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Guttboy

01-23-2007, 12:09 AM

Guys,

My buddy that wanted to build a computer has found this computer online and wants to buy it TONIGHT or TOMORROW! :wtf: :banghead: Please let me know if it is a good deal for him....It has everything he wants and he does not want to overclock.....

Here it is.....

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/ultra7500.asp?v=d

Pls let me know what you think!!!!

I reallly appreciate it everyone....I am NOT up on todays stuff and am just starting my research!!!

Thanks in advance!!!!!

:)

PyroInc

01-23-2007, 12:12 AM

I could probably build that same system for about $300 less. If he's just an entry to middle level gamer this system will be alright in my opinion

Namslas90

01-23-2007, 12:23 AM

Video card listed as 'NONE'!! not gonna game in any detail without one!!(2)

DOM

01-23-2007, 12:27 AM

Video card listed as 'NONE'!! not gonna game in any detail without one!!(2)

:laugh: thats for the 2nd vid its has 7600GS ;)

Track

01-23-2007, 12:29 AM

That absolutely sucks and isnt going to work.

Guttboy

01-23-2007, 12:31 AM

I was going to build for him but he really really wants one....plus I think he may feel better with the warranty.....It didnt look all that bad for mid level gaming....He loves Company of Heroes and wants to play that with good graphics....

Boy Track...you have really good info there....I will surely pay attention to you ;)

Track

01-23-2007, 12:32 AM

I was going to build for him but he really really wants one....plus I think he may feel better with the warranty.....It didnt look all that bad for mid level gaming....He loves Company of Heroes and wants to play that with good graphics....

That PC is a joke. You can play Company of Heroes well on a 7600 GS. You cant use a 7600 GS on the "case PSU". You cant use AMD CPUs.. beacause they suck.

Namslas90

01-23-2007, 12:33 AM

:laugh: thats for the 2nd vid its has 7600GS ;)

7600!!! - Like I said - NONE!!:roll:

DOM

01-23-2007, 12:34 AM

warranty? dont you get that even if its put together yourself :p

DOM

01-23-2007, 12:36 AM

7600!!! - Like I said - NONE!!:roll:

:confused: :wtf: are you saying it suck lol cuz theres if one :D

Guttboy

01-23-2007, 12:42 AM

yes the warranty....he wants to be able to ship back I suppose but you can do that with components...heck I dont know...not everyone wants to build a computer...hell if everyone did DELL/Gateway would be out of business...LOL....

Seriously on the card though...I dont know jack about NVIDIA products....any reccs on that card...is it THAT bad?

Namslas90

01-23-2007, 12:43 AM

:confused: :wtf: are you saying it suck lol cuz theres if one :D

No, I'm saying it's as good as none. The 7600 series is OK but not that good!! Can't get many games to run in good detail with that thing. Better off with duel's or a 7800/7900 series, or ATI 1800 & ^!! :toast:

Namslas90

01-23-2007, 12:45 AM

Guttboy

01-23-2007, 12:49 AM

Ahhhh....thanks Namslas!

Any thoughts on how that card compares to an ATI Radeon 9800XT....that is what I have and COH runs well on it....then I can compare "qualitatively" I guess.

Appreciate the help!

zekrahminator

01-23-2007, 01:00 AM

You cant use AMD CPUs.. beacause they suck.

We don't troll, Track.

Namslas90

01-23-2007, 01:03 AM

The 9800XT is a good card for that genneration. However we are now on the cusp of a new genneration. Therefore in order to get the most out of a new build you should upgrade to a newer genneration card, so it may support the games of the future. Remember the industry is in the midst of changing to DX10 and the older genneration cards won't be able to support DX10.

Both Nvidea and ATI are in the beginning stages of new card development. Nvidia just released the 8800 series, and ATI is next with their R600 GPU cards. The 8800 series so far has proven to be good, but not the improvement people were looking for. ATI"s last genneration X1950 series cards can almost keep up with the 8800 series, with Nvidea beating them out by 30-40 points in most benchmark apps.

The 7600 is a genneration ahead of the 9800 so compairsons aren't fair. Check out the Video card threads here @ TPU, lots of good info and even links to compairisions.

The 9800 is a genneration behind the 7XXX series same as X1XX series from ATI.
I will try to locate one of those threads for you, or maybe others can help?

Guttboy

01-23-2007, 01:08 AM

Thanks Namslas....I did some comparisons on some websites and It shows that the 9800 is rated higher...I guess because it was based upon the gen old vs gen new.....

I guess his system will be ok for now....he just called but I am avoiding the call til I can get some more info....LOL

BTW....I just ignore Track.....

PuMA

01-23-2007, 05:15 AM

Thats1 rip-off pc....

tkpenalty

01-23-2007, 09:36 AM

Eww... how's that a gaming PC?

The package is so overpriced.

Wile E

01-23-2007, 09:45 AM

At least upgrade the power supply and possibly the vid card. If he insists on going prebuilt, that's an OK system. It won't be tops in anything, tho. I still say it's better to build.

Khriez

01-23-2007, 10:03 AM

I was an idiot for buying a 7600 GS vid card. I regret it (but not so much) since I can go back to the older games I played and turn the settings high to max with little slow downs.

The card can barely handle F.E.A.R.

PuMA

01-23-2007, 02:56 PM

Guttboy

01-23-2007, 06:50 PM

Thanks guys....he did a price check on the Egg today and (i have not confirmed this) that the Egg prices were $60 more than that. So I am a bit confused as to why it is a rip off for him?

Guttboy

01-23-2007, 11:59 PM

Well I took the 15 min and compared the prices and by pricing the parts individually off of New Egg...and having to fudge a couple of things as I couldnt know the exact item....with shipping from the Eggo it comes down to within 100 bucks less at the egg than having it made and shipped for him.

So it actually isnt such a bad deal for the guy....he does not want to build it himself (with hekp of course....LOL)....

PyroInc....$300.00 less huh?....from where?

AshenSugar

01-24-2007, 01:25 AM

i got one word for you

NEWEGG

buy parts and get the extended warr, they will replace them FAST ;) (least they use to offer extended fast turnaround warr on the egg)

ex_reven

01-24-2007, 02:30 AM

warranty? dont you get that even if its put together yourself :p

of course you do
you get a 1-3 year manufacturer warranty.
I dont see how the warranty would differ between a store putting the pc together and yourself.

Namslas90

01-24-2007, 03:08 AM

Thanks guys....he did a price check on the Egg today and (i have not confirmed this) that the Egg prices were $60 more than that. So I am a bit confused as to why it is a rip off for him?

How long is that warranty from the builder?
Most parts/components have a longer waranty then prebuilts.
Will the prebuilt company "Unlock the BIOS'
"allow you to upgrade yourself"
"give you the information you need to upgrade without them"
"charge for technical information"
Will they even answer the phone when you call, or do they have a
staff with tech support available, like most component companys.

Are the components of this system still under manfacturer warranty? Are they 'refurbished"?
Have you researched this companys reputation? Did you call the BBB.
In my experience these "DEALS" have always turned out NOT to be "DEALS", but rippoffs.
$1000 may not be much but I'm sure he worked hard and saved long to get it together. It would be a shame, for him to loose in the end; but, I guess that could happen either way? Probably not!!

AshenSugar

01-24-2007, 03:23 AM

...... You cant use AMD CPUs.. beacause they suck.

comming from a guy with a nutburst 3gz cpu........ROFL.......my sides are spliting........

17" monotor........oh the pain..................:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

ex_reven

01-24-2007, 03:27 AM

coming from a guy with a nutburst 3gz cpu

just because theyr dramatically outdated compared to newer cores doesnt make them crap
My old 3ghz served and continues to serve me well in anything I need to do, besides benchmarks. Woop te doo for benchmarks.

And in winter :D Prescott provides much needed heat for my room lol

Namslas90

01-24-2007, 03:33 AM

And in winter :D Prescott provides much needed heat for my room lol

:laugh: :roll: :roll: :laugh: :laugh: :toast: Computers are so versitile arn't they.

ex_reven

01-24-2007, 03:41 AM

Damn straight :)

AshenSugar

01-24-2007, 04:08 AM

hey my buddys house is warm all winter with the 12 workstations and 4 servers hes got.

6of the sm(4 servers and 2 pc's) are recycles p4 systems, the rest are amd stuff, the p'4 along produce enought heat that his furnis hasnt been on in 2-3 years!!!!!! and yes the pressy's produce plenty of heat, hes got an exaust fan sucking the heat out of the basemanetinto the main house(2 story above basement) in the summber u cant stand being in that room, even with the ac cranked to max (rest of house freezing) the basements 90+