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J0N
02-02-2007, 10:23 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/28/wkim28.xml

Came across this today. I dont know how anyone could allow or support the decion of a 12 year old to do this?! Surely they must be far far too young to make this sort of decision. Im sure many 12 year old boys play with barbies... dosent mean they need a sex change! Madness!

Solaris17
02-02-2007, 10:26 PM
that would seriously F you up too i mean you still grow and obviously mature sooo what are they doing about that? Killing enzymes? pumping him with estrogen?

Thermopylae_480
02-02-2007, 10:30 PM
Mmmkay. Definitely the oddest thing I've heard all year.

J0N
02-02-2007, 10:31 PM
Its wrong on so many levels! I like to think im faily open minded, and if you get to your mid-last 20's and you decide you want a sex change, i'll never understand you but i'll accept it. But for a 12 year old?! What if they grow up, and decide they made the wrong decision?

Im really suprised that authorities allowed it even!

DanTheBanjoman
02-02-2007, 10:35 PM
I hope she's not hot, would be terrible for a guy to find out your first kiss is from another guy.

lemonadesoda
02-02-2007, 11:02 PM
Jokes aside, this is a terribly sad story... imagine if you truely believed you were in the wrong body. I'm sorry for this person and their parents... cannot be an easy thing to go through... especially knowing that your sex life will never exist in the normal way.

Lazzer408
02-02-2007, 11:07 PM
Is anyone ever happy with themselfs?

WarEagleAU
02-02-2007, 11:19 PM
Im not sorry for him. Ill never understand people like this nor would I ever condone it. The thing is though, its not for me to decide or judge. All I know is, Im not one for it. At 12 years old, you dont know much about yourself yet.

Lazzer408
02-02-2007, 11:26 PM
Im not sorry for him. Ill never understand people like this nor would I ever condone it. The thing is though, its not for me to decide or judge. All I know is, Im not one for it. At 12 years old, you dont know much about yourself yet.

Exactly. If I was a physician I would have thought a decision like that should be made after puberty. To many kids are gender confused. A large percentage of them (mostly male) think they are women trapped in a mans body and if you hang with a large crowd I'm sure you all know the guy I'm talking about. lol :roll:

Protius
02-02-2007, 11:42 PM
that's just wrong

DRDNA
02-02-2007, 11:42 PM
for me:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: For thoughs that do :ohwell: :ohwell: NO JUDGMENT FROM mE.. i would never promote such but what can i do besides _ _ _ _!

ex_reven
02-02-2007, 11:45 PM
the world is becoming more and more f--ked up

i mean, marilyn manson is a weirdo and you dont see him getting sex changes :p

wazzledoozle
02-03-2007, 12:49 AM
WTF?

"She" will have a dick until she's 18. That'll be a nice surprise for his, er her's first sex partner.

ex_reven
02-03-2007, 12:54 AM
WTF?

"She" will have a dick until she's 18. That'll be a nice surprise for his, er her's first sex partner.

as long as "shes" hot
lol kidding

Lazzer408
02-03-2007, 01:00 AM
WTF?

"She" will have a dick until she's 18. That'll be a nice surprise for his, er her's first sex partner.

Riiight... That's not exactly the first thing I would be hoping for the first time I had sex. I'd run screaming! Someone should tell Ms. Mister how much money she'he would make in the porn industry.

ex_reven
02-03-2007, 01:43 AM
I sometimes wish i could have a sex change..


to the person who said 12 yo don't know nothing about their bodies, im 12 and I already discovered my prostate, nothing beats spending some time jerking..

okkkkk

we dont really want to know what you stick up your ass to get there lol

REALLY

wazzledoozle
02-03-2007, 03:18 AM
I sometimes wish i could have a sex change..


to the person who said 12 yo don't know nothing about their bodies, im 12 and I already discovered my prostate, nothing beats spending some time jerking..

This is why your country lost the cold war. Too busy pleasuring your own assholes :laugh:

ex_reven
02-03-2007, 03:24 AM
This is why your country lost the cold war. Too busy pleasuring your own assholes :laugh:

L M F A O
Best.
Call.
EVER.

ex_reven
02-03-2007, 04:08 AM
wazzledoozle, you have just proved yourself to bean idiot.

noone won cold war really

actually russia did lose...if you look at the state of the russian economy compared to the americans the russian economy was in a terrible state throughout and after the cold war. They have only just begun to recover IMO, russias economy is booming atm.

rick22
02-03-2007, 04:27 AM
hey wass get a life..tpu should kick u off:nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick:

ex_reven
02-03-2007, 04:31 AM
...the fk?

GLD
02-03-2007, 04:59 AM
I sometimes wish i could have a sex change..


to the person who said 12 yo don't know nothing about their bodies, im 12 and I already discovered my prostate, nothing beats spending some time jerking..

I guess this was obvious to us all here at TPU, with your sig saying your pt's servant. A guy should never be someones servant, thats just wrong. Good luck with those *feelings*

65tweet
02-03-2007, 07:38 AM
The funny thing is I hear lots of men who become women end up lesbians :wtf: I never heard any actual numbers but that doesn't surprise me.

DRDNA
02-03-2007, 04:18 PM
This is why your country lost the cold war. Too busy pleasuring your own assholes :laugh:

Dude if your not this kids friend , then that statement is kind of out of line , more so because you are a MOD here....You kind of surprised me with this one:mad: ...maybe you meant no offense , but this could be very offensive for the kid . Just my 2cents.

ex_reven
02-04-2007, 05:15 AM
Dude if your not this kids friend , then that statement is kind of out of line , more so because you are a MOD here....You kind of surprised me with this one:mad: ...maybe you meant no offense , but this could be very offensive for the kid . Just my 2cents.

that doesnt make it any less hilarious :laugh:

Fleekar
02-04-2007, 05:23 AM
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=harisu&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

That's a guy, and he is marrying a guy too. I dunno if this 12 yr old can match that by changing so soon.

according to wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harisu he did his around 23 years old.

Or maybe changing sex before/during puberty makes the girly side develop better?

I seriously could not believe she was a man until researching further. :banghead:

PyroInc
02-04-2007, 05:26 AM
I seriously dont know what to say.,....:shadedshu

ex_reven
02-04-2007, 05:29 AM
i feel sorry for the people that get off over that chick :p

GLD
02-04-2007, 07:35 AM
When I was 12, all I could think of was getting inside some pussy, not getting one inside of me. This thread made russianboy tell us of him jerkin his gerkin and his sex change thoughts. 12 yr. old boys are supposed to be wanting pussyy on their face, on their mushroom tip, in their bed, but not replacing their pecker for a box a penis cums in. :shadedshu What is this world coming to? :(

AshenSugar
02-04-2007, 08:12 AM
ok gdl ur last post is very.......um.........abstract i guess is the nice way of putting it.

and i know a "chick" who was born a "dude" now way could she have had a normal sex life as a guy, the equipment wasnt.....formed correctly, it was a mess down there, the doctors and pairnts desided it would be best at the time to raise her as a girl, truth to tell, if u met her you wouldnt have a clue she wasnt geneticly/chromozonaly ment to be one, well other then her being a bit more open about sex then most chix(tho i know other girls like that to, they seem to find me, must be the kinda chix im around or something)

my point is, i couldnt understand cutting off my packege, but then again, i will admit i have wondered what it would be like to have a pussy(what guy honestly hasnt? )

but im not gonna judge others on it, well other then to say that if you look like a dude as this "chick" i use to work with did(adams apple!!!!) dont get a sex change :P

in this case, 12, i think its to young, and yes dudes play with dolls, people need to get over it, when i was a kid i had gi joes and other dolls(mother ran a daycare...pretty ponys or strawberry shortcake anybody? )

honest to god, i had older kids tease me, but i also hung around the chixorz more then they did (hehe yes yes, alot of "you show me yours and ill show you mind" went on.... ) i never really had that stage where i dissliked girls, corse that did cause me troubles with some of the boys of that age, but hey, it did have advanteges ;)

my policy is "dont judge others" now ofcorse i do judge people, we all do, but i dont judge them on their sex, haircolor, race, religion....well other then johova nitwits.....they are annoing...... i judge people on who they are to me and my friends, and i find that i have more friends then enimys, also find i have more fun with people because i dont judge them on external factors :)

GLD
02-04-2007, 08:49 AM
I understand when a sex change/correction is needed if a person is born without proper reproductive organs. I just can't understand (anatomically correct) people wanting to change their gender, especially before they have went through their teenage years.

To get back to the "what is the world coming to". I don't know what is on TV in other countries, but here in the USA, the TV network people seem to care less that they are cramming the homosexual agenda down our throats...pun...maybe. Shows like Will & Grace, TV people like Ellen, Rosy, etc, etc, etc. They seem to want to tell us it's OK to be gay. Those kinds of ideas could be embedding themselves in the young impressionable minds and possibly making kids want to change their gender because they believe it is OK.

NEWS FLASH: It isn't right to be gay. God made Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve. You can't reproduce with the same sex people!

ex_reven
02-04-2007, 09:00 AM
People will learn when the worlds population starts dieing out

I love natural selection...It makes "idiots" (vague emphasis on the word) obsolete

Scavar
02-04-2007, 09:08 AM
Actually, you can reproduce with the same sex, just not naturally of course. Saying that homosexuality is wrong, is also wrong though. A large percentage of nature practices homosexuality, not to mention a great deal of human history. Reproduction and the survival of the human race, has nothing to do with love and what someone wants to be.

Now on this, I completely agree that He/She is far too young, and I disagree with those medical and pyscological doctors who OK'd it. I would say 22 or so is a better age, as by then puberty is msotly done(puberty in a normal human would actually make sex change from what little we actually understand more difficult, at least from what I have been told)


Another thing, I don't know if TPU has anything about religion, but please don't go throwing around religion as a reason for something like this. You have no idea what kind of religion this child was brought up with. They could be Pagan for all you know, Buddist, or any other countless things. And in my own opinion, I tend to lose belief in a person when they begin to quote anything religious related, outside of a conversation about religon, or with a religious establishment.

ex_reven
02-04-2007, 09:19 AM
Actually, you can reproduce with the same sex, just not naturally of course. Saying that homosexuality is wrong, is also wrong though. A large percentage of nature practices homosexuality, not to mention a great deal of human history. Reproduction and the survival of the human race, has nothing to do with love and what someone wants to be.

Now on this, I completely agree that He/She is far too young, and I disagree with those medical and pyscological doctors who OK'd it. I would say 22 or so is a better age, as by then puberty is msotly done(puberty in a normal human would actually make sex change from what little we actually understand more difficult, at least from what I have been told)


Another thing, I don't know if TPU has anything about religion, but please don't go throwing around religion as a reason for something like this. You have no idea what kind of religion this child was brought up with. They could be Pagan for all you know, Buddist, or any other countless things. And in my own opinion, I tend to lose belief in a person when they begin to quote anything religious related, outside of a conversation about religon, or with a religious establishment.

Anyone can reproduce using unnatural means, whats your point? I dont see taxpayers prepared to fund billion dollar projects for the means of allowing homosexuals to concieve for free or at a low price as part of your Medicare rebate.

Also, religion has nothing to do with my reasoning. Im simply stating that its totally 'uneconomical', if you wanna call it that, for homosexuals to reproduce and survive. Which is where Darwin's theory comes into place. Put basically, only the strong survive. And until homosexuals can convince a government into spending money on a minority group (similar to trying to convince a government to save an endangered species - which is why the majority of animal protection scenarios are overlooked by private organisations by the way of donations), you will find that their 'species' will dwindle or remain a low constant in numbers.

AshenSugar
02-04-2007, 09:22 AM
I understand when a sex change/correction is needed if a person is born without proper reproductive organs. I just can't understand (anatomically correct) people wanting to change their gender, especially before they have went through their teenage years.

To get back to the "what is the world coming to". I don't know what is on TV in other countries, but here in the USA, the TV network people seem to care less that they are cramming the homosexual agenda down our throats...pun...maybe. Shows like Will & Grace, TV people like Ellen, Rosy, etc, etc, etc. They seem to want to tell us it's OK to be gay. Those kinds of ideas could be embedding themselves in the young impressionable minds and possibly making kids want to change their gender because they believe it is OK.

NEWS FLASH: It isn't right to be gay. God made Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve. You can't reproduce with the same sex people!

cant belive somebody from cali would talk like that.....honestly.

and i dont think your correctin saying its not right, corse i also dont feel that the adam and eve storys true, crazy christian "everything just appeared one day" crap again.

i dont give a crap if somebodys gay/lesbo strait or what the fuck ever, as long as they dont try and drag me into gay sex or turn me gay im happy to let them be.

now i do get tired of watching gays and dykes make out at the local community college outside the doors *ewwww* the cute lessbo's.....well thats diffrent :rockout:

i think you and people like you need to learn some tollerance, and Ellen, Rosy,and the like arent turning kids gay by being on tv, i would be more worried about crap like dr.fill turning everything into psyco babble and crap like teletubbies,barnie and spongebob rotting the minds of our youth.

but i agree with reven here on one thing, eventuly the stupid will start dieing out, hey think about it this way, the gays/lesbos/dykes wont spred their genes but the stupid imbread rednecks will.....duno, but i would rather a smart lesbo/dyke have a kid then an imbread redneck whos names bubba and only made it thru highschool because he was playing foot ball so he got an instant pass in his classes ;)

the stupid need to be thined out, gays/homosexuals will enlarge not have kids, tho i do feel that if they want to adopt that should be allowed, its better for a kid to have some pairnts then to live in a group home or foster care, you can ask my buddy boone about that, if you like, he was adopted by a guy who was very gay, tho the state didnt know it at the time, the guy never did anything gay around him, other then have his manfriend over once in a while for dinner, and boone(last name) knew what was up, but he will flat out tell you that his life did nothing but get better after he got a real home isnted of constantly changing foster homes all the time, oh and hes got 4 or 5 kids last time i saw him, biggest horndog i ever met next to my uncle.........

blah, basicky Actually, you can reproduce with the same sex, just not naturally of course. Saying that homosexuality is wrong, is also wrong though. A large percentage of nature practices homosexuality, not to mention a great deal of human history. Reproduction and the survival of the human race, has nothing to do with love and what someone wants to be.

Now on this, I completely agree that He/She is far too young, and I disagree with those medical and pyscological doctors who OK'd it. I would say 22 or so is a better age, as by then puberty is msotly done(puberty in a normal human would actually make sex change from what little we actually understand more difficult, at least from what I have been told)


Another thing, I don't know if TPU has anything about religion, but please don't go throwing around religion as a reason for something like this. You have no idea what kind of religion this child was brought up with. They could be Pagan for all you know, Buddist, or any other countless things. And in my own opinion, I tend to lose belief in a person when they begin to quote anything religious related, outside of a conversation about religon, or with a religious establishment.

said it all :)

J0N
02-04-2007, 09:59 AM
i feel sorry for the people that get off over that chick :p

The whole nation of South Korea idolise a tranny... Its a bit wrong...

mullered07
02-04-2007, 10:06 AM
12 years old and having a sex change is very wrong imo, you dont know what you want at that age and tbh the doctors who apprroved this should be struck off immediatly, sickens me someone would condone this sorta shit in the first place, i dont think its the kids fault at all, after all thats what he/she is a KID.


hey who cares about your 800 or 850........:nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick:

thats 2 immature provocative posts, looking for a flame war or just havent got 2 brain cells to be able to come up with a mature respsonse to the thread?

oh and btw you DUMASS he didnt say anything about his 800 beationg his 850, thats his sig :slap: :shadedshu

AshenSugar
02-04-2007, 10:06 AM
The whole nation of South Korea idolise a tranny... Its a bit wrong...

they do?

J0N
02-04-2007, 10:12 AM
they do?

Apparently so... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harisu

AshenSugar
02-04-2007, 10:17 AM
guess it could be worse, they could be worshiping bush :P

mullered07
02-04-2007, 10:18 AM
Apparently so... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harisu

holy shit shes hot lol i dont care ill say it :p i just wouldnt do it (well :ohwell: )

anyone remember the post about that guy on another forum who posted a screenie of his desktop and forgot to move his "transexual videos" folder :roll: maybe he's from south korea lol :p

wazzledoozle
02-04-2007, 10:30 AM
holy shit shes hot lol i dont care ill say it :p i just wouldnt do it (well :ohwell: )

anyone remember the post about that guy on another forum who posted a screenie of his desktop and forgot to move his "transexual videos" folder :roll: maybe he's from south korea lol :p

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Harisubook2.jpg

:twitch:

If everything's functional downstairs, I'd hit that.

AshenSugar
02-04-2007, 10:32 AM
some of the pix of "her" are "hot" others look to me like a jap dude in drag(like all their actors in life plays, dudes play chix)

like i said , i dont judge, but it really could be worse, they could be like many crazy americans worshiping bush*shudders*

ex_reven
02-04-2007, 10:39 AM
mines better :D

AshenSugar
02-04-2007, 10:53 AM
ugg u made her look french.....well her pits anyway :P

J0N
02-04-2007, 10:53 AM
mines better :D


:roll:

Sick Sick Sick Sick Sick! Is that before her agent photoshopped it? ;)

ex_reven
02-04-2007, 10:56 AM
:roll:

Sick Sick Sick Sick Sick! Is that before her agent photoshopped it? ;)

well that was the end result of a whole team of photoshoppers from taiwan
then they sent it to america for touching up ;)

AshenSugar
02-04-2007, 11:03 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Harisubook2.jpg

:twitch:

If everything's functional downstairs, I'd hit that.

hey one advantege i can think of there, no worries about getting a call in 9 months :P

ex_reven
02-04-2007, 11:25 AM
hey one advantege i can think of there, no worries about getting a call in 9 months :P

i can liken that to:

"I dont have to worry about pregnancy because im f--king a man"
lol...

AshenSugar
02-04-2007, 11:31 AM
hey u want bad, i know a couple that the chick uses a thing kinda like a strapon to do the guy up the bumb b4 hes allowed to back door her(no joke)

as i have said repetedly, THATS A ONE WAY STREET and its trafic flow is OUT.......NO ADMITANCE!!!!!!

Greek
02-04-2007, 11:33 AM
i think his parents must be shot.

ex_reven
02-04-2007, 11:38 AM
i think his parents must be shot.

HER parents :p

Greek
02-04-2007, 11:53 AM
lol well i knew some1 was gonna say her, but i go with the original view, HE A BOY:P lol

dcxbox
02-04-2007, 07:56 PM
I hope she's not hot, would be terrible for a guy to find out your first kiss is from another guy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=432094&in_page_id=17

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/01_wk4/timkim280107_228x323.jpg

sorry but shes pretty damn hot, if she was only 18

Polaris573
02-04-2007, 08:27 PM
Cool it guys. None of this is worth getting in a fight over.

J0N
02-04-2007, 08:31 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=432094&in_page_id=17

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/01_wk4/timkim280107_228x323.jpg

sorry but shes pretty damn hot, if she was only 18


Im sorry, but that is not hot. If you shaved off its hair you'd think it was a pre-pubescant boy playing dress up. (Which it is...dress up to-the-max)

mullered07
02-04-2007, 09:14 PM
Calm down... This is proper special olympics! Relaxxx. :toast:

check his posts this is his usual, some n00bish remarks waiting for a reaction of someone or tells people who have a problem to chuck out there hardware and buy somthing better :slap: :o

(ignore button works a treat :D )

Scavar
02-04-2007, 09:41 PM
ex raven sorry for the confusion, but my religious comments were pointed at GDL not you. I also think I was a little misunderstood. I was simply stating it was possible teo reproduce unnaturally.

Now what does it matter if two men are homosexual if they father children with women. Like I said reproduction, which is the surival of the human race, has nothing to do with the affection and love that people can feel with one another. But that is somewhat off topic.


I myself went through a whole "what sex am I" phase, and though I still feel wrong, I feel that everyone at somepoint feels wrong. I wouldn't be comfortable in any body. Being 12 is just far too young an age to really understand yourself mentally and physically. Yes you can be intelligent and mature, and more adult then others at that age, but this whole medical procedure is just wrong in my view. I happen to think its always wrong, our medical technology is not up to the power of completely transforming your sex. Koreans aside.

dcxbox
02-04-2007, 10:44 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Harisubook2.jpg

:twitch:

If everything's functional downstairs, I'd hit that.
it depends some pre-opts cant have an erection and some can. some ac t differently to the hormones. i doubt the girl kim who had started hormones at 12 could at all, she might i dunno, but her chances are slim

J0N
02-04-2007, 10:49 PM
it depends some pre-opts cant have an erection and some can. some ac t differently to the hormones. i doubt the girl kim who had started hormones at 12 could at all, she might i dunno, but her chances are slim

Errm, im not quite sure what you mean here. I think when he said if everythings functional, he meant her new woman parts. :p I dont think he wants to hit that when its still half dude!

dcxbox
02-04-2007, 10:55 PM
WTF?

"She" will have a dick until she's 18. That'll be a nice surprise for his, er her's first sex partner.
Riiight... That's not exactly the first thing I would be hoping for the first time I had sex. I'd run screaming! Someone should tell Ms. Mister how much money she'he would make in the porn industry.

why would u run screaming? i mean if you liked a girl and had a serious relationship with her to the point of you and her going to have sex, im sure she would have told you about her past. so since you are going to have sex with her, im sure you would have accepted the fact that she has a penis? :confused:

J0N
02-04-2007, 11:01 PM
I'd never have a relationship with a Tranny. Its just wrong, its a concept i'll never understand, and its the sort of extreme body modification that I could never associate myself with.

zekrahminator
02-04-2007, 11:06 PM
And now, the moderating begins :).

One day removal of posting privelages for Mullered.

I talked to Rick, he knows not to do it again.

If you got a problem, drop me a PM.

dcxbox
02-04-2007, 11:25 PM
I'd never have a relationship with a Tranny. Its just wrong, its a concept i'll never understand, and its the sort of extreme body modification that I could never associate myself with.

i said that before. but my current girlfriend is transgendered. She goes to my university, we have many of the same classes, became friends for a while (not close friends, just more hey whats up? how ya doing, bye. type friends, and maybe ask about class notes and such) over time we became closer friends. we got to the point where we started hanging together with other friends, like going out to movies and other places. After a while we would chat online sometimes or talk on phone, but just as friends. I eventually asked her out, we went out together a couple of times, before it started to get a little more boyfriend/girlfriend serious. eventually she told me before we got too close.

when she told me she was transexual i was pissed. But i really didnt' know wtf to say, its not something you here everyday. I just looked pissed, and walked off. I didn't speak with her for weeks, and since at the time we didn't have any classes together at that time, i pretty much avoided her on campus. I was just really paranoid at the time, wondering what everyone would think, and also what i would think. I didnt want anyone to think i was gay or bi , because i knew i was straight. So i actualy started reading up on the issue, and realized
that she was just a girl. It took alot of sitting down alone thinking, and i ended up feeling like i was an asshole for how i treated her and totally disrespected her after she told me about her past. I figured that i did like her and cared about her before she told me, and even once she told me I didn't have the guts to say anything, so i knew i still had feelings and just needed some serious alone time.

we have been together as boyfriend and girlfriend for about 2 years now.

AshenSugar
02-05-2007, 04:23 AM
the girl i know thats in that kind of situation(tho from birth) told 8 friends about it one night when we where hanging out and playing dnd, out of the 8 2 of us stayed and are still friends with her, the others all left quickly, she talks to 3 of them sorta, but they wont hang with her, one of the others called her a fucking freak in the store infront of a shitload of people, thats the one time i ended up in cuffs that i felt it was worth it, he got knocked the fuk out, the funny part of that at least to me is that the guys brothers GAY AS YOU CAN GET, flamer all the way, even wares chick cloths (shirts and pants mostly) and yet that dosnt bother him, i got a feeling he had jerked off thinking about her and felt embarsed about it ROFL.

oh and of the 2 that stayed i was one, its VERY hard to "freak me out" i guess is the best way to describe how i am, sure it weirded me out for a few minutes, but i got over it, shes a friend, and for her whole life shes been a she, even had she had the change later in life,i wouldnt have run off and been pissed(tho i can fully understand how somebody could have that initial reaction in this socity) i think im just to mellow and accepting of friends querks.

i also have gone to school with tranies who where not hiding the fact they where working to get a sex change, not something i would be intrested in, but they where mostly nice people, reminded me of a sub teacher from highschool who use to crossdress(no joke) found out later that they where his dead wifes cloths, after taking some psyke classes i now better understand why he did it.

as i have said b4, dont judge people on external issues or their pasts, i know if i where judged on my past by everbody i meet i wouldnt have a friend in the world.

let he without sin or flaw throw the first stone.

i still feel 12 is to young, i know when i was that kinda young i was confused about sexuality, and at atimes as Scavar said i think everybody at times feels wrong in their own skin, i honestly belive its part of the human condition to be unhappy with who we are at times, and at others be very proud of who we are and happy with our selves.

i have flaws, im fat, at times i duno when to keep my mouth shut, and i have a temper, but i also have things i consider to be very good about myself.
im loyal to my friends, im a conputer uber geek who can fix almost any system brought to me given the time to do so, i learn fast, im smart
i acctualy got geinus level scores on 2 diffrent iq tests i took in highschool, but they wouldnt belive it because i was in sped for a learning dissorder, i have adhd and low tollerance for FUD.
i also am quite proud that i dont judge others b4 knowing them, i wouldnt have some of the best friends i have in the world if i judged people on their pasts or appearances.

my friend who use to live neer here, hes HUGE, 450lb or more, like a walking house, had i been shallow and judged him on his looks i wouldnt have met the one person i can truely think of as a brother by another mother.

my girl-friend(u know friend thats a grrl) who told me she was born a guy......had i been like the bulk of the people she told i wouldnt have a friend who was willing to drive herself 85miles to get me when some "friends" ditched me, no questions asked other then location and she was on the way!!!!

eli, who was convicted as being an accessory to a murder of another friend's(whos in prision) father because he loaned the chicks bf his sword(the jackass said he would sharpen and clean it, not use it to hack up his gf's father.....) but had i judged him on his past(b4 i knew him) we wouldnt be friends.

alot of others i could mention, none of my friends are perfect people, most are the kind of people that if you knew about their pasts or hidden flaws or judged them on their looks you would cross to the other side of the street to avoid them.

but they are all GOOD PEOPLE,

Scavar
02-05-2007, 04:38 AM
I feel that the past can only be used as a reminder, and at times an example. Someone did something, maybe they will do it again, but guess what, maybe they won't. I think Ashen covered it quite well. It's about how the person is now,and how they continue to be.

Do you hate people because all their life they used AMD/ATi and then one day they bought an Intel C2D and an nVidia 8800? Would you suddenly stop playing games with them, and stop speaking with them?

Its not the best example, or anaology, but I think you guys will get it...

PVTCaboose1337
02-05-2007, 04:41 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Harisubook2.jpg

:twitch:

If everything's functional downstairs, I'd hit that.

Ya, your not the only one. ;)

Overclocker's friend
02-05-2007, 04:42 AM
ya mabey when he wants to be a man again theill just change him back

InfDamarvel
02-05-2007, 04:45 AM
I don't know about you all but you can damn well tell when a man tries to become a women. They don't lose those many features in the hands, eyes, chin, legs and etc. Cutting off your dick doesn't make you a woman, it just makes you a dickless that pisses outa a hole. No clue why people do this.

PVTCaboose1337
02-05-2007, 04:47 AM
I don't know about you all but you can damn well tell when a man tries to become a women. They don't lose those many features in the hands, eyes, chin, legs and etc. Cutting off your dick doesn't make you a woman, it just makes you a dickless that pisses outa a hole. No clue why people do this.

People who are sexually confused and unhappy. Man, if you are confused, wouldnt you want this (sarcasm):shadedshu

AshenSugar
02-05-2007, 04:51 AM
acctualy scavar its a pretty good one, going from ati/amd to nv/intel is kinda like getting ur package removed :P

InfDamarvel
02-05-2007, 04:52 AM
People who are sexually confused and unhappy. Man, if you are confused, wouldnt you want this (sarcasm):shadedshu

What happened to just eating a lot and getting fat? America needs to learn good ways to become emo and insane with hurting and cutting/cutting off parts of yourself.

AshenSugar
02-05-2007, 04:54 AM
I don't know about you all but you can damn well tell when a man tries to become a women. They don't lose those many features in the hands, eyes, chin, legs and etc. Cutting off your dick doesn't make you a woman, it just makes you a dickless that pisses outa a hole. No clue why people do this.

depends on the dude and the age, havent you ever seen a dude u though was a chick at first(happens alot around here due to long hair on the "grunge" types)

and i wouldnt have it done, but then again, im happy as a dude, oh and dudes piss out of a hole as well, it just happens to be at the end of a meat stick :P

PVTCaboose1337
02-05-2007, 04:58 AM
OMG! Socialism, attack america! We must not all be equal!

AshenSugar
02-05-2007, 05:52 AM
Im sorry, but that is not hot. If you shaved off its hair you'd think it was a pre-pubescant boy playing dress up. (Which it is...dress up to-the-max)

shave ur gf's head , or ur wifes head, see if they still look like a chick ;)...assuming they ever did look like a chick :P

ex_reven
02-05-2007, 06:00 AM
shave ur gf's head , or ur wifes head, see if they still look like a chick ;)...assuming they ever did look like a chick :P

bit harsh lol

"honey...can i please shave you?"

gf - "wtf?" *grabs scissors and cuts your salami off*

Pinchy
02-05-2007, 06:02 AM
bit harsh lol

"honey...can i please shave you?"

gf - "wtf?" *grabs scissors and cuts your salami off*


:nutkick:

AshenSugar
02-05-2007, 12:56 PM
hey my ex shaved her head(lice at her job, it was to much work to try and pick out all the nits!!!! thankfully lice dont like me (i have been around 30+ outbreaks at jobs and friends/family and NEVER GOTTEN THEM)i think they are repelled by people who eat alot of garlic :P )

and it was ment to be a bit harsh, since his comments where a bit harsh i went tit for tat.....mmmmm tats.......

J0N
02-05-2007, 04:01 PM
shave ur gf's head , or ur wifes head, see if they still look like a chick ;)...assuming they ever did look like a chick :P

Yea bur they'd be a bit older than 14! Theres a bit of a difference!

Scavar
02-05-2007, 08:58 PM
Well you never know with some people...could be dating underage people......Still he does have some point, though I don't find the girl in the picture attractive..err boy...boy becoming girl....is their like a word,,,that I can use....thats a nice word?


And Ashen.....that was so wrong, so wrong! Hehe

AshenSugar
02-06-2007, 12:59 AM
thank you *bows to croud* i do try :)

Alcpone
02-06-2007, 01:04 AM
hey my ex shaved her head(lice at her job, it was to much work to try and pick out all the nits!!!! thankfully lice dont like me (i have been around 30+ outbreaks at jobs and friends/family and NEVER GOTTEN THEM)i think they are repelled by people who eat alot of garlic :P )

and it was ment to be a bit harsh, since his comments where a bit harsh i went tit for tat.....mmmmm tats.......

Reminds me of that friends episode for some reason lol

Ash did she not try lotions and potions first?

AshenSugar
02-06-2007, 01:29 AM
yes, but u gotta understand her hair is VERY VERY thick(took meusing sheers you use to shave a sheep to shave her head) and you still gotta get out all the nits(eggs) to be sure they dont come back, she finnly said fuck it and started cutting her hair, i had to help eventuly, becauseit was starting to look really scarry ;)

Alcpone
02-06-2007, 01:43 AM
yes, but u gotta understand her hair is VERY VERY thick(took meusing sheers you use to shave a sheep to shave her head) and you still gotta get out all the nits(eggs) to be sure they dont come back, she finnly said fuck it and started cutting her hair, i had to help eventuly, becauseit was starting to look really scarry ;)

Very unlucky situation to be in lol

;)

AshenSugar
02-06-2007, 01:54 AM
hey, i had fun calling her qball :P