ATI's R600 will consume over 250W

[Casheti]

According to the inquirer, ATI's highly anticipated next GPU will consume up to an incredible 250 W to work. The chip will be one of the hottest ever.

"We can now confirm that the new ATI card will consume around 250W. The currently fastest ATI, R580+ or Radeon X1950 XTX consumes up to 125W in a worst case scenario and heavy 3D while you can suck up 145W out with the dual chip X7950 GX2 card."

This means that the R600 will consume twice as much power, and probably will end up close to twice as warm but we also hear it will get much faster then the current cards with sixty four pipelines. It could easily end up twice as fast than the current ATI offerings.

It is now a January/February chip, so it will be a while until we have this baby on our desk but after a long time we are getting mildly titillated at the prospect.

[bbmf]

now that's funny (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showpost.php?p=2183838&postcount=1) :roll:

[Tatty_One]

If that really is true, and TBH I find it a little hard to beleive, then that may bring back some equality as many ATi supporters have critisized NVidia's 8800 series for their "massive" power draw.

[Easy Rhino]

wow. good thing i bought me a ocz 700watter!

[pt]

*considering to change to nvidia....*

[PVTCaboose1337]

G-d damn AMD and ATI. They both are going to downhill. 250 WATTS!!! OMG 1KW here we come. Crossfire = 2KW. LOL

[amd64best]

250 Watt!!!!!!!!
This is VGA card or heater?

[Zubasa]

250 Watt!!!!!!!!
This is VGA card or heater?
It is yet another Aircraft Carrier...:respect:

[Stryder75]

According to this article by the Inq http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37040, the high end 12" long XTX model will require 2 6-pin pci connectors. The XT model will require the new 8-pin pci connector and only be 9" long.

IF it has the same setup as the 8800 GTX the draw should be pretty close to the same. I am under the impression that only 75 watts can safely pass through a pci 6-pin connector and 75 watts through the pcie slot on the motherboard. If my math serves me correct, that is 2x 6-pin (75w + 75w = 150) + 75 w from motherboard. That is 225w. Please correct me if I am wrong.

My understanding is , that is the reason for the new 8-pin connector. To allow more watts to safely pass through the cable (approx. 85-90w).

I take the Inq articles w/ a grain, OK, spoon full of salt. But, they sometimes have a little truth mixed in.

[Namslas90]

According to the inquirer, ATI's highly anticipated next GPU will consume up to an incredible 250 W to work. The chip will be one of the hottest ever.

"We can now confirm that the new ATI card will consume around 250W. The currently fastest ATI, R580+ or Radeon X1950 XTX consumes up to 125W in a worst case scenario and heavy 3D while you can suck up 145W out with the dual chip X7950 GX2 card."

Look for new Heatpipe technology on the newer cards.

Also, twice the power for 6 times the performance is good enough for me!!

[JC316]

F*ck a duck in a truck! 250W?!?! That thing is a beast. It makes me glad I have got a decent video card ATM.

[tkpenalty]

F*ck a duck in a truck! 250W?!?! That thing is a beast. It makes me glad I have got a decent video card ATM.

*Cries with laugher* ^Couldn't help laughing... ahahhahahhahahahahahah

Well the other lesser GPUs at least aren that bad and are better than the X1950XTX (probably).

Like it or not, the more advanced electronics get, the more power they will need.

EDIT: the Inquirer always posts these rumors which ALWAYS get proven wrong.

[KennyT772]

atx spec allows 25w per each power lead, so each pin carrys 25w. 75w total for pci-e6 and 100w for pci-e8.

[aximbigfan]

i don't believe it.250watts is a huge amount. alough ati does have some power hungry/hot running chips on the market now *cough* x1600pro *cough*

chris

[JC316]

*Cries with laugher* ^Couldn't help laughing... ahahhahahhahahahahahah



Hehe, I figured someone would get a kick outta that one :roll: .

[Wile E]

Although I believe the flagship will consume a ton of power, I just don't buy 250W. I think it's a falsehood.

[Easy Rhino]

According to this article by the Inq http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37040, the high end 12" long XTX model will require 2 6-pin pci connectors. The XT model will require the new 8-pin pci connector and only be 9" long.

so i guess im getting the XTX model since i dont wanna buy a brand new psu. i already have 700 watts. wtf!!!!! i hate this!

[Stryder75]

so i guess im getting the XTX model since i dont wanna buy a brand new psu. i already have 700 watts. wtf!!!!! i hate this!

They did say the cards will come with an 8-pin to 6-pin + molex connector cable

[Easy Rhino]

They did say the cards will come with an 8-pin to 6-pin + molex connector cable

oh lol.

[Casheti]

Anybody else experiencing slowdown with TPU?

[pt]

Anybody else experiencing slowdown with TPU?

nop

[DanTheBanjoman]

How does twice as warm work anyway? Say 50C × 2 = 100C
However 50C = 323K or something × 2 = 626K = 353C
Fahrenheit conversion is different, don't remember it, though it again gets a totally different value. So how does doubling temperature work? -50C × 2 = -100C, another weird thing.

[Wile E]

How does twice as warm work anyway? Say 50C × 2 = 100C
However 50C = 323K or something × 2 = 626K = 353C
Fahrenheit conversion is different, don't remember it, though it again gets a totally different value. So how does doubling temperature work? -50C × 2 = -100C, another weird thing.
Fahrenheight = (9*C/5)+32

[SpoonMuffin]

honestly, i stoped beliving the inq when they posted dx9L was dx10 for xp, i already knew it was dx9 longhorn, inq=FUD most of the time.

but i dont see how singel slot cooler+2x the heat is gonna work!!!!!

[Casheti]

Hey, it's ATi. Don't worry ;) No matter what they will own :D

[HellasVagabond]

Nvidia here i come :P ( Imagine the electric bill if you have the R600 in a rig that works 24/7.. )

[Tatty_One]

this is all bulls..t about how much will r600 consume power no one knows how the f...ing card look like we will all know that when we have card in our hands

Unless you have got your hands on a prototype like some organisations claim they have.

[pt]

honestly, i stoped beliving the inq when they posted dx9L was dx10 for xp, i already knew it was dx9 longhorn, inq=FUD most of the time.

but i dont see how singel slot cooler+2x the heat is gonna work!!!!!

i think they will have to use better cooling materials, like gold coolers, with lots of fans and blowers :laugh:

[tkpenalty]

That info is false... they are trying to cause a ruckass and get more viewers.

I smell a TROLL!

From Wikipedia.
Comparisons with main competitors

* It is shorter and is designed to run cooler than its main competitor, GeForce 8800 GTX and 8800 GTS. [5]


The R600 isn't probably going to be 80nm but a 65nm process, ATI is planning to release a small GPU with power not a huge GPU that needs stuff like TEC and a god damn 2KW PSU to run it.

Most of the articles are from Inquirer and the other articles mirror official announcements. Inquirer is mirroring information from unknown sources. How many articles have they pumped out anyway? Why haven't we pumped out any about the R600's physical specifications? TROLL

[HellasVagabond]

ATI Always used more power than Nvidia...Wouldnt surprise me if these were true info....

[HeavyH20]

My suspicion is that the 8800 GTX and the use of a unified architecture may have made ATI go back and up the ante a bit to ensure they win the all important PR wars. Which means, nice and fast. And, hot. I find it interesting that the leaked specs from last fall keep exapnding.

Even if this card used 400 watts and pushed 100C under load, if it is faster, it will sell. Enthusiasts will always go for the performance, not the practicality. We will find a way to cool it and power it. It is kind of like buying a Ferrari and complaining about the mileage. It just goes with the territory. But, I have seen a 230W TDP. Considering the X1950XT uses 120 watts and the 7900GTX 80, looks like they are simply extrapolating the power use. Since the current 8800 GTX uses 165 Watts, 1.5X is about 250 Watts.

[HellasVagabond]

No serious user would get it unless he
a) Didnt leave his PC on all day long
b) Had money to waste on both the electricity and an 800+ Watt PSU
c) Didnt mind about the classic ATI cooler sound which in that card would be twice as loud than the current X1950XTX model.

Personally i dont think the R600 will be such a clear winner since Nvidia is about to launch the next in the 8xxx series which will give her again the first place.

[lemonadesoda]

No serious critic would complain until he
a) had facts to go on, not idle speculation
b) the performance/power ratio was lower than the competition
c) had seen (and heard) the device working in practice

Personally, I hate this forum getting filled up with speculative bs. Please go and post your creative stories on an amateur fiction writers forum. Only come back when you have real data.

[Grings]

ATI Always used more power than Nvidia...Wouldnt surprise me if these were true info....

compare 97/800 to 58/900,6800ultra to x850 hardly allways

[tkpenalty]

No serious critic would complain until he
a) had facts to go on, not idle speculation
b) the performance/power ratio was lower than the competition
c) had seen (and heard) the device working in practice

Personally, I hate this forum getting filled up with speculative bs. Please go and post your creative stories on an amateur fiction writers forum. Only come back when you have real data.

Inquirer = "that amateur fiction writer". They claim to have "sources" but why haven't they taken photos of it?! W1zzard has done with all the upcoming stuff but this stuff is nonsense!

[largon]

Thread title:
ATI's R600 will consume over 250WFact:
ATi R600 can not consume over 250W

Reason:
The top of the line R600 has two power connectors: the common 6pin and a new 8pin.
In those connectors there's "only" 7 12V wires that could be plugged on the card. Because one wire is specified to provide a maximum wattage of 25W you can't go higher than 250W.
12V PCIe plugs:
7 x 25W = 175W
+
PCIe x16 slot:
75W
=
Total: 250W

But note that this value is not the power consumption of the card. This is the wattage the power connectors could possibly deliver to the card.

For example:
The X1950Pro has a 6pin PCIe 12V plug, right? What's funny is the card only consumes ~65W (typically) which is less power than the PCIe slot can deliver... The 6pin plug is there only for backup in case of sudden power draw peaks.

Back to R600.
We know that the R600 "XTX" has 6pin+8pin connectors, but XT model only has the 8pin.
This means R600 "XT" will peak at less than 175W and R600 "XTX" at about 200W.

One can extrapolate this based on how little the difference of X1950XT and X1950XTX power consumptions are - the difference is less than 10W.

[pt]

doesn't the xtx has 2x6pin connectors and the xt and under one 8 pin connector?

[largon]

http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png
http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png (http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png)

R600 picture source: vr-zone forums (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=120679).

[pt]

not that pic again :o

[Tatty_One]

TBH I think 200W ish sounds a lot more realistic, 250 (apart from the math stats in any case) is just not funny.

[Schnookums]

http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png
http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png (http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png)

R600 picture source: vr-zone forums (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=120679).

I never seen it...R600 will OWN, either way. http://forums.vr-zone.com/f/gif/lol.gif

[pt]

http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png
http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png (http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png)

R600 picture source: vr-zone forums (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=120679).

it looks like a thermalright Hr-03 with a blower

[SpoonMuffin]

looks like somebody had fun with a cad program to me lol, not a very good rendering eather!!!!

[tkpenalty]

looks like somebody had fun with a cad program to me lol, not a very good rendering eather!!!!

x2... the DVIs look screwed.

Check out the crossfire bridge lol

[largon]

SpoonMuffin,
Really? Please do elaborate.

tkpenalty,
Huh? :confused:
That's exactly how a DVI connector looks like without the card's backplate.

And what's wrong with the CF connectors?

[tkpenalty]

SpoonMuffin,
Really? Please do elaborate.

tkpenalty,
Huh? :confused:
That's exactly how a DVI connector looks like without the card's backplate.

And what's wrong with the CF connectors?

Too simple?!, what happened to the bent pin connectos?
One of them is shorter than the other

[largon]

I see absolutely nothing suspicious about the DVIs nor the CF plugs (http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5826&stc=1&d=1169630405).

Btw, what are the "bent pin connectors" you mean?

[Easy Rhino]

http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png
http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png (http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/R600_9inch.png)

R600 picture source: vr-zone forums (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=120679).

lmao! that could be any card currently manufactured! :roll:

[ARTOSOFT]

According to the inquirer, ATI's highly anticipated next GPU will consume up to an incredible 250 W to work. The chip will be one of the hottest ever.

"We can now confirm that the new ATI card will consume around 250W. The currently fastest ATI, R580+ or Radeon X1950 XTX consumes up to 125W in a worst case scenario and heavy 3D while you can suck up 145W out with the dual chip X7950 GX2 card."

This means that the R600 will consume twice as much power, and probably will end up close to twice as warm but we also hear it will get much faster then the current cards with sixty four pipelines. It could easily end up twice as fast than the current ATI offerings.

It is now a January/February chip, so it will be a while until we have this baby on our desk but after a long time we are getting mildly titillated at the prospect.
250watt, but how about its performance?

Regards,
Arto.

[WarEagleAU]

I guess they are working in tandem with the 1kw and 2kw psu makers to make the power supplies justifiable??

[Schnookums]

Don't worry, ATi will own no matter what. Just sit back and enjoy the wait :)

[largon]

lmao! that could be any card currently manufactured! :roll:No it couldn't.
No highend ATi card is shorter than X1800/X1900 but longer than X800/X850 (http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5828&stc=1&d=1169652081):

[Grings]

people keep moaning about the length of that picture, but its mostly a cooler, which will be changed for launch

it will look more like this
http://img.techpowerup.org/070124/R600.png

not to mention the various non stock coolers that will be availible

edit: if largons picture is to scale, looks like it will be SHORTER than X18/1900 series

[petepete]

could my enermax liberty 620 W support the r600?

[WarEagleAU]

Im sure it could. a 600W quality psu should have no problem supporting it. Considering, I think, in todays most demanding pcs, a C2D EX or QUAD C2D, 2 Raid (or 4 Drives) 8800 GTX , and shit, its like 385W under load.

[largon]

Good thing is the card in the pic from VR-Zone has a conventional VRM rather than a digital voltage regulator. What's intriguing is that the are reserved for mosfet is clearly smaller than to date, the space could house 5 fets at most...
Either ATi has moved to higher grade components or there's something really funny with thecard's VRM.

petepete,
Any PSU with decent amperage on 12V line will run fine - even 18A should be enough.
Enermax Liberty 620W has 36A on the 12V combined; you could infact run dual R600 "XTX" in Crossfire with that PSU.

The card will pull 75W (< 6.25A @ 12V) from mobo and the rest which would be ~125W (< 11A) at maximum from the PCIe plugs.

[Easy Rhino]

No it couldn't.
No highend ATi card is shorter than X1800/X1900 but longer than X800/X850 (http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5828&stc=1&d=1169652081):

yes it could. just take your typical ati x1000 card and add a stupid looking blower to it. very unprofessional looking.

[largon]

Easy Rhino,
Right...
The freakin PCB of this CAD'ed card does not match any ATi card to date.

But sure, it could be any "typical X1k serie card".
I mean, it only requires a hacksaw...
:rolleyes:

[Grings]

at a guess id say that blower cooler is so long to pull cool air from the front of the case, and didnt it say in the article accompanying those pics that it was 12", and for oem's? it would probably fit specific cases (otherwise it would'nt fit 90% or so of cases, due to hard drive bays) the actual pcb looks relatively small (well smaller than x1k pcb's, and 88series)

[DaMulta]

I want a R600 XTX soon.......

[petepete]

good thing I trusted my friend, he said it was a good psu. Thank you for your response Largon

[Schnookums]

Dell PSU's FTW :roll:

[tkpenalty]

^Looking at his posts, I'm curious to know why he got banned O_o.

Anyway, that probably IS the OEM version of the card (they probably included the cooler's length as well). That handle is probably for mounting stuff as I said earlier. The cooler is that big probably so it will be easy for the OEMs to know the GPU's full potential.