15yo girl charged with sex crime on herself

[AshenSugar]

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/internetlife/2004-03-29-child-self-porn_x.htm

Teen girl charged with posting nude photos on Internet
PITTSBURGH (AP) — A 15-year-old girl has been arrested for taking nude photographs of her self and posting them on the Internet, police said.

The girl, whose identity was withheld, was accused of sending out photographs of herself in various states of undress and performing a variety of sexual acts. She sent them to people she met in chat rooms on the Internet, police said.

Police seized her computer and found dozens of photographs stored on the hard drive. Authorities did not say how police learned about the girl.

She has been charged with sexual abuse of children, possession of child pornography and dissemination of child pornography.

[AshenSugar]

ROFL, ok thats funny to me, and i bet then convict her, make her a sex offender for the rest of her life, make her take sex offender treatment and the works!!!!!

[ktr]

Authorities did not say how police learned about the girl.


Lol...one of the cops likes kiddieporn...

[Random Murderer]

this is just messed up...

[ex_reven]

the girl probably deserves it
for a 15 year old to do that, they have to be seriously f--ked

[AshenSugar]

not really reven, i know when i was 15(and around 15yo girls) some of them liked to be excobicionists, knew a pair of sisters who would take off their cloths and walk around the house NUDE(so would their mother...if u didnt like it, you could leave)

kids do stupid things, sending those kinds of pix allover the net was stupid, but honest to god, i think they should also charge the cops who where downloading and looking at those pix with something!!!! they afterall did look and download/store those materials.

wonder if they strip searched her?

way i see it is, scare her, make her take some classes and do some councling and leave it at that, but if the law there is anything like it is here, they wont let it go, they will do everything they can to ruin her life, brand her as a sex offender for life, making it impossable for her to find a job, or find an appartment(background checks are common here) honestly, if she lived here i would tell her and her family to GET THE FOOK OUT, because if they stayed her life would be ruined, i know i have seen it happen and have been involved in s.o. cases in the past(long story) and well, the cops here as with many places try and get as many sexual convictions as possable, because if they can meet/excede a set number per year they can get fedral funds to fight the sex crim problem in that county.

they will likely try and make an example out of her, that will lead to them making more laws to allow them to procute minors as adults for this kind of indescretion, blah, it angers me the more i think about the crap they have pulled on people, and that i have 4 friends who have moved out of the country to get away from it(they all moved to aus without me...bastages....)

[ex_reven]

true, but still, id rather know that an example was made of her than think that lots of other girls do the same thing.

If ruining the life of one girl (not really ruining IMO, just limiting her 'repertoir' and making it more difficult to obtain a DECENT job) is necessary to stop the rape/molestation/indecent assault of another, then Im all for it.

i dunno about it being anyones fault for downloading the images, unless they actually knew what they were before downloading. Then it becomes a bigger problem. All in all, I think the police should be investigating the 'bigger fish'.

[wazzledoozle]

Wow, what bullshit.

If I were to take a vow of silence today, then the police better arrest me for violating my own right to free speech.

[ex_reven]

does that mean if i take a chainsaw to my leg that its considered assault/attempted murder :p

[AshenSugar]

they where gathering evedance, they KNEW they where downloading what they deam kiddy porn, and imho thats just as wrong as her putting them up, they KNEW WHAT THEY WHERE GETTING, they didnt have to download more, they had enought to go have a little talk with her and her family.

and honestly, i dont see stoping chix young or old from putting their pix online as stoping anybody from raping anybody, it may stop some wanking, but thats about it.

people seeing a picture isnt gonna make them commit rape, it takes IMHO a sick devraved disterbed mind to rape somebody, and i know plenty of "normal" guys who download pix of nekid chix, hell i know chix that send guys pix of them nekid ;).

and yes it would ruin her life, if she where branded a sex offender she wouldnt beable to get a decent job without breaking the law and saying she was somebody else, she would alwase have a cloud hanging over her, if somebodys kid in whatever neibor hood she was living in got molested guess who the cops would look at/arest first?

till you have seen how so called sex offenders are treated you got no clue how fucked it makes their lives, one of my friends moved out of the country because his gf he had been with since jr high and him did it when he was 18 and she wasnt(he had been held back in preschool 2 years) her pairnts didnt report it, and infact didnt care, it was one of her friends who got mad at her that told the cops, but still he got branded a sex offender, lost his job, couldnt get one after college, ended up moving out of the country to get away from the stigma, the lawer says he can try and get it expunged but it will cost between 5,000 and 15,000 to do it, oh and catch this, her pairnts payed for her to fly down to see him after he moved!!!!

and down where u are reven, they did a background check on him, asked him about it, he told them and the guy doing the hiring shruged and said "well that sucks" and hired him anyway, here every time they saw that he was FUCKED, they would eather not call him back OR would ask him about it and then assume he was lieing and treat him as a lier, best job he could find was at an am/pm (gass station) at night, how would you like that after getting a degree in computer sciences and another in a visual field(3d modeling and anamation) ?

[ex_reven]

wow that sucks, the legal age of consent/buying knives is 16 here
17 for cigarettes
21 for gay sex

EDIT - A possible reason i can see that the photos would incite rape is that sex offenders have to be cautious that they are actually talking to a young girl and not a police officer in the chat room (we often have cops in chat rooms to check up on potential sex offenders). A police officer would NEVER be allowed to post a photo like that, even for a good purpose like catching a paedophile. The fact that there was a photo could potentially incite the offender to try harder in getting to her (i.e finding her address/ organizing a meeting with her)

[AshenSugar]

Wow, what bullshit.

If I were to take a vow of silence today, then the police better arrest me for violating my own right to free speech.
yeah try living here wazzle its crazy shit, honest to god in the states its not "inocent till proven guilty" anymore its "guilty till proven guilty" or "guiltiy till we find somebody else to blame"

lost the chick i probbly would have merryed to this leigal shit, she moved to aus and i havnt herd from her in over 2 years, she stoped talking to me because "it hurt to much" according to her, so i lost the person i felt the closest to because her ex accused her of "touching" his kid, he only did this because she kicked him out of the appt they lived in when he got fired and wouldnt find a new job(her name was the only one on the lease) strange how the cops just took his word for it and arrtested her, she managed to get bail(from his pairnts) then her friends gave her enough she could move down with an ausi friend of ours from highschool(lived here for 2 years, great guy) because the lawer said since the kid couldnt talk(to young) it would be he said she said and he had a "good story".
i know she didnt do it, i know he was just doing it to get back and her and me(because she got with me after he was kicked out) but dosnt make it any better.

they ended up droping the charges after she was gone, then some of us made annomouse reports of him abusing his daughter till cps took her.....you never want to fuck with me or my friends as he learned, they took the kid, stuck him in jail, but it didnt bring her back....*grummbles*
just thinking about all this is REALLY depressing and is also PISSING ME OFF.

i hope they dont ruin this little girls life, we dont need any more life long stripers(eww old stipers......saggy boobs......flappy skin........*shudders*...)



does that mean if i take a chainsaw to my leg that its considered assault/attempted murder :p

yes infact it does, they have charged people that tryed to kill themselves with such things in the states in the past, crazy aint it?

[AshenSugar]

wow that sucks, the legal age of consent/buying knives is 16 here
17 for cigarettes
21 for gay sex

EDIT - A possible reason i can see that the photos would incite rape is that sex offenders have to be cautious that they are actually talking to a young girl and not a police officer in the chat room (we often have cops in chat rooms to check up on potential sex offenders). A police officer would NEVER be allowed to post a photo like that, even for a good purpose like catching a paedophile. The fact that there was a photo could potentially incite the offender to try harder in getting to her (i.e finding her address/ organizing a meeting with her)


here i have heard of cops sending pix of "models" who looked underage or had been alterd to look young to pedo's, and you NEVER know who your talking to on the nets really who they say they are even with pix!!!!

[niko084]

Wow thats a bit interesting... But I guess...

[Ketxxx]

thats just fucked up. how can a 15yo be charged with any of that shit? she IS underage herself, and because of that there has been no crime committed. ill stop there or ill rant on into a mini essay of how unethical those charges are to bring onto a 15yo who is underage already

[AshenSugar]

thats the point ket, they are charging her because they want to make an example of her to scare other young girls into not showing guys their boobies...:P

[mullered07]

the girl probably deserves it
for a 15 year old to do that, they have to be seriously f--ked

i dont see what the problem is tbh, ok shes 15 but as long as the photos she were sending werent to old perverts and ppl her own age its no different from "show me yours and ill show you mine" which im sure most of us done as kids, only then we didnt have the internet, does make you think though i wouldnt want any 15yr old daughter of mine doing that and hope that when the time comes for me to speak with them regarding sex we can do it in such a manner that they learn from it and learn to respect themselves and there bodys etc etc

charging her with child pornography is ludicrous btw some laws are just plain stupid i mean take that, a 15yr old girl being charged with child porn with her own pictures, and yet there are laws which allow pedophiles and rapists to be released early or after serving short sentances after commiting terrible crimes.

[AshenSugar]

i would even take it one step fearther, as a chick i know pointed out to me when i showed her this, shes 15, and depending on how mature she is, she could fully understand what shes doing, she also is likely already sexualy acctive at 15(very common TBH), at least she wasnt out showing herself off to dirty old men or selling her self for quick cash.

oh and the chick of whom i speek has 2 kids 1boy and 1 girl, she ranted for 20min about how she KNOWS her kids gonna have sex "too early" but shes gonna make damn sure that her kid has rubbers and dosnt endup like her with a kid to early in life(she had her boy a week after she turned 16...shes still hot as hell tho :D ) her pairnts where VERY strict, no boys, no sex, all that, checked up on her every 10-15min when she was at peoples houses studdying or whatever(she was here for my bday party back in hs and her mother called like 18times b4 my father answered and told her to stop because it was ruining the movie for everybody)
yet she still ended up prego at 15, in her case it was ALOT due to rebelion against her religous nut over pretective pairnts, shes NOTHING like them, she asked her mother once about sex, her mother said that it was something she didnt need to worrie about till after she got merryed and refused to talk about it any more(no joke) her mother also refused to let her take health or biology because she looked at the books and they where "to sexual" ROFL....so what they ended up with was a daughter who got knocked up, had a kid and got them kicked out of their church.

no im not kidding she got/gets a good laugh out of telling the story every chance she gets, see, their church wouldnt allow them to be members if they let her live with them as an unwed mother, if they had forced her and the boy(14yo) to get merryed in the church and live togather that would have been fine, but she couldnt live with her pairnts and be unwed and a mother(or have an aboron ofcorse) because it was morraly wrong.....HAHA, the got kicked out of their religion because their kid got knocked up....(it makes me laugh to....)

well after that and alot of talking with me, my family and our other friends and their familys(she spend weeks/months living from friend to friend because her pairnts wouldnt let her stay at home) she desided that she wasnt going to be a pairnt like her pairnts, she was going to give her kids the facts about sex as soon as they could understand them,then explain to them that they need to use protection when they choose to "get busy" (she alwase calls it that......) she even talked to her doctor about how early girls can go on birth control, seems her doctor would be willing to start a girl as low as 11 on nuvaring or another low dose form of protection, her kids getting that age fast, she said its 4months till shes having the talk with her kid and taking her in to have a talk with the doctor "just in case" since this doctors seen girls as young as 10 preggers, he likes to show them videos and scare the living hell out of them(good move!!! after seeing some birthing videos it scared the hell out of me :P )

when i worked for a place that did councling for young girls/women we had a 7yo come in who was on depo shots because she got her period, thats crazy, the doctor and councler there finnly convenced mom to take her off the depo because its really hard on an adult body let alone one so young, they ended up putting her on something else that was safe, her mother just didnt want to take a chance on her daughter having a kid young like she did( she had her first one at 13 from what i reamber )

i dont miss that job, very depressing seeing so many girls in emo pain and so many crazy people having kids, also sucks when you see hotties who are knocked up and the dude ran off on them, i couldnt take it anymore, i got them to hire a friend of mine to deal with their technical stuff(they needed a computer operator and tech due to the number of devices they had that where ALL interconnected and computer opperated)
i kept wanting to take them home with me, what really sealed it for me was the day i spent 4hrs letting a young girl cry on my sholder because her mother kicked her out when she found out she was pregnant by the mothers boyfrient(he got her drunk and took advantage more then once) it just really made me sad and angery, seeing how people treat eachother....family should stick togather.
after that, well i found her a place to stay with a buddys family(he was off and they had 2 extra rooms anyway) she devorced her own pairnts and marie and joe adopted her(no shit) but it just really made me feel i needed to leave b4 i got any more upset, had that girls mother walked in that day i would have ended up in jail for turing her face into hamburger....


blah i rammble to much, and thinking about this has me all weapy eyed remmbering......also makes me think i should get back in touch with marie and see how everybodys doing, disspite not being friends with her son anymore.


my feelings on this whole mess are stated, i got a bad feeling they are gonna RUIN this kids life, if they havent already(just being charged ends up on ur perm record and shows up on background checks)

[tigger]

it just proves the law in the usa is an ass.

how can someone be charged with an underage sex act on themselves? i mean come on.

[WarEagleAU]

This is why our society is so messed up on so many levels. I wont even get into a discussion on this, as there isnt enough time in a day to point all the flaws out.

[Polaris573]

does that mean if i take a chainsaw to my leg that its considered assault/attempted murder :p

No that's attempted suicide.

[AshenSugar]

Polaris some jursdictions view suicide and murdering urself, this comes from the very cathloc belife that suicide is murdering urself and thats why u cant ever go to heaven if you kill urself.

christian insain morals, the same crap that they use to justify blowing up abortion clinics and doctors and people who are visiting the clinic for whatever reasion.

WarEagleAU: i wonder if shoving your thumb up ur arse will get you charged with sodimy in that county :P
honestly, this kinda crap is why i seirously would love to move down under, all these twited "christian" morals and such really get old fast, i was raised a christian, but well i learned to think for myself, and in doing do i found that i really dont agree with alot of that they belive, as such im not well liked by many of them because they try and convert me and i endup driving them crazy with circular logic.

this whole nation is to up tight about sex, its one of the reasion we have so many problems, people are constantly saying shit like "sex is bad" "showing your nude body is evil/sinfull" "looking at nude pix is evil" yet it seems that most people i know outside the us have just the oposit views,the rare excpetion is a guy a game with whos religion isnt keen on any kind of nudity or showing of skin by chix.

and u know what, from what i have seen people from these other countrys have less emo problems and dont have the high teenage birth rates(dont count africa, that countys a mess....)

[tigger]

without starting any sort of religous discussion,i think religion is a bunch of bollox,just a way to control the populace(poss even gov controlled).

and how can they say sex is bad,when without it,they would'nt even exist.

[mullered07]

without starting any sort of religous discussion,i think religion is a bunch of bollox,just a way to control the populace(poss even gov controlled).

and how can they say sex is bad,when without it,they would'nt even exist.

ill keep this short n sweet as i also dont want to get into a religious discussion, theres no end


id have to say that most religions have all the right things in place to enable us all to live with and get along with each other very well, however its our interpretation or lack of that leads to extremism not religion itself, as for blowing up abbortion clinics or yourself to kill/mame others that is a criticism of religion anyway as all religions do not tolerate murdering one and other, its just twisted people who use religion as an excuse to justify there evil deeds and they would still be evil if religion didnt exist. my 2cents ;)

and fyi i have some "insaine" christian values but i smoke, drink, have sex like the rest of us i just try to treat others as i would like to be treated. this shouldnt start a flame war over religion because religion wasnt even mentioned in the original post. as i stated its only twisted people who use religion as an xcuse or to justify there sick actions.

[Tatty_One]

i dont see what the problem is tbh, ok shes 15 but as long as the photos she were sending werent to old perverts and ppl her own age its no different from "show me yours and ill show you mine" which im sure most of us done as kids, only then we didnt have the internet, does make you think though i wouldnt want any 15yr old daughter of mine doing that and hope that when the time comes for me to speak with them regarding sex we can do it in such a manner that they learn from it and learn to respect themselves and there bodys etc etc

charging her with child pornography is ludicrous btw some laws are just plain stupid i mean take that, a 15yr old girl being charged with child porn with her own pictures, and yet there are laws which allow pedophiles and rapists to be released early or after serving short sentances after commiting terrible crimes.


I too think it's bollocks but from the Police perspective, it is illegal to traffic any porn of any sort for under aged "children" just cause she is underaged herself dont really matter, in the UK, if a 15 year old boy has sex with a 15 year old girl, he has still committed an offence and will get arrested/charged so whats the difference? It's bollocks because if they are of her it should be her choice in what she does with them, apart from the fact of course that she is just adding "fuel to the fire" of Pedo's and the like.

[AshenSugar]

ageed tatty one, but i dont really agree about the pedo thing, honestly pedos want kids that are pre-pubecent or just on the verge, at 15 most girls(at least around here) are far more developed then avrage pedo would like(psycology classes teach alot of weird things, so does working in place that does SO treatment)

and its alwase the guy who gets arrested when its that kinda situation isnt it, personaly if they are gonna arrest one they should arrest bouth, if its concentual they bouth should be punished for breaking the law thats how other crimes are, say you and a buddy go into as store and you disstract the attendant so ur buddy can jack something, then you get caught, guess what you are bouth fucked.

and i fully agree if the pix are pix of her then she should beable to choose what she does with them.
they are gonna charge her with more counts due to how many pix of herself(nude) she had on her system thats just supid....

[PyroInc]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

she's a nympho and gets in trouble for it lmao

[tigger]

she's gonna be popular when she comes of age(sorry for the pun).and are'nt the pix her intellectual property? so no one has the right to deprive her of them do they?

[AshenSugar]

in the us they can take and keep her comp if they like, really the law can do what it likes, if they want to fuk her over they will, our system is a PITA to tell the truth

[AshenSugar]

http://www.plastic.com/article.html;sid=04/04/25/22421610

read the responces to that post :)

[Completely Bonkers]

Did you know that in MANY countries is it legal to be MARRIED at 15? In some countries I think it is as low as 12.

I personally think its completely bonkers!

[AshenSugar]

some states allow merrege at 16, but heres the kicker, if u move to one that dosnt allow it, and somebody calls the cops attn to it, you will endup in prison.

and mexico some places allows 12 yo's to merry, one mexican ended up in ALOT of trouble when he went back home for a visit(had his green card or citzenship) then came back with his 12yo bride.....thats sad lol

[Namslas90]

IMHO, what she does in the privacy of her home is her business. At least she wasn't out on the street selling herself!! Nobody got hurt from her actions, hopefuly she set up a college fund!!

[DaMulta]

This thread makes me sick

[overclocker]

This thread makes me sick

Im with you on this :shadedshu

[AshenSugar]

she wasnt selling the pix from anything i can find, she was just sending them to people she chatted with, thats the stupid part, they are chargin her with abusing/molesting HERSELF, god if thats a crime i think everbydoy heres probbly guilty, think about it, im sure you all......serviced your selves b4 u where 18(or whatever ur countrys leigal age of concent is)

here theres a weird law, u know a 16yo can have sex with ANYBODY leigaly IF her pairnts concent, no shit, the guy that lived in the rental house the church i use to work for was 27, with a 16yo gf, her mother knew and didnt care, the cops couldnt do anything about it, they wanted to, because he has already in in prison 2x and they KNEW he was dealing drugs(just couldt get a warrent to raid the house)

how messed up is that, what if she had lived with mom, mom didnt care/was fine with her doing anybody she liked, but father found out and wasnt, would any guy she was with 18+ be headed to prison and marked as a sex offender?

[AshenSugar]

hey if the thred bothers u dont read it, a few threds recently around here have bothered me, i just stoped reading/responding to them, works great u know, kinda like not watching the news because im sick of seeing the same stupid annoing crap every night.

[PVTCaboose1337]

LOL poor girl. She is so stupid.

[AshenSugar]

when your young your stupid, most people grow out of it, well at least grow out of some of it, a large number of people in this country seem to be regressing back into stupidity.

[Wile E]

Here's the law they are trying to prosecute under:

The employment, use, persuasion, inducement, enticement or coercion of any child to engage in or assist any other person to engage in any sexually explicit conduct or any simulation of any sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing any visual depiction, including photographing, videotaping, computer depicting or filming, of any sexually explicit conduct or the rape, sexual assault, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, molestation, incest, indecent exposure, prostitution, statutory sexual assault or other form of sexual exploitation of children.
The way I read this, they are trying to prosecute on a technicality. I don't think, or rather, I sincerely hope their case doesn't hold up in a court of law. To ruin this girl's life just because she is a curious and horny teenager, is simply ridiculous. What 15yr old do you know that isn't horny and curious? I know I was, and I also know that with the way the laws are written, I could've been jailed when I was 14, despite the fact that she was also 14. I also could've been jailed at the age of 18, despite the fact that she was 17 and beyond the age of consent. This is stupid, the lawmakers need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that teens have sex. They need to accept it and make it legal, so that teens have more resources to prevent pregnancy, std's, and just plain bad decisions, without the fear of being prosecuted. If this case succeeds, what happens then? If you're a teen, and you know that sex is technically illegal for you at the age of 15, and you know that they are willing to prosecute, are you going to go to an adult for advice? No, because you're likely to get the same "you shouldn't have sex" advice, without anyone providing any real incite/advice to the issues at hand. I have a 12yr old daughter, so this issue will be rapidly approaching me. lol. I will not simply shrug off her questions with the "don't have sex" argument. I plan to teach her everything she needs to know to be safe. Including how to recognize an online predator and the dangers involved in online situations. I plan on telling her that I prefer that she doesn't engage in sexual acts, but I also know that she will, despite what I say. I want her to be well educated so she has everything she needs to make a proper decision. I refuse to be one of those parents that sweeps the issue under the rug. Sweeping the issue under the rug leads to exactly the thing that this 15yr old in question has done, and has yet to go through. God, I hate this state. lol

[mullered07]

well if she can be prosecuted for possesing child pornography (pictures of herself) then can any child who starts to learn about there body and explore there body be done for child molesting ? :wtf:

we would of all been locked up at the age of 12 lol