Gaming : Northwood or Prescott

[top41]

I am currently having poor Celelon, and i want a kind of better CPU like
3.0C 3.0E
Prescott or Northwood would be better at Gaming.
I am a overclocker and my RAM should be able to handle 230FSB Easily.

Which one would be better then,
Cache, Prescott got the advantage but i heard that Cache become slower than Northwood.

These CPU are clearly better than Barton at Gaming right ???
Please don't give advice about 754 939 775 AM2
I got no hope in money.....

[Steevo]

A prescott will help keep you warm in the winter.



But if you can get the heat away can handle some OCing.

[tkpenalty]

Northwood HT will provide more performance per-clock though. It runs much cooler, like 35* at idle while Preshot will run like nearly 45*C idle... (Or even more with a stock cooler).

[top41]

A prescott will help keep you warm in the winter.



But if you can get the heat away can handle some OCing.

Haha, Unfortunately, Winter here is about 25 summer 35 +
For pure, Northwood is better right.
Prescott better when OC very high.

[tkpenalty]

Haha, Unfortunately, Winter here is about 25 summer 35 +
For pure, Northwood is better right.
Prescott better when OC very high.

Thats when you get a huge-ass ultra-expensive cooler that is.

[AshenSugar]

um, how much you looking to spend?

and is your ram ddr1?

if so , honestly get a cheap sempy64 754 combo, cost you around the same as that chip but give you a far better bang for ur buck!!!

duno where u live but if its the states newegg, if aus, well ask some ausi's, if uk, ask somebody from the uk, i payed 115 for a 3000+ a64 and board, got a 16$ cooler for it, gave it to a buddy last summer(around aug) because he needed an upgrade from a 2gz p4 he had :)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103605
$46 for oem 3000+ venice cpu
in combo with a board its $83

or u can choose a board from here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Property&Subcategory=22&Description=&Type=&srchInDesc=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&PropertyCodeValue=709%3A7494&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A18309&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A11281&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A11283&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A18920&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A11282&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A20467&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A22530&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A20023&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A25455&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A18124&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A18489&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A27049&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A26996&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A26653&PropertyCodeValue=719%3A7522)

eather way its cheaper then a 3gz chip and better for gaming
add a cheap cooler and u should hit 2.7-2.9gz range easly on that chip even with a cheap board!!!!

for the best y54 board on that list get the biostar tforce6100, its like 10bucks more then the cheap ones but gives KICKASS overclocking!!!!!

[top41]

No company would ship any thing to my country.
I just got to use what we have -*-

BigTyphoon, What i'm using, but still 45-50 for my cely @ 3.22

[Specsaver]

Using Northwood. It still delivers even with newest games such as BF2 etc.

[lemonadesoda]

IMO Northy... e.g. 2.8C, overclock to 3.2. Easy.

[top41]

How much can 2.8C go with BigTyphoon and Abit ai7 ?
Umm...
So The Athlon XP loses The Northwood.
And the Northwood loses Athlon 64.
The Athlon 64 loses Core 2 Duo.
Is that right, if speed never stop, I Properly choose Northwood then.

[TXcharger]

prescott 3.0 o/c to 3.5 stock heatsink son...with my system bf2 loads in a 64 player multiplayer map in about 50 sec

[Polaris573]

I've owned both a 2.8Ghz Northwood and a 3.0Ghz Prescott. At equal clockspeeds I noticed the Prescott gives slightly better performance in newer games (company of heroes, Half-Life 2 Episode 1). That coupled with a stable 800Mhz overclock makes me prefer the prescott. The prescott also handily beat my northwood in sciencemark 2.0. The heat is a big drawback though, the stock load temperature is 20 degrees hotter than my Northwood using the same heatsink and case.

[ARTOSOFT]

Northwood is better than prescott (preshot).

Regards,
Arto.

[KennyT772]

the only technical differences are process size and sse3.

i have run a 3.0 northwood and a 3.0 prescott side by side and the prescott was faster. the prescott also folds about 10% faster, and shaved a few seconds off of superpi.

if you are currently on a celeron do not waste your money on a newer cpu. save your money until you can get a rebuild. for 5 times the cash you can get 10x better performance.

[Cybie1111]

Since I never had a northwood Pentium 4, I will not be a help to you that much but my experence with this might help you out in deciding if you want a prescott or a northwood.

I have this Pentium 4 Prescott for over 3 years, and was not overclocked until I was able to get a new motherboard later in 2006, because the motherboard I had earlier did not let me overclock ( my system was based off a Gateway system ) when I first got it. The temperatures were not as ideal at first, ranging around the mid to high 40's idle and in the early to mid 60's load. It might of been the reason that the prebuilt I bought had poor cooling. I got rid of the stock cooler that Gateway provided and it was a noticable improvement but I still require the blazing noise of the 4500 RPM 90mm fan to keep the temperatures low. Dispite the bad temperatures, gaming for me was great with this hot chip. The games load fast, and I was also able to run game servers at the same time without others getting lag spiked. After a new motherboard and case (and other crap) I was able to easily maintain the core temperature of my CPU. I have the core overclocked to 3.5 Ghz @ 1.29 (from stock 1.28) volts and I can easily keep the temperatures to a good mid 30's idle and load around the low 50's at half fan speed, thanks to the case's great ventilation. I will intend to continue using this chip until the Core 2 E6700 drops down to the current E6600 price later on, cause she is showing her age unfortunately.....

A prescott will help keep you warm in the winter.
QFT!

*Assuming that you have a Socket 478 system, I would have to go with KennyT772 and save up money and get a whole new system. It will be a money saver and you will end up getting a better bang you your money in the long run.

[top41]

So which is better ??
Some say Northwood some say Prescott
I mean, which is good at which ???
I want to save money for the new one but my cely burns out -*-.
Because I OC It to 4.2 GHz that's why.
_________________________
Northwood they say Cache is small but faster than Prescott.
Transistor in Northwood is bigger but Prescott got electrical leakage.
_________________________
What does SSE3 do then??

[TXcharger]

prescott o/c more and has a bigger cache(i think lol)

[pt]

No company would ship any thing to my country.
I just got to use what we have -*-

BigTyphoon, What i'm using, but still 45-50 for my cely @ 3.22

where do you live????
the prescott is better if you can handle all the heat i couldn't in summer and portugal in the summer is about 35ºc/40ºc, it would reach 70ºc/60ºc under load with a sonictower and a 120mm fa, the northwood runs much cooler ;)

[top41]

where do you live????
the prescott is better if you can handle all the heat i couldn't in summer and portugal in the summer is about 35ºc/40ºc, it would reach 70ºc/60ºc under load with a sonictower and a 120mm fa, the northwood runs much cooler ;)


Mind is same as yours'
But hotter is cool.
It's more fun to handle the heat :banghead:

[pt]

Mind is same as yours'
But hotter is cool.
It's more fun to handle the heat :banghead:

yea right
in case you have phase change only :banghead:

[lemonadesoda]

You can overclock a Northwood by about 5% and it will outperform a Prescot at stock. But the overclocked Northwood will still be cooler and therefore the fan of the CPU cooler doesn't need to spin so fast... and will therefore be quieter.

It also means case temperatures will be lower... meaning less stress on your HDD and your GPU.

I once had SMART warnings on my HDD due to overheat... due to csae temperature... not due to the HDD itself.

Go for the coolest solution unless you live in the artic circle, or you are DEAF.

A second hand Northwood is cheap on ebay.

[Sasqui]

I've had both.

3.0C 487 Northwood in Abit IC7-G, max overclock was 3.3 (ish)
3.0 775 Prescott (630) in Abit AG8, max overclock is 3.7 (ish), which was actually a motherboard limitation. As a matter of fact, I actually had the luxury of hand picking out of 4 different chips - they all reached the 3.7 with no problem.

Both watercooled.

I've heard tht only certain Northwoods are very overclockable, rumor was the version with 32 caps on the bottom were good (mine had 12). I *think* those are the numbers.

I'd go with a later version Prescott myself - but it's mostly hit or miss with just about any cpu.

[pt]

Mind is same as yours'
But hotter is cool.
It's more fun to handle the heat :banghead:

wait, you live in Portugal? :confused:

[Polaris573]

Northwood is better than prescott (preshot).

Regards,
Arto.
Do you have any current information to back up your statement or are you just reading old reviews from the first prescott release several years ago?

You can argue that the Northwood is better because, clock for clock, it's more efficient. However, that doesn't necessarily mean it yields better performance in newer games, and he does want to know which would be best for gaming. The larger cache and SSE3 need to be taken into account. Some of you are arguing like a the performance of a Northwood is significantly higher than that of a Prescott when this is simply not the case, and since Prescotts often overclock higher the performance disparity can be corrected. In addition with newer games the larger Cache of the Prescott does make a performance difference in programs that can utilize it. I think many of you are reading outdated articles and reviews from 2003 when the Prescott first came out and the larger cache and SSE3 didn't make much of a difference.

The only drawback to a Prescott vs. a Northwood is the heat. If you can deal with the atrocious amounts of heat, than it's not a bad processor. Having owned both processors, and personally benchmarking both, I still have to give the nod to the prescott as performing slightly better than my Northwood. You can look a the ScienceMark 2.0 (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=14736) page and see my Prescott beating my Northwood.

[top41]

wait, you live in Portugal? :confused:


Noo , I'm Thai.
I ment the temperature is about the same...

[top41]

Do you have any current information to back up your statement or are you just reading old reviews from the first prescott release several years ago?

You can argue that the Northwood is better because, clock for clock, it's more efficient. However, that doesn't necessarily mean it yields better performance in newer games, and he does want to know which would be best for gaming. The larger cache and SSE3 need to be taken into account. Some of you are arguing like a the performance of a Northwood is significantly higher than that of a Prescott when this is simply not the case, and since Prescotts often overclock higher the performance disparity can be corrected. In addition with newer games the larger Cache of the Prescott does make a performance difference in programs that can utilize it. I think many of you are reading outdated articles and reviews from 2003 when the Prescott first came out and the larger cache and SSE3 didn't make much of a difference.

The only drawback to a Prescott vs. a Northwood is the heat. If you can deal with the atrocious amounts of heat, than it's not a bad processor. Having owned both processors, and personally benchmarking both, I still have to give the nod to the prescott as performing slightly better than my Northwood. You can look a the ScienceMark 2.0 (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=14736) page and see my Prescott beating my Northwood.


You are absolutely right !!!
I was reading the tom's hardware article called scaling Northwood and Prescoot to 4.1 GHz.
Your answer are truely the best in here, that is what I really what I wanted to know.
I'm clear now, so even the cache is slower but northwood is to small for today's games.
That's it, I knew what I wanted to know, Thanks.
Regard,
Top41

[Brutalfate]

I have a P4 prescott.. used to have it clocked at 3.4Ghz during winter.. had to bring it back down to stock speeds (3.0ghz) now its summer, it was 41*C yesterday, bushfires everywhere. :(

[pt]

Noo , I'm Thai.
I ment the temperature is about the same...

ah, ok, got it wrong :o

[top41]

I have a P4 prescott.. used to have it clocked at 3.4Ghz during winter.. had to bring it back down to stock speeds (3.0ghz) now its summer, it was 41*C yesterday, bushfires everywhere. :(

Hehe, I don't really care about the heat :banghead:
Because I want to handle it :pimp:
:shadedshu But can I ??

The truth is I just want pure performance base on Gaming.

And by the way, can I Join your AGP Club thing.
I love AGP :D

[top41]

ah, ok, got it wrong :o


It's me, I explain it wrong. --

[Steevo]

I once opend my office windows during winter (4F out) at my old apartment and run my 2.8Pressie up to 3.6 but with a Sparq7 cooler it sounded like a jet taking off.


But damn was it fast.

[top41]

Jet taking off hahahaha -*-
Mr.Moderator explain very good.
I properbly choose Prescott.

[top41]

http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/05/17/p4_northwood_and_prescott_comparison_at_4/page9.html
Prescott Slicely better isn't it.
I also looked up for comparison between Barton as well.
Barton cann't keep up with these CPU.
Athlon 64 win these CPU
I properly chhose Prescott now
I might get it in a month.
Slower Cache,Longer pipe but newwer technology win, a bit.

[top41]

http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-195-5.htm
Benchy drive me crazy

[tkpenalty]

Prescott gets so preshot... The 3.2Ghz version is good for overclocking (northwood). If you don't want thermal issues then get the Northwood, but for performacne Prescott.

[NamesDontMatter]

I have owned a prescott and northwood, I actually perfer the northwood lower temps, some chips OC really well. THe cache advantage over the northwood dosent amount to much. Both chips up around 3.4-3.6 are pretty solid and give pretty identical performance. I highly reccomend upgrading to a newer PC, an X2 3600 + mobo can be done for 150. Why pay for a northwood/prescott now?

[top41]

Umm I think so.

[top41]

http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000315
Very interesting

[noobtastic]

I had a northy and a prescott as well.. my northwood didnt clock to good, so I perfered the presscott (no problem with heat 38 idle and 48 load). Anyways I did my own testing to see what would work best with my system. I chose prescott just because I could get a bit better performance and alot higher clocks. I chalk it up to the L2 being a bit more

my notes.. little hard to read but uhh here ya go


Bench marks
cpu = northwood 3.0 L2 512
@ 3.0 fsb 200 1:1 3dmark05 = 5105
@ 3.15 fsb 210 1:1 3dmark05 5217
@ 3.375 fsb 225 5:4 3d05 5278
@ 3.405 fsb 227 5:4 3d05 5315

cpu = prescott 3.4 L2 1mb
@ 3.4 fsb 200 1:1 3d05 5439
@ 3.57 fsb 210 1:1 3d05 5479
@ 3.6 fsb 212 1:1 3d05 5472
@ 3.825 fsb 225 5:4 3d05 5476

reinstalled windows
@ 3.57 fsb 210 1:1 3d05 5533
@3.8 fsb 225 5:4 3d05 5591
@3.9 fsb 230 5:4 3d05 5583
@3.99 fsb 235 5:4 3d05 5614

[top41]

Thanks
L2 1MB Cache are getting used by newer applaction.
SSE3 are getting use to.

[NamesDontMatter]

Thanks
L2 1MB Cache are getting used by newer applaction.
SSE3 are getting use to.

examples?

Its not worth it in my opinion, I have been using P4 for quite some time and have built about 10 P4 rigs for people (a while back that is). P4 is largly dated, I suggest going AMD X2 or having some patience and save your pennies.

[top41]

Thanks for opnion