Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

[tkpenalty]

2001st post :)

[tkpenalty]

Ok, I was having a discussion with a friend of mine. He's a big green fanboi. I go for whatever is best for the price. I was explaining how for the price the 2900Pro is better, as I can get a Pro for £150, and the cheapest 8800GTS 320Mb is £170....am I right? I've read one review on the Pro but it never gave any figures. I know the recent driver updates have done wonders for the 2900XT, but how much better is it? Does it now compete with the GTX, or is it still in GTS 640 territory?

For the price I would think the Pro would beat the GTS 320, being just an underclocked XT, but is it?

And I understand this is the HD2k clubhouse, but please, no fanboi answers.

HD2900PRO > 8800GTS320MB so badly... 8800GTS320MB has those random stutters in many games not to mention.

[Wile E]

2001st post :)I saw your edit. Na-na-na-na-na-na. :p :laugh:

[tkpenalty]

I saw your edit. Na-na-na-na-na-na. :p :laugh:

:cry::cry::cry:

DAMN YOU IMPERIALREIGN T_____T. Anyway...HD2950PRO, turns out that it is made in the similar dimensions to a X1950PRO... I like the stock cooling, it sort of represents the X1950PRO's stock one (the ATI original version, not the sapphire aluminium cooler faliure). Man...this card is going to be on my christmas wishlist.

[eidairaman1]

i honestly dont care what material the heatsink is, as long as i dont have to buy one just to keep it cool in stock conditions.

[mitsirfishi]

well maybe you should because using different materials affect your temps

[Widjaja]

HD2950PRO, turns out that it is made in the similar dimensions to a X1950PRO... I like the stock cooling, it sort of represents the X1950PRO's stock one (the ATI original version, not the sapphire aluminium cooler faliure)

Sapphire X1950pro 512MB Rev 1
82 deg max load in 30deg room temps.

So yeah not very good coolers and the reason why Sapphire stopped using them I'm guessing and probably right.
Card still going strong though.
Not one graphical issue or booting issue with it.

One thing I have noticed is the H/S has somewhat discoloured where it contacts with the 3 visible mem chips.

[Darknova]

HD2900PRO > 8800GTS320MB so badly... 8800GTS320MB has those random stutters in many games not to mention.

So what about the XT? What is it competing with now?

[eidairaman1]

ahem, thermalright has proven many wrong that aluminum is not an ideal cooling device.

[mitsirfishi]

look copper transfer heat quicker away but aliminuim dispences it quicker simple ? that is why cpu coolers have copper bases with aliminium fins so with some stock cooling solutions you see copper bases with aliminium top

[eidairaman1]

2950 Pro would be on my Xmas List if it was a AGP part, id pick one of those up instead of the X1950 Pro, as long as it runs off a 500 watt PSU.

[eidairaman1]

for a X1950 Pro my ideal cooler would be this, any other ideas? http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/main_product_hr03_Rev_A.htm

[mitsirfishi]

it will run no problems off a 500watt psu

[mitsirfishi]

the thermalright v2's are pretty good just pure copper then you get to put a fan on of choice in 80mm and 92mm cools x1900gt's down well :)

[tkpenalty]

for a X1950 Pro my ideal cooler would be this, any other ideas? http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/main_product_hr03_Rev_A.htm

Yes, but an AcceleroX2 would be the preferred option..

[mitsirfishi]

accelero s1 with fans ftw ;)

[eidairaman1]

really, i heard they dont perform that well, I wonder how much space is taken up with both coolers, as in my machine i have this motherboard http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/Product_Picture/LP%20NFII%20ULTRA%20B%20b.jpg

Currently with a 9800 Pro with AC VGA Silencer Rev 3 on it, i have a backup 10MBps PCI Lan Card installed in the first PCI Slot (tight fit)

[mitsirfishi]

why not just have it in teh bottem slot ? and leave more room for bigger vga cooler wouldnt that make more sense

[eidairaman1]

let me see, i like being able to use all my PCI Slots, and also it was an experiment i had enough room to put the card in that slot cause its shorter than any of the other cards in which doesnt block the fan on the VGA Silencer, and beyond that i intend on putting a old sound card (SB PCI 512) in for Music Conversion from MIDI to MP3/WAV, since the card renders MIDIs different than AC97 and XFi boards. Beyond that, i dont think i will change the cooling on the X1950 Pro, when ill be upgrading to a Core 2 System with a X2950 Pro or AMD AM2+ system with the same vid card, sound card wont be from Creative Labs, Probably Blue Gears, HT OMEGA or Auzentech.

[tkpenalty]

really, i heard they dont perform that well, I wonder how much space is taken up with both coolers, as in my machine i have this motherboard http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/Product_Picture/LP%20NFII%20ULTRA%20B%20b.jpg

Currently with a 9800 Pro with AC VGA Silencer Rev 3 on it, i have a backup 10MBps PCI Lan Card installed in the first PCI Slot (tight fit)

I would grab an AcceleroX2 instead... Thermalright HR-03 is too chunky and pretty much redundant.

[tkpenalty]

Updated members list, Have a good read of section 4a (rules and member conditions), and tell me if you ARENT in the club and you want to be. It takes a long time to fully edit the stuff just to let you know.

[Widjaja]

I would grab an AcceleroX2 instead... Thermalright HR-03 is too chunky and pretty much redundant.

Don't the HR-03's take up 3 PCI slots?
I think there was a thread in the video card section of TPU about this cooler being added to a Sapphire X1950pro.

I'd say Accelero X-2 even though the hot air blows towards the motherboard.
Think the second popular option people with X1950pro have chosen is the LED cooler from Zalman.

[eidairaman1]

ya Wile E referred me to this topic, but ya know what
it may appear that HIS has a California number i can call, probably next week ill give them a ring and see what they can do for me, if they grant me a RMA, i should have a new X1950 Pro (Hopefully a New Rev) by the next week, I may also decide to grab the Accelero X2 for kicks (Glad its not OTES =Increase Thermal temps with exhaust at bottom of case , prevents cool air from reaching CPU area thus increases temps by 3-5 degrees)

[tkpenalty]

Don't the HR-03's take up 3 PCI slots?
I think there was a thread in the video card section of TPU about this cooler being added to a Sapphire X1950pro.

I'd say Accelero X-2 even though the hot air blows towards the motherboard.
Think the second popular option people with X1950pro have chosen is the LED cooler from Zalman.

The exhaust from the Accelero is no means hot. Its barely warm... thats a common trait of heatpipe coolers that get rid of heat quickly. Nonetheless on an X1950PRO the fins wont get warm. The Exhaust from the acceleroX2 will do NOTHING to the motherboard fyi.

Simply put it this way, the X1950PRO is not an overclockable card generally, an AcceleroX2 is enough. a VF900CU would land you with needing to purchase heatsinks for the VRMs and performs the same pretty much... AcceleroX2 is cheap anyway. Grab it.

[eidairaman1]

what i am getting at is that boards that are DHES overall system temps do go up if you have a case with just front and back fans (fronts being at bottom up front and rear being up top at back, then combine DHES fan from graphics at PCI slot at bottom of case)

[FreedomEclipse]

can i join the club if i have a X1800XT? :(

[mitsirfishi]

lol it does say x1k & x2k :D meaning all of the ranges :)

[eidairaman1]

you freakin nut

[tkpenalty]

can i join the club if i have a X1800XT? :(

Yes.

you freakin nut

Ermm.,... what does that mean?

[Widjaja]

Ermm.,... what does that mean?

I think he's trying to get more stars.;)

[zekrahminator]

I'm tempted to vote 1 just to make you angry :).

[DaMulta]

I'm tempted to vote 1 just to make you angry :).

I can't do that

http://img.techpowerup.org/070927/vote.jpg

[tkpenalty]

I'm tempted to vote 1 just to make you angry :).

Ahem. Zek.

[newtekie1]

X2. 8600GTS> X1950PRO; slamming time!

Anyway apparently some people really think the 8600GTS > X1950PRO. Their argument is indirect and incompetent! X1950PRO CLEARLY is faster in most practical usages. 3D Mark 05/06 is NOT a viable way to really scope the performance of a GPU, Driver optimisations are ALWAYS the case. With a lower fillrate and everything else, it is the reason. Okay another argument, overclocking! Not EVERY consumer who purchases a GPU will overclock, moreover the stock cooling will completely prohibit any overclocking from being possible at all-you heard me NOT EVERYONE OVERCLOCKS. Moreover half of the Nvidia SKUs are completely tight arse against Overclocking (except for good old EVGA ), if you say that it wont explode or anything, think again. My friend said that, now all he has is a PCB with several capacitors ripped off and some smear of silicon.

Wow, if that isn't the biggest load of BS I have ever heard, I don't know what is.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Biostar/8600GTS_GDDR3/5.html

If you want to talk about practical usage, look at the 1280x1024 category, the most common resolution used today. The 8600GTS wins some and loses some, but in the end they are about even. The 8600GTS of course has the benefit for DX10, so in the end the 8600GTS is in fact better because of that one little thing. You are incompotent just because you are calling other incompotent when you don't know what they hell you are talking about.

An nVidia SKUs are tight against overclocking? Are you nuts? There are more pre-overclocked nVidia SKUs there there are even ATI SKUs on the market(probably an exageration).

You are so full of crap.

[tkpenalty]

Wow, if that isn't the biggest load of BS I have ever heard, I don't know what is.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Biostar/8600GTS_GDDR3/5.html

If you want to talk about practical usage, look at the 1280x1024 category, the most common resolution used today. The 8600GTS wins some and loses some, but in the end they are about even. The 8600GTS of course has the benefit for DX10, so in the end the 8600GTS is in fact better because of that one little thing. You are incompotent just because you are calling other incompotent when you don't know what they hell you are talking about.

An nVidia SKUs are tight against overclocking? Are you nuts? There are more pre-overclocked nVidia SKUs there there are even ATI SKUs on the market(probably an exageration).

You are so full of crap.

Right... The 8600GTS Costs more than a X1950PRO for your information. All you could have done was NICELY say it. Not Call me full of crap. What goes around comes around mate, and you're learning it the hard way newtekie. I thought you WOULD learn from your past experiences but NO. I repeat this.

The 8600GTS Costs more, and NOT EVERYONE overlclocks as I stated. I'm saying that the Nvidia SKUs dont fully utilise the card...we can EASILY push it to 800mhz (700s is enough to rape a X1950PRO). Another problem, stock cooling. Ive USED a 8600GTS before. Don't think I make CRAP up. The stock cooler is simply not sufficient, I couldnt push it really far (it was running hot anyway... 76*C wtf...). With a VF900CU bolted on.... it soared at 800mhz.

Be a bit more considerate for the GENERAL CONSUMER. Us enthusiasts are a MINORITY of the computer users. 8600GTS is a good card but has SOME flaws. You should learn some manners mate, go around like that in society and you'll find your head ripped off. As I just said you could have at least asked me POLITELY. I would have changed it but all thanks to your immaturity, I'll be immature towards you and leave it like that.

I wont be an arsehole and report you for that but, be warned, other people arennt so impressed of what you just blurted out.

UPDATED RULES: If there is anything wrong with the first page, please ask me through PMs, and DONT slander here. Thank you. Doing so in the future will result in me submitting a report.

[mitsirfishi]

well on the sheer basis of bang for buck x1950pro is £70 spend the extra £25-£30 and you can have a x1950xt which is roughly the same price as 8600gt a good gts is around the £140 marker personal opinion id still have the x1950pro over the 8600gts not because i purely own 2 of them and not because im on the ati wagon yes the 8600gts does have a couple of points dx10 one and shading the x1950pro in a few areas but simple fact it is it costs twice as much so in that review you showed where it pulls 4-5fps is it really worth spending that when you could simply oc the x1950 and make up the difference this always have and always will be a big debate over x1950's and 8600gts like the x1950 excels in shading heavy games because of its heavy shaderhorsepowers. 8600 is like the old 6600gt it grabs a few bits from the halfords show it sticks to it and quiet insane clock speeds

keep a cool head lads

[tkpenalty]

Err...guests....join TPU :p

[Widjaja]

Yeah I think nVidia do average or above averge in games while Ati does extremely well in some games and in others it just plain stinks.

But thats just my opinion.

[Darknova]

£130 for a 256Mb 8600GTS or £136 for a 512Mb 1950XT....hmm...

The 8600GTS just isn't an option in my opinion.

[ghost101]

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127242

8600GTS for £112 delivered

Ive seen them sell for £105 at dabs but currently theyre out of stock.

[Darknova]

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127242

8600GTS for £112 delivered

Ive seen them sell for £105 at dabs but currently theyre out of stock.

Crappy brand, seen many of those blow up....

Even so, Spend £20-30 more and get a 1950XT. DX10 just doesn't have enough games out to warrant getting a mid-range DX10 card over a high-end DX9.

[Darknova]

Sorry for double post but...

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1189/his_radeon_hd_2900_pro_512mb_early_test/index.html

Just in case no one has read it yet :)

[LiNKiN]

My want one so bombad! :D

[Darknova]

My want one so bombad! :D

Me too :D Got to upgrade my PSU first though lol.

[newtekie1]

Right... The 8600GTS Costs more than a X1950PRO for your information.

Really?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102061

The cheapest GOOD brand of each. There is a cheaper x1950Pro from Jetway, but I wouldn't put a Jetway floppy drive in my computer.

All you could have done was NICELY say it. Not Call me full of crap. What goes around comes around mate, and you're learning it the hard way newtekie. I thought you WOULD learn from your past experiences but NO. I repeat this.

Well once again, you are full of crap, that is my opinion, your opinion is that anyone that says the 8600GTS is better than the x1950Pro is "incompotent". If you want people to be nice, maybe you should be nice to them first? Calling people incompotent isn't exactly nice there, "mate".

The 8600GTS Costs more, and NOT EVERYONE overlclocks as I stated.

No, the 8600GTS doesn't cost more, unless you want a terrible x1950Pro brand, see above. Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Of course not everyone overclocks, the 8600GTS is a good overclocker, but it doesn't need to be to beat the x1950Pro, and there are ALOT of pre-overclocked 8600GTSs out there for people that don't want to do it themselves.

I'm saying that the Nvidia SKUs dont fully utilise the card...we can EASILY push it to 800mhz (700s is enough to rape a X1950PRO). Another problem, stock cooling. Ive USED a 8600GTS before. Don't think I make CRAP up. The stock cooler is simply not sufficient, I couldnt push it really far (it was running hot anyway... 76*C wtf...). With a VF900CU bolted on.... it soared at 800mhz.

The stock cooler is fine on the 8600GTS, I've used them too, don't think you are the only one who owns video cards around here. And 76C is more then acceptable for video cards, learn something before you speak.

UPDATED RULES: If there is anything wrong with the first page, please ask me through PMs, and DONT slander here. Thank you. Doing so in the future will result in me submitting a report.

Theres no slander here, once again you don't know what you are talking about. PLEASE, look up what slander is.

[Darknova]

*sigh* I'm sick of these fanboi fights. Newtekie don't come in here if all you are going to do is start a fight. Your arguement is sound, your attitude stinks. Both you and tk have valid points, but neither of you is 100% right.

TK, prices vary. Here in the UK the 8600GTS is most definately more expensive than the 1950Pro (by up to £50) but as newtekie pointed out in the US there are places that sell them for the same price, and on that account there is no point in going for a 1950Pro, the 1950Pro is NOT a league ahead of the 8600GTS, and it has DX10 support. The reference cooler on the 8600GTS IS shit, only the few that use aftermarket are worth considering IMO.

In the UK however the 8600GTS is NOT an option, the 1950Pro is cheaper everywhere, even the 512Mb variants, and DX10 just is not worth the extra money at the moment.

Please both of you, Calm down! Don't turn this in to a slagging match.

[zekrahminator]

I'm going to nicely ask both TKPenalty and Newtekie1 to drop this.

If either of you don't comply, I'm going to ban each of you the equal term of 2 days. And trust me when I say that reading these boards as a guest is no fun...

[zekrahminator]

Ahem. Zek.

It's all in good fun :p.

[FreedomEclipse]

lol it does say x1k & x2k :D meaning all of the ranges :)

well how come the X1800 isnt listed??? :( you have everything else but the X1800's so I was like uh you must really hate the X1800 series cards.... *cries*

[ghost101]

Crappy brand, seen many of those blow up....

Even so, Spend £20-30 more and get a 1950XT. DX10 just doesn't have enough games out to warrant getting a mid-range DX10 card over a high-end DX9.

Sorry but when did PoV become crappy? They are one nvidia's biggest brands. Besides its just an nvidia reference card with a PoV sticker. So its exactly the same as what XFX or eVGA use.

[Darknova]

Sorry but when did PoV become crappy? They are one nvidia's biggest brands. Besides its just an nvidia reference card with a PoV sticker. So its exactly the same as what XFX or eVGA use.

Since I watched my dad's 6800 burn and his first 7600GT blow up....

[ghost101]

Since I watched my dad's 6800 burn and his first 7600GT blow up....

Unless the reference cooler was changed oe PoV overclocked it, its nvidia's fault what happened. nvidia make the cards.

You can say that PoV has bad customer service or warranties, but you cant blame the cards since they dont make them.

[Darknova]

Unless the reference cooler was changed oe PoV overclocked it, its nvidia's fault what happened. nvidia make the cards.

You can say that PoV has bad customer service or warranties, but you cant blame the cards since they dont make them.

So the fact his XFX is fine, but every PoV he's ever owned has failed/burned/blown up means nothing?

[ghost101]

So the fact his XFX is fine, but every PoV he's ever owned has failed/burned/blown up means nothing?

In a sample of 2? No, it means absolutely nothing.

[ghost101]

let me give you a sample of at least 66. Only 2 people complained of it not working. Remember that people like to complain more than they praise a product.

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=0&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=106578

[mitsirfishi]

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127242

8600GTS for £112 delivered

Ive seen them sell for £105 at dabs but currently theyre out of stock.


ebuyer use to stock the x1950xt at £104.99 256mb but hey they clock like stink

512mb x1950pro's at ocuk for £76 bargins :) and they arnt crappy brands i asked the guy and he said they are sapphire branded so not a poor manufacture

[imperialreign]

:wtf: it's a pain in tha butt to convert pounds to dollars!!!

anyhow, round here, the shelf ATI X1950 PRO's are running in the $250 range. Seriously. The only reason I nabbed the one I did was the $10 off at the register, and the mail-in $70 rebate, which effectively slashed the price to $170, which wasn't too bad.

Considering the stock copper fansink, and the copper heat spreader on the back of the card - I still think it can manage a nice OC, but it's got to be modded. I've been happy with it, though . . .

. . . except for the fact that it doesn't support hardware temp monitoring or fan speed monitoring, and no 3rd party program can tweak the memory voltages or timings. It's pretty much an idiot-proof card.

[tkpenalty]

anyway i had to get off before i could post anything. I come back on the forums and look at zek's judgement as well as what newtekie posted, now Im really pissed. I get, racial insults and derogatory phrases thrown at me and he doesnt get a slap on his wrist! What the hell? Honestly...

Even if a 8600GTS costs the same as a X1950PRO in the US on newegg, the stock performance of the X1950PRO is faster by a bit. As other people said, the stock cooling of the 8600GTS makes it less overclockable by a significant amount.

ANd anyway...WHO started this? WHO made me lose my cool?

[ghost101]

ebuyer use to stock the x1950xt at £104.99 256mb but hey they clock like stink

512mb x1950pro's at ocuk for £76 bargins :) and they arnt crappy brands i asked the guy and he said they are sapphire branded so not a poor manufacture

Yes the x1950pros are £85 delivered and i never claimed that the 8600gts was better value than them. I was just showing how wrong darknova's post was.

[Widjaja]

ANd anyway...WHO started this? WHO made me lose my cool?

If you step down take, it up the backside and apologize for getting upset this silly dispute will probably sort itself out.

Only if your'e that way inclined.

[eidairaman1]

newtekie, you have just riled up trouble for this topic, i suggest not posting anything else unless if you want to be banned.

Wow, if that isn't the biggest load of BS I have ever heard, I don't know what is.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Biostar/8600GTS_GDDR3/5.html

If you want to talk about practical usage, look at the 1280x1024 category, the most common resolution used today. The 8600GTS wins some and loses some, but in the end they are about even. The 8600GTS of course has the benefit for DX10, so in the end the 8600GTS is in fact better because of that one little thing. You are incompotent just because you are calling other incompotent when you don't know what they hell you are talking about.

An nVidia SKUs are tight against overclocking? Are you nuts? There are more pre-overclocked nVidia SKUs there there are even ATI SKUs on the market(probably an exageration).

You are so full of crap.

[mitsirfishi]

here is my conclusion at the end of the day we do have these people who heavily bias towards ati/nvidia the x1950pro and 8600gts are both have really strong points and are great condenders where one is slower than the other in certain aspecs and the make up ground in other ways and with anything what is made there is always a flaw in someway like the x1950pro's dont overclock really great and the 8600gts doesnt do to brilliant in shader heavy games at the end of the day all they are are out there is to get you to buy there product :D you pay for what you get and you buy what suits your needs if you want a cheap but good dx9 card yes you would favour the x1950 but if your wanting dx10 then you would go for a 8600gts well the 2900pro is in the uk for £148 which is about the same price as a top end 8600gts so that has come into battle now

peace out : mitsirfishi

[tigger]

my 1950pro is a good one,was £125.it does 648mhz core and 777mhz mem fine with no mods.i have a vf900-cu on it.

i just beat my 3d06 score with my new p5k-premium board too :D

[Tatty_One]

IMO as soon as you discuss the 2 cards in the same breath, you are asking for trouble! They are not considered direct competition, it's not actually a Nvidia/Ati thing, you could be having similar discussions about the 1950pro and the 2600XT, your not because the 2600XT is left even farther behind (but I appreciate it is significantly cheaper)....Bottom line is that the 8600GTS is a DX10 card, DX10 games are now starting to hit the market, if you wanna play DX10 like now then the 8600 is the better option, in DX9 generally in real games the 1950pro is your better bet, my opinion (unbiased) is that the 1950pro has no future proofing, the 8600GTS has, in DX9 the 1950pro is better value but if you want a card to last you a year and in that year you want to play new games then the 8600GTS is the card to get (albeit in DX10 at low>mid res usually or higher with not too much candy). These comments are based on performance not manufacturer!

[tkpenalty]

I wasnt even talking about that in the article lol... i was saying something along the lines of "for bang for buck, DX9, for DX10 8600GTS IS FINE" I even highlight the good side; being a godlike overclocker. Is it a Old gen VS New gen war again...?

[tkpenalty]

Mitsifishi, tell us how your HD2900PRO Performs! :)

[mitsirfishi]

i ordered the 1gb ddr4 fat 2900pro with fast stripes :pimp: in :D along with a p5k-e and e6750 so ill tell you how i get on but i wont have the card for nearly up to 2 weeks *cries*:cry: but ill have my cpu and board to toture with my pro's for there final runs before they will be sold *cries* ledgends i might keep one for a idea i might have

[eidairaman1]

About freaking time, HIS finally sent a reply (5 days after the report i made) they have a Middle Company out of California called Lexy Pacific Corp (www.lexycomp.com) thats where the graphics cards get distrubuted from to all the e-tailers etc. I should be able to send the board out this coming week

[BlackDevilOR]

First of all, hi all and congrats on the thread :D
By next week i'll be in possesion of my MSI RX1950PRO - AGP :respect: and i've got some questions about it, maybe you coul help me clear them out ...
My sistem configuration will be as following:
CPU- AMD Athlon 3000+
RAM- 1.5GB DDR
HDD- WD 80GB 8mb buffer
- Seagate 500GB 16mb buffer
GPU- MSI RX1950PRO AGP
Optical drives: CD-RW and a DVD-rom
Power supply: 400W

Will my current PSU be able to take the load? Is there any program that can determinate this ?

I'll think about some more questions when i'm not this tired :P
Thanks in advance :toast:

[Craigleberry]

BlackDeviLoR..... Your PSU will most likely fail to supply your card with the power it needs under load. (correct me if I am wrong) It is printed on the specs for the x1950 that at least450W PSU is needed. I currently have a 470W Thermaltake which does the job for my x1950.

[BlackDevilOR]

Thanks for the fast reply :)
I really don't know what it specifies on the box because i don't have it yet :ohwell:
What could happen with the GPU under load if i where to continue useing my current PSU ? Reboot in the middle of the process ?

[Craigleberry]

I guess so... Freeze ups may be imminent. Or could be worse even the device may not start at all.
I have always gone with the recommended specs. I have not tried to start my card under powered.

[BlackDevilOR]

yea well i just found this ... http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=3122113

looks like i'm in the market for a cheap psu :laugh:

[imperialreign]

It doesn't hurt to give it a shot anyhow, the card only pulls the extra juice in 3D mode. It might be able function properly without any adverse effects, seeing as how I doubt your system will be under 100% PSU draw when the card goes into 3D.

If you do give it a shot with the 400W, and it's not enough, you should more than likely end up with the typical symptoms of a weak/inadequate PSU. Random lockups and system hangs, possible BSoD every now and then, the whole system just turning off, etc.

Still, though, it's usually better safe than sorry.

[Craigleberry]

A cheapy may let you down I would go for a good one. If you get a good one to begin with then you wont be doing it again for a while. :)

[imperialreign]

seconded!!

[DaMulta]

Anyone have some superAA 24x sceen shots?

[imperialreign]

24x is only with the HDs, right?

[DaMulta]

yes

[tkpenalty]

First of all, hi all and congrats on the thread :D
By next week i'll be in possesion of my MSI RX1950PRO - AGP :respect: and i've got some questions about it, maybe you coul help me clear them out ...
My sistem configuration will be as following:
CPU- AMD Athlon 3000+
RAM- 1.5GB DDR
HDD- WD 80GB 8mb buffer
- Seagate 500GB 16mb buffer
GPU- MSI RX1950PRO AGP
Optical drives: CD-RW and a DVD-rom
Power supply: 400W

Will my current PSU be able to take the load? Is there any program that can determinate this ?

I'll think about some more questions when i'm not this tired :P
Thanks in advance :toast:

Grab yourself a VX450W from Corsair on newegg. Very powerful PSU and an affordable price at the same time.

[The_Shady_1]

Here is my rig:http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/Dj3Dub/IMG_0628.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/Dj3Dub/IMG_0630.jpg
Sapphire x1950xt 256MB

[eidairaman1]

Well man with the HIS i had, They Recommended a 450 Watt that has 30 amps combined amperage for the rails.

First of all, hi all and congrats on the thread :D
By next week i'll be in possesion of my MSI RX1950PRO - AGP :respect: and i've got some questions about it, maybe you coul help me clear them out ...
My sistem configuration will be as following:
CPU- AMD Athlon 3000+
RAM- 1.5GB DDR
HDD- WD 80GB 8mb buffer
- Seagate 500GB 16mb buffer
GPU- MSI RX1950PRO AGP
Optical drives: CD-RW and a DVD-rom
Power supply: 400W

Will my current PSU be able to take the load? Is there any program that can determinate this ?

I'll think about some more questions when i'm not this tired :P
Thanks in advance :toast:

[eidairaman1]

shady, buy your self a roll of hook n loop tape and clean up that gaggle infront of the video card.

[tkpenalty]

Shady... fix up that mass of wires, also read the rules...

[eidairaman1]

my cable cleanup aint the best but its out of airflow path hehe Not bad for a case from 2001

[BlackDevilOR]

Well i took a picture of the label on my psu .. i see it's under the desired 30A of the x1950 :rolleyes:

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?470677ed60.jpg

btw: the Corsair VX450W is quite hard to get in my country and costs +100$ :twitch:
LE: Romania :ohwell:
LLE: i've found one for about 120$ ... it's quite over budget

[Wile E]

Well i took a picture of the label on my psu .. i see it's under the desired 30A of the x1950 :rolleyes:

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?470677ed60.jpg

btw: the Crosair VX450W is quite hard to get in my country and costs +100$ :twitch:

What country?

[mitsirfishi]

very untidy job there and stock heatsink on cpu err :P stock is not a option !!!!!

[Widjaja]

Well i took a picture of the label on my psu .. i see it's under the desired 30A of the x1950 :rolleyes:

btw: the Corsair VX450W is quite hard to get in my country and costs +100$ :twitch:
Romania :ohwell:
i've found one for about 120$ ... it's quite over budget

I was using a +12v/15a 450W PSU which was doing fine but out of safety I chose the enermax I have.

ATi Recommends +12v/30a for a fully loaded system.
e.g a system using all PCI slots, has alot of HDD's, couple of DVD writers etc. . . .

My rig runs fine with an Enermax which has 2x +12v/18a

[Widjaja]

very untidy job there and stock heatsink on cpu err :P stock is not a option !!!!!

Damn Shady 1 what a that mess!
Cable sleeving, heatshrink, cable ties and some electrical tape.
Stock H/S will be fine for stock CPU speeds. . . . .but thats it.
Probably get a little warm in the summer months even at stock speeds with the standard H/S.

I know my CPU does.

[BlackDevilOR]

Yea, i've been reading into this and i think i will try the card with my current PSU and if it starts acting up i'll buy a new one.
Can't wait untli it gets here :D (i've been running on a MX440 since my 9800PRO went bust)
I'll return with a update once i get it

[Wile E]

Damn Shady 1 what a that mess!
Cable sleeving, heatshrink, cable ties and some electrical tape.
Stock H/S will be fine for stock CPU speeds. . . . .but thats it.
Probably get a little warm in the summer months even at stock speeds with the standard H/S.

I know my CPU does.He has a 6000+. It comes with the opteron heatpipe cooler. I can attest the fact that it works perfectly fine at stock speeds. Overclocking is a no-no tho, like you said.

[Wile E]

Yea, i've been reading into this and i think i will try the card with my current PSU and if it starts acting up i'll buy a new one.
Can't wait untli it gets here :D (i've been running on a MX440 since my 9800PRO went bust)
I'll return with a update once i get itANd when you return with an update, if you have psu troubles, give us a price range, and a few links to shops that ship to your country, and we can help you find a new one.

[BlackDevilOR]

How about this one ? http://www.sirtec.com/HPC-460-P12S.php
Seems quite a bargain at about 50-60 $ and seems to supply enough juice.

[Wile E]

How about this one ? http://www.sirtec.com/HPC-460-P12S.php
Seems quite a bargain at about 50-60 $ and seems to supply enough juice.
31A on the 12v combined, but I can't find any info on the unit, such as the OEM manufacturer, or even any reviews, so I can't comment on it's reliability.

[tkpenalty]

That PSU would be sufficient. Honestly, I would instead grab a "Generic" PSU that is manufactured by seasonic, due to the fact that they are built under the same quality. However, I wouldnt cheap out on the PSU... if you can save up, hold off the X1950PRO and PSU for now, until you have enough funds for the VX450.

BlackDevilOR, add your system specs, go to your control panel, I just dont really like scrolling up and down continuosly to check for your system specifications.

[Wile E]

That PSU would be sufficient. Honestly, I would instead grab a "Generic" PSU that is manufactured by seasonic, due to the fact that they are built under the same quality. However, I wouldnt cheap out on the PSU... if you can save up, hold off the X1950PRO and PSU for now, until you have enough funds for the VX450.

BlackDevilOR, add your system specs, go to your control panel, I just dont really like scrolling up and down continuosly to check for your system specifications.FSP psus are also worth looking into.

[imperialreign]

for anyone interested, I ran across a thread on a different forum with some info on v-modding the capacitor lined newer PCBs used with the 1950 PRO's

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=130982

so far, this is the only info I've found on these PCB's as there seems to be quite a bit of difference between some of the brands, and the 1950 GT's. I might give this a bit of a shot next weekend, but if the most of that info in that thread is correct, it doesn't seem like the mid-range PRO's are all that tweakable compared to their tier 1 brethren.

[Lopez0101]

This is sort of a random question with the current flow but this seems odd to me. I hooked up my rig to my cousin's big HDTV and the max res was 1920x1280 so I figured I'd run 3DMark06, almost got 10K, was around 9700~. I remembered some other scores I got and did 1280x1024 4xAA and 8xAF and I get 5400~ and it didn't look quite as jaggie-less. Since more people have displays that don't run at res'es exceeding 1600x1200 why not make cards run faster with antialiasing rather than run better without it at higher resolutions?

Also, I'm running my rig on a 550W Xclio, I plan on upgrading to a 700 or 750W (I need a PSU for my other computer anyways) but I'm just wondering if the 550W is affecting the performance of my 2900XT or the system as a whole. I don't really think it is since I've yet to have any issues. Any thoughts?

[Craigleberry]

This is another random question but have ATI fixed the drivers yet for AGP X1950?

[mitsirfishi]

550watt should do the job aslong as you have strong 12v+ rails

[tkpenalty]

This is another random question but have ATI fixed the drivers yet for AGP X1950?

Yes... 7.9s fixed it up.

[Craigleberry]

Oh o.k I will give it a go.... I have heard of someone getting a blank screen after re-start with 7.9 drivers..with the HIS X1950 pro AGP Card.

[DaMulta]

OK guys what would happen if I ran the GDDR4 naked?

[BlackDevilOR]

That PSU would be sufficient. Honestly, I would instead grab a "Generic" PSU that is manufactured by seasonic, due to the fact that they are built under the same quality. However, I wouldnt cheap out on the PSU... if you can save up, hold off the X1950PRO and PSU for now, until you have enough funds for the VX450.

BlackDevilOR, add your system specs, go to your control panel, I just dont really like scrolling up and down continuosly to check for your system specifications.

Well the card has already been bought by a friend of mine in Germany. He'll bring it from there when he comes back home this Saturday...
I think i'll have a look around the city tomorrow and visit a couple of stores to see what PSU's they have in stock.

I added my system specs :)

btw ... what problems were there with the previous drivers for the agp x1950 ?

[mandelore]

OK guys what would happen if I ran the GDDR4 naked?

severe severe artifacting and ultimatley death.


please dont be mean to your new card ;)

[AphexDreamer]

severe severe artifacting and ultimatley death.


please dont be mean to your new card ;)

So does GDDR 4 run hotter then GDDR3 or are they practicly the same?

[DaMulta]

severe severe artifacting and ultimatley death.


please dont be mean to your new card ;)

They run GDDR3 naked


I wish the new cards were like this
http://i4.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/X1950XTX/images/unscrewed1_small.jpg

[mandelore]

They run GDDR3 naked


I wish the new cards were like this
http://i4.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/X1950XTX/images/unscrewed1_small.jpg

huh? on a 2900?? no.. there is a plate that goes over the ram chips....with that soft ram shit they always stick between em

[mandelore]

well just to say, even if you dont kill it, you wont be overclocking it anytime soon, better cooling allowed a much higher oc for me, so i imagine even without the stock cooling stock speeds or slightly above may be an issue..

[DaMulta]

I wish they did what they did with the X1950xtx. Have sep heatsinks for the ram.

[mandelore]

what appears to be the problem mate? are you moving to a non-stock cooler? or watercooling the gpu?

what about trying low profile ramsinks like zalman ones?

[DaMulta]

The block I have is just for the GPU. I hate the Zalman heatsinks...so I have spend more $$$$.

[tkpenalty]

Um DaMulta, the HD2900 doesnt require the ram plate to be removed... you can install the water block without removing the ram cooling. You only need to remove the plastic shield as well as the copper block. Nothing else.

[DaMulta]

Have any pics of that...I don't have the cards yet.

First one will be here tomorrow most likely.

[DOM]

Have any pics of that...I don't have the cards yet.

First one will be here tomorrow most likely.http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/HD2900/2900_Maze4.jpg


http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=31121

[DaMulta]

Sweet

[DaMulta]

Hell yea my block is going to work

http://img.techpowerup.org/071001/OEM_HS_Length237.jpg

http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/MCW60-T/MCW60-T-DIMENSIONS-640X543.gif

[Widjaja]

Oh o.k I will give it a go.... I have heard of someone getting a blank screen after re-start with 7.9 drivers..with the HIS X1950 pro AGP Card.

I think I read the thread at tech powerup too.
Then someone else said it has problems with AGP/Vista but not AGP/XP.

I installed 7.9cat about an hour ago and ran through NFSMW, NFSC, V8 Supercars 3, Dark Messiah and 3dmark06.
Appears even smoother in the Need for speed series, no noticable differences in the other two games.
3dmark06 went up from 5002 to 5004 with my rig at 2.45Ghz. . . . .yay.:rolleyes:

Not an impressive improvement but an improvement none the less.

[tkpenalty]

Haha... Oh well. And Da multa, if you remove that plate, consider that you will have to buy heaps of heatsinks for EVERY VRM chip... the Memory can run naked however. But honestly, its not worth removing it. I'd love to see some results though.

[DaMulta]

One of my friends forgot to put heat sinks on the VR(X1950Master) and it spit out a 1in flame and welded the card LOL

[tkpenalty]

One of my friends forgot to put heat sinks on the VR(X1950Master) and it spit out a 1in flame and welded the card LOL

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

[DaMulta]

I have just learned that the PROS have an aluminum heat sink instead of the copper one.

[tkpenalty]

they do? I doubt it, unless you got the card.

[Widjaja]

I have just learned that the PROS have an aluminum heat sink instead of the copper one.

I hope AMD/ATi aint going to start cheaping out after this hard year for them.:(
Last thing we all need is for AMD/ATi to call it quits.

There needs to be that competiton between Intel/nVidia and AMD/ATi to keep technology progressing.

[tkpenalty]

I highly doubt it. There was one source that stated this but that sorce got turned down REAL quick after many innacuracies it had in relation to the HD2900PRO. The HD2900PRO would absolutely fry if it was using an aluminium heatsink, it is simply not feasible if it did.

[eidairaman1]

Cough , its AMD/ATI vs Nvidia, AMD vs Intel, Nvidia vs Intel. Intel and ATI have gotten along since the Founding of ATI back in the 80s.
I hope AMD/ATi aint going to start cheaping out after this hard year for them.:(
Last thing we all need is for AMD/ATi to call it quits.

There needs to be that competiton between Intel/nVidia and AMD/ATi to keep technology progressing.

[Tatty_One]

I think I am going to be joining you TK, I reckon I am going to order a 2900XT, I have found one in the UK on special offer £50 cheaper than normal retail, thats like $100US cheaper and over here is not a great deal more than the Pro (about $40US). The Pro really does interest me but I dont think it will be as quick overclocked as the XT, I know it's very early days yet but the odd couple of things I have read suggests the Pro will overclock at least to XT stock speeds but not an aweful lot beyond, maybe I should wait until DaMulta gets his to find out!

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=421231

[eidairaman1]

Unless if a Revision 2 is released for the 2900 Pro and XT boards
I think I am going to be joining you TK, I reckon I am going to order a 2900XT, I have found one in the UK on special offer £50 cheaper than normal retail, thats like $100US cheaper and over here is not a great deal more than the Pro (about $40US). The Pro really does interest me but I dont think it will be as quick overclocked as the XT, I know it's very early days yet but the odd couple of things I have read suggests the Pro will overclock at least to XT stock speeds but not an aweful lot beyond, maybe I should wait until DaMulta gets his to find out!

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=421231

[DaMulta]

I highly doubt it. There was one source that stated this but that sorce got turned down REAL quick after many innacuracies it had in relation to the HD2900PRO. The HD2900PRO would absolutely fry if it was using an aluminium heatsink, it is simply not feasible if it did.

That's what was said at Rage3D...It's the first I have heard about it.

[Wile E]

I think I am going to be joining you TK, I reckon I am going to order a 2900XT, I have found one in the UK on special offer £50 cheaper than normal retail, thats like $100US cheaper and over here is not a great deal more than the Pro (about $40US). The Pro really does interest me but I dont think it will be as quick overclocked as the XT, I know it's very early days yet but the odd couple of things I have read suggests the Pro will overclock at least to XT stock speeds but not an aweful lot beyond, maybe I should wait until DaMulta gets his to find out!

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=421231$40 extra for the XT is worth it, imho. I say go for it.

[Tatty_One]

$40 extra for the XT is worth it, imho. I say go for it.

Yeah my thoughts, I just dont like 2nd guessing, I know the performance of the XT, I will wait a day or two I think for DaMulta's revelations on the Pro, but like I said, there is not a great deal of price difference in relation to this uber cheap XT I have found, downside is it's a 2 week delivery/turnaround time but hey I can wait.

[tkpenalty]

That's what was said at Rage3D...It's the first I have heard about it.

Oh that... No its incorrect. There was some flare up of some fact vs fiction war on another forum... apparently the source that says that the HD2900PRO uses an aluminium cooler was false. As in the information itself, I could tell they were only guesses. The source from memory claimed that the HD2900PRO would have a 256bit bus, and only needing one PCI-E connector. This is OBVIOUSLY false. It also mentioned the use of an aluminium cooler. However, from the HD2900PROs that are avaliable, I conclude that they are just downclocked and heavily underpriced HD2900XTs.

HD2900GT will be interesting however, with such a low pricetag of $199 USD. It apparently is a HD2900XT with one quad disabled... interesting, So from 16x2, ROP, 16 TU, 320 Shaders, down to 12x2 ROP, 12TU, 24 Shaders. Err I'm guessing that the core will be laser cut however.

Rant:

One thing that is sort of odd however, the HD2950PRO's RV670 is apparently supposed to be 55nm, and the apparent competitor, the 8800GT having a process of 65nm... Well if we put it into last gen's prespective, the X1950PRO had 80nm and the 7900GS had a 90nm process. The X1950PRO was priced more than the 7900GS, same case for the HD2950PRO vs the 8800GT, according to sources. This does mean we MAY have a repeat of what happened last year.

[Widjaja]

Cough , its AMD/ATI vs Nvidia, AMD vs Intel, Nvidia vs Intel. Intel and ATI have gotten along since the Founding of ATI back in the 80s.

So I stand corrected, have a lozenge.

DaMulta
I've posted my VGA BIOS if your'e wanting to help rangerone outwith getting his X1950pro AGP to work with the 7.9cat.

[tkpenalty]

Yeah my thoughts, I just dont like 2nd guessing, I know the performance of the XT, I will wait a day or two I think for DaMulta's revelations on the Pro, but like I said, there is not a great deal of price difference in relation to this uber cheap XT I have found, downside is it's a 2 week delivery/turnaround time but hey I can wait.

Tatty, I wouldn't go for a low tier, cheap HD2900XT. I would instead go for the highest priced HD2900PRO thats the best, as in the Sapphire HD2900XT GDDR4 1GB. Just to note, the HD2900PRO is an experiment; Sell the same product for a lower price and cripple it in a way that can be "uncrippled". That means, the HD2900PRO will clock to HD2900XT speeds without any issues, as they are intially the same thing.

I hope AMD/ATi aint going to start cheaping out after this hard year for them.:(
Last thing we all need is for AMD/ATi to call it quits.

There needs to be that competiton between Intel/nVidia and AMD/ATi to keep technology progressing.

AMD/ATI are not responsible for "Cheaping out" they merely manufacture, the chips, design the PCB and software, then send the chips and pcb designs to the manufacturers. It is the manufacturers who actually do the cooling, so if the manufacturer cheaps out, it isnt AMD's fault at all. AMD and ATI are regaining stability and there wasnt any massive crisis. Sure, AMD has lost much market share, but they are far from being out of the game. There IS competition between AMD and Nvidia, if you havent noticed, nvidia keeps changing their products to try to outdo the AMD products.

[DaMulta]

So I stand corrected, have a lozenge.

DaMulta
I've posted my VGA BIOS if your'e wanting to help rangerone outwith getting his X1950pro AGP to work with the 7.9cat.

I'll wait for him to repost. I don't know if that will work, because I have never heard of that problem with the PRo.

[Tatty_One]

Tatty, I wouldn't go for a low tier, cheap HD2900XT. I would instead go for the highest priced HD2900PRO thats the best, as in the Sapphire HD2900XT GDDR4 1GB. Just to note, the HD2900PRO is an experiment; Sell the same product for a lower price and cripple it in a way that can be "uncrippled". That means, the HD2900PRO will clock to HD2900XT speeds without any issues, as they are intially the same thing.

The same thing with a lower grade core that cannot stabily and consistently run at XT speeds (certainly not XT overclocked speeds anyways) otherwise they would make more money on them, the way I see it (and DaMulta might prove me wrong when he gets his :)) I am guessing that the Pro WON'T be able to hit a core of 825Mhz+.

[tkpenalty]

The same thing with a lower grade core that cannot stabily and consistently run at XT speeds (certainly not XT overclocked speeds anyways) otherwise they would make more money on them, the way I see it (and DaMulta might prove me wrong when he gets his :)) I am guessing that the Pro WON'T be able to hit a core of 825Mhz+.

I doubt a lower core grade would make the HD2900PRO that cheap. I'll wait for DaMulta's HD2900PRO to arrive before jumping to any conclusions, but some earlybird reviewers have said that it virtually does the same as a HD2900XT.

[DaMulta]

I don't know why I think this....I'm wondering if you flash it as a XT, then maybe you can get a better OC on them.
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[Wile E]

I doubt a lower core grade would make the HD2900PRO that cheap. I'll wait for DaMulta's HD2900PRO to arrive before jumping to any conclusions, but some earlybird reviewers have said that it virtually does the same as a HD2900XT.Yeah, but many of the early bird reviews are from review samples, which are cherry-picked. Most early reviews of the XT were getting between 875-900 (and some even higher) on stock cooling. My powercolor does 850.

[tkpenalty]

Anyway totally off topic, what do you think of my wallpaper-converted-to-avatar?

[Tatty_One]

I was basing my comment on the link in post 2128 suggesting 750mhz but of course a "B Grade" chip would justify the reduction in cost otherwise ATi's alternative is to what?.....throw them in the bin!

Although I agree, we wont really know for sure until we see them in action but Wile E has a good point.....do you really think that manufacturers are gonna send out reviewing samples that dont overclock well? Lol they have probably sent out genuine XT's just re-flashed with the Pro BIOS to Ensure they overclock well! fairly commonplace in recent years allegedly from both sides of the fence where they have had a similar downclocked product allegedly.

[tkpenalty]

DaMulta... when are you getting it?

[Widjaja]

TK you wanna discuss the probs with the 7.9's and agp?
I installed it on my backup OS on my other HDD and still no troubles as my main OS seems to have issues with uninstalling drivers.

What could be so wrong or different about these flashy looking HIS AGP models I wonder?

Apparently he was only having graphical issues with DiRT.
Same with Innocent Crim who has a Sapphire Pro.

Never heard of the game until now and by the looks of it I'll be buying it.
See if mine does the same.

[eidairaman1]

ok ATI Specifically mentioned with X1950 Pro AGP cards that they are not compatible with either Catalyst 7.8s or 7.9s, perhaps you should read their release notes
TK you wanna discuss the probs with the 7.9's and agp?
I installed it on my backup OS on my other HDD and still no troubles as my main OS seems to have issues with uninstalling drivers.

What could be so wrong or different about these flashy looking HIS AGP models I wonder?

Apparently he was only having graphical issues with DiRT.
Same with Innocent Crim who has a Sapphire Pro.

Never heard of the game until now and by the looks of it I'll be buying it.
See if mine does the same.

[Widjaja]

ok ATI Specifically mentioned with X1950 Pro AGP cards that they are not compatible with either Catalyst 7.8s or 7.9s, perhaps you should read their release notes

Ok you should look at the "when is Ati gonna give us new drivers for X1950 agp."
I'm using the 7.9 driver with no problems and so is Morgoth and have added an attachment at that Thread as proof.
TK had also said yes 7.9's are fixed.
TK also asked us to disscuss this issue at this club house which is why I posted here.
Perhaps you should read the previous posts before posting.

Trying to make someone look stupid are we?:rolleyes:

[eidairaman1]

So is this after patching? I decided after the 7.8s and 7.9s wouldnt work with AGP 1950 Pros to run 7.6 drivers
Ok you should look at the "when is Ati gonna give us new drivers for X1950 agp."
I'm using the 7.9 driver with no problems and so is Morgoth and have added an attachment at that Thread as proof.
TK had also said yes 7.9's are fixed.
TK also asked us to disscuss this issue at this club house which is why I posted here.
Perhaps you should read the previous posts before posting.

Trying to make someone look stupid are we?:rolleyes:

[Widjaja]

No patch.
I downloaded the 7.9 just display drivers since I use ATi Tray Tools to do any tweaking.

But yeah after reading the X1950pro AGPs not being compatible with 7.9cat I held off for a while and stuck to the 7.6cat.

Then Morgoth posted he's using them so I decided to try them out and they are also working for me with a marginal performance increase in some games and a slightly higher 3dmark.

I immediately tried out various games to see if I would get any graphical issues but none have come up besides NFSC freezing once which it does on rare occasions even with 7.6cat.

So far from what I have read, HIS AGP X1950's are having the issue with the 7.9cats.
Craigleberry hasn't been in for a while, hope his system hadn't taken a dive after installing the 7.9's.

[tkpenalty]

HIS Cards seem to be problematic for some odd reason as Widjaja stated... I dont know what would cause them to do this. X1950PRO AGP Owners, tell me if the 7.9 Drivers work for you.

However if 7.9s dont work for you I suggest using 7.6 Drivers instead.

[eidairaman1]

well since my board took a dive, ive been using a AIW 9800 Pro (R360 Core)

[Widjaja]

HIS Cards seem to be problematic for some odd reason as Widjaja stated... I dont know what would cause them to do this. X1950PRO AGP Owners, tell me if the 7.9 Drivers work for you.

However if 7.9s dont work for you I suggest using 7.6 Drivers instead.

I wonder if it's to do with the Rialto Bridge chipset.
When extracting my VGA BIOS there were two.
One R570 and one with Rialto at the end.
For some reason the card wouldn't let me extract the Rialto BIOS, instead my rig would freeze up and reboot.

I wondering if there is a difference in the Rialto BIOS in the HIS X1950pro agp cards.

Who knows we'll have to wait and see I guess.

[Craigleberry]

I am running 7.6 ATM not game to try changing to 7.9. Last time I changed drivers around I ended up RMA'ing my card.

[tkpenalty]

Craigleberry, last time the problems began before you changed the drivers, have a shot at the 7.9 Drivers...

[Widjaja]

I am running 7.6 ATM not game to try changing to 7.9. Last time I changed drivers around I ended up RMA'ing my card.

I can understand you in being apprehensive about installing these drivers.
I guess you could make a thread to see if there is anyone out there using 7.9cat with your card or any HIS X1950 AGP card for that matter.

Didn't your last card go bung with the 7.7 drivers?
I think rangerone's card is the same as yours and has no luck with the 7.9's ethier.

I think it has to do with the Rialto bridge chipset.

[mitsirfishi]

here is updated 19261 with my new cpu and mobo smashed my old 17400 with my old amd 6000 x2 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=3519547

[rangerone766]

well the beta 7.10 drivers seem to have fixed my problems. i can run crysis now on medium/high settings averaging 40-45 fps or soo. dropping to 25 fps if i have a few people shooting at me.

[rangerone766]

dirt runs great now. i quess it was just a driver issue. thanks for all your help guys

[Autiem Sel]

HIS Cards seem to be problematic for some odd reason as Widjaja stated... I dont know what would cause them to do this. X1950PRO AGP Owners, tell me if the 7.9 Drivers work for you. However if 7.9s dont work for you I suggest using 7.6 Drivers instead.

No, the 7.9 drivers didn't work for me (no icons on desktop!), fingers crossed they'll have sorted agp with 7.10.

I just installed an Accelero x2 which came with a 'vr heat spreader module'. I didn't need to use it, I guess its for differently designed models, but would it do a better job than the stock heatsink? The plate covers the big chip at the bottom that the stock sink doesn't. :confused:

[Widjaja]

No, the 7.9 drivers didn't work for me (no icons on desktop!), fingers crossed they'll have sorted agp with 7.10.

I just installed an Accelero x2 which came with a 'vr heat spreader module'. I didn't need to use it, I guess its for differently designed models, but would it do a better job than the stock heatsink? The plate covers the big chip at the bottom that the stock sink doesn't. :confused:

From what Rangerone has found out, the BETA 7.10 does work for HIS AGP.
So the final 7.10cat should work for your card.

Do you know where the VRM's are on your card?
They should be at the PCI-E connector end and relativley small.
I read something about your card already having a copper plate over the VRMs.

I don't know what the Accelero VR plate is made from possibly aluminium but I'm guessing the HIS one would be better at dispersing heat as its copper.

Anway even you stock cooler pwns my rev1 Sapphire ref cooler.
Sometimes getting up to 82deg and thats normal, no issues so far though.

[Widjaja]

Anyone.
Does the X1950pro AGP only have 8 pixel pipelines?
If so then my 7600GS has 4 more?

[Autiem Sel]

Aar good news about the 7.10's. :)

Yes, the accelero plate is made of aluminium, so i'll leave the original copper sink alone, cheers.

The stock cooler (iceq3) had a slight rattle when I first got it, which got worse and developed into a horrible grinding. (Even after taking it apart and cleaning it) Maybe I just got a bad one... But the Accelero X2 is great, a few degrees cooler and SO much quieter.

[Widjaja]

Aar good news about the 7.10's. :)
The stock cooler (iceq3) had a slight rattle when I first got it, which got worse and developed into a horrible grinding. (Even after taking it apart and cleaning it) Maybe I just got a bad one....

Dude your'e not the only one.
I was at another forum where someone posted a thread about his HIS IceQ3 cooler making a continuous rattling sound even if the fan sped up it would stay the same, so your'e not the only one which that issue.

Pity, those HIS coolers look the bling:p.

My card plays somegames with irritating stutters or pauses when loading textures to the vram, which is my only gripe with it.
Always done this with drivers 7.1 to 7.10 minus 7.7 & 7.8.

[DaMulta]

http://coolerexpress.org/images/-100-3-20x16.jpg

CHARACTERISTICS:

． Strong cooling performance, reaching the maximum cooling effect of the CPU core.

．Three Evaporators, synchronous cooling of 1CPU,2GPU.

． Low power consumption, low noise and High-performance freezing compressor is used.



A PURPOSE:

1.For computer overclocking.

three evaporators -100℃ cooling unit

:rockout:

[Wile E]

http://coolerexpress.org/images/-100-3-20x16.jpg

CHARACTERISTICS:

． Strong cooling performance, reaching the maximum cooling effect of the CPU core.

．Three Evaporators, synchronous cooling of 1CPU,2GPU.

． Low power consumption, low noise and High-performance freezing compressor is used.



A PURPOSE:

1.For computer overclocking.

three evaporators -100℃ cooling unit

:rockout:Where do I buy it?

[DaMulta]

http://coolerexpress.org/en-2.5-3stage.htm

I WANT ONE!!!!

I think you use the contact us button.

http://coolerexpress.org/en-index.htm

[Craigleberry]

I can understand you in being apprehensive about installing these drivers.
I guess you could make a thread to see if there is anyone out there using 7.9cat with your card or any HIS X1950 AGP card for that matter.

Didn't your last card go bung with the 7.7 drivers?
I think rangerone's card is the same as yours and has no luck with the 7.9's ethier.

I think it has to do with the Rialto bridge chipset.

I have and this is why I am not game to try 7.9
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=614324
My last card ran like a charm with 7.7 then..... I came home from work to discover that it had mega artifacts and after removing 7.7 I ended up having to RMA.
I think you may be on to something with your rialto chipset theory.

[Craigleberry]

http://coolerexpress.org/en-2.5-3stage.htm

I WANT ONE!!!!

I think you use the contact us button.

http://coolerexpress.org/en-index.htm

OMG check out how much it weighs:laugh:

[Wile E]

OMG check out how much it weighs:laugh:150lbs?!?!?!?!?! That can't be right. That's craziness.

[Widjaja]

Crazy.
Looks exactly like the generator under the cold cabinet at work, also looks like it was put together in the back of someones garage.

[DaMulta]

My stacker would fit right on top:)

[Widjaja]

I have and this is why I am not game to try 7.9
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=614324
My last card ran like a charm with 7.7 then..... I came home from work to discover that it had mega artifacts and after removing 7.7 I ended up having to RMA.
I think you may be on to something with your rialto chipset theory.


Ahh I see.
Not much help aye?:rolleyes:
Won't be going back there anytime soon.
I've come across many forums like that.
This is one of the more social sites.

7.10 BETA worked for Rangerone with his HIS X1950pro IceQ3 AGP so you can either giver those a go or wait till the finialized 7.10 come out which won't be long at all.

With the 7.9's I had a increase in all benchmarks.
3Dmark 05 went up the most from 10012 to 10039 so nothing significant and niether in gaming.

[mitsirfishi]

that thing is quality :D

[imperialreign]

meh . . . just grab an old GM A-12 AC compressor, some kind of powerful DC motor, a 4" evaporator and rig the thing to the front of your case. It'll keep EVERYTHING a nice and chilly -1C without breaking a sweat. Oh, and remove the back of your case if you want it to cool your room also :D


It'll be loud, though . . .

[tkpenalty]

None of the guys have told me how the HD2900PRO performs... =.=

[Tatty_One]

that thing is quality :D

It's a car in disguise!!!

[Widjaja]

Not much activity going on but I always see guests lurking for ages in this clubhouse.
Weird.
At the time of posting this there were eight.

[DaMulta]

None of the guys have told me how the HD2900PRO performs... =.=

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=41214

[BlackDevilOR]

well i've just got my rx1950 pro and it works a charm :) even with the old PSU.
I'm having some troubles dough with the monitor, i don't know why but it sees it as a secondary monitor :wtf: and i can't seem to get battlefield2142 to start up :confused: the screen goes black for a few seconds and then it returns to desktop. help :o

[DaMulta]

2142

go to my docs and delete the 2142 folder and start it again.

for what monitor is the main one, go into CCC and go to display. Set the monitor you want to game on as the primary.

[BlackDevilOR]

well i already tried deleting bf2142 form my docs and nothing ... even tried reinstalling the darn thing and still nothing.
and i can't set the monitor as primary, it just won't let me :| don't know why.

I'll install company of heroes in a few mins to see how the gpu stands up :)

and i only have one monitor plugged in

[DaMulta]

Well the BF series has a bad thing with F-ing up on installs. I have had to reinstall XP many of times over BF.

What slot do you have your monitor installed on? It should be primary no matter what.

[BlackDevilOR]

i think i'm going to have to reinstall xp in order for my x1950 to work :wtf: when i'm trying to acces games it's either failiure to initialize Direct 3D eiter fatal error ...
I'll keep u guys updates as i go along ...

[imperialreign]

unless you've already done so, try installing the Aug DirectX update. Even though BF isn't covered in the Catalyst 7.9 hotfix, that might be worth a shot too. From what experiences I've had with Direct3D failing to initialize, it's usually a driver conflict of somesort - although, I'm not saying there isn't something else that could be causing it.

[tkpenalty]

Hold your horses there for a moment, BlackDevilOR. I would first off uninstall the drivers, screw stuff like driver cleaner, go to Add/Remove and just uninstall all the ATI software.... use the 7.6 Drivers as well, to test it.

[Widjaja]

Driver cleaner doesn't even work for me.
Shows the file being deleted, go to the folder where the file was supposed to be deleted from and as always, it's still there.
I just use the ATi uninstall and if that doesn't work I uninstall through device manager afterwards.

[Craigleberry]

Driver cleaner doesn't even work for me.
Shows the file being deleted, go to the folder where the file was supposed to be deleted from and as always, it's still there.
I just use the ATi uninstall and if that doesn't work I uninstall through device manager afterwards.

I do what you do and then after run the cleaner to make sure.:rockout:

[imperialreign]

if you want to be proof-positive, load up a really good registry cleaner, and make sure all references and remnants of it's existance are gone, too

[Craigleberry]

Sweet... Slightly off topic but My CPU Rocked up along with my new burner.
I just have to contain myself while I save for my 2900xt.
Although I could slot the 6600 PCIex4 into it for now just to get it going.
mmmmm. It is tempting.
Motherboard....Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P
Cpu...... E6750

[BlackDevilOR]

well i tried uninstalling everything from ati and installing the 7.9 catalyst, but i'm going to give it another shot and after uninstall i'll run tuneup utilities 2007 and clean the registry. then i'll try and install the driver from the CD the card came with.
i'll come back with a update :) still opened to suggestions.

[DaMulta]

Reinstall the O/S

[imperialreign]

Reinstall the O/S


100% fool-proof fix for any software/driver problem :laugh:

[tkpenalty]

well i tried uninstalling everything from ati and installing the 7.9 catalyst, but i'm going to give it another shot and after uninstall i'll run tuneup utilities 2007 and clean the registry. then i'll try and install the driver from the CD the card came with.
i'll come back with a update :) still opened to suggestions.

Wait a minute, you're an AGP user... I said, try 7.6 Drivers... not 7.9

[Widjaja]

Hmm 7.9 crook with MSI X1950pros as well?

[Craigleberry]

7.9 cat no good with AGP. Hopefully 7.10 is looking to be a working driver once it is released.:toast:

[Widjaja]

Found a problem with 7.9 even on my Sapphire AGP I think. . .
Sometimes the PC will freeze when windows is loaded up.
Gone back to 7.6 drivers.

As I have said before, just marginal benchmark scores and gaming performance but nothing which makes changing to the drivers neccessary.

7.10 BETAs worked for AGP X1950's and from what I've read here, ATi haven't forgotten the X1xxx series, probably were working hard solely on HD2xxx performance for the last three months to make the card perform as it should.

7.10 "shoot em up drivers".:rockout:

Maybe this is how ATi should plan out thier drivers.
Depending on the type games you are into.

I think ATi should work on some "racing drivers":D

[Craigleberry]

Yep that would be good for GTR2 drift mod :)

[Widjaja]

Yep that would be good for GTR2 drift mod :)

Is there a drift mod for GTR2?
Does the drift mod require a steering wheel to use it properly?
Well does the game require a steering wheel to play it properly.

I only played GTR and that game was pretty crap.
I kept on wiping out around corners without a steering wheel and I'd be going top speed down a straight with the fastest car on the track only to find other cars passing me.:mad:

[Oliver]

Hi to all,

F....k driver cleaner its a dangerous piece of software, if you're not used to it its better to clean out all ATI files and folders with the add/remove function and then clean out the program and root folders left.......then maybe run a regcleaner if you are 100% positive its a good piece of soft(juoni vuoni's is good -a bit old but efficient). Then restart and reinstall the Catalyst of your choice (for AGP 7.6 max i guess).

Normally you should be up and running

[Craigleberry]

Is there a drift mod for GTR2?
Does the drift mod require a steering wheel to use it properly?
Well does the game require a steering wheel to play it properly.

I only played GTR and that game was pretty crap.
I kept on wiping out around corners without a steering wheel and I'd be going top speed down a straight with the fastest car on the track only to find other cars passing me.:mad:

The gtr2 drift mod is some good fun..... It comes with the cars all modded out with paint jobs lowered to the max big wheels decals ect.. They are bloody hard to control but it is possible to actualy drift. And even better it still works online. google it and you will find. Just from my experiance make sure your game has all the patches installed before you apply the mod tho coz it will stuff up if you do it the other way around. Sorry to take the discusion a little off topic guys.:rockout:

[mrhuggles]

the 7.10 drivers didnt work for me, same thing from 7.8 and 7.9 couldnt even run dxdiag, had icons on my desktop tho :(

btw, you didnt RMA that with newegg did you? i just baught mine from newegg, it was RMA'd but works fine with 7.7 drivers, great card, 120 after shipping and buying of the adapter dealy.

[imperialreign]

speaking of ATi drivers . . . has anyone heard any rumors as to when ATI is going to roll out drivers that will support physics processing? It's been over a year now since they were struting their stuff with the physics xFire setups, and we might start seeing games within another year that would make use of some form of physics API.

Just wondering, really - I figure they won't do open the physics processing potential until the 2ks are more solid performers (as if they aren't already). I also get the feeling that ATi is waiting for their competitors to make the first move, considering they've already cornered and niched the PPU market. We haven't heard much from nVidia or Aegis since ATi trumped them both last year.

[Tatty_One]

speaking of ATi drivers . . . has anyone heard any rumors as to when ATI is going to roll out drivers that will support physics processing? It's been over a year now since they were struting their stuff with the physics xFire setups, and we might start seeing games within another year that would make use of some form of physics API.

Just wondering, really - I figure they won't do open the physics processing potential until the 2ks are more solid performers (as if they aren't already). I also get the feeling that ATi is waiting for their competitors to make the first move, considering they've already cornered and niched the PPU market. We haven't heard much from nVidia or Aegis since ATi trumped them both last year.

I am not sure of the answer in relation to Ati and Physics, what I can say is that Nvidia and Physics potentially is almost upon us, I beleive ATI were touting a 3rd graphics card setup for physics processing? I have not heard of a immediate implimentation of that but Nidia will release next month the 780i chipset motherboard, this is to be a 3 card motherboard for that express purpose I beleive, and accoriding to the little snippets I have read that 3rd card does not need to be the same as the other 2 and therefore could be a lesser and potentially much cheaper and even existing card.....although I am sure that there will be limitations on this......TBH I would think that ATi are there or there abouts also.

IMO this 3rd card is not the ideal solution, it would be nice if people with either an Xfire or Sli setup could.....dependant on the game play it in single card mode using the 2nd (rather than 3rd) card for th physics. Some of my thoughts are based on speculative comments, others on inevitables....but nothing is certain!

[DaMulta]

physics processing is automatic at the moment. Crysis is supposed to have a option in there for it.

[Tatty_One]

physics processing is automatic at the moment. Crysis is supposed to have a option in there for it.

Yup, but also somewhat limited at the moment.....you know anything about ATi's full implementation?

[DaMulta]

Intel bought Havok.....I think it's safe to say DX11 for ATi and Nvidia.

[cepoi]

http://img.techpowerup.org/071011/DSC00553.jpg

just asking...why my hd2900xt heatsink has two type??..one with 2 heat pipes..and another with 3 heatpipes?? both are Asus EAH2900xt and i bought it at same time..strange..

[DaMulta]

That is something that you would have to email Asus about.

[Tatty_One]

I can only guess the one was from a previous batch, it would seem that new production cards have 3 pipes in most cases as the pro has the 3 also.

[DaMulta]

Mine only has 2

[Mediocre]

I can only guess the one was from a previous batch, it would seem that new production cards have 3 pipes in most cases as the pro has the 3 also.

Same here, my pro's stock hsf only has 2 as well...

Oh most recent clocks with that wicked ass r600 cooler are 72C under full load at 750/825 :D

Gonna try and break 800/1000 tonight :rockout:

[imperialreign]

Yup, but also somewhat limited at the moment.....you know anything about ATi's full implementation?

last I had read . . . ATi were stouting that there physics implementation out performed both nVidia's solution, and Aegis' PPU PCI card - by a wide margin. Suposedly it has a lot to do with their GPU architecture, and how threads are executed. Probably has a lot to do with why ATI's GPU can accomodate the F@H project. I'm sure nVidia's could do so also, but . . .

But, ATi haven't said much of anything since they layed their claims and showed their evidence over a year ago, and I'm sure they've been continuing development on the in-between. I still get the feeling ATi are going to wait for nVidia to make the first move, and then release their trump.

From what I read on ATi's web site about their physics implementation - you don't need two similar cards and then a 3rd for physics. Two dissimilar cards will work for "physics crossfire" (they don't have an actual name for it yet). As long as you have a crossfire supported motherboard, the physics will be handled across the PCIe BUS. You could have 2 X1950's for crossfire, and then use a X1300 for physics. You could have 2 HD's in crossfire, and run a x1950 or x1650 for phycis. Their 1+1 setups, you could have an X1950 for rendering, and run a cheap x1050 as a PPU. Supposedly, any of the X1~ series will work.

I think that would completely blow the physics processing capabilities out of the water - I mean, if you can't afford another x1950 or HD at the moment, but have an old 1300 or 1650 laying around, it could take a ton of processing stress off your main rendering GPU. Or, if you've got a mobo with 3 PCIe slots and two hittin HD GPUs in xFire, the addition of a mid-range 1950 or a 512MB 1300XT . . .

ATI have at least kept flexibility wide open on this, which I think is great for their customer base. I've also read here and there that they're working on better flexibility for xFire, they would like at some point to be able to allow xFire between different GPUs (i.e. xFire a 1950 with a 1600, 1850 with a 1350, etc).

[Tatty_One]

Mine only has 2

Well Sapphire......say no more! The HIS, Powercolor and Club3D all have 3.

[Tatty_One]

last I had read . . . ATi were stouting that there physics implementation out performed both nVidia's solution, and Aegis' PPU PCI card - by a wide margin. Suposedly it has a lot to do with their GPU architecture, and how threads are executed. Probably has a lot to do with why ATI's GPU can accomodate the F@H project. I'm sure nVidia's could do so also, but . . .

But, ATi haven't said much of anything since they layed their claims and showed their evidence over a year ago, and I'm sure they've been continuing development on the in-between. I still get the feeling ATi are going to wait for nVidia to make the first move, and then release their trump.

From what I read on ATi's web site about their physics implementation - you don't need two similar cards and then a 3rd for physics. Two dissimilar cards will work for "physics crossfire" (they don't have an actual name for it yet). As long as you have a crossfire supported motherboard, the physics will be handled across the PCIe BUS. You could have 2 X1950's for crossfire, and then use a X1300 for physics. You could have 2 HD's in crossfire, and run a x1950 or x1650 for phycis. Their 1+1 setups, you could have an X1950 for rendering, and run a cheap x1050 as a PPU. Supposedly, any of the X1~ series will work.

I think that would completely blow the physics processing capabilities out of the water - I mean, if you can't afford another x1950 or HD at the moment, but have an old 1300 or 1650 laying around, it could take a ton of processing stress off your main rendering GPU. Or, if you've got a mobo with 3 PCIe slots and two hittin HD GPUs in xFire, the addition of a mid-range 1950 or a 512MB 1300XT . . .

ATI have at least kept flexibility wide open on this, which I think is great for their customer base. I've also read here and there that they're working on better flexibility for xFire, they would like at some point to be able to allow xFire between different GPUs (i.e. xFire a 1950 with a 1600, 1850 with a 1350, etc).

Makes sense but I would expect ATi to say theirs was the best!

[tkpenalty]

Gigabyte's HD2900XT Also has three heatpipes instead of two.

Physics processing isn't very useful at the moment, what I would prefer to see is Graphical Crossfire between two dissimilar cards instead, if you use physics, your GPU has to render MUCH more polygons, thanks to the more particles that physics modes usually bring. Pretty much it would be possible to implement Graphical non-similar card Crossfire, all that would be needed is that the weaker GPU can render a small segment of the screen and not 50/50.

Most of the PCI-E X1k~ GPUs will work with Physics, AGP/PCI variants wont, and I highly doubt the X1050 can, its a RV370, meaning that its a 9550, 9600PRO, X300, X550, etcetra.

Besides physics, its ALWAYS good to have a spare GPU laying around, for diagnostic purposes, etc.

EDIT: Err that guy with the two and three heatpipe HD2900XTs, put the one with the two heatpipes above.

[JC316]

My HIS 2900 pro has 3 pipes.

[imperialreign]

Besides physics, its ALWAYS good to have a spare GPU laying around, for diagnostic purposes, etc.

most definitely, and just in case the main one dies. Why I've still got an X700 and a X1300 laying around, I'd even recommend to anyone to grab a cheap, decent PCIe from ebay just as a backup.

Physics processing isn't very useful at the moment, what I would prefer to see is Graphical Crossfire between two dissimilar cards instead, if you use physics, your GPU has to render MUCH more polygons, thanks to the more particles that physics modes usually bring. Pretty much it would be possible to implement Graphical non-similar card Crossfire, all that would be needed is that the weaker GPU can render a small segment of the screen and not 50/50.

I defi agree it's not useful, at the moment, but it will come sooner or later. From how I interpreted ATI's explanation on their dissimilar setups, it seems that the weaker card would perform the vast majority of the mathematics and physics calculations, which would leave the more powerful card with only having to render and skin polygons.

But, I think that if ATI does have the capability to allow dissimilar systems to work together for physics, or a 3 card setup, then they're not that far off from a working different card crossfire setup.

[cepoi]

EDIT: Err that guy with the two and three heatpipe HD2900XTs, put the one with the two heatpipes above.

why?

[Wile E]

Well Sapphire......say no more! The HIS, Powercolor and Club3D all have 3.My powercolor only has 2.

[Tatty_One]

My powercolor only has 2.

Lol we are talking pro's not XT's :p

[Craigleberry]

Hi sorry to but in..... I ordered the rest of my components for new pc today.... I sort of ran out money and couldnt get what I wanted ( story of my life ).
I ended up with a Saphire X1950 pro and I have heard of these things getting a little hot.
Can anyone suggest a cooler to match it. Cheers.

[imperialreign]

Hi sorry to but in..... I ordered the rest of my components for new pc today.... I sort of ran out money and couldnt get what I wanted ( story of my life ).
I ended up with a Saphire X1950 pro and I have heard of these things getting a little hot.
Can anyone suggest a cooler to match it. Cheers.

There's always the good old standard Arctic Cooler X2. There's the Zalman VF1000, but they're quite a bit pricey. Cooler Master has their CoolViva Pro coolers, which look like they'd offer killer cooling, but them bastards are huge (40mm height compared to the X2's 30mm).

[Craigleberry]

The Zalman VF1000 looks the goods. I may get one of them. Fitting it will be a first tho never swapped out a heatsink on a GPU before. It will be worth it. I should get better performance out of this new rig :) P.S imperialreign nice O/C on yer Proc 524. I never even tried with mine. It will be gone today anyway.

[tkpenalty]

I'd use an AcceleroX2 of a VF900CU instead... VF1000 is somewhat overkill on a X1950PRO, since X1950PROs dont overclock well, even with water cooling, they remain virtually the same.

[Widjaja]

People with AGP X1950pros/GTs still incompatible with the latest 7.10 Cataylst drivers.
Also X1650 AGP by the looks of things.
The 7.10 drivers are working fine for me so far.
3dmarks in 03 & 05 have gone up but 06 has gone down.
All scores he increased and decreased marginally.
Real world gaming performamce appears the same.

[imperialreign]

P.S imperialreign nice O/C on yer Proc 524. I never even tried with mine. It will be gone today anyway.


thanks, man! Still trying to pass 4GHz with it, though. I've gotten it stable at 4.03, but running something that requires serious precise calculations (F@H console) crashes the system.

What are you replacing your Prescott with?

[cepoi]

Lol we are talking pro's not XT's :p

i think mine are XT....so we are talking about xt...not pro...but forget it...both xt n pro just same at all...

[Craigleberry]

What are you replacing your Prescott with?
I have a E6750 that should be a noticable increase in performance especially with the p35 chipset.:rockout:

[Tatty_One]

i think mine are XT....so we are talking about xt...not pro...but forget it...both xt n pro just same at all...

Pro's as in they all seem to have 3 heatpipes, only the most recent batches of XT have 3 as you found out!

[tkpenalty]

I have a E6750 that should be a noticable increase in performance especially with the p35 chipset.:rockout:

Ahaha... I felt like that when i got the X1950PRO I was like "WOWWWWOWOWOWOOWOWWW" then i made this clubhouse for fanboism. Now its not, now its something useful >=D.

[Craigleberry]

It is a brilliant place to talk to like minded people and get advice from people who know what you are on about.

[tkpenalty]

Anyway, I'll start grabbing pieces of info from all over the thread, (god this is going to take...AGES), then put it together.

[imperialreign]

I have a E6750 that should be a noticable increase in performance especially with the p35 chipset.

defi post some benches with the 1950, man - I want to see just how much I'm missing out on :laugh:

still trying to get my system running full-boogey 100%, but fighting the P4 is a headache - Hopefully, though, I'll have a QX6850 sometime early next year, and I expect that Kentsfield to just start nerf-thwappin my current benchmark scores and overall performance.

. . . and then, if all goes well with my tax returns . . . 2 HD 2900 XT's for xFire :D :D MWA! HA! HA! HAAAA!!

and then, whenever ATi release the physics drivers - I'll look into and consider a mobo that has 3 x16 slots, and use my current 1950 PRO as a PPU.

[tkpenalty]

At those clockspeeds, I doubt the bottleneck would be there man...

[Craigleberry]

I have it half built now took some pics will post them soon.:)

[imperialreign]

At those clockspeeds, I doubt the bottleneck would be there man...

with those components . . . it'll be more like a floodgate than a bottleneck

[Widjaja]

I have it half built now took some pics will post them soon.:)

Should be a good laugh to hear the change in performance.

Anyway hope the performance only goes up.
My bros new rig does something similar to mine in games.
Oblivion stutters like a champ with his GTX but not my rig:D
While Stalker is very smooth on his but it not too good on mine.
Both our rigs have acceptable avg frame rates just stuttery with certain games.

But I think that goes for everyone with one game or another.:(

Fingers crosses the rig goes without unexpected problems after double checking and doing everything text book.:p

[Craigleberry]

Fingers crosses the rig goes