Generic Thermal paste VS Other Non-Generic Brands

[tkpenalty]

So guys, here I am again to ask about this tube of generic thermal paste from balance stars. So far it has impressed me by lowering the temps on my P4SBeholder+, when compared to stock thermal crap. Here are the specs of it:

Thermal Conductivity:>0.95/m-k
Thermal Resistance: <0.229*C-in^2/W

Tell me how well it will compare with these products:

-Arctic Silver Ceramique
-Arctic Silver 5
-Stock Zalman Thermal Paste.

Btw, something else, is it normal to have temps of 40*C when Idle for a C2D? I find it sort of odd that its so called "Low wattage" produces that much heat. Im using a CNPS7700 CU so how would the temps compare to you guys?

[p-jack]

specs for arctic silver 5:

Specifications:

Thermal Conductance:
>350,000W/m2 °C (0.001 inch layer)

Thermal Resistance:
<0.0045°C-in2/Watt (0.001 inch layer)

specs for arctic silver ceramique:

Specifications:

Thermal Conductance:
>200,000W/m2.°C (0.001 inch layer)

Thermal Resistance:
<0.007°C-in2/Watt (0.001 inch layer)


compared with these, that generic stuff looks pretty poor imo...

[Wile E]

Yeah, I say just go with the proven performer, and go with AS5.

[tkpenalty]

Fine, compare it with Zalman VS Generic

[OOTay]

no need for comparison, the obvious answer is AS5 it doesn't even cost much.

[tkpenalty]

no need for comparison, the obvious answer is AS5 it doesn't even cost much.

I said compare Zalman and Generic :slap: , my god damn parents don't let me spend $15AUD D:

[OOTay]

I said compare Zalman and Generic :slap: , my god damn parents don't let me spend $15AUD D:

time for a job? maybe lil bit of male gigolo action, thats my profession.

[Scavar]

40C idle isn't terrible. Just make sure your case has good Airflow. I have mine on stock cooling, but my ambient temperture is always freezing because I live in FL so my AC is always on. Mine idles at around 36c or so with AS5.

It's an e6600 by the way, not OC'd.

[Taz100420]

well I got some stuff off ebay I paid $12 USD for a 12 gram syringe, Im sure its generic and my idle temp is 35C

[curt]

nothin if used is better then #1 articsilver 5 like 2c lower then #2 oczultra ultra high density!

i tryed star tech silver paste an i got better temps with no paste at all then with the star tech silver stuff evin the star tech white stuff works better then the star tech silver lol

[tkpenalty]

Zalman VS Arctic silver then.. (FREAKING STAY ON TOPIC)

[PVTCaboose1337]

well I got some stuff off ebay I paid $12 USD for a 12 gram syringe, Im sure its generic and my idle temp is 35C

Calling it a syringe...

[WarEagleAU]

That syringe, if its the liquid metal stuff, is probably the liquid thermal material, which is the best, beat AS5 like by 1 or 2 Degrees C in a maximum pc review.

As far as AS5 vs Zalman, AS5 is king. AS5 is for cpu. I use the ceramique for Video Cards and NB and SB chips. Zalman is great, dont get me wrong, but its not better than AS5. Zalman works well for their coolers, but AS5 is a tad bit better. Hope that helps.

As far as Zalman vs Generic, ZALMAN.

[ny_driver]

what about this Radio Shack brand silicone based heat sink fan compound I got for $2.99...might I be better off with nothing? seriously!:o

[Taz100420]

That syringe, if its the liquid metal stuff, is probably the liquid thermal material, which is the best, beat AS5 like by 1 or 2 Degrees C in a maximum pc review.

As far as AS5 vs Zalman, AS5 is king. AS5 is for cpu. I use the ceramique for Video Cards and NB and SB chips. Zalman is great, dont get me wrong, but its not better than AS5. Zalman works well for their coolers, but AS5 is a tad bit better. Hope that helps.

As far as Zalman vs Generic, ZALMAN.

It says Spectracool on it and yes it beats AS5 by a degree or two, tried both on my old rig.

[Lazzer408]

what about this Radio Shack brand silicone based heat sink fan compound I got for $2.99...might I be better off with nothing? seriously!:o

:slap:

[tkpenalty]

I got AS5... *state of euphoria* as well as some nifty high RPM zalman fans... KOREAN QUALITY = the best shit on earth ever... f**** (hes high guys, high from the zalman)

[tkpenalty]

That syringe, if its the liquid metal stuff, is probably the liquid thermal material, which is the best, beat AS5 like by 1 or 2 Degrees C in a maximum pc review.

As far as AS5 vs Zalman, AS5 is king. AS5 is for cpu. I use the ceramique for Video Cards and NB and SB chips. Zalman is great, dont get me wrong, but its not better than AS5. Zalman works well for their coolers, but AS5 is a tad bit better. Hope that helps.

As far as Zalman vs Generic, ZALMAN.

That stuff is leaky and unsafe to use... if it leaks onto your processor's non IHS part.. fizzle-pop fun!!! :roll:.
Obviously its better, but considering that its extremely easy to kill something that doesn't have an IHS/Shimmy (I think its called that ) installed.

This would be a person who got screwed: :) >:eek: >:twitch: >:mad: >:banghead: >:cry: (last one, he's crying in pain after giving himself a concussion).

[Wile E]

That stuff is leaky and unsafe to use... if it leaks onto your processor's non IHS part.. fizzle-pop fun!!! :roll:.
Obviously its better, but considering that its extremely easy to kill something that doesn't have an IHS/Shimmy (I think its called that ) installed.

This would be a person who got screwed: :) >:eek: >:twitch: >:mad: >:banghead: >:cry: (last one, he's crying in pain after giving himself a concussion).The liquid stuff also destroys aluminum heatsinks. Turns them to powder.

[Lazzer408]

I have GEIL

Off the syringe.

>1.729w/m-k
<0.06c-in2/w
5% silver 5% copper

That any good?

[ny_driver]

so what about my cheap Radio Shack silicone based heatsink fan compound?:wtf: I seated the chip with it last weekend and I was getting 55c under load, now I came home and reseated it, got the HSF centered on the chip, but my temps are running higher under load. Would I be better off using more than a tiny drop? Seems like I should cover the surface off the HSF at least. Any advice would be great. I am going to order some AS5 right now. :respect:

[Lazzer408]

If you remove the heatsink you should clean and reapply the paste. You can trap air if you don't and it squished out the paste from the first application as well. I've always had good luck with a dot in the center and let the heatsink spread it. The Radioshack stuff they have now is crap imo. There old stuff was -ok- in a pinch but I wouldn't be doing crazy overclocking on it. I'm using white paste now and running a 6600 2.4@3.4@60c full load after about 10 min but that's not the same stuff Radioshack has now. This is less runny/oily and more like toothpaste.

[Grings]

ive used coolermaster premium before and that stuff is really pasty, almost like car body filler!, seems to work good though, didnt see any difference between this and as5, which were both about 2 degrees cooler than as3 on a64, and 3 degrees cooler on an axp

[tkpenalty]

Hmm....why is the AS5 performing the same as the crappy generic POS?

[Scavar]

As an expierment when I was installing my e6600, I had everything stock. it was like 70c. Then I changed to AS5, it went down to like 60C, changed the heatsink to AC FreezerPro7, went to like 45C, changed to AS5, down to 36-40C.

[Wile E]

Hmm....why is the AS5 performing the same as the crappy generic POS?The better compounds usually only lower temps by a few degrees at first. After a couple of a days to cure, they start to perform much better.

[Scavar]

The better compounds usually only lower temps by a few degrees at first. After a couple of a days to cure, they start to perform much better.


I believe for AS5 it is 200hours with 5 thermal cycles.(Turning the OC off and letting it cool down completely to room temperture.)

You'll get this after two or so weeks if you leave your PC on during the day and turn it off at night, or vice versa. Or just leave it on for a few days, and turn it off, and repeat the cycle. It could add anywhere between 2c to 5c off what it already took off.

Thats if I remember what I read on the AS site right.

[ny_driver]

I just got tube of AS5 I am going to reseat and leave my pc on all weekend which I never do.

[Mediocre]

Application is EVERYTHING.

Personally I hate the 'put a grain size in the middle and squish it'.

Hope you're all spreading a SUPER thin (nearly transparent) layer.

Even the factory Intel sinks come with too much paste. Copper conducts better than that paste. The paste's true function is to fill the AIR gaps between the metal (heat) conductors - CPU and HSF.

Thought I saw a guide on here somewhere...

[tkpenalty]

Application is EVERYTHING.

Personally I hate the 'put a grain size in the middle and squish it'.

Hope you're all spreading a SUPER thin (nearly transparent) layer.

Even the factory Intel sinks come with too much paste. Copper conducts better than that paste. The paste's true function is to fill the AIR gaps between the metal (heat) conductors - CPU and HSF.

Thought I saw a guide on here somewhere...

It is one of the best methods anyway since it spreads all over the IHS. Spreading it evenly all over so that you can see it is okay but won't give you better performance after the burn-in period.

AS5's method on dual core IMHO is making you spread far too much thermal paste (so you can buy more of their tubes LOL).

[Mediocre]

Grain of sand puts too thick of a layer to completely cover the cpu.

Also, correctly applied, I've never seen it 'completely' cover a 'modern' cpu...in my experience.
Factory applied it usually misses ALL 4 corners. If you use enough to 'squish' it out over the 4 corners...you've used too much.

I usually use ~2 grains of sand sized drops, but when they are spread with a STRAIGHT edge, MOST of it ends up on the straight edge. Its an even, see-through light grey layer of AS5...too much and you loose anywhere around ~3C

[Mediocre]

We've had sort of a recall at work b/c we put a Celeron 2.66GHz (533MHz bus) into a tiny box with 1 fan....O and we had the factory put 1U coolers on them.

There was a huge difference in temp caused by the procedure used in the thermal paste application...

In the right situation, its worth applying it right..in most it doesn't matter.

[Lazzer408]

As an expierment when I was installing my e6600, I had everything stock. it was like 70c. Then I changed to AS5, it went down to like 60C, changed the heatsink to AC FreezerPro7, went to like 45C, changed to AS5, down to 36-40C.

I'm confused. How did you switch to AS5 twice? Did you try the AC FreezerPro 7 with regular paste first (45c) -then- AS5 (36-40c)?

[ny_driver]

I used a drop of AS-5 in the middle(you know a little bit out each side, but not the corners) and had 49c max temperature while I was racing/testing. No better than the radioshack stuff:wtf: so I removed the Arctic Cooler, popped the chip out cleaned and all the paste off of it with a paper towel. I then scraped all but a thin layer off of the HS with a plastic card and put it back together. After testing for 20 minutes or so I stopped to check the temperatures and to my surprise I found a max temperature of 43c then I tested again with the same results.

Sounds like 6c improvement. I believe the air was actually colder earlier today also. I'm impressed.:toast: