Why does everyone b*tch about vista??

[mysticjon]

seriously im sick of all these noobs who can't figure out how to use windows vista? whats so difficult to use about? i mean for me games fly fast, no lag, and no faulty programs that dont respond like in windows XP. Maybe im one of the lucky ones who doesnt have any problems with the new OS by Microsoft....really are u all gunna b*itch about everything new that comes out?? I see reviews on vista like "top 20 reason why not to buy vista" c'mon c'mon that person who wrote it was basing it on the first beta stages of vista?? what a retard that person is..I use vista and i like it..and whats this whole lawsuit against Nvidia? c'mon get real..Like every b*itch about XP when it first came , now what, everyone uses XP, well few use 2000 and 98, but really Vista is not all Bad, i understand yes it doesnt have full support, XP didnt either when it first came out..

nuff said

[bhaskar15]

its cuz many ppl envy vista, that they have to buy many hardware upgrades 4 it. when they already got DX9 Top cards, and so on. some ppl even think ms is a devil ! they're jeallous or don't know about vista much ;) also they have to get used to it, and buy it of course !

[tigger]

i am using vista home pro,i cant complain as all my games work fine,i have had no crashes and media centre rocks:rockout: i love the pause live tv trick,i did it when i went to shop.

i have had no driver issues yet either,everything just works.

[bhaskar15]

me too, but some ppl don't get used to it, maybe after a long time when evry1 else does...oh well.

[tigger]

vista users club anyone?

[DRDNA]

I am sure in the long run vista will be better than XP , just going to be a little glitchy at first ....No biggy though ,just the same ole same ole when something is new it needs to go into the wild till all issues have been reported and dealt with...How in the Hell can any one think an OS is stable when it hasn't been in the wild long enough to get the issues straight.

Some folks must think M$ has every possible scenario in there labs ,lol , they are rich but you would have a better chance at winning the lottery than getting every possible combination in a lab;)

[mysticjon]

yeha u are all right, people jsut have to get use to it, but for me i didnt have to do any hardware "upgrades" i still used my amd 64 sempron 1.6 ghz processor, i still used my old ati x1300pro and my new video card sb fatal1ty, and i mean the media definitly has a role into suckerin u to "upgrade" hardware, its not needed, but whatever, i use windows vista ultimate...and i used that hacktivation thingy, but yea, i can see why so many people resent MS, but maybe vista is their attempt to not be the "devil" lol

[tigger]

can you vote here if you are using vista and put why you do or dont like it please?

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=24858

[mysticjon]

can you vote here if you are using vista and put why you do or dont like it please?

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=24858
i just voted

[Namslas90]

Yes, 4 to 5 years after XP was released it finally worked good enough for consumers to rely on. Vista is the same thing, currently the new version has problems and as far as I'm concerned it ain't worth buying till it's done and working right. Games are the same, the day they are released, there is a "patch" needed to download and the patch rewrites as much as a third of the program. Too many companys in the world sell unfinnished products, at the consumers cost. The release cost of the game is always higher than the value of the game. The company releases it before it's done to raise money to pay debts so they can finnish the game. These revenues are used to "project" future values and don't always pan out. This causes an unecessary strain on the economy. Nobody should be allowed to sell an unfinnished product.

[mysticjon]

Yes, 4 to 5 years after XP was released it finally worked good enough for consumers to rely on. Vista is the same thing, currently the new version has problems and as far as I'm concerned it ain't worth buying till it's done and working right. Games are the same, the day they are released, there is a "patch" needed to download and the patch rewrites as much as a third of the program. Too many companys in the world sell unfinnished products, at the consumers cost. The release cost of the game is always higher than the value of the game. The company releases it before it's done to raise money to pay debts so they can finnish the game. These revenues are used to "project" future values and don't always pan out. This causes an unecessary strain on the economy. Nobody should be allowed to sell an unfinnished product.

in some ways yes, thats why piracy was created, u explain a good point, who wnats to pay for crap thats either unfinished or just sucks, its u fork up the cash to buy something that is supposidly the best, later then founding out it sucks, piracy then came aboard, who wants to pay for stuff and not get the satisfaction like they were offered?? but back to vista, im yeah a patch right after the release date, isnt good for starters,

[niko084]

Personally I'm just sick of Microsoft, I only have xp pro because my dad got a free copy, I only have 2003 server because a business partner of my dad's had an extra license. I don't like fat slow systems, I have used too many unix, linux systems, built too many servers, and I'm spoiled by efficiency. Yes it is true windows is easy, decently secure out of the box, and very compatible, but microsoft has been slacking off and getting a little power happy...

I mean come on they called .Net "THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD" at the international meeting..... .NET "IS THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD"? Please microsoft isn't even a fly in the big world above the common user and small business systems. That is left to Linux and Unix.

I will be stepping away from Windows soon now, I have almost all my software and hardware running well under linux- Fedora 6, and I just got Suse I'm going to be playing with that soon also. Maybe when Microsoft gets a good bite in their rear end, and stops playing the "we are the big dog we will do as we please" I will consider purchasing their software again.

In actuality I think this is really what is giving most people urges against Vista. I know more techs, computer builders, and businesses that are already refusing to use it, and its far from reasons of lack of money or jealousy.

And Namslas90 here also makes a good point, it does take them a while to work bugs out of their systems... And therefore I will never personally buy one as soon as it comes out. Odds are my dad will end up with another dealer demo price deal on it, he will buy it and give it to me to play with if I choose.

[Protius]

i don't thing it sucks or that it's horrible, sure it's a bit buggy and all for now, only reason i dont wana get it is cuz xp has everything i need for now

[pt]

only reason i dont wana get it is cuz xp has everything i need for now

:toast:
that until i have a dx10gfx card and some games to play with
also i don't wan't to buy more ram, 'cause 1gb in vista isn't enough while in xp is plenty

[tigger]

your right about the ram pt,2gb for vista is a must.

[pt]

your right about the ram pt,2gb for vista is a must.

and i ain't going to get 2gb anytime soon, i don't need it for anything
not even games

[Wile E]

I like Vista overall, but there's 2 major things that I don't like about it: The extreme use of ram(my 1GB kit just doesn't cut it), and the integrated drm. Once I get another GB of ram, and someone cracks the drm, I'll upgrade on a permanent basis, but still probably dual-boot for a while.

[Alec§taar]

Please microsoft isn't even a fly in the big world above the common user and small business systems. That is left to Linux and Unix.


Trust me: That's NOT true... not @ all!

:)

* You'd be surprised @ the size, complexity, and yes STABILITY of products like Windows Server 2003 fully patched in combination w/ IIS, Exchange, & SQLServer 2005 out there... & how many "client-server" type setups w/ custom applications are built out there using them, in large scale business operations.

(NASDAQ, for starters/example, ring a bell for anyone?)

APK

[Wile E]

I agree Alex, Windows has come a long, long way in terms of stability. I never have a problem with XP, and the only problem I've had with Vista was due to user error (ooooops! lol). My XP machine is just shy of being as stable as my G5 with OS X.4. The only difference is that XP requires a restart a little more often than my OS X. Once every 2 weeks or so for XP, about once a month for OS X. Both of which probably have more to do with the 3rd party programs running in the background, as opposed to the os.

[niko084]

Trust me: That's NOT true... not @ all!

:)

* You'd be surprised @ the size, complexity, and yes STABILITY of products like Windows Server 2003 fully patched in combination w/ IIS, Exchange, & SQLServer 2005 out there... & how many "client-server" type setups w/ custom applications are built out there using them, in large scale business operations.

(NASDAQ, for starters/example, ring a bell for anyone?)

APK

Well Server 2003 is BIG that is no doubt. But they don't use server 2003 to run things like BMW's international system. I mean in the BIG BIG world here. Put it this way Microsoft is in no situation to say THEY ARE THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD... When internationally as far as that is concerned they are considered next to nothing. I watched a great video feed from that meeting, when the guy from Microsoft said that and walked out everyone else didn't even flinch, no giggle, just a look and a okay well nobody asked for your opinion look because it didn't matter. Microsoft will never touch the "big" systems, at least probably not in the near future.

And personally since I installed 2003 Server on my machine I do love it to death. Honestly the best thing I have used since NT 4.0, *never used 2000 server myself*

[niko084]

I agree Alex, Windows has come a long, long way in terms of stability. I never have a problem with XP, and the only problem I've had with Vista was due to user error (ooooops! lol). My XP machine is just shy of being as stable as my G5 with OS X.4. The only difference is that XP requires a restart a little more often than my OS X. Once every 2 weeks or so for XP, about once a month for OS X. Both of which probably have more to do with the 3rd party programs running in the background, as opposed to the os.

Windows XP still has memory leak issues :(

That was the MAIN reason I wanted to go to server 2003 besides its all around cleaner and faster. Next step will be with the new mobo to just go to ECC ram and scsi drives.
I HATE shutting down my machine, I have air filters and good fans for a reason.

[Wile E]

Windows XP still has memory leak issues :(

That was the MAIN reason I wanted to go to server 2003 besides its all around cleaner and faster. Next step will be with the new mobo to just go to ECC ram and scsi drives.
I HATE shutting down my machine, I have air filters and good fans for a reason.To me, the occasional restart isn't a very big deal. It's not as if I'm doing anything mission critical on my machine. I've been debating taking 2003 for a spin tho, and with all the positive comments, including yours, I think I just might as soon as my Vista trial is up.

[niko084]

To me, the occasional restart isn't a very big deal. It's not as if I'm doing anything mission critical on my machine. I've been debating taking 2003 for a spin tho, and with all the positive comments, including yours, I think I just might as soon as my Vista trial is up.

Ya I don't do anything dead critical on mine either... I really never have it lock up or bug out on me either under xp pro... But right now I have server 2003 installed on another harddrive to play and see if I liked it more... And boy ohh boy I just can't even explain it..

It's literally like Windows ME to 2000 Pro....

If its one thing I can respect Microsoft for is they do have a habit of making their Server software really good! Just blows away standard windows!

Just curious I haven't looked into it after reading a bit about vista because it set me soo far off base from even thinking of every trying it... Do they have a server release for it yet? Or is that something thats still in the making? I'm thinking if I continue with window's os it will be server software from now on. Unless I can finish off making linux work for me, and they continue to keep up decently on things like video card support... My x1300pro was ROUGH under Fedora Core 5.... 6 is running like a dream, after I fixed an issue that it wanted to set my monitors refresh rate at 95KHZ! not 95HZ.... That was the funniest issue I have had so far.

[Wile E]

I haven't heard anything on Vista Enterprise being released yet, nor have I seen it in the wild. How is 2003 in term of program compatibilty? All XP proggies run on it?

As far as linux and ATI, they're always a tough combo, but it has been getting better as of late. I had a hell of a time getting my X1800 working right in Kubuntu 6.10.

[Alec§taar]

I mean in the BIG BIG world here.

NASDAQ is probably as "BIG" as it gets though, & why I pointed it out as my example of Windows Server 2003 + IIS + SQLServer 2005 in motion, on a 24x7 high 'tps' (transactions-per-second) type environs in big business using a "Client-Server" model.

There ARE plenty of others I can cite for your reference, if you wish...

In fact?

Microsoft has pages w/ case studies of it in fact, if you wish to see more on that note. See here to search them:

http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/

(Part of Microsoft's "Get the Facts" sections of their websites)

There are 100's of them, ranging from small business' success stories, up to "BIG" business type scenarios.

* My point being, that Microsoft rules the "departmental server" level of operations & has for years (since they basically took that from NOVELL imo) & is indeed, running things @ the "Enterprise Class Server" level as well!

(& has for a few years now, in some pretty heavy industrial environs).

APK

[niko084]

NASDAQ is probably as "BIG" as it gets though, & why I pointed it out as my example of Windows Server 2003 + IIS + SQLServer 2005 in motion, on a 24x7 high 'tps' (transactions-per-second) type environs in big business using a "Client-Server" model.

There ARE plenty of others I can site if you wish... Microsoft has pages w/ case studies of it in fact, if you wish to see more on that note. See here to search them:

http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/

(Part of Microsoft's "Get the Facts" sections of their websites)

I guess, here? My point being, that Microsoft rules the "departmental server" level of operations & has for years (since they basically took that from NOVELL imo) & is indeed, running things @ the "Enterprise Class Server" level as well, & has for a few years now, in some pretty heavy industrial environs.

APK

No you are correct, I didn't know that NASDAQ ran on it personally. And Microsoft has been steady pushing at the enterprise market for the last few years...

But they are still far behind Novell - Suse, Red-Hat enterprise, base Unix, and Solaris. Although they did take a good bite out of Novell, who has now partnered with Dell, HP, IBM-*REDHAT*, and a few others. Ya I should have explained what I was trying to say before a bit better, slack off on that from time to time when I have to type it... I think it, and don't say it all. But ya I honestly thought about 2 years ago that Novell was completely gone and off the planet until about 5 hours later when I said that to someone...

I used to play with Novell 3 a lot even took the administrator test like 300 times.. My dad had the whole package for it, so I played with it while he was learning Novell 5, erm wow that was like 10 years ago almost..

[Alec§taar]

No you are correct, I didn't know that NASDAQ ran on it personally. And Microsoft has been steady pushing at the enterprise market for the last few years...

Microsoft has pages w/ case studies of their successes in the business world in fact, if you wish to see more on that note. See here to search them:

http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/

(Part of Microsoft's "Get the Facts" sections of their websites)

There are 100's of them, ranging from small business' success stories, up to "BIG" business type scenarios.

But they are still far behind Novell - Suse, Red-Hat enterprise, base Unix, and Solaris.

Oh, I dunno about that... but, it COULD go either way I suppose, depending on your sample set you look @ out there.

See above. That's just * SOME * of what you can see regarding Microsoft's success in the business environs, a small set no less really, but one w/ decent results achieved.

(IF the fact Microsoft stuff runs NASDAQ surprised you? If you look thru that URL above, you'd probably get a few more surprises in fact!)

APK

[tigger]

btw,i found out that vista is based on server 2003.i posted it somewhere i think.

[niko084]

"Lockheed Martin

Lockheed Martin Unit Moves SAP from UNIX to Windows, Cuts Technology Cost 41 Percent

SAP software is mission critical to the Missiles and Fire Control unit of global aerospace manufacturer Lockheed Martin, which wanted to significantly reduce the costs of its deployment while improving its performance. Its solution: migrate the SAP infrastructure from Reduced Instruction Set Computing (RISC) platforms running UNIX to the Microsoft® Windows Server® 2003 operating system and Microsoft SQL Server™ 2005 on Intel technologies. The company expects to save up to 41 percent of SAP hardware (server and storage), software, and maintenance costs over the next five years—while exceeding the performance it saw on the RISC-based UNIX solution. That in turn contributes to the company’s business agility and competitiveness, helping it to continue to lead in its highly competitive market."

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That one really caught me quick... Hmm looks like they are hitting up big.

I was looking at some big stuff international companies headquarter computers, Nasa *Linux and yes *MAC OSX < blew my mind there...*, The Earth Sim in Japan... But it looks like Microsoft is even starting to get at some of that.

My issue with Microsoft isn't so much with their high end stuff as much as its with their home user stuff... But it does look like maybe I haven't been giving them the acknowledgment for some of their big accomplishments.

[niko084]

btw,i found out that vista is based on server 2003.i posted it somewhere i think.

The original "Longhorn" was going to be based on XP... But when they had to start it over again it was re-based on 2003 Server SP1 yes. With a few XP counter parts for compatibility and ease of use of course.

But thats the way operating systems work, they always start from the latest previous and take a step forward..

Could you imagine if they started ALL NEW from scratch.... How long it would take and how much it would cost....

[Alec§taar]

"Lockheed Martin

Lockheed Martin Unit Moves SAP from UNIX to Windows, Cuts Technology Cost 41 Percent

SAP software is mission critical to the Missiles and Fire Control unit of global aerospace manufacturer Lockheed Martin, which wanted to significantly reduce the costs of its deployment while improving its performance. Its solution: migrate the SAP infrastructure from Reduced Instruction Set Computing (RISC) platforms running UNIX to the Microsoft® Windows Server® 2003 operating system and Microsoft SQL Server™ 2005 on Intel technologies. The company expects to save up to 41 percent of SAP hardware (server and storage), software, and maintenance costs over the next five years—while exceeding the performance it saw on the RISC-based UNIX solution. That in turn contributes to the company’s business agility and competitiveness, helping it to continue to lead in its highly competitive market."

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That one really caught me quick... Hmm looks like they are hitting up big.

They are, & have been, for QUITE a while now... & I am not complaining: Their success helps make me more "economically viable", as do the others, but I have done a LOT more work w/ MS' based stuff, more than I have the others (usually in combination w/ PC workstation node clients thru Ms' Servers (normal & TS) into mainframes/midranges running UNIX of various sorts, to Z-Series/zOS IBM stuff, from back in the System34 days, to today, via middlewares over IP usually).

I work in that very arena - Information Systems. That's pretty much what I've seen in that area for 15 yrs. now professionally.

The Win32 API & its toolsets today, make it really the EASIEST way to do this, & the tools are really good imo, for GUI development, & especially as OPPOSED TO THEMSELVES (more than other tools on other hardware/OS platforms), say the last 7-10 yrs. or so - they improved drastically over their own previous versions for the better constantly, & especially for this kind of work - DATA PROCESSING.

I was looking at some big stuff international companies headquarter computers, Nasa *Linux and yes *MAC OSX < blew my mind there...*, The Earth Sim in Japan... But it looks like Microsoft is even starting to get at some of that.

It's what they do... lol!

But it does look like maybe I haven't been giving them the acknowledgment for some of their big accomplishments.

It's cool, because it used to be the way you say, more around 1995-1999 imo... I would have said the same then, but in this field? Things CHANGE, often fast.

APK

[niko084]

Found it Vista server will be called Windows 2008 Server and is idealized to be released late 2007 or early 2008.

[tigger]

here it is--

Windows Vista is not Windows XP with just some eye candy. Vista is actually based off of Windows Server 2003 code.

from here-
http://www.tweakvista.com/article39075.aspx

interesting reading niko84

[Wile E]

Off Topic:

"economically viable"
Does this happen to be a reference to Falling Down? Just curious, as that's the first thing that popped into my head. lol

[niko084]

It's cool, because it used to be the way you say, more around 1995-1999 imo... I would have said the same then, but in this field? Things CHANGE, often fast.

APK

Yes that they do... I didn't even want to dream of using XP after the Home release and seeing what they did with ME....

But ya I have setup a bunch of windows 2000 servers running mysql for web servers, its stable, and fast, works great. Still have a lot to learn though. But I'm not a big software guy either, I write small apps for myself and play with stuff, do a lot of stuff for myself thats about it...

[niko084]

Off Topic:


Does this happen to be a reference to Falling Down? Just curious, as that's the first thing that popped into my head. lol

In reference to its cheaper and easier to operate. It's more efficient in the end, therefore more economically viable as a solution.

Biggest problem with Linux is lack of support.... You need a serious team of programmers to get things working right for big business and a lot of their software is very custom, things get hairy to say the least. And when it comes to that ya you get the ultimate in speed and security but it will cost you!

[HookeyStreet]

Well I dont want Vista atm because I cant afford a DX10 compatible rig with 4GB of RAM :roll:

[niko084]

Well I dont want Vista atm because I cant afford a DX10 compatible rig with 4GB of RAM :roll:

A DX9 card is NOT going to run any SLOWER on DX10..... I can't comment on the ram thing too much, I don't like how it likes to pre-determine what you are going to do next... Unless you can turn that off :)

I might install it on my extra drive after I'm done with 2003 server here and replace my xp pro install. I'll get an idea for myself what I think of Vista, but I will end up with Server 2008 if I upgrade again that I'm pretty certain of.

[Wile E]

In reference to its cheaper and easier to operate. It's more efficient in the end, therefore more economically viable as a solution.

Biggest problem with Linux is lack of support.... You need a serious team of programmers to get things working right for big business and a lot of their software is very custom, things get hairy to say the least. And when it comes to that ya you get the ultimate in speed and security but it will cost you!Falling Down is a movie, the quotes made me think he was referencing it. I don't know why, but it immediately popped into my head. lol

[niko084]

Falling Down is a movie, the quotes made me think he was referencing it. I don't know why, but it immediately popped into my head. lol

ohh lol haven't seen it... :ohwell:

[Alec§taar]

Off Topic: Does this happen to be a reference to Falling Down? Just curious, as that's the first thing that popped into my head. lol

Yes, it does in fact:

I often use that 'turn of a phrase' & think of that myself, lol!

(It does describe what I needed it to here though: keeps you working & all that, etc.)

:)

* Crazy movie by the way...

APK

P.S.=> My sister used to rib on me, saying that Michael Douglas role was like me, from that film, when I was out of work for a bit a few years back... lol, & yes, it ticked me off some... apk

[mysticjon]

u all have valid points about xp, server 2003, vista, etc, yeha ur right about the 1gb of RAM but i dont really see whats bad about vista. Yeah vista in its beta stages suck, it was crap, it didnt work, everything bad u named it, but the "final" build as they call it, still needs some work, i mean for me the OS flys on my computer, but it can go much faster if vista either had drivers that efficently work, not that half job drivers, that ive been hearing about. i understand people might need to upgrade hardware, especially for gamers, top of the line hardware is a must... for some gamers...