Another PSU Question

[freaksavior]

Ok i have this

http://www.outpost.com/product/4368555?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG&WebLogicSession=QtBXZEw7fCbwy0VbQcEqmK7On1qZ21txGy vq7T1U8a3e31KEdRXU%7C3434006138827860543/184095268/6/7001/7001/7002/7002/7001/-1%7C-2292517979227417629/184095267/6/7001/7001/7002/7002/7001/-1

and i have this

http://www.hardware-pacers.com/pages.php?catType=r&pid=233&id=449&pageX=on&PHPSESSID=7a50be3e4348b2ff6322aae03bf65d1a

the A1 psu is +3.3v @ 21A +5V @22a +5-sb @2a +12 @10a +12@ 15a -12 @.3a

so just wondering which one is better?

[freaksavior]

anybody?????

[bruins004]

Neither of them are good at all.
Raidmax used to be a good PSU manufacturer, but now they use cheap parts. Plus this PSU only have 18A on 12V rail which is really WEAK.
The other PSU I never heard of and it doesnt list any info for the PSU, hence it is cheap.
I would say use neither of them.
Take a look at this list and it will help show you the quality manufacturers ( http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=23843 ).

[freaksavior]

ok, gotcha. i looked at your link and dynapower usa is a tyre 5 which is obviously is bad. but do you think http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817255009 is ok for a gigabyte ds3, e6400, ocz platnuim ddr2 800mhz, and one sata hdd?

[bruins004]

A word of useful advice.
Never skimp on the PSU.
Its quite funny to see many people who build systems for $1000 and spend $20 on a PSU.
A bad PSU can kill your entire system.

Also, nowadays, the computer component that uses the most power are graphic cards.
So what is the GPU you have and are you going to be upgrading it anytime soon.

Just a suggestion is to get a good PSU so your parts dont get fried from under/over voltage.
Try to look for an OCZ or FSP PSU since they are good.
FSP makes pretty good budget PSUs as well.

[freaksavior]

it's only a 7300gs it's a low end card. ok yeah thanks for the advice as soon as i get some $$ i think i'm gonna get me a good psu

[bruins004]

it's only a 7300gs it's a low end card. ok yeah thanks for the advice as soon as i get some $$ i think i'm gonna get me a good psu

Then look for a FSP one.
Newegg has quite a few of them and they are very reliable brand.
You could prob. get a good one for $50.

[freaksavior]

btw the 7300gs is on my dad's system. (i :slap: myself) Anyway the psu would really be going in my system, see specs:)

[bruins004]

btw the 7300gs is on my dad's system. (i :slap: myself) Anyway the psu would really be going in my system, see specs:)

I never heard of that brand.
Which is never a good sign.

I myself usually stick with OCZ and FSP since they have very good parts in them as well as being reliable and a best bang for the buck.

I used to go with Antec, but they have been developing a lot of DOA and PSUs that blow up or die lately.
So I wouldnt go with them.

As they say you get what you pay for.

[WarEagleAU]

Enermax makes great psus as does Antec, TT, Ocz, Seasonic and PC P&C

[simsim44]

There are so many PSU's out there, which ever one you chose, (as it was said Don't skimp),if your vid card requires a ,say, 25a/12v rail, don't get the one that just matches get one thats SLIGHTLY higher as this will prove to be money saving as well as peace of mind ,you don't have to get (or you shouldn't get) the one that, say, 38a/12v as the PSU will deliver to much in the event that your vid card takes a dump,causing a damaging surge ( so i'm told) .

[freaksavior]

when i can afford it i think i'm going to get this one -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817341001

is it good? considering my setup?

but what would be a good one, i would love to get a modular since it would be less wires, and i don't even have pci-e yet.

[simsim44]

when i can afford it i think i'm going to get this one -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817341001

is it good? considering my setup?

but what would be a good one, i would love to get a modular since it would be less wires, and i don't even have pci-e yet.

I would not recommend a modular PSU take the time and read some reviews (this may help), and that OCZ PSU is IMHO a tad to much for you (this is only MY opinion) im sure you could find a suitable unit for around 60 bucks ,unless of course your future holds costly upgrades
"gigabyte ds3, e6400, ocz platnuim ddr2 800mhz, and one sata hdd" is this what you had in mind. here are some that I think would help you,for your current setup
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182030
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103928
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104954
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103936 ,here are some that are 500+;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182017
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182046
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182045
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817174024
and some of these maybe pushing it. ....Good luck... last thought, if your doing an upgrade it is usually 1or2 steps up, if your building a rig, start with what you want out of it.

[AshenSugar]

i would grab a fsp or epower unit, good choices all.

[Thermopylae_480]

If you want to take a risk with something cheap try this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817154013). It's my backup PSU which I'm unfortunately using at the moment since my Seasonic died. It's lasted me two years, which is good since it was supposed to be "temporary."

There is Thermaltake (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153023)
and FSP (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104953).

I recommend not skimping on quality though. It's just not worth the headaches, and you just usually end up replacing the PSU in less than a year.

[bruins004]

I would not recommend a modular PSU take the time and read some reviews (this may help), and that OCZ PSU is IMHO a tad to much for you (this is only MY opinion) im sure you could find a suitable unit for around 60 bucks ,unless of course your future holds costly upgrades
"gigabyte ds3, e6400, ocz platnuim ddr2 800mhz, and one sata hdd" is this what you had in mind. here are some that I think would help you,for your current setup
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182030
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103928
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104954
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103936 ,here are some that are 500+;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182017
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182046
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182045
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817174024
and some of these maybe pushing it. ....Good luck... last thought, if your doing an upgrade it is usually 1or2 steps up, if your building a rig, start with what you want out of it.

I got a question for you.
How could you reccommend all those PSUs.
Most of them are shit PSUs.
No offence, but Rosewill does not have quality parts within their PSUs, hence why they are cheap.
Also, Antec has had a really bad rep. for their PSUs lately since they have been using cheap parts as of late.
THey have been dying in like 8 months for no reason.

The only one I can reccommend that you have up there is the FSP one.
FSP is a great PSU manufacturer.

Next time when you decide to give advice, you might want to do your homework as well.
Its not just about the amps on the 12V rail.
It is also about the quality of the parts that are used and what OEM are used for these parts.

[Testing]

http://silverstonetek.com/products-56zf.htm

I recommend this for several reasons, whether your GPU requires the power or not.

38amp SINGLE 12v rail.
-I have no faith in multi rail PSU, even if you can use split adapters for the 6pin on PCI E GPUs. The multi rail PSU is not for GPU, it's for a different kind of system setup, and anyone who forked over £600 for a 1k watt quad rail PSU got ripped.

500-600 Watt range.
-Ample wattage.

150mm width.
-Will fit any mid size or higher case(average case size = 180mm width)

Silverstone brand.
-High end PSUs, strong, reliable, powerful.


These are the four things to consider with a PSU, as someone has made obvious in this thread, a PSU is a far underrated component, and no computer can survive without the proper one.


Current GBP price of this model Silverstone is on average, £65, or roughly $120-130 USD.
No frills, no empty thrills, this won't accent the uberness of your r337 computer case at a lan party. It's just good ol' refined power.

[freaksavior]

thats alot of amps. you sure that wouldn't fry my vid card from so much power? Testing what psu do you have? is it that one?

[Testing]

I have a thread in this forum about a computer I am 'remodeling.'

And on any of my other machines I use these PSUs, always.

Read the beginning of this article, then scan the "Tier 1" listing of PSUs, it is there.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088

To reassure you about your question: The computer mentioned in the other thread, ran that exact PSU for a month, before having the 8800 installed, and suffered no voltage fluxuations or power issues. If anything, it ran better, far better than those ridiculous 300 junkers they come with.

[bruins004]

http://silverstonetek.com/products-56zf.htm

I recommend this for several reasons, whether your GPU requires the power or not.

38amp SINGLE 12v rail.
-I have no faith in multi rail PSU, even if you can use split adapters for the 6pin on PCI E GPUs. The multi rail PSU is not for GPU, it's for a different kind of system setup, and anyone who forked over £600 for a 1k watt quad rail PSU got ripped.

500-600 Watt range.
-Ample wattage.

150mm width.
-Will fit any mid size or higher case(average case size = 180mm width)

Silverstone brand.
-High end PSUs, strong, reliable, powerful.


These are the four things to consider with a PSU, as someone has made obvious in this thread, a PSU is a far underrated component, and no computer can survive without the proper one.


Current GBP price of this model Silverstone is on average, £65, or roughly $120-130 USD.
No frills, no empty thrills, this won't accent the uberness of your r337 computer case at a lan party. It's just good ol' refined power.

Silverstone makes very good PSUs.
As for the multi-rail comments, it can be better to have a single rail since there is overhead in multi-rail PSUs when rails have to share amps.
However, the way I see it (with PSUs reaching new extremes like 1k and 2k PSUs), it will be pretty hard to keep it to one 12v line rail.
If you put too much current on a rail (which 38A is not even close to this), the rail will get fryed.
However, for now I agree that 1 rail is better.

Freak,
Your computer only uses the amount of amps it needs.
So it will not fry anything.
That is why you look for quality PSUs since they have undervoltage and overvoltage protection to help protect your parts.
I also suggest a power strip with this protection as well, just in case.

Anyways that is a very good PSU and if you notice it can supply up to 45amps max on the 12v rail.
The 38Amps is just what it will always supply.

As I tell everyone, if your computer takes (for example) 20 Amps to run, dont get a 20 Amp PSU, bc that PSU will be running at max all the time and die out quicker.
Give yourself some more headroom and get 28 or 30 amps PSU so you can OC or upgrade without worrying about the PSU.

[Rhino666]

600W PSU?! Jeez, what are you hiding back there, 20 HDD drives?? Never seen a rig that needed more than 300W... Sheesh...

[freaksavior]

sounds to me that thats a kick ass psu on my not so kick ass sytem. ok then i think it will be the 38A psu (damn that alot of amps)

[bruins004]

sounds to me that thats a kick ass psu on my not so kick ass sytem. ok then i think it will be the 38A psu (damn that alot of amps)

I was just noting that it is a very good PSU (both brand and quality).
If you do not want to dish out that much money then look for a 400W or 500W PSU that is a little cheaper.
Look for the brand FSP on newegg and they should run you much cheaper.
They use great parts as well.

I was just stating that if you are going to move to a C2D and a high end video card like the 8800 series then you will need that PSU listed above.

[freaksavior]

i don't know shit about psu. so if that is a really good one then i will get it. i'm going to sell an old computer that i have (p4 2.66ghz 533fsb 40gb hdd, radeon 9600, soyo p4i-845pe 1gb mushking 333mhz ram!) so if i got that one i could use it over again on the next build i do.

But something about $70-$110 would be better so i can get me some more ram as well.

[bruins004]

Mainly the components that use the most amps out of your PSU is the CPU and GPU.
However, as of late, the CPUs have been using less and less.
Therefore, the GPU is your #1 source of where most of the amps on the 12V line is used.

Also, if you are into Raiding, multiple Hard Drives and many DVD/CD drives take up some power as well.

As I said before it depends on if you are going to get a new video card soon (one that is high-mid level GPU).

I got a 550Watt for my build, but now when I upgrade that wont even be enough since it prob. wont be able to handle the 8800GTS.
So I would say if you are upgrading soon then get that one, otherwise, get a cheaper and lower wattage one (look for FSP on newegg as stated before if you go this route).

[simsim44]

I got a question for you.
How could you reccommend all those PSUs.
Most of them are shit PSUs.
No offence, but Rosewill does not have quality parts within their PSUs, hence why they are cheap.
Also, Antec has had a really bad rep. for their PSUs lately since they have been using cheap parts as of late.
THey have been dying in like 8 months for no reason.

The only one I can reccommend that you have up there is the FSP one.
FSP is a great PSU manufacturer.

Next time when you decide to give advice, you might want to do your homework as well.
Its not just about the amps on the 12V rail.
It is also about the quality of the parts that are used and what OEM are used for these parts.


I have owned low budget psu's in the past and had no problems with them, including the ones listed, no problems that i didn't have with the high dollar ones . the 8 months you are refering to is this a personal expeirence or what you have been told ,and if so ,what was the aplication, was it too demanding as it was said most people skimp on power supplies, not knowing the dangers it puts on the rest of the system. also"I" (my opinion) dont see the need for this person to have a120 dollar psu for the system thats posted .From thier post "I" would think that they are not a rig building Guru like yourself . and i have seen your post with this link "http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088" and agree that the Rosewell's are NOT top of the list, actually quite low on the list, however,"not recommended" for what ,a top of the line bone crushing rig, OK, this individual is not working with one . The point is the kid's looking at psu's, educate him just dont sell him a high dollar unit, without the why's, and yes "I"(my opinion) feel it's alot more to do with other factors than just amps on a rail, like efficiency,hold time and ovp to name a few.

[freaksavior]

Well I'm going to sell an old pc the one i listed above somewhere i believe. so, i am in need of ram as well i was thinking of these two items. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817811014 looks pretty good (don't really plan to go sli soon) and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231099 what do you think? so basically i obvisly need a new spu becasue the one i got is really poor quility and i have no ram so, about $200 is all i can spend

[bruins004]

I have owned low budget psu's in the past and had no problems with them, including the ones listed, no problems that i didn't have with the high dollar ones . the 8 months you are refering to is this a personal expeirence or what you have been told ,and if so ,what was the aplication, was it too demanding as it was said most people skimp on power supplies, not knowing the dangers it puts on the rest of the system. also"I" (my opinion) dont see the need for this person to have a120 dollar psu for the system thats posted .From thier post "I" would think that they are not a rig building Guru like yourself . and i have seen your post with this link "http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088" and agree that the Rosewell's are NOT top of the list, actually quite low on the list, however,"not recommended" for what ,a top of the line bone crushing rig, OK, this individual is not working with one . The point is the kid's looking at psu's, educate him just dont sell him a high dollar unit, without the why's, and yes "I"(my opinion) feel it's alot more to do with other factors than just amps on a rail, like efficiency,hold time and ovp to name a few.

When you say low-budget I am guessing you are talking about cheaply made PSUs.
I would never recommend one of those.
I see a lot of people buying $1000 systems with a $20 PSU.
There is something wrong with that, isnt there?
And when it blows up on them, they wonder why and are mad.
Personally I dont like taking that risk and I imagine a lot of others dont as well.

Just bc you have been lucky doesnt mean you should reccomend a low quality power supply.
I agree that that PSU is prob. too much, if he is not going to upgrade SOON to a HIGH END CARD.
I have already stated that.
If he isnt going to do that then get a FSP 400W or 500W since they are reliable PSUs that dont cost that much.

Also, cheap PSUs usually have horrible 12V lines.
The amps on those line fluctuate a lot and you lose a lot of power (with the little power they already give you on the 12v lines).

As for the Antec comment, I have not had any bad experiences yet with them (knock on wood).
However, I have heard, seen and read a few reviews that they have been dying on people.
And the reason is quite simple.
Its bc they changed their OEM parts they use, which are cheap parts now.
Kind of like what generic PSU makers use.

So next time you post please do your homework and look at reviews.
And please dont expect that everyone wants to take chance like you do.

[WarEagleAU]

Those are two damn nice fine choices for PSU and Ram. Cant go wrong.

[freaksavior]

well from what i have read from these post, you need a good 12v rail ampage, 28Amps isn't week. it's alot better than the current psu i got. rated at only 13a. but if i'm not going sli or some other High end gpu like a r600 or the 8800's then are you saying i could get something cheaper and be fine? like a fsp? Now the ram, if i got one of them now and then bought another later would it work just fine? as in would they be the same and run in dual channel? would i be better off getting a 2x512mb instead of 1x 1gb?

[bruins004]

well from what i have read from these post, you need a good 12v rail ampage, 28Amps isn't week. it's alot better than the current psu i got. rated at only 13a. but if i'm not going sli or some other High end gpu like a r600 or the 8800's then are you saying i could get something cheaper and be fine? like a fsp? Now the ram, if i got one of them now and then bought another later would it work just fine? as in would they be the same and run in dual channel? would i be better off getting a 2x512mb instead of 1x 1gb?

Thats a nice PSU, but you still might not need that much power unless you are going SLI or with a high end GPU.
If you dont you can still go a little cheaper.
I think FSP makes a 450W PSU for $60 or something like that.

I suggest you get the 1 x 1GB since it gives you more of an upgrade path for later on.
You can get another stick of this and they will run fine.
But you have to make sure that you get this exact RAM.