Core 2 Clubhouse

[tkpenalty]

Core 2 Clubhouse


(Moderators, do not move this thread please!)

Hey guys, this is the Core 2 Clubhouse. You don't have to join like my X1950 Series Clubhouse. Basically this is a support thread for all you guys who need help, or would like to talk about overclocking, etc. There can be members as well but this is more of a formal club.



Update: 7/3/2007
Clubhouse formed:

Rules:
-Does not need a core 2 architecture CPU to join
-Must have more than 50 posts
-Libel is not acceptable
-Spamming is not acceptable
-Does not need to have a C2D Sigpic used, I know some guys are in other clubhouses



*Members list*

Tkpenalty
Teh_f0under

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300
O/C: 2.325Ghz@+.05v (faulty voltage sensors cannot be trusted)
FSB: 1344mhz
RAM: 420mhzx2
Multi: 7x
Speedstep: OFF
STATUS: Full working order.
Cooling: CNPS7700CU

Extra info: Well before I got it I considered getting a Pentium D Presler 65nm, it was relatively cheap, at around $230AUD, then I saw the Core 2 Duo and decided. After looking at user experiences I decided it was a "yes". So thus I decided it would be my next CPU. It forced me to change all my CPU and motherboard choices.


Infrared
Moderator


CPU: Core 2 Duo E6400
OC: 3.68ghz@1.48v
3.68ghz cpu 1.48v
FSB: 460mhz (1840mhz)
RAM: 920mhz 1:1 4-4-3-8 2.4v
Cooling: Swiftech Apogee waterblock.

From tkpenalty: 2.4v....


Malware
TPU Staff


MB: ASUS P5B Deluxe
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300 L632 1.325Vcore
O/C: 3004MHz @ 1.275V BIOS(1.248V idle/load)
RAM: 429x2 @ CL5-5-5-15 @ 2.1V
Multi: 7x
Speedstep: OFF
STATUS: 24/7 OC.
Cooling: Noctua NH-U12 + NF-S12 Fan


Kurash

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300
OC: 3.36Ghz
FSB: 480x4
Vcore: 1.32 (stock)
Temperatures: 33c Idle/54c Load

BXtreme
Second in command

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300
OC: 3.0Ghz
STATUS: Working, off OC
COOLING: Stock...

Comments from Tkpenalty: Something like a Arctic Cooling Arctic Freezer or Thermalright CPU cooler would do great, overall keep in mind how much stress you are putting on the motherboard. If you have a full Aluminium case... this is even more important, the case MAY deform.



Tatty_one

Official TPU Grandad ;)
CPU: E6600
OC: 3.85Ghz (ON A STOCK COOLER?)


Ex_Reven

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6400
OC: 3.0Ghz
STATUS: Working
Cooling: unknown


JMS45

From AMD 2 Intel
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6600
OC: 366fsb.


scoutingwraith

Lappy C2D
CPU: Core 2 Duo T7200
OC: N/A (why would you?)


tigger69

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300
OC: 3.5Ghz
STATUS: Working for sure!


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Tips for purchase:
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Core 2 Duo:
Currently the best buy for the Core 2 Duo range is the E6600, highly overclockable and 4MB of cache makes it make the Core 2 Extreme look almost a rip off. However, this is not the case as the Core 2 EE is of more higher quality. If your budget does not prevail, the E6300 is also a good buy, the E4300 (around $200 USD) if you don't have an extra $30 in your pocket. E4300 is not better than the E6300 when equivalently clocked. Core 2 Duo E6300/E6400/E4300s are for general/server use and they don't compain when gaming. Highly recommended for all you intel guys over a Pentium D/Pentium 4 unless you cannot afford it.
Something like a X6800 is just for max performance for overclocking or stock speeds.

Cooling wise, the stock intel cooler is almost silent anyway, so its rather pointless for after market coolers, unless decent overclocking, or wanting to show off your mad light show. Even though the stock intel cooler has the same appearance as the Pentium 4 ones, it uses a different bearing, and motor.

Stock cooling is substantial until you hit 2.8Ghz mark, from there on I would consider changing solutions. Nevertheless be wise in what you choose, since core 2 duos have lower heat output, and thus needing less bulkier coolers. Example:

-CNPS7700CU (Block of copper with fan on top). Its a decent cooler alright cools all the components around the mobo, however considering its weight, its a big flop. 1kg for such a tiny improvement at stock speeds is not really worth it. However its results are better for load temps. AlCU would be a better option. Nevertheless even with its weight, low height (it wont decide to rock around when you are shipping or moving it around) and its mounting mechanism prevents motherboard damage.

-G-Power Gigabyte/Thermalright HR-01/etc (Heapipe cooler with small aluminium fins, low weight). A good cooler, very light and well below the max weight for intel/amd, these are the best types of coolers to look out for, providing good performance and not being too bulky.

-CNPS9700AT/CNPS9700NT/CNPS9500/Thermalright Ultra 120/92 (heatpipe cooler with extemely large aluminium/copper fin array)
Solid performance, however the weight of these coolers is back up to the CNPS7700CU. Note that these are "towers " and care must be taken upon shipping as the coolers's high height and weight make them reasonate more when being shipped or moved.

UPDATE: Those planning on purchasing the E4300 and E4400 PLEASE hold onto your cash, intel are phasing out both processors E4500 that has been released. the E4500 has a 11x Multi... YES 11x Multi, which means from 200 to 266 fsb will give u 2.926Ghz... Core 2 Extreme speeds.

Quad Core:
Quad Cores these days are becoming mainstream, wait for Q3 (266 USD). Atm its too expensive for it to be substantially worth it. For businesses it would be a good choice as it would be better to have one Quad processor than two Dual cores. This does not make them crap, they are very powerful, except no applications utilise this extra power. Server owners should look into that. Overall great but, not practical at the moment, give it another few months and us dual core'ers will be wailing.

This time, stuff stock cooling and get a Freezer 7 or something. Honestly these run really HOT, stock cooling is not as good as the CPU cooler itself is different to the ones found on Pentium Ds/Core 2 Duos. Stock cooling barely keeps it running at a safe temperature.



Celeron 4xx: (Core 2 Celeron)

Very cheap and overclockable, however low cache is a bit of a let down. As cheap as a P4 now but offers much more performance, Celeron 4xx are the ones to look out for. Boasting low clock speeds, and a low multi as well as less cache, it produces very little heat in comparison with the Pentium Dual core, or the Core 2 Duos. In this case Intel uses a finely lapped and polished aluminium cored cooler, which is a good cooling solution, max overclocks top off around 2Ghz due to the low multiplier of 6x

Pentium Dual Core 1MB Cache: (Core 2 Pentium)

E2140, aka Core 2 Pentium, is very cheap being around $90, 7x multi, Allendale with 1mb disabled.

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[BXtreme]

i've got a c2d e6300, i'll join this, also I was thinking for a gd cooler so I can get it 3.x, cuz the temps are killing me! i'm on a not-so-gd cooler....I think any zalman ones...

[Thermopylae_480]

Sooo many clubhouses. You guys should get together, make sofa forts, and have a battle. :)

Don't worry about anyone moving it by the way. I personally would rather have this here, and it's better for you anyway.

[tkpenalty]

Sooo many clubhouses. You guys should get together, make sofa forts, and have a battle. :)

Don't worry about anyone moving it by the way. I personally would rather have this here, and it's better for you anyway.

a great moderator spotted :toast:

[tkpenalty]

i've got a c2d e6300, i'll join this, also I was thinking for a gd cooler so I can get it 3.x, cuz the temps are killing me! i'm on a not-so-gd cooler....I think any zalman ones...

In all my honesty, something like a thermalright HR- series cooler will help a lot. Those are by far better than zalman.

[Thermopylae_480]

a great moderator spotted :toast:

Lol, don't be too quick with the praise. I never said I liked the clubhouses, just if they're going to exist I would rather have them in general nonsense :p .

[tkpenalty]

Lol, don't be too quick with the praise. I never said I liked the clubhouses, just if they're going to exist I would rather have them in general nonsense :p .

That's still cool. This is for those who don't know/read about it:

Apart from that, First of all I would just like to say that this is all word of mouth information my Intel rep let slip when I saw him in the shop, so I can't say it is accurate or even true, but here is what he said:

There will be Core 2 Celerons based off both the Conroe core and the Allendale core. He still wasn't sure if they were keeping the Celeron name or moving on, but he seems pretty confident that the Celeron name was dead.

The model numbers will be E2x00 for the Conroe based Celerons and E1x00 for the Allendale based Celerons. The model numbers will keep the same multipliers. So the E2600 will have a multiplier of 9 like the E6600, however the FSB will be different.

The Conroe based Celerons will have:

1MB of L2 Cache
800MHz FSB

E2300=1.4GHz
E2400=1.6GHz
E2600=1.8GHz
E2700=2.0GHz
E2800=2.2GHz

The Allendale based Celerons will have:

512KB of L2 Cache
533MHz FSB

E1300=0.933GHz
E1400=1.066GHz
E1600=1.2GHz
E1700=1.333GHz
E1800=1.466GHz

The model numbers were not taken from him, I just took what he said about them and made the list myself. Who knows if all of those will actually be released.

Here is the part I liked, all of these will be dual core, so the second core will not be disabled. I assume this was decided to allow the Celerons to still remain competitive with the Dual Core Semprons that AMD has announced.

I also asked him if there were plans to release Celerons with higher multipliers than the 11 currently used, and he said "as Core 2 Duos come out with higher multipliers the Celerons with those multipliers will probably come to the market as well".

As an overclocker of cheap processors this excites me. Some of you might know, but for those that don't, I love the Celeron Ds. I just love to overclock them. So the idea of having a Dual Core Core 2 processor with a stock multiplier of 11 for, what looks like, under $100 really makes me happy. The lack of L2 cache will obviously hurt the performance, but you can't have everything for $100.

[JC316]

Core 2 Clubhouse


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Approximations for price ($USD)
E4300 $200
E6300 $230
E6400 $260
E6600 $380 (Note, this huge difference may mean that there is another unrealeased model, the E6500)
E6700 $580
X6800 $1,000 (Rich john's get this!!!)



Your prices are off a bit. These are from newegg.

E4300 $169
E6300 $183
E6400 $221
E6600 $313
E6700 $512
X6800 $965

[tkpenalty]

Your prices are off a bit. These are from newegg.

E4300 $169
E6300 $183
E6400 $221
E6600 $313
E6700 $512
X6800 $965

I mean prices of the average dealer. Thanks for the prices anyway =D

[tigger69]

i just thought i'd pop my nose in as i have a oo oo 6300 lol.

Core 2 Duo E6300/E6400/E4300s are for general/server use and they don't compain when gaming

they certainly dont complain when gaming,even at 3.5ghz.:laugh:

[tkpenalty]

Yeah.. I just installed the CNPS7700CU again, this time with more thermal paste, evenly applied , with the base emerged in alcohol for 30 minutes. Now my idle temps are so low.. =D.

Man... 975X chipsets absolutely die (i.e. data not going through, textures from game not making it to GPU) when there is too much heat... 59*C...

32*C FTW!!!! before it was hitting the high 40s.

[infrared]

I'm getting on just fine with my i975x ;)

my cpu and NB are both watercooled, and i'm voltmodding the NB as soon as i can find myself a decent soldering iron. Once they're voltmodded, to about 1.9v (real volts, not bios) they usually can reach over 480mhz fsb. And of course! memory bandwidth is unreal!

[ex_reven]

id like to join your club :)

I have a E6400

my c2d WAS OC'd to 3ghz at stock volts but i cleared my cmos a couple of weeks back when i installed a new PSU. So currently im at 2.1 and cant be bothered OC'ing again lol. maybe when i finish this terms work at school ;)

Temps at 3ghz were about 40 degrees on boot.
Dunno about load as of yet, but shouldnt be TOO hot :)

:toast:

[Zubasa]

The Core 2 Clubhouse is in the non-sence area:wtf:

[BXtreme]

no, now in the club area ;)

[tkpenalty]

lol yeah. I wish I had picked a different name, oh well (more views now though which is quite good)

I've heard some bizzare reports of some C2Ds shrieking once overclocked too much. Can anyone justify this?

Right now on:

CPU SPEED: 2245mhz
Bus Speed: 320mhz
FSB: 1280mhz
Multi: X7
Speedstep off,

RAM Speeds DDR667 @ DDR800 speeds.

Btw, my generic RAM really sucks, it completely heats up the poor heatspreaders. Luckily my CNPS7700CU is blowing air on them... with the stock intel cooler... it crashed often.

My CNPS7700CU has a scratched base so I won't do heavy overclocking now.

What voltages are recommended btw?

[infrared]

I'd like to join please :)

cpu: 3.68ghz cpu 1.48v
fsb: 460mhz (1840mhz)
ram: 920mhz 1:1 4-4-3-8 2.4v

Cooling: Swiftech Apogee waterblock.

I've heard some bizzare reports of some C2Ds shrieking once overclocked too much. Can anyone justify this?

What voltages are recommended btw?

The "shrieking" is more likely to be the coils in the power circuits. A cpu is a solid lump, there's nothing on it that can physically make a noise.

As far as recommended voltage goes, it varies. I personally havn't needed to go over 1.52v, but then again i am on watercooling. I'd say 1.55v should be safe, just keep an eye on temps ;)

[tkpenalty]

I'd like to join please :)

cpu: 3.68ghz cpu 1.48v
fsb: 460mhz (1840mhz)
ram: 920mhz 1:1 4-4-3-8 2.4v

Cooling: Swiftech Apogee waterblock.



The "shrieking" is more likely to be the coils in the power circuits. A cpu is a solid lump, there's nothing on it that can physically make a noise.

As far as recommended voltage goes, it varies. I personally havn't needed to go over 1.52v, but then again i am on watercooling. I'd say 1.55v should be safe, just keep an eye on temps ;)

At overclocked speeds and temps, its stil very cool (nowhere near pentium D heat generated... the motherboard laughs at these clocks, though I really need a thermalright to cool my northbridge). How hot does your northbridge get anyway? There isnt air blowing on it.. so It could be not as effective.

Should I heatsink the mofsets?

(anti-one star protestor, remove vote system only to moderators plox)

EDIT: you're in

[Boneface]

Ive had mine to 4.0ghz and no shreiking. I did fry my board on an OC attempt however

[tkpenalty]

CLUBHOUSE CLOSED:

Reason:

Faggot keeps one starring thread, leading to low views.

[infrared]

Hmm, i need to speak with w1zzard, maybe to scrap the whole thread rating system.

[tkpenalty]

CLUBHOUSE RESUMED (I was pissed cos my parents were yelling at me)

[new_rez]

Here is a guide I found on C2D temps. I am in no way claiming it as my own work as it isn't. I got it from http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Core-Duo-Temperature-Guide-ftopict221745.html

Thought i'd post it as a quote as the link could die (doubt it though).

Thanks

Core 2 Duo Temperature Guide Updated March 24th, 2007

Scope

The purpose of this Guide is to provide users with an understanding of thermal relationships, so that C2D platforms can be uniformly tested, properly analyzed, and accurately monitored. This Guide is not an Engineering Document, and does not address unnecessarily diverse or complex technical details. Certain strict definitions have therefore been relaxed to simplify concepts and enhance readability. This Guide applies to air cooled mainstream Desktop C2D processors.


Background

Intel has 2 distinct C2D thermal specifications, and provides a test program, Thermal Analysis Tool (TAT), to simulate 100% Loads. Some users may not be aware that Prime95, Orthos, Everest and assorted others, may simulate loads which are intermittent, or less than TAT. These are ideal for stress testing CPU, memory and system stability over time, but aren't designed for testing the limits of CPU cooling efficiency.

Some users also may not know that C2D's feature 3 sensors at 2 different temperatures; a single on-die Tcase sensor (between the cores), and dual Tjunction sensors (one within each core). Consequently, there is much confusion regarding specifications, calibration offsets and test methods, so results can be difficult to decipher and compare. Therefore, when expressing Idle & Load test results, it's also necessary to define the variables such as:

Tcase = Idle & Load
Tjunction = Idle & Load, Hottest Core

Ambient = Room Temp
Chipset = Model
C2D = Model
CPU Cooler = Model
Frequency = CPU Clock
Load = Test Program
Motherboard = Model
Vcore = CPU Voltage


Specifications

Intel's Thermal Specification: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9S8

Thermal Specification:

* The thermal specification shown is the maximum case temperature at the maximum Thermal Design Power (TDP) value for that processor. It is measured at the geometric center on the topside of the processor integrated heat spreader.

X6800 = 60.4c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 75w
E6700 = 60.1c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E6600 = 60.1c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E6400 = 61.4c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E6300 = 61.4c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E4300 = 61.4c, Vcore max = 1.3250, TDP = 65w

** For processors without integrated heat spreaders such as mobile processors, the thermal specification is referred to as the junction temperature (Tj). The maximum junction temperature is defined by an activation of the processor Intel® Thermal Monitor. The Intel Thermal Monitor’s automatic mode is used to indicate that the maximum TJ has been reached.

Desktop C2D's = 85c
Ambient Temperature = 22c
Idle to Load Delta Max = 25c
Tcase + 15c = Tjunction
Thermal Sensor Accuracy = +/-1c


Interpretation

* The first part of the spec refers to a single measuring point on the integrated heat spreader, which is in contact with the CPU cooler. Since there is no laboratory test sensor at this location, the CPU Case Thermal Diode is used to display the CPU temp in BIOS, where thermal tables are stored to emulate the heat spreader. This is the CPU die temperature measured between the cores. Intel's Thermal Case Maximum spec (Tc max) of 60c is the hot limit, 55c is warm, and 50c is safe. The single CPU Thermal Case sensor is how Tcase is measured, and is the CPU temp displayed in BIOS, Motherboard Utilities, and SpeedFan: CPU or Temp X.

** The second part of the spec refers to mobile processors without an integrated heat spreader, measured by internal Digital Thermal Sensors. Since Intel's Thermal Analysis Tool (TAT) is a Notebook tool, and desktop C2D's have an integrated heat spreader, TAT will typically indicate ~ 2c lower than SpeedFan. Intel's Thermal Junction Maximum spec (Tj max) of 85c is the shutdown limit. 80c is overtemp, where TAT redlines and the CPU throttles, 75c is hot, 70c is warm, and 65c is safe. The dual Thermal Junction sensors are how Tjunction is measured, and are the dual core temps displayed in TAT, and SpeedFan: Core 0 / Core 1.


Thermal Flow

Heat originates within the cores, and is hottest where the dual Tjunction sensors are located. Heat is then dissipated throughout the CPU die to the socket and motherboard, and to the Integrated Heat Spreader, where the single Tcase sensor is located between the cores, and the temperature is ~ 15c cooler. Heat is then transferred to the CPU cooler, and finally to air inside the computer case. All 3 C2D temperatures are then determined by computer case cooling efficiency and Ambient temperature. Regardless of Load, Tjunction is always ~ 15c higher than Tcase, and Tcase is always higher than Ambient.


Findings

(A) TAT can be used simultaneously with SpeedFan for benchmarking Desktop C2D's at 100% Load.

(B) The difference between Tcase (BIOS, Motherboard Utilities and SpeedFan: CPU or Temp X) and Tjunction (TAT and SpeedFan: Core 0 / Core 1) is Tcase + 15c = Tjunction.

(C) 50c Tcase and 65c Tjunction are safe and sustainable temperatures.


Overclocking

Intel's Thermal Design Power (TDP) spec of 65 watts can be exceeded by over 50% when CPU frequency is aggresively overclocked, and Vcore is increased to maintain stability. Intel's Vcore max spec of 1.3525, when increased much beyond 10%, or 1.488 Vcore, makes it challenging to maintain safe temperatures with air cooling. Also, as Ambient temperature increases, overclock frequency and Vcore must decrease.

Every CPU is unique in it's overclock potential, voltage tolerance, and thermal behavior. Whatever the stable overclock frequency is at 1.35 Vcore, each increase of .05 volts will typically allow a stable increase of ~ 100 Mhz, and will result in a corresponding increase in CPU temperatures of ~ 3c.

If the maximum stable overclock is known at 1.35 Vcore, then ~ 300 Mhz of additional overclock remains until safe temps are exeeded due to increased Vcore. Example; at 22c Ambient, if a C2D is stable at 3.0 Ghz - 1.35 Vcore - 40c Tcase / 55c Tjunction @ TAT 100% Load, then it may also be stable at 3.3 Ghz - 1.5 Vcore - 50c Tcase / 65c Tjunction @ TAT 100% Load, with highly effective CPU cooling and computer case cooling.


Tools

SpeedFan 4.32 displays all 3 Tcase and Tjunction sensors: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

Intel's Thermal Analysis Tool (TAT): http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/392/mirrors.php

Orthos: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/385/Orthos_Stress_Prime_2004.html


Testing

Vcore = Manual
C1E / EIST = Disabled
CPU Fan = Manual, 100%
Computer Case Fans = Manual 100%
Primary Test = TAT @ 100% 10 Minutes
Alternate Test = Orthos @ P9 Small FFT’s 10 Minutes

TAT will expose insufficient CPU cooling and computer case cooling, or excessive Vcore and overclock. At no other time will a CPU be so heavily loaded, or display higher temperatures, even when highly OC'd during worst-case / real-world loads. After CPU thermal behavior has been benchmarked by TAT, then Orthos or assorted other programs can be used with SpeedFan to observe less extreme CPU temps, while stress testing for system stability. Orthos Priority 9 Small FFT’s simulates 88% of TAT ~ 5c lower.

Scale

The temp scale shown below illustrates the normal ~ 25c range between Idle and TAT @ 100% Load, and the typical ~ 15c difference between Tcase and Tjunction on an example system overclocked with 1.45 Vcore. 50c Tcase and 65c Tjunction are safe and sustainable temperatures.

Tcase/Tjunction

--70--/--85--85-- Shutdown
--65--/--80--80-- Throttle
--60--/--75--75-- Hot
--55--/--70--70-- Warm
--50--/--65--65-- N
--45--/--60--60-- O
--40--/--55--55-- R
--35--/--50--50-- M
--30--/--45--45-- A
--25--/--40--40-- L
--20--/--35--35-- Cold


Results

Tcase (Motherboard Utilities) = 30c Idle, 50c Load (SpeedFan: CPU or Temp X)
Tjunction (TAT) Hottest Core = 45c Idle, 65c Load (SpeedFan: Core 0 / Core 1)


Variables

Ambient = 22c
Chipset = 975X
C2D = E6600
CPU Cooler= AC Freezer 7 Pro
Frequency = 3.6 Ghz
Load = TAT @ 100% 10 minutes
Motherboard = Asus P5W DH
Vcore = 1.45

C2D's should perform within the typical ~ 25c range between Idle and Load, which will vary among systems due to inconsistencies such as Ambient temp, overclocking, Vcore, CPU cooling, computer case cooling, graphics cooling, and software processes. Example; if a CPU is being tasked by SETI, Folding, or excessive background processes, while running Orthos rather than TAT, then "Idle" could be ~ 40%, and "Load" would be 88% of TAT, therefore, the range may be only ~ 10c.

The typical ~ 15c difference between the single Tcase temp, and the dual Tjunction temps can be erroneous due to calibration inaccuracies in chipsets, BIOS releases, driver versions, and motherboard utilities. Intel’s spec for thermal sensor accuracy is +/-1c, so temperatures can be quite accurate on hardware / firmware platforms free of manufacturer's deficiencies. Temperatures which have offsets can be analyzed, and when corrected, may still be accurate.


Heat Score

The following items will enable users to estimate cooling efficiency, identify problem areas, and visualize how environment and system configuration impacts real-world thermal performance.

(A) Ambient:
3 = Over 24c
2 = 22c to 24c
1 = Under 22c

(B) CPU Cooler:
3 = Stock or Low End
2 = Mid Range
1 = High End

(C) Computer Case Cooling:
3 = Needs Improvement
2 = Fair
1 = Excellent

(D) Frequency:
3 = Heavy OC
2 = Moderate OC
1 = Stock or Lite OC

(E) Graphics Cooling:
3 = Recirculate – SLI
2 = Recirculate - Single Card
1 = Rear Exhaust - Single Card / SLI / CrossFire

(F) Hard Drives:
3 = 4 or More
2 = 2 or 3
1 = 1

(G) Vcore:
3 = Over 1.42
2 = 1.35 to 1.42
1 = Under 1.35

Total: (Example System)
(A) = 2
(B) = 2
(C) = 1
(D) = 3
(E) = 1
(F) = 2
(G) = 3
Heat Score = 14

Scale:
17 - 21 = Hot
12 - 16 = Warm
7 - 11 = Cool


Parameters

(A) Vcore should not exceed ~ 1.5v.

(B) Tjunction is always ~ 15c higher than Tcase.

(C) Tcase is always higher than Ambient.

(D) Tcase Idle should be ~ 1 to 15c higher than Ambient.

(E) Tjunction Idle should be ~ 15 to 30c higher than Ambient.

(F) Tcase Load should not exceed ~ 55c with TAT @ 100% Load.

(G) Tjunction Load should not exceed ~ 70c with TAT @ 100% Load.

(H) Idle to Load Delta should not exceed ~ 25c.

(I) Tjunction Results are Hottest Core Idle and Load.


Troubleshooting

(A) Vcore will typically sag ~ .025 volts under Load.

(B) Offsets between Core 0 / Core 1 of ~ 3c are normal.

(C) SpeedFan 4.32 can be configured to correct for Tcase and Tjunction offsets.

(D) SpeedFan 4.32 may detect Tcase (CPU or Temp X) as Temp 1, Temp 2 or Temp 3.

(E) Any hardware and / or software may misreport Tcase and / or Tjunction temps.

(F) 965 chipsets may misreport Tcase and Tjunction temperatures with +/-15c offsets.

(G) 6XX chipsets may misreport Tcase and / or Tjunction accuracy at upper or lower scale.

(H) If TAT will not run, then Orthos Priority 9 Small FFT’s simulates 88% of TAT ~ 5c lower.

(I) Core Temp shows Tjunction 85c or 100c. This is Intel's Tj max spec, and is information only.

(J) C2D’s manufactured with concave Integrated Heat Spreaders may report high Deltas and temps.

(K) An improperly seated CPU cooler is the leading cause of abnormally high temperatures.


Offsets

If temperatures don’t meet the Parameters, then SpeedFan 4.32 can configure offsets to correct for Tcase (CPU or Temp X) and Tjunction (Core 0 / Core 1). From the “Readings” tab, click on the “Configure” button, then click on the “Advanced” tab. Next, click on the “Chip” field directly under the tabs, then use SpeedFan’s “Help and HOW-TO” icon included in the installation Program Group.

Under “Contents” click on “How to configure” then click on “How to set Advanced Options”. Read this section including “Other interesting options” and “Temperature x offset. When configured, SpeedFan will display all 3 Tcase and Tjunction temperatures correctly. SpeedFan is also extremely useful for observing temperatures and Vcore using the “Charts” tab, while thermal benchmarking with TAT.


Tips

(A) Tcase = SpeedFan: CPU or Temp X.

(B) SpeedFan: Temp 1, 2 or 3 = Temp X.

(C) Tjunction = SpeedFan: Core 0 / Core 1.

(D) SpeedFan temperatures should be configured to “Show in Tray” the Hottest Core.

(E) Masscool Shin-Etsu X23 Thermal Interface Material (TIM) can reduce your CPU temps by ~ 4c:

DaClan Review: Thermal Interface Shootout

Shin-Etsu X23 is available at the following sites:

http://www.chillblast.com/product.php?productid=16932
http://www.ajigo-store.com/se7783d.html
http://www.crazypc.com/products/50118.html
http://www.watercoolingshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=4...amp;osC
http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?productid=123...mp;cat=


Notes

This Guide may be frequently updated as new processors and information becomes available.

< I hope this helps to make sense out of C2D temperature alphabet soup. Thank you for reading. >

CompuTronix

[Kursah]

TK, I'd like to join this club also! Might as well! Since I have my core 2 system and the x1950, it just seems right! I've got:
Asus P5B Deluxe, bios 1004, fsb 1920 (480)
>OEM Cooling
e6300 1.86 @ 3.36 w/stock 1.32 voltage (reads 1.28, droops to 1.26 under load), Multi @ 7x
>Cooling - Freezer Pro 7 w/AS5, 33c Idle, 54c Load
G.Skill PC6400 phu2-2gbhz DDR2800 at DDR2 960 (480), 4-4-4-5, 2.25v, 1:1 Ratio
>OEM Heatsinks, Corsair XMS Airflow Ram Cooler

[tkpenalty]

Arent you already in the club?

Have a look:


*Member List*

Leader:

-Tkpenalty 100%
Boss[/b]
http://img.techpowerup.org/070116/IMG_0019651.jpg
Model: X1950PRO Powercolor Extreme 256MB
STATUS: Up and running


Standard Members:


-Lazzer408 25%
Model: X1950PRO Standard 256x2
STATUS: In crossfire,
*From TKpenalty: Lazzer its better than nothing and it does yield performance gains with a better CPU.*



oily_17 15%
Model: X1950PRO HIS ICEQIII TURBO
http://img.techpowerup.org/070108/100_0408691.jpg
STATUS: Full working condition


-Pinchy 15%
Model: X1950PRO Powercolor Extreme 512MB
[i]STATUS: Full working condition
OC: 630mhz/800x2
im currently having some temp issues on my comp, so they r probably inaccurate :p
My CPU thinks its at 11*C and 18*C, with one proggy, then 45* on the next :p...so im gonna sort them out first
But my current readings are: 45*C idle and 60*C load (probably inaccurate)

boecke
Model: PowerColor X1950 XT
STATUS: Full working condition
OC: N/A

JustinHEMI05
Model: X1950PRO (hes building a PC)
STATUS: In a dell... freaking dells are ghey ghey ghey!!!

JDPower
Model: ATI Radeon X1950XTX Crossfire (OEM?)
STATUS: Full working Condition
OC: 702/1116x2
http://img.techpowerup.org/070118/Capture004.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/070118/Capture005.jpg
*From tkpenalty: OMG NICE!*


mitsirfishi

Model: Hightech X1950PRO
STATUS: Full working condition
OC:655/1550


Zubasa
Model: Sapphire X1950PRO 256MB
STATUS: Full working condition, and when the hell are you going to get that Accelero X2? It will look mad IMO, ACCELEROX2 on Blue PCB. GET AN ACCELEROX2!!!GET AN ACCELEROX2!!!GET AN ACCELEROX2!!!GET AN ACCELEROX2!!!GET AN ACCELEROX2!!!
OC: N/A

Hey dude...
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/GunbladePlatinum/PROSAPPHIREcopy-2.jpg


{JNT}Raptor

Model: X1950XTX 512MB
Status: Working
OC: 735/1140
3D MARKS 05:12,000+


xman2007

Model: HIS X1950PRO ICEQIII 256MB
Unknown
OC: N/A


anticlutch

Model: ASUS x1950 PRO 256mb
Status: It works!!!111oneoneone
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/l1lxdon/comp_3.jpg
OC: N/A


DOM_ATI_X800XL_PCI-E
Model: HIS Radeon X1950XT IceQ3 Turbo
http://img.techpowerup.org/070120/100_0130_(2).jpg
STATUS: Up'n'running
*From Tkpenalty: Im envious of IceQIII coolers...*
OC: N/A

Maju

god, this looks huge
MODEL: Saphire X1950XTX GDDR4 512MB
OC: 695mhz/1062mhz
Modifications Thermalright HR-03 heatpipe + fan
http://img.techpowerup.org/070119/x1950%20xtx%20us.jpg


Xnox202

Model: Powercolor X1950PRO Extreme
OC: N/A
http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/605/12.jpg



Batou1986
Model: GECUBE X1950XT-X AGP-TEC EDITION (OMGZ COOL!~)
BEFORE:
http://img.techpowerup.org/070330/x1950xt.jpg
AFTER:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/MthcSephiroth/DSC00045.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/MthcSephiroth/DSC00046.jpg
STATUS: Full working condition Removed ugly POS TEC cooler and replaced with VF900CU Fatal1ty :D, temps dropped a huge amount.


AlcaponeJoin date: 9/2/07

Model: Sapphire x1950pro
OC: Unknown
Status: Unknown


Kurash Join date: 9/2/07

Model: Powercolor X1950PRO EXTREME 256MB PCI-E
OC: No luck.... using vista :/
Status: Full working order =D, looking nice


Erocker Heat {=====_____} 50%

Model: HIS ATI Radeon X1950PRO AGP 512MB ICEQIII TURBO
OC: Unknown
Status: Working
http://img.techpowerup.org/070209/cardtechpu990.jpg
*From teh_team killer: Tips for cable management erocker, concentrate on hiding the cables under the motherboard tray as well as behind the Drive bays (theres a gap behind the drive bays)*


Binomalkilla

Mode: HIS ATI Radeon X1950PRO ICEQIII TURBO
OC: N/A
Satus: Working
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8695/hisx1950proen3.jpg
Question: Cannot overclock?
Answer: At the moment no tools except ATI Overdrive support proper overclocking. Thus the only availiable method is to overclock via the bios. Once the core hits 621mhz, it will need more voltage than it already has. Thus visit ketxxx's bios thread as i dont have the bioses yet.



EDIT: WHoops.. wrong clubhouse heeheh...

[tigger69]

can i join too please?

i think with my upto now experience with my c2d oc'ing i think i should be a member :D

[tkpenalty]

Okay guys, sorry cause I neglected you... apart from that, take photos of your cooling solution you use for your C2D.

[tkpenalty]

OC Project 1# Overclocking with Generic RAM

2:35
Started at "Base" overclock from 266>350

2:36
Checked stability through several tools.

2:42
FSB 350->380 2.66Ghz

Result: Quicker boot times.

[anticlutch]

tk's starting all the cool new clubs :(

I'm in with my stock E6400 @ 2.13 gHz. I wish I would clock it more but my lame mobo only supports up to 400fsb = 2.4gHz...

[tkpenalty]

tk's starting all the cool new clubs :(

I'm in with my stock E6400 @ 2.13 gHz. I wish I would clock it more but my lame mobo only supports up to 400fsb = 2.4gHz...

Are you serious? I mean like WTF? Apart from that, my memory only allows FSB speeds up to 392... then it refuses to boot. Stupid RAM is so shit. You cant believe the timings. (Whats so bad about me making the new clubs?)

5-5-5-15 I mean WTF? I even wasted a dollar or two on memery coolers (only need one kit because the memory is only on one side :D, got them for liek $5).

Voltages dont help as well... its just that the RAM sucks so much...At 2.66Ghz the C2D runs the same temps as it normally does but the performance is noticeable.

[tkpenalty]

How much shitter can this memory get? PC crashed at 7:01.

[anticlutch]

Are you serious? I mean like WTF? Apart from that, my memory only allows FSB speeds up to 392... then it refuses to boot. Stupid RAM is so shit. You cant believe the timings. (Whats so bad about me making the new clubs?)

5-5-5-15 I mean WTF? I even wasted a dollar or two on memery coolers (only need one kit because the memory is only on one side :D, got them for liek $5).

Voltages dont help as well... its just that the RAM sucks so much...At 2.66Ghz the C2D runs the same temps as it normally does but the performance is noticeable.

Nothing's bad with you starting cool clubs :)

Your problem is memory related though... mine is because of a chipset :(
Stupid board goes up to 400fsb, and if I set it to 401fsb, the motherboard locks up (ASUS's auto-reboot/recover thing doesn't even work). I want to change the mobo for something else but I'm too lazy to take everything apart :P

There are some cheap DDR2 800 ram kits out now... Corsair's XMS2 ram is only $140 (last time I checked) after MIR from the Egg... It's a shame that they don't ship internationally for those that live in other countries like Australia though (I can't imagine not having a Fry's near me, and not being able to order from Newegg).

[new_rez]

Here is my cooling. Thermalright Ultra 90 + 120mm fan, 2 80mm silent fans at the back and a 80mm Delta fan blowing over the memory. The delta fan has 80.1CFM!! Keeps the memory as cold as ice :)

[malware]

I'd like to be one of the team too, this will be my first clubhouse to join. :) My specs

MB: ASUS P5B Deluxe
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300 L632 1.325Vcore
O/C: 3004MHz @ 1.275V BIOS(1.248V idle/load)
RAM: 429x2 @ CL5-5-5-15 @ 2.1V
Multi: 7x
Speedstep: OFF
STATUS: 24/7 OC.
Cooling: Noctua NH-U12 + NF-S12 Fan

[D007]

Is there like a joining process? well if not I'm in there like swimwear :D

C2d e6400 conroe.. feel free to peep the specs.. my cooling is in the link below to newegg.. i love it.. i stay at or below 60c max load even at 1.65v to the cpu core.. 2 120mm fans 2 80 mm fans hoooked up direct to the 12v line (the case fan line waaay weak) artic cooler coming in fro the gpu today from newegg as well.. all blue lights..:toast: at 1.67 i hit like 61c max.. I removed the floppy drive covers on the case and out an 80 mm fan it in.. it lines up perfectly with the cpu cooler so it's like having a ram air running right through the center of the case and one of the 120mms in the back to suck all the air out.. then i direct the hot air away from the room with an air purifier.. helps keep room temp down cause you know how it gets..lol.. I'm seriously about to run a mediocre ventilation system with those tubes they use to vent the dryer exhaust from a clothes dryer.. hook it right up to the 120 in the rear and blow the hot air right out the window.. or maybe into the attic..

EDIT: artic cooler pro 4 is not compatible with the 8800 model gpu. i gave it away on the forums lol.. i aint paying restocking and the fee it costed me to get it here.. i'd rather give it away.. ill just get something new friday lol..

[tkpenalty]

No joining process, just C2D and ur in but its not a member-hog club like some clubs are... this is for support...

Just some info i accidentally turned off the case fans and left the CNPS7700CU at the least settings, at the time I was playing HL2:EP1.... up to strider i was stuck... then the PC commited suicide because the core was at 61*C... the RAM was rather toasty as well. My GPU just laughed (it was at normal temps for some weird reason).

Damn its not to do with the chipset for sure... the stupid RAM is at fault, the timings man
5-5-5-15... arent those like shit? Its slower than Value RAM DDR533... I suck at mem timings so yeah. Got some gold plated heatspreaders (aluminium) as well. Might get the real copper ones from my old PC.

[anticlutch]

Actually that's what my Corsair XMS2 ram is at... I could probably push it further but there's no point when I can't even get a decent 25% overclock -_-

[tkpenalty]

But the thing is your RAM doesn't have all these weird quirks that my RAM has... its bandwidth is lower than yours.

Edit: mods clear the votes for both of my clubs please...

[D007]

my ram looses stability immediately lol.. i dont even try for 20% it's pointless for some reason.. it kills my cpu overclock instantly.. idk why but it is very obvious once i try to oc my memory even a little that i loose alot of stability.. im sticking with stock til i can afford something more high end i guess.

[Kursah]

I love my memory, stable, runs cool (even cooler with the Corsair XMS Airflow over em!), and OC's great. I can do 4-4-4-5 @ DDR2 960, 2.25v, but there wasn't much of an increase from 4-4-4-12 at those speeds w/same voltage so I set them back to 4-4-4-12..figured no point in pushing too hard if there's no real increase. Average was about 50MB/s boost and .2 decrease in latency..but the memory is wonderful..last time I checked it was ~$170 on the 'egg, of course I paid way more than that, but I'm still content. G.Skill PC6400 phu2-2gbhz.

[tkpenalty]

You make me cry D:

[tkpenalty]

Okay I just checked the benchmarks in SISOFTSANDRA, 4934mb/s for FLOAT STREAM.

[tkpenalty]

UPDATE: After setting my PC5300 to run at PC6400 speeds, the results are as follows:


Benchmark Results
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd iSSE2 : 5222 MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd iSSE2 : 5203 MB/s
Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better.

Int Buff'd iSSE2 (Integer STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 5219MB/s
Scaling : 5112MB/s
Addition : 5232MB/s
Triad : 5328MB/s
Data Item Size : 16 byte(s)
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 61% (estimated)

Float Buff'd iSSE2 (Float STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 5250MB/s
Scaling : 5165MB/s
Addition : 5213MB/s
Triad : 5185MB/s
Data Item Size : 16 byte(s)
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 61% (estimated)

Performance Test Status
Run ID : C2D on Saturday, 21 April 2007 at 7:22:52 PM
Memory Used by Test : 512MB
NUMA Support : No
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
Multi-Core Test : Yes
SMT Test : No
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : P0C0T0
System Timer : 1.9GHz
Page Size : 4kB
Use Large Memory Pages : No

Features
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
SSE3 Technology : Yes
Supplemental SSE3 Technology : Yes
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : No

Chipset 1
Model : Intel Corporation 82975X Memory Controller Hub
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 267MHz (1068MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 8544MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 512MB DDR2-SDRAM 5.0-5-5-15 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) CR1
Bank 4 : 512MB DDR2-SDRAM 5.0-5-5-15 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) CR1
Channels : 2
Speed : 4x 200MHz (800MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Performance Acceleration Technology : Yes
Memory Controller in Processor : No
Maximum Memory Bus Bandwidth : 12800MB/s (estimated)

Performance Tips
Notice 5008 : To change benchmarks, click Options.
Notice 5004 : Synthetic benchmark. May not tally with 'real-life' performance.
Notice 5006 : Only compare the results with ones obtained using the same version!
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.


w00t. This RAM likes these clocks :D

EDIT:

UPDATE 2#: Orthos = 100% sucessful on DDR800 @ 4-4-4-12 :D, SISoftsandra :



Benchmark Results
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd iSSE2 : 5380 MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd iSSE2 : 5396 MB/s
Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better.

Int Buff'd iSSE2 (Integer STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 5271MB/s
Scaling : 5249MB/s
Addition : 5524MB/s
Triad : 5476MB/s
Data Item Size : 16 byte(s)
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 63% (estimated)

Float Buff'd iSSE2 (Float STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 5304MB/s
Scaling : 5297MB/s
Addition : 5509MB/s
Triad : 5477MB/s
Data Item Size : 16 byte(s)
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 63% (estimated)

Performance Test Status
Run ID : C2D on Saturday, 21 April 2007 at 9:32:21 PM
Memory Used by Test : 512MB
NUMA Support : No
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
Multi-Core Test : Yes
SMT Test : No
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : P0C0T0
System Timer : 1.9GHz
Page Size : 4kB
Use Large Memory Pages : No

Features
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
SSE3 Technology : Yes
Supplemental SSE3 Technology : Yes
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : No

Chipset 1
Model : Intel Corporation 82975X Memory Controller Hub
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 267MHz (1068MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 8544MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 512MB DDR2-SDRAM 4.0-4-4-12 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) CR1
Bank 4 : 512MB DDR2-SDRAM 4.0-4-4-12 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) CR1
Channels : 2
Speed : 4x 200MHz (800MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Performance Acceleration Technology : Yes
Memory Controller in Processor : No
Maximum Memory Bus Bandwidth : 12800MB/s (estimated)

Performance Tips
Notice 5008 : To change benchmarks, click Options.
Notice 5004 : Synthetic benchmark. May not tally with 'real-life' performance.
Notice 5006 : Only compare the results with ones obtained using the same version!
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.

[Oliver]

I'd like in too.........bin playing around with taht c2d thing for a while

Cooling Solution:

http://olivelb.free.fr/Forum/compu03.jpg

& there has been some mods again: the fan on the side of my case has moved to the exhaut (back) the black fan has moved to the front (induction) and no fan on the side of the case to keep the zalman cooler on the ati free of turbulence:

INCREDIBLE RESULTS: -3° on the ati -2° on the Mobo -1° on the Cpu cooler.........move those side fans out of the way.......................

[tkpenalty]

hahah... ur motherboard sensors are fked :p

[Oliver]

hahah... ur motherboard sensors are fked :p

I mean't "lowered"........but i guess you were chidding me:laugh:

Anyways the whole setup is better with airflow going from front to back........I'm going to get a better fan for the rear though I want negative pressure inthe front part of the case to suck up the cool air out side. (after all Paris isn't that tropical!!!!:rolleyes: ) and real exhaust in the back!!!!

[ex_reven]

Has anyone seen results of different coolers for C2D?
Id like to see how they all compare, but obviously thats impossible without one universal benchmark to run the coolers on. However, any good data/reviews will be good :D

[tkpenalty]

Has anyone seen results of different coolers for C2D?
Id like to see how they all compare, but obviously thats impossible without one universal benchmark to run the coolers on. However, any good data/reviews will be good :D

Really depends on the motherboard you have... DFI Temp sensors are good as well as gigabyte... HOWEVER ASUS temp monitors are notoriously fked (um anyone want a 34* Loaded Prescott? @stock cooling? :p). Atm, the new 3R ICeage is the BEST air cooler, it has DTH (direct touch heatpipes), it took long enough for manufacturers to work this out... It beats the thermaltake silent water as well.

[ex_reven]

paulieg found this and i thought id post it here.
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

[tkpenalty]

saw that ages ago... but yeah.

[Tatty_One]

This club has started at the perfect time for me, just got my C2D rig, am playing at the moment, up to 3.2Gig but have no idea about sensible voltages, anyone know any links to a C2D overclocking guide, I am using my AMD overclocking skillz at the moment so there are a few unanswered questions!

[tkpenalty]

3.2Ghz isnt slow... Ur doing better than me :( To overclock to 3.2 I have to lower my RAM frequency to 400 or 553, then overclock...

[Oliver]

This club has started at the perfect time for me, just got my C2D rig, am playing at the moment, up to 3.2Gig but have no idea about sensible voltages, anyone know any links to a C2D overclocking guide, I am using my AMD overclocking skillz at the moment so there are a few unanswered questions!

Try the tech repository here...........its amazing, modes by Tony and very well documented:cool:

http://www.thetechrepository.com/forumindex.php

But you will find first hand info all over this forum too

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=22916

and a french guide to C2D

http://www.overclocking-masters.com/forum/Toutes-les-possibilites-d-O-C-d-un-C2D-sur-P965,t3825-p1.htm


On that last link there is a Excel file to download that gives you various timings and mem settings depending on your wishes, choices , tech options......Very useful to get a successful oc.;)

Have fun

Oliver

[Tatty_One]

Try the tech repository here...........its amazing, modes by Tony and very well documented:cool:

http://www.thetechrepository.com/forumindex.php

But you will find first hand info all over this forum too

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=22916

and a french guide to C2D

http://www.overclocking-masters.com/forum/Toutes-les-possibilites-d-O-C-d-un-C2D-sur-P965,t3825-p1.htm


On that last link there is a Excel file to download that gives you various timings and mem settings depending on your wishes, choices , tech options......Very useful to get a successful oc.;)

Have fun

Oliver

Thanks very much, I will have a read through, the AMD guide I will leave to one side as I would consider myself a bit of an AMD Overclocking Guru but the others look excellent.

[Tatty_One]

3.2Ghz isnt slow... Ur doing better than me :( To overclock to 3.2 I have to lower my RAM frequency to 400 or 553, then overclock...

Thanks, well with this mobo I can simply "unlink" the FSB/Memory and set the memory to ANY speed I want down to a single Mhz, that way memory plays no factor in the CPU overclock, just need to get a handle on it all, am a bit rusty on Intel, the last Intel I overclocked was a P3 350Mhz!!!

I also seem to need quite a lot of volts once I go beyond 3.2Gig, am not convinced thats right somehow, she always remains very cool, like 28C Idle, 39C full load at 3.2 but to get 3.2 I need 1.45V, any idea's/thoughts on that?

[Tatty_One]

OK, am up to just over 3.3Gig now, temps are still good at 31C idle, 42C load but have 1.475V going thru her to get here, anyone know of a safe max for C2D?

Have not played around with memory yet hence the 4-4-4-12@2T at just under 900<hz........have it "Unlinked"

[Oliver]

OK, am up to just over 3.3Gig now, temps are still good at 31C idle, 42C load but have 1.475V going thru her to get here, anyone know of a safe max for C2D?

Have not played around with memory yet hence the 4-4-4-12@2T at just under 900<hz........have it "Unlinked"

I'd say 1.5v max on air and .1 or.2 up on water..........then i'd get phase coolers:p

[Tatty_One]

I'd say 1.5v max on air and .1 or.2 up on water..........then i'd get phase coolers:p

I hear what you are saying but why if I am running so cool? Have read that you should not go above 1.5V on air a few times, am wondering what anyone else is having to put thru the chip to get 3.3Gig.

[malware]

I hear what you are saying but why if I am running so cool? Have read that you should not go above 1.5V on air a few times, am wondering what anyone else is having to put thru the chip to get 3.3Gig.

Don't go over 1.5V air....it's not about the temperature. It's not recommended for a 65nm core to run over 1.5V 24/7, maybe for 90nm yes, but not for 65nm...you gonna kill your CPU.
Every CPU batch overclocks differently, you just have to find where's the optimal frequency/voltage for your particular CPU. My E6300 L632 goes 3.3GHz with just 1.35V real.
Finally, don't trust the onboard CPU thermal sensor and what it reads in BIOS or some software. Your temps are far from real...E6300@3GHz and 1.248V idles at 40'C under Noctua, which is better than the Scythe Infinity. Just think of it, in your case you have 3.3GHz and ~1.5V thats over 120W....you can't idle it at 28'C ( in your room must be like -10'C :) ) .

[tkpenalty]

Stock voltges are enough for 3.2Ghz, until you hit 3.4... 3.4 is the time where you really need to pump the voltage. But 1.5 is seriously overkill.

[Tatty_One]

Stock voltges are enough for 3.2Ghz, until you hit 3.4... 3.4 is the time where you really need to pump the voltage. But 1.5 is seriously overkill.

But thats my point, I need almost 1.4V for 3Gig unless it's my cheapo PSU spiking. I am more than happy with 3.3Gig and it's very stable....no errors, and running at 3.2Gig 24/7 is fine for me and a terrific improvement over my old Opty 170 @ 3Gig.

[tkpenalty]

Um tatty, I would recommend you buy a whole new PSU and not use two PSUs. Its probably your PSU spiking since i can easily reach 3.2...

[Tatty_One]

Um tatty, I would recommend you buy a whole new PSU and not use two PSUs. Its probably your PSU spiking since i can easily reach 3.2...

Having the 2 actually adds to stability as the Gfx card is not drawing any power off the main and is particularily good in an SLi setup stability wise which I will have shortly, I may invest tho in an ultra high quality PSU, I can get away with 400-500W easily with the Thermaltake SLi PSU so it should not cost the earth.

[Grings]

have you tried lowering your multi to 8 and giving it more fsb?

[Tatty_One]

Yes, I tried that last night, put the same amount of volts to get 3.2Gig as I did on the 9x multi and set her to 8x 400FSB and she would not even post, strange thing is this Mobo has a record of acheiving 500FSB....wtf? anyways, to be fair, only had it 3 days so still feeling my way a bit, I am happy with 3.3Gig for benching and 3.2Gig 24/7, if in time I get more then great!

I will probably get the 430W Enermax Eco Green thingy PSU, it has loads of Amps for a 430W, it wont have to power my graphics cards and should be stable and reliable, maybe that will help.

[tkpenalty]

Hey tatty, u know how i said i was getting low bandwidths b4? Well i was running SISOFTsandra in the first place... also... i get 8.4Gb/s in Everest. 50.2ns

Overclocked to 2.8Ghz, ratio 1:1, @DDR800, 4-4-4-12

[Tatty_One]

Hey tatty, u know how i said i was getting low bandwidths b4? Well i was running SISOFTsandra in the first place... also... i get 8.4Gb/s in Everest. 50.2ns

Overclocked to 2.8Ghz, ratio 1:1, @DDR800, 4-4-4-12

Thats better!! now can you get to 3Gig at 1:1 if you add a little voltage to the memory and loosten to 5-5-5-15@2T????? Should give you around 890Mhz?

[tkpenalty]

Thats better!! now can you get to 3Gig at 1:1 if you add a little voltage to the memory and loosten to 5-5-5-15@2T????? Should give you around 890Mhz?

It will do that... but around anything about 900 will fuck up....remember that this is Generic DDR667 and not high tier G-Skill (even so... its pretty powerful...) Might have to drop it to DDR400 (2:3 DDR:FSB)

Yes, I tried that last night, put the same amount of volts to get 3.2Gig as I did on the 9x multi and set her to 8x 400FSB and she would not even post, strange thing is this Mobo has a record of acheiving 500FSB....wtf? anyways, to be fair, only had it 3 days so still feeling my way a bit, I am happy with 3.3Gig for benching and 3.2Gig 24/7, if in time I get more then great!

I will probably get the 430W Enermax Eco Green thingy PSU, it has loads of Amps for a 430W, it wont have to power my graphics cards and should be stable and reliable, maybe that will help.

Weird... tatty, sometimes the Intel Chipsets dont post when overclocked too high, when i clocked before to ddr 1066... wasnt nice... 30% of the time it POST.

I'll have to lap my base as its heavily damaged and i might buy some diamond thermalpaste, yes synthetic diamond, much better than AS5, no set-in and no drop in perfomance after a period. What temps are u guys getting for the northbridge? Apparently, before, when using AS5 the temps were much higher, then i switched to the zalman thermal paste... its like 40*C~34*C atm.

CPU, running a cool 34*C, ovevolted by .12mv or something, RAM was preovervolted@1.90v

[giorgos th.]

MB: Abit AW9D-MAX
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6600 L628B 1.35Vcore
O/C: 3420mhz @ 1.45Vcore
RAM: 475x2 @ CL4-4-4-8 @ 2.2V
Multi: 9x
Speedstep: Off
STATUS: 24/7.
Cooling: Silverstone Nitrogon NT06 V2

[tkpenalty]

u wanna join rite? This isnt the nvidia club where u post ur specs and dont come back... you converse.

Should I try to tighten the timings/overclock more?

[giorgos th.]

converse?with what way?

[tkpenalty]

converse?with what way?

Like you are :laugh:

Your in!:toast:

[giorgos th.]

i didnt understand but nevermind....

[Tatty_One]

u wanna join rite? This isnt the nvidia club where u post ur specs and dont come back... you converse.

Should I try to tighten the timings/overclock more?

I would try both TBH and run Sceincemark at the same CPU speeds but with the 2 different memory settings, I think you will find with Intel that the higher speed will beat the lower latencies, try to up the volts a little and try both, let me know how you get on. If upping volts and you have no heatspreaders on your generic memory try sticking a fan nearby for some active cooling, can help the memory overclock, these of mine run at 2.2V stock, I am currently on 2.3V to get where I am in specs but I have stopped tweaking at the moment cause it's getting boring/frustrating, will try some more at weekend.

Ohhh yeah and I think my chipset reading is a mean average between the Northbridge and Southbridge and at idle that is 30-32C.

[tigger69]

nice to see you got a connie tatty,3.XXghz is good anyway,connies rock at 3.anything.

1.475 is a high power tho' for that oc,mine does 500fsb(3.5ghz) at only 1.325vcore.

welcome to the connie club tho'. :D

p.s-any chance of some science mark scores?

[HellasVagabond]

C2D 6600

Gigabyte 965-DQ6
3530mhz / 1.37v
9x392mhz @ 4-4-4-10 / 2.1v
29-30 degrees idle
55 Full Load 3xOrthos
24/7 Rock Stable
Scythe Infinity with 2x12' Fans - Push And Pull

[Tatty_One]

nice to see you got a connie tatty,3.XXghz is good anyway,connies rock at 3.anything.

1.475 is a high power tho' for that oc,mine does 500fsb(3.5ghz) at only 1.325vcore.

welcome to the connie club tho'. :D

p.s-any chance of some science mark scores?

I know, thats my point, am not sure if it's just the chip or if I have got some settings wrong, am still playing at the moment, will post some Sceincemark in the next couple of days.

[HellasVagabond]

The Build version of the CPU counts alot as to what Voltages and Overclocks it can get.

[Tatty_One]

The Build version of the CPU counts alot as to what Voltages and Overclocks it can get.

Yeah I know, maybe I just have crap stepping, if thats the case this one's going on fleabay and I will get me one of the new ones when they come out next month. At the moment, because I dont like 1.475V 24/7 i will just use the 3.3Gig for benches, I am running volts on auto and its taking 1.4V to give me 3.1Gig!! so thats what I am running at moment with memory unlinked at 1000Mhz 4-5-4-12 @1T but have not memtested that yet so may not be fully stable :cry:

[tkpenalty]

Oh geez... stupid piece of shit RAM doesnt like overclocking past 800Mhz... thats the max i can push it. Its weird, I boosted the voltage by +12.5mV, FSB 450, and whaddya know, it doesnt post... Set the RAM to 2:3... no boot. :(

[Tatty_One]

Oh geez... stupid piece of shit RAM doesnt like overclocking past 800Mhz... thats the max i can push it. Its weird, I boosted the voltage by +12.5mV, FSB 450, and whaddya know, it doesnt post... Set the RAM to 2:3... no boot. :(

Timings? Max everything.

[tkpenalty]

yep D:

[Tatty_One]

yep D:

Sometimes too much voltage on value type ram will stop the post, have you tried the higher speeds at the loosest timings you can get out of your BIOS on just a little above stock volts?

[HellasVagabond]

You wont see any difference wether you run the memories at 780mhz and 4-4-4-12 or at 850mhz and 5-5-5-15.
:)

[Tatty_One]

[QUOTE=HellasVagabond;323047]You wont see any difference wether you run the memories at 780mhz and 4-4-4-12 or at 850mhz and 5-5-5-15.

There is a difference but I agree only a little, I am new to DDR2 and have just got a new rig so am playing/benching at different memory speeds/timings, it really depends on application, at 800Mhz for example my memory will do 4-3-3-10, if I crank them to 900Mhz but go 4-4-4-12 I see as you have said, little difference in 3D Mark 2006 or SuperPi but I do see a little more difference in Sceincemark, it would seem there that it prefers higher clocks to lower latencies.

[tkpenalty]

2.00V is death for my RAM...

[Tatty_One]

2.00V is death for my RAM...

Lol mine stocks at 2.2V, but hey, you have a nice improvement over what you thought you had a week ago......bonus!

[HellasVagabond]

SuperPI is the only real Ram Bench.
Try them at 780mhz and 4-4-4-10 or 4-3-3-10 whatever is stable and then at 850mhz and 4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15.
I got 14.546 with the 850mhz and 14.625 with 780mhz.
To me it aint worth OCing the Ram since the difference just aint there.

[Ketxxx]

I want to be a member :o

[malware]

I want to be a member :o

Welcome to the dark side. :cool:

[pt]

nooooooo
is there a way for me to suicide bomb myself this club?

[Tatty_One]

nooooooo
is there a way for me to suicide bomb myself this club?

No need PT, pass me the device and I will bring it in.........BANG! :eek: Although my E6600 should arrive soon!

[pt]

i will give it you then, so the dar.side don't get you :p

[Ketxxx]

Welcome to the dark side. :cool:

Fun to be here :D please protect me from all those mean AMD green men that want to hurt me.. :ohwell:

[tkpenalty]

lol...

Man 2.8Ghz, is a barrier for me, anything higher never works, the RAM rejects running at 2:3 as well...

[Tatty_One]

lol...

Man 2.8Ghz, is a barrier for me, anything higher never works, the RAM rejects running at 2:3 as well...

Really? You have had some issues with your rig, we need to sit down and go thru a few things....see if we can improve things for you.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

hey. im the owner of an E6400 ona AB9Pro ... carried the FSB to 333 once ... but i life in a tropical country (Jamaica) so it wasnt exactly cool and i stopped... was waiting on a vid card, PSU (coolmax 550w) and a freezer 7 but the got "lost" at the P.O. so im waiting on an insurance payment and im back in business

have a 2 GB kit of this ...

http://www.geilusa.com/products/show/id/65

[erocker]

_FBi;341330']hey. im the owner of an E6400 ona AB9Pro ... carried the FSB to 333 once ... but i life in a tropical country (Jamaica) so it wasnt exactly cool and i stopped... was waiting on a vid card, PSU (coolmax 550w) and a freezer 7 but the got "lost" at the P.O. so im waiting on an insurance payment and im back in business

have a 2 GB kit of this ...

http://www.geilusa.com/products/show/id/65

I LOVE Jamaica!!! I've heard some good stuff about that RAM. You will be very happy with that freezer 7 in the tropics. What were your temperatures when you overclocked?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

I LOVE Jamaica!!! I've heard some good stuff about that RAM. You will be very happy with that freezer 7 in the tropics. What were your temperatures when you overclocked?

Thanks, the country nice iyah. Well i didnt get the freezer, the USPS "misplaced" it .. still waiting for my insurance payout so i can cop another. temps were like 59 on the stock cooler with cracking stock paste ... since cleaned the heatsink and replaced it with artic silver but the lack of a videocard is holding me from further testing.

[erocker]

Well, Tk since you posted my picture with my "questionable" cable management, does that mean I'm automatically in this club too?! That would make me an AMD infiltrator! It's almost new computer time anyways, and was wondering besides having more L2 cache, are the 6320's and 6420's any better for OCing, or worse than the 6300 and 6400's? I would like to run something at a relatively high stable overclock all of the time and I'm kinda on a budget (price/value know what I mean?), so I'm looking at the lower end of the spectrum, but I'd go as high as a 6600. Way to be making clubs Tk!:rockout: :D

[erocker]

_FBi;341334']Thanks, the country nice iyah. Well i didnt get the freezer, the USPS "misplaced" it .. still waiting for my insurance payout so i can cop another. temps were like 59 on the stock cooler with cracking stock paste ... since cleaned the heatsink and replaced it with artic silver but the lack of a videocard is holding me from further testing.

Can UPS ship to you? And are you using AGP or PCI-E?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

well i have a courier account to ship stuff to me, their warehouse is in florida, so my friend was USPS'ing it to me and it got "lost". UPS can ship to me but .. $$ is an issue. PCI-e cards, was going x1900 AIW initially, but those seem to have vanished, then i ordered a 7900GS,but it was in the lost package. going x1950 now, if/when i get the insurance money.

[tkpenalty]

Yeah mate go for the MSI X1950PRO you found, its a STEAL for its price.

EDIT: Man, if i ordered from newegg, and built a totally new PC i would be saving around $300... compared to the cheapest dealer in australia.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Yeah mate go for the MSI X1950PRO you found, its a STEAL for its price.

EDIT: Man, if i ordered from newegg, and built a totally new PC i would be saving around $300... compared to the cheapest dealer in australia.

its that bad ...

same here still if i never ordered overseas id never be rocking the stuff i have now

[pt]

my new house :)
(clubhouse)

or it wil be in a couple days

[Tatty_One]

my new house :)
(clubhouse)

or it wil be in a couple days

So the password worked then :toast: What U gettin?

[tkpenalty]

my new house :)
(clubhouse)

or it wil be in a couple days

Congrats on joining the intel bus, I better revive this thread to the same scale as my HD2k clubhouse. I find it annoying that my RAM does not like running at 2:3 ratio...aka 200; it fails to post.

[pt]

most prob a:
Intel core 2 duo E2140
ABIT FATAL1TY F-I90HD
same ram (getting the crucial as soon as i sell mine)
same gfx
same everything else...

[tkpenalty]

most prob a:
Intel core 2 duo E2140
ABIT FATAL1TY F-I90HD
same ram (getting the crucial as soon as i sell mine)
same gfx
same everything else...

E2140 has a 7x multi... get the E4300 man, then down the RAM ratio by one step and oc to 266 fsb. With the Mobo, I would get the DFI Infinity 965-S DARK. That mobo is a monster overclocker, has solid capacitors as well.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Yeah mate go for the MSI X1950PRO you found, its a STEAL for its price.

EDIT: Man, if i ordered from newegg, and built a totally new PC i would be saving around $300... compared to the cheapest dealer in australia.

they foudn my package .. so up side ill get my artic cooling freezer .. downside 7900 GS

[tkpenalty]

You know the 7900GS isnt that bad, the stock cooler sucks though, but just bolt on some aftermarket cooling and overclock it.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

reading up on this http://www.realworldbenchmarks.com/article.php?cat=&id=35&pagenumber=1

[Tatty_One]

most prob a:
Intel core 2 duo E2140
ABIT FATAL1TY F-I90HD
same ram (getting the crucial as soon as i sell mine)
same gfx
same everything else...

My Crucial? PC5300 that does 1160Mhz, you cant do much better than that for the price :D

[Tatty_One]

You know the 7900GS isnt that bad, the stock cooler sucks though, but just bolt on some aftermarket cooling and overclock it.

Personally I would wait till July and see what the 2600 will bring, if waiting is not an option then I would go for the 8600GTS, it's mediocre at stock but can be bought in the UK now already for around £100 which is cheaper than the 1950Pro, add to this pretty insane overclocking on even the stock cooling like 770 core/2150 memory and you have a DX10 card that beats the 1950pro in DX9 that is DX10 ready for less price!

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

thing is ... i already bought it months ago ... it got lost in the system and i thought i would get my insurance money to go buy sumpn better ... but the fellas had to screw me up and find it back. so im stuck with the 7900GS. im going to use it and put it up for sale ... any aprticular model of the 8600 GTS your partial to?

[pt]

My Crucial? PC5300 that does 1160Mhz, you cant do much better than that for the price :D

yep
those
theyre getting pretty cheap

[tkpenalty]

Personally I would wait till July and see what the 2600 will bring, if waiting is not an option then I would go for the 8600GTS, it's mediocre at stock but can be bought in the UK now already for around £100 which is cheaper than the 1950Pro, add to this pretty insane overclocking on even the stock cooling like 770 core/2150 memory and you have a DX10 card that beats the 1950pro in DX9 that is DX10 ready for less price!

Um 8600GTS is SLOWER than the X1950PRO in DX9. If you are referring to the synthetic benchmarks, I thought you would have known that drivers are behind its performance... whilst in games it does poorly. On stock cooling it will not fly like a rocket. You are already hitting temps of 80*C on stock cooling-I would not think why you would want to overclock! Onto DX10, no DX10 games are even out yet, most of them are still in beta/alpha stages and are due to release at the end or maybe next year, whats the point in buying a new graphics card like that when u are bound to upgrade? Why compromise?

Here in AUS the 8600GTS is 20% more expensive

[Tatty_One]

Um 8600GTS is SLOWER than the X1950PRO in DX9. If you are referring to the synthetic benchmarks, I thought you would have known that drivers are behind its performance... whilst in games it does poorly. On stock cooling it will not fly like a rocket. You are already hitting temps of 80*C on stock cooling-I would not think why you would want to overclock! Onto DX10, no DX10 games are even out yet, most of them are still in beta/alpha stages and are due to release at the end or maybe next year, whats the point in buying a new graphics card like that when u are bound to upgrade? Why compromise?

Here in AUS the 8600GTS is 20% more expensive

Um, you obviously choose your reviews to read, I can show you a number where the 8600GTS beats the 1950Pro in over half the game tests, lets forget about synthetic benches, add that to the fact that you have had to add aftermarket cooling to your 1950Pro as most have because it's coolers generally are poor all rounders, add the fact that a 1950Pro generally clocks like a mule, if it was really any good you would not need to flash the BIOS to get it to a decent level, add to this that overclocked the 1950Pro will not match the overclocked GTS and.....UM I did say in UK the GTS is cheaper. So, I am pretty sure I know what the best deal in the UK is......ohhhh and I missed one small point, the 1950Pro wont be playing any DX10 games! :D

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

why all the hype about dx10? anyone ever considered that 2nd gen dx10 cards will be way more efficient?

[ex_reven]

Last time I checked this was a CPU Clubhouse :laugh:

[tkpenalty]

Um, you obviously choose your reviews to read, I can show you a number where the 8600GTS beats the 1950Pro in over half the game tests, lets forget about synthetic benches, add that to the fact that you have had to add aftermarket cooling to your 1950Pro as most have because it's coolers generally are poor all rounders, add the fact that a 1950Pro generally clocks like a mule, if it was really any good you would not need to flash the BIOS to get it to a decent level, add to this that overclocked the 1950Pro will not match the overclocked GTS and.....UM I did say in UK the GTS is cheaper. So, I am pretty sure I know what the best deal in the UK is......ohhhh and I missed one small point, the 1950Pro wont be playing any DX10 games! :D

Yeah but still DX10 games arent out yet. Whats the point?! Its more logical to get an 8800GTS than an 8600... Well, I tried the 8600GTS, guess what in NFS:C it chokes to death.

Meh... Need new RAM...

[Tatty_One]

I agree about the DX10 totally and I actually think R600 will be better in it than the opposition, their architecture is totally DX10 orientated, thats why they dont perform so well in DX9. I hear what you are saying about the 8600GTS also, I too think it's disapointing for it's price and really do hope the 2600XT betters it wheteher in DX9 or DX10.

Getting to CPU's however, just slotted in me new E6600, broke me Infinity cooler in the pr0cess so am having to use stock cooling but have already booted stable at 3.7Gig and ran SuperPI, temps were too high tho so have pegged her back a bit until I can sort out this cooling.

Am Currently running at 3.6Gig on 1.45V and coretemp is keeping each core at around 33C each at idle which should be OK for the moment.

[Frogger]

Getting to CPU's however, just slotted in me new E6600, broke me Infinity cooler in the pr0cess so am having to use stock cooling but have already booted stable at 3.7Gig and ran SuperPI, temps were too high tho so have pegged her back a bit until I can sort out this cooling.

Am Currently running at 3.6Gig on 1.45V and coretemp is keeping each core at around 33C each at idle which should be OK for the moment.

:toast: looks like you got a good E6600 Tatty_One ..Enjoy ..Mabe you can run @ 4+ when you replace the cooling:cool:

[giorgos th.]

New info:
Mb: Abit AW9D-MAX
Cpu: Core 2 Duo E6700 L628A 1.35Vcore
O/c: 3600mhz @ 1.4Vcore
Ram: 450x2 @ CL4-4-4-4 @ 2.1V
Multi: 10x
Speedstep: On
Status: 24/7.
Cooling: Custom water.

[DaMulta]

Come back to the light side PT

http://www.noodad.com/cms/images/stories/noogfx/luke_skywalker.jpg

:roll:

[theonetruewill]

Where you can look like this!

[Tatty_One]

Come back to the light side PT

http://www.noodad.com/cms/images/stories/noogfx/luke_skywalker.jpg

:roll:

That guy needs some new clothes, he's been wearing that for like 28 years! :eek:

[pt]

i'm officially on the dark side, no turning back now :X

[theonetruewill]

i'm officially on the dark side, no turning back now :X

AMD fanboi's have lost yet another from their number. It is a sad day as we mourn the loss of a ally, and the loss of a friend:cry:

:laugh:

[pt]

i'm sad too :p
dual core cpu's rule! :)
still at 2.7ghz and going, will report the max only later

[JC316]

*Ashen stalking from left, me stalking from right each has a pair of hedge clippers* TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tkpenalty]

BWHAHAHAHAHAH (lol). Ph34r the proffesionality of intel :)

[Tatty_One]

Still prefer AMD, nicer to overclock....and....ummm.....just nicer!

[tkpenalty]

As if, AMD got all this HT, Weird multi... so confusing!

[pt]

overclock is the same to me
just up fsb, and voltages as needed

[Tatty_One]

As if, AMD got all this HT, Weird multi... so confusing!

Lol actually coming from AMD to Intel, Intel is more complex to overclock, more parameters.

[pt]

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=203041
things going great :)
what's the max voltage on c2d?

[tkpenalty]

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=203041
things going great :)
what's the max voltage on c2d?

Dunno... dont like overvolting :(

[Tatty_One]

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=203041
things going great :)
what's the max voltage on c2d?

Well sensibly, 24/7 probably 1.5V dependant on temps, many put 1.55V through just for benching, I like to keep it to 1.45V 24/7 tho, many have different opinions on the subject but there are a couple of forums out theres that show that with some, prolonged use at 1.55V cause a fryup!!!

[tkpenalty]

1.5 is overkill for conroes... conroes overclock better than allendales, allendales need voltage lol.... Annoyingly enough, the stupid thing decides to give voltage increases by millivolts... Whats the stock voltage? My stupid voltage thingy is screwed.

[tkpenalty]

Finally I realise that I forgot to overvolt XD....

1.392v Holy cow... 47*C....

Im trying to keep it at 3.010 ghz, now at +61mV.

[pt]

mine's a allendale, i'm giving 1.475 to it, is too much?
temps are fine

[tkpenalty]

mine's a allendale, i'm giving 1.475 to it, is too much?
temps are fine

1.475 is way too much man... is it even unstable?

1.325 is enough up to 2.8Ghz... or 400FSB. I had to pump the voltages after it like, .05v... unless its unstable, there are no multitudes of stability, if it lasts half an hour at the said voltage (orthos) it is stable.

Different to you, try lowering it until it doesnt work for orthos. My one is at 3.0Ghz, running 100% stable, 30minutes sable.

[pt]

1.475 is way too much man... is it even unstable?

1.325 is enough up to 2.8Ghz... or 400FSB. I had to pump the voltages after it like, .05v... unless its unstable, there are no multitudes of stability, if it lasts half an hour at the said voltage (orthos) it is stable.

Different to you, try lowering it until it doesnt work for orthos. My one is at 3.0Ghz, running 100% stable, 30minutes sable.

1.475 is stable as a rock
and i'm at 3.2 (note to self: update sys specs)
356x9 = 3200mhz
:)

i also needed to up the nb voltage

[DOM]

I think I need 1.35v for 3.2GHz PT can you oc more ? with those volts

[tkpenalty]

1.475 is stable as a rock
and i'm at 3.2 (note to self: update sys specs)
356x9 = 3200mhz
:)

i also needed to up the nb voltage

Cant u go lower for the voltage?

[pt]

i can't get more since the fsb is maxxed up
i will try with lower voltage :)

[Tatty_One]

1.475 is fine, I bench at 1.55V! altrhough my 24/7 rule of thumb is 1.45V, there are plenty in here who run at 1.5V 24/7.

[tkpenalty]

Damn... my PC doesnt even POST anymore... WTF. It runs at 400Mhz without voltmods... but after that it fails to POST.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

caps going ftl?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

whats the status on the board?

btw can i join

also .. the package still hasnt arrived ...

bless

[tkpenalty]

Yeah you can.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

how ur mobo been acting now?

[tkpenalty]

_FBi;350704']how ur mobo been acting now?

Oddly enough it doesnt want to POST now at 430FSB... that is ODD. I'm guessing I need a new NB cooler, like 22AUD for a thermalright one :)

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

ok? what model?

can you believe that the usps still hasnt sent back my stuff to the return address?

[tkpenalty]

_FBi;350717']ok? what model?

can you believe that the usps still hasnt sent back my stuff to the return address?

Wha.... thats bad :shadedshu

[giorgos th.]

Oddly enough it doesnt want to POST now at 430FSB... that is ODD. I'm guessing I need a new NB cooler, like 22AUD for a thermalright one :)

what Vmch are u using for 430fsb?

[aximbigfan]

ok, im joining,

core 2 duo @ 1.83ghz (socket m)
1gb ddr2-667
12" active digitizing touch screen
finger print reader
motion sensor, accelerometer, vibration sensor
windows vista buisness
80gb SATA hdd

toshiba m400


chris

[Atech]

Hm, support, eh. How about how to get my Q6600's cores to clock lower than 1.6GHz on idle?

(Not really sure what the point is in joining a club house, but may as well ...)

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

put ur windows power management on max battery and enable speedstep in the bios ...

[Atech]

_FBi;351114']put ur windows power management on max battery and enable speedstep in the bios ...
I'm a *nix guy, read my specs. I have enabled SpeedStep though, that's what's allowing scaling to 1.6GHz on idle.

I found this (http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/195910.htm?prn=Y), but it's a bit vague. Plus it doesn't give the units, I wouldn't want ondemand trying to set it to 10^6GHz or whatnot.

Edit: I presume it has to be in multiples of the front side bus freq?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

exactly it has to be multiples cause what speedstep does is change the multiplier ...

reading ur article now

edit: that article seems to be over my head

Bless

[Tatty_One]

_FBi;351124']exactly it has to be multiples cause what speedstep does is change the multiplier ...

reading ur article now

edit: that article seems to be over my head

Bless

Speedstep? 6 x multiplier I beleive.

[Atech]

Speedstep? 6 x multiplier I beleive.
Yep. I'm going to change the the conservative governer and have it so that it goes 2.4>1.6>0.8, and see how that fares. If it's too slow at scaling (as has been warned) I'll just switch back to ondemand's 2.4>1.6. But it just seems stupid to set it that high on idle when it's doing zilch.


cat scaling_available_frequencies
2400000 1600000

Grrr ...

So is it possible at all on any OS to set it lower than 1.6GHz on idle? If not, well imo that's stupid.

[tkpenalty]

Woot im going to get some OCZ Ram soon, ram prices are dropping sharply now...

[Oliver_FF]

I just got my core2 through, with the P35 chipset ;)

E6600
Gigabyte P35C-DS3R
2GB OCZ Reaper 1066MHz 5-5-5-15
Zalman CNPS-9500

I've been running TAT and some prime95, wondering if you guys can shed any light on my Speedfan temps for me... and also, anyone know how to force my Zalman to run a bit faster, the mobo wants to run it permanently on the lowest speed... :(

**EDIT**
Ok, it seems you -have- to use EasyTune5 to adjust the fan speeds...

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Woot im going to get some OCZ Ram soon, ram prices are dropping sharply now...

yeah theyre going to drop until back to school season .. the ram i bought was for 199 .. when i bought it, 129 .. now 99.00 for 2 gb kit .. might get one more and call it a day

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

well i called the PO yesterday, they said they found the package, but it got lost again on transit to the return adress.

[tkpenalty]

_FBi;351875']yeah theyre going to drop until back to school season .. the ram i bought was for 199 .. when i bought it, 129 .. now 99.00 for 2 gb kit .. might get one more and call it a day

Nah... the prices for low end ram has stopped dropping, whilst the high end is still dropping.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Nah... the prices for low end ram has stopped dropping, whilst the high end is still dropping.


Mad .... a friend of mine got 4 gb of crucial for 190 US

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144062

74.99 after rebate ... maddd

[tkpenalty]

what Vmch are u using for 430fsb?

Around +76mV only...

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

it has been sent to the return address .. now for shiiping to teh courier then me, wh00t

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

going off to UPS 2mrw, goin be on teh other side of teh island for a while! later d00ds

[anticlutch]

Just wondering, but what kind of temps do you guys see around 3.0 ghz? My E6400 with 1.4vcore gets up to 50-53C idle with a Zalman 9500 and I thought it was a bit high... should I try reseating the heatsink?

[tkpenalty]

Just wondering, but what kind of temps do you guys see around 3.0 ghz? My E6400 with 1.4vcore gets up to 50-53C idle with a Zalman 9500 and I thought it was a bit high... should I try reseating the heatsink?

:S dont know why you would be getting temps like that... i get temps like that at load.

9500 eh? Um... can the cooler twist a bit? I thought it was weird that my friend's one could.

[anticlutch]

Yeah mine can twist a bit... I'll try reseating my HS when I get some more AS5 (I used almost a whole tube redoing my 8800gts -_-)

[tkpenalty]

Yeah mine can twist a bit... I'll try reseating my HS when I get some more AS5 (I used almost a whole tube redoing my 8800gts -_-)

LOL

[anticlutch]

I'm not kidding... the first time I tried to redo the heatsink, I applied AS5 like as if I were redoing a CPU heatsink... I ended up with high 70's idle. When I checked the GPU, the stock heatsink wasn't even touching 2/3 of the GPU, so then I used the rest of the tube to get 58C idle (down from 63C idle with the stock TIM).

[tkpenalty]

I'm not kidding... the first time I tried to redo the heatsink, I applied AS5 like as if I were redoing a CPU heatsink... I ended up with high 70's idle. When I checked the GPU, the stock heatsink wasn't even touching 2/3 of the GPU, so then I used the rest of the tube to get 58C idle (down from 63C idle with the stock TIM).

Shit thats warm... what case do u have anyway?

How does the CPU cooler do though?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

artic cooling freezer is here ! what to do now folks?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

can i cry?

[demonbrawn]

It's okay to cry. I did a couple times down the modding road. Anyway I.R.A., in your system specs it says you have a 32GB hard drive. Just thought I'd let you know if you feel like fixin it.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

my video card came broken after 3+ months of waiting :'(

[tkpenalty]

^lol.... RMA ASAP...

Anyway, reviving the clubhouse, I believe I overestimated the maximum threshold that my RAM could do, It runs stable at 4-4-4-12 @DDR800, and I forgot to pump the voltages, next thing I knew I got the BSoOF (Blue screen of overclocking faliure). Oh well :S... I got some AS5 now and the temps immediately dropped 4*C, now Im getting 35*C Load and 25*C Idle, northbridge is cooler by a considerable amount as well.

Wewt havent even burned in yet...

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

^lol.... RMA ASAP...


http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=32921

[anticlutch]

Shit thats warm... what case do u have anyway?

How does the CPU cooler do though?

A bit late with the response on my part but better late than never! :)

I think I've figured out the problem... the Zalman would do fine if my case were on top of my desk where there is more cool air available, rather than underneath my desk. When I had originally placed the computer there, I made sure that there was clearance between the back of the case and the desk, as well as some space between the desk and the wall, which would leave a gap for air to come in/out freely. Apparently however, the hot air seems to just stick around and not move despite the gaps and the case fans. Until I have some free time to redo the way that my computer is set up, I've managed to drop the CPU speed down to stock and undervolted to .95 vcore stable (idles at a disappointing 39C now) :shadedshu

[tkpenalty]

w00t got a Thermalright HR05... at first i installed the shim on the cooler... LOL... i was like "why is it so crappy"... then i fixed it up and yeah.. now its pwning.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

noice ... pics ...

[tkpenalty]

kklol, im trying to adjust it.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

no pix no care ...

[Garb3]

just a quick question whats the differance between a e4300 and an e6300 cause i'm buildin a comp for me brother and want to know the differance cause in the cpu database there doesnt seem to be any differance apart from the multiplyer????

[tkpenalty]

just a quick question whats the differance between a e4300 and an e6300 cause i'm buildin a comp for me brother and want to know the differance cause in the cpu database there doesnt seem to be any differance apart from the multiplyer????

Nothing, they only have a different multiplier. The E4300 just to warn you needs more voltages at 2.8Ghz.

I reckon, u should just clock it to 266fsb = easy ass overclock without hassels and will not have any problems. Um, just a thing Garb, I would go for the E6300 if you ARE keeping it at stock.

[Garb3]

thanks for the advice but he has decided to fork out the cash for an e 6320 i think thats the 1 with 4mb L2 cache

[tkpenalty]

thanks for the advice but he has decided to fork out the cash for an e 6320 i think thats the 1 with 4mb L2 cache

Yep. Performance will be the same as a 6600 at the same clockspeed and RAM speeds. For the price, I would spend a bit more for the E6420.

[tkpenalty]

http://img.techpowerup.org/070620/daw.jpg :D New NB Cooler :)

Apparently, this little beast is quite effective but sorta dissapointed me at first. AS5 SUCKS on it, it cools so badly with AS5 installed. I'm using the chillfactor that came with the box (three times more thermal paste than the AS5). I figured I'm getting a HR-01 for it :D, will look pretty nice when i get it, It will probably hide the cable "mess"

[Tatty_One]

Nothing, they only have a different multiplier. The E4300 just to warn you needs more voltages at 2.8Ghz.

I reckon, u should just clock it to 266fsb = easy ass overclock without hassels and will not have any problems. Um, just a thing Garb, I would go for the E6300 if you ARE keeping it at stock.

And......the 4300 is 800Mhz FSB as opposed to 1066 and..........you cannot get the 4300 with the better B2 stepping only the L1, there are some B2 6300's out there and they would be the chip of my choice having owned a 4300 however......If his Motherboard cannot handle High FSB's then the 4300 is prolly the better option.

[infrared]

woo, new mobo soon. The P5K deluxe (P35 chipset). Hopefully i'll be able to max this e6400 for the first time :D

[tkpenalty]

And......the 4300 is 800Mhz FSB as opposed to 1066 and..........you cannot get the 4300 with the better B2 stepping only the L1, there are some B2 6300's out there and they would be the chip of my choice having owned a 4300 however......If his Motherboard cannot handle High FSB's then the 4300 is prolly the better option.

266 is nothing to worry about anyway... for systems i build for people here I overclock allendales to 266 fsb then drop the RAM one ratio down :). Winning formula! He doesnt want to overclock the system as well.

woo, new mobo soon. The P5K deluxe (P35 chipset). Hopefully i'll be able to max this e6400 for the first time :D

P5K Deluxe eh? Just curious can the 8800GTX/GTS run on 8x PCI-E? Might do SLI 8800GTS on this mobo.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

why is my c2d still at 50 degrees ... must be the damn 37 degree ambients

[pt]

how are your's temps at 1.45/1.475 vcore?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

@ me?

[tkpenalty]

how are your temps at 1.45/1.475 vcore?

CRAP.... 52*C load... 40*C load.

Thats why I went back to the WIN 400FSB, 2.8Ghz combo.

[pt]

i'm having 66ºc on load at 1.45vcore at 3ghz with a sh^tload of airflow on my thermalright si-128 :/