that was a problem in itself) all drivers for all parts are up to date.... bios for board is aswell... i think if i could get atitools to run and change the fan speed i wouldn't have a prob...

[Wile E]

Yeah i have Catalyst 7.9..(even though that was a problem in itself) all drivers for all parts are up to date.... bios for board is aswell... i think if i could get atitools to run and change the fan speed i wouldn't have a prob...Are you on x64 Vista?

[tkpenalty]

Hey guys with HD2600XTs, do me a favour.

Run your HD2600XTs with ANY driver that suits you. Buy/Download (...) Need for Speed carbon. Use FRAPS to record framerates. Anyway, run under these settings.

In game settings:

-Resolution 1280x1024
-4xAA
-Antiso Filtering (Make sure its NOT forced, game settings)
-High World Detail
-High Car Reflection update
-High road reflection detail
-High car detail
-Particle System ON
-Motion Blur OFF
-Vsync OFF

Driver level settings

Anti Aliasing: Application level
Antistropic Filtering: Application level
AI: Standard
Mipmap: Max
Vsync: OFF

My X1950PRO gets about 40~50 FPS. Do the palmont university run as well (fortuna). This will see if the HD2600XT lives up to its perf claim. ALSO post if you have a GDDR4 model and the clocks as well. I expect VERY LOW minimal frame rate, but extremely high max frame rate.

[Widjaja]

TK
Do you think the HD2600's are going to have a laggy look in the busy areas in Carbon?
I think one of the places that can possibly make frames drop is going past the Dinosaur.
There's two other places I can think of but I can't say th location.
I know one is a pink building/archway in the stacked deck area.

[tkpenalty]

TK
Do you think the HD2600's are going to have a laggy look in the busy areas in Carbon?
I think one of the places that can possibly make frames drop is going past the Dinosaur.
There's two other places I can think of but I can't say th location.
I know one is a pink building/archway in the stacked deck area.

No the MOST stressing place is on that palmont university circuit where you cut into the parks with the S shortcuts...why? Vegetation. End of story. Try on maximum, the HD2600PRO is BOUND to become a slideshow card there.

[t_ski]

Hey guys, as a member of the club who hasn't had much to ask about, I now find myslef with an issue and would like your input on my Sapphire HD2900XT. I woke this morning to find small green artifacts in banner ads and pics (2D stuff - I didn't dare try any games). The only time I have ever seen anything like this was when I fried the core on my Radeon 8100 by overclocking it waaaaaaayyy too high. This card has not been overclocked any more than the Overdrive settings will allow, and the settings were reset to defaults immediately after testing.

The first thing I did was reboot the system and fortunately that seems to have corrected it, but I know when I had the issue before that it got worse and worse. Looking at the temp in the CCC panel it's sitting at 59 degrees C using the stock cooler. It's been pretty hot the past few days, and the wife (who's paying the bill right now) won't turn on the AC.

Any thoughts here? Has anyone seen anything like this?

[niko084]

Hey guys with HD2600XTs, do me a favour.

Run your HD2600XTs with ANY driver that suits you. Buy/Download (...) Need for Speed carbon. Use FRAPS to record framerates. Anyway, run under these settings.

In game settings:

-Resolution 1280x1024
-4xAA
-Antiso Filtering (Make sure its NOT forced, game settings)
-High World Detail
-High Car Reflection update
-High road reflection detail
-High car detail
-Particle System ON
-Motion Blur OFF
-Vsync OFF

Driver level settings

Anti Aliasing: Application level
Antistropic Filtering: Application level
AI: Standard
Mipmap: Max
Vsync: OFF

My X1950PRO gets about 40~50 FPS. Do the palmont university run as well (fortuna). This will see if the HD2600XT lives up to its perf claim. ALSO post if you have a GDDR4 model and the clocks as well. I expect VERY LOW minimal frame rate, but extremely high max frame rate.

Downloading now... I think you guys highly underestimate the 2600xt....
So far for me my 2600xt gddr4 outruns my old 1950pro in everything I have played on it, not by a lot but a bit.

[p_o_s_pc]

No the MOST stressing place is on that palmont university circuit where you cut into the parks with the S shortcuts...why? Vegetation. End of story. Try on maximum, the HD2600PRO is BOUND to become a slideshow card there.

my 7900GS about becomes a slide show in some spots with everything maxed out at stock speeds but OCed it doesn't.

[niko084]

Okay here we go-

I don't own it so I ran the races in the demo, *no performance patches*.
Machine-
Intel D 915 @ 2.8
2 gigs Ram
2600xt GDDR4

Low 38
High 46
Normal - stayed right around 40ish


If you can run the demo and see what ya get might get a little more info then.

[imperialreign]

The first thing I did was reboot the system and fortunately that seems to have corrected it, but I know when I had the issue before that it got worse and worse. Looking at the temp in the CCC panel it's sitting at 59 degrees C using the stock cooler. It's been pretty hot the past few days, and the wife (who's paying the bill right now) won't turn on the AC.

Any thoughts here? Has anyone seen anything like this?

Well, aside from the obvious, which would be to just leave the PC off unless you need it, and in which case I doubt you're wanting to do that . . .

Water cooling is the second obvious answer, but that can be expensive . . .

Not sure what is supported by whatever software with the HDs - you can try to see if ATi Tray Tools, ATiTool or RivaTuner can pick up on any hardware/fan monitoring on the card. In which case, you can turn adjust the fan:temp table so the fan will start spinning harder at lower temps.

If that doesn't work - RaBit might be able to read the BIOS (not sure on this), and you can manually adjust the fan:temp table and re-flash the GPU BIOS.

Another option, unless you've already done so . . . plug all your case fans into the PSU connectors, use the 3-pin to 4-pin cable adapters if need be. The fans will move a ton more air when connected to straight power as compared to being controlled by the mobo BIOS. Only downfall here, is they tend to be a lot louder, and they will be spinning at 100% (shorter fan life, although running them at 100% for a few days or weeks won't do much harm).

[p_o_s_pc]

Okay here we go-

I don't own it so I ran the races in the demo, *no performance patches*.
Machine-
Intel D 915 @ 2.8
2 gigs Ram
2600xt GDDR4

Low 38
High 46
Normal - stayed right around 40ish


If you can run the demo and see what ya get might get a little more info then.

Is it a cely or a Pd

[Widjaja]

No the MOST stressing place is on that palmont university circuit where you cut into the parks with the S shortcuts...why? Vegetation. End of story. Try on maximum, the HD2600PRO is BOUND to become a slideshow card there.

Oh the place with the hairpin at the end.
My X1950pro does well through that area unexpectedly.
NFSMW has a short sharp s-bend west of the university which turns into a slideshow and there's alot of trees on eitherside with shadows everywhere.

Interesting to see how it plays though on HD2600XT's though.
In PCpowerplay a Sapphire 2600XT 256 GDDR4 scored 5285 in 06, around the same as a X1950pro.

[t_ski]

Well, aside from the obvious, which would be to just leave the PC off unless you need it, and in which case I doubt you're wanting to do that . . .

Water cooling is the second obvious answer, but that can be expensive . . .

Not sure what is supported by whatever software with the HDs - you can try to see if ATi Tray Tools, ATiTool or RivaTuner can pick up on any hardware/fan monitoring on the card. In which case, you can turn adjust the fan:temp table so the fan will start spinning harder at lower temps.

If that doesn't work - RaBit might be able to read the BIOS (not sure on this), and you can manually adjust the fan:temp table and re-flash the GPU BIOS.

Another option, unless you've already done so . . . plug all your case fans into the PSU connectors, use the 3-pin to 4-pin cable adapters if need be. The fans will move a ton more air when connected to straight power as compared to being controlled by the mobo BIOS. Only downfall here, is they tend to be a lot louder, and they will be spinning at 100% (shorter fan life, although running them at 100% for a few days or weeks won't do much harm).

Yeah, I ended up turning off the PC after dinner, but the PC normally runs 24/7. I have all the case fans attached to fan controllers, so there's no need to worry there. I also decided it would be best to clock the CPU back down to stock, since it was adding almost another 10C to the CPU temp, and the hot air was just being exhausted into the case. Finally I decided to reinstall the VGA exhaust fan that came with the case as a way to help get even more hot air out of the system.

I still have not seen anymore green artifacts (knock on wood), but I did have some issues in Photoshop where the image was just blanking out on me while trying to select. Another reboot seemed to cure that and I was able to finish up some work. That was the whole deal - I needed to finish up some new content for you guys, but I was afraid I killed my card... :(

[imperialreign]

you could always try and setup "idle" clock speeds - bring your core and mem clocks down 5-10% for when the rig is at idle or only doing menial desktop tasks (i.e. not running videos, gaming, 3D rendering, etc.). I'd think it should be alright in photoshop at lower clock speeds, anyhow, as it's the CPU that does a lot of the leg work there . . .

Hell, you could even go a step further and use ATT or ATiTool to setup program profiles where it would bring the GPU clocks back up to normal or OC when certain programs are running.

[tkpenalty]

Okay here we go-

I don't own it so I ran the races in the demo, *no performance patches*.
Machine-
Intel D 915 @ 2.8
2 gigs Ram
2600xt GDDR4

Low 38
High 46
Normal - stayed right around 40ish


If you can run the demo and see what ya get might get a little more info then.

:p Piracy rules. Nah anyway, what settings though? Same settings right? The demo will run faster though... so we dont really know. I'll downclock my CPU as well as install the demo and see.

[Wile E]

Yeah, I ended up turning off the PC after dinner, but the PC normally runs 24/7. I have all the case fans attached to fan controllers, so there's no need to worry there. I also decided it would be best to clock the CPU back down to stock, since it was adding almost another 10C to the CPU temp, and the hot air was just being exhausted into the case. Finally I decided to reinstall the VGA exhaust fan that came with the case as a way to help get even more hot air out of the system.

I still have not seen anymore green artifacts (knock on wood), but I did have some issues in Photoshop where t