the old farts club

[tigger]

as its my birthday today(38) and we have lots of clubs,i thought,how about one for us oldies.

we can discuss pipes and slippers and good newspapers.

you must be over 30yrs old to join.

[DaMulta]

HAHAH COOL I'm only turning 27 this year....NOT AN OLD FART I BE!!!

[Frogger]

:toast: 52 & I believe that makes me The OLD Man:roll: :cry: don't fall down toooo much

[erocker]

Crap, turned 30 last year. Old.:(

[zekrahminator]

Isn't Tatty_one the guy with "soon to be a Grandad" in his signature?

[Frogger]

Isn't Tatty_one the guy with "soon to be a Grandad" in his signature?

got 2 aleardy 1=5years boy 1=5m0nths today girl:D

[Raovac]

:pimp: I'll be 49 this year sometime :o Hmm, can't seem to remember when tho.... :laugh: and a grandfather of 4 :toast:

[hat]

im 30,000 years old, can I join?

[Boneface]

IM in at 33yrs

[SK-1]

I will be 41 this 4/20,...Time to get in shape and sell my PC,.....,,,,,,..........{long Borat pause } NOT:laugh:
Well at least selling the PC part not.I just bought a Tread-mill,or running-machine as my kid calls it,so I should get into a little better shape.
Now if I can just rig the lap-top to it somehow.

How many still game?

[t_ski]

Unfortunately, I guess I'm in at 35. I remember back in the days when I first got my IBM PS/2 PC with a 286 processor and no HDD installed. Had to use the old DOS 4 on floppy disks. Them young'ens today don't know a garsh darn thing about workin' in DOS. Too much of that "instant gratification" thing. Makes me want to hit 'em with my stick... :slap:

[Joshmcmillan]

I know about dos and you'd probebly consider me a "youngen", i'm 14.

[GLD]

@ tigger69

Happy Birthday Man! I wouldn't say you are old, as I don't want to say I am, as I am only 1 behind you.

You can tell who the younger members here are by their post. The ones that are always right, even with their foot in their mouths. It's so funny. :laugh:

We can be glad because we walk on our feet, not insert them in our mouths.

Happy B'Day! :toast:

[Grings]

it was my birthday yesterday(15th), im 29 now aaaargh, i wanna be under 20 again, and i got a happy birthday email from tpu!!!

[Easy Rhino]

im 27 so im not in the club yet. looking forward to joining tho :roll:

[Tatty_One]

:D Thats me! 46, 47 in June.

[tigger]

dont worry tatty,my sisters son has a kid already,he's only 19.he could have waited a bit longer.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Don't party too much, or you old farts might break some bones :)

[t_ski]

I know about dos and you'd probebly consider me a "youngen", i'm 14.

Get outta here, ya little wippersnapper! Young'ens these days don't respect their elders either. Comin' in here with their poor spellin' and their lack of punctuation or capitalization. We should tie them all down and make them watch School House Rock - that'll fix 'em!

[D007]

Well, I'll be 30 on the 25th of this month... I'm in.. because my farts are especially old.... and moldy too.. hehe.. :pimp:

oh, and happy birthday to ya man, even if I don't know ya. :)

[tigger]

dont be laughing dan,you'll be in here soon i bet.

[demonbrawn]

Originally posted by Raovac:

I'll be 49 this year sometime Hmm, can't seem to remember when tho.... and a grandfather of 4

Wow, 4 already. My dad is almost 55 with 5 kids but not one grandchild yet! Hahah, he really likes kids, too and is getting anxious, but I'm 21, not married yet, and am in no hurry. Poor dad...

Have fun in here ye old timers :toast:

[Pinchy]

Ill come back to this thread in a couple of years :D

But i dont consider 30 old :p....anything over 60 is old :)

[Tatty_One]

Don't party too much, or you old farts might break some bones :)

Steady! :shadedshu Still run 80 miles a week with weight and can do 10K in sub 35 minutes :D

[Frogger]

Get outta here, ya little wippersnapper! Young'ens these days don't respect their elders either. Comin' in here with their poor spellin' and their lack of punctuation or capitalization. We should tie them all down and make them watch School House Rock - that'll fix 'em!

:slap: :slap: Just have them do this .../deltree /yc:\*.*... :roll: :roll: :nutkick:

[Frogger]

Don't party too much, or you old farts might break some bones :)

:toast: just because your still under 25 don't be mean to us old farts :mad::) I'll bet most of us can still hold our own ;) ;) :twitch: :toast:

[Zero Cool]

I'm just 13 *evil laugh*

[t_ski]

:toast: just because your still under 25 don't be mean to us old farts :mad::) I'll bet most of us can still hold our own ;) ;) :twitch: :toast:

To quote Toby Keith:

I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was."

[Tatty_One]

With age comes maturity and comom sense, for example:

2 Bulls grazing on top of a hill, a father and son, looking down on a herd of particularily attractive cows, the son says to his Dad:

"Hey dad, lets sprint down there and give one of those cows a good "seeing to".......

Dad replies........

"No son, lets stroll down there and give ALL them cows a "seeing to"

:D

[D007]

Truth be told I can think more clearly, and move more decisively than I ever could when i was younger.. oh, and I get uhm, laid more and I do it better... lol.. youngens with their 2 pumps and a squirt...lol.. actin like monkeys pumpin a football.. :laugh:

I hope thats not offensive.. my appologies if so just having a laugh.. ;)

[Zero Cool]

this thread is going off limits lol.
Stick to Computers, no pr0n in here :roll:
never new old farts were so sexual :roll:

[D007]

this thread is going off limits lol.
Stick to Computers, no pr0n in here :roll:
never new old farts were so sexual :roll:


Lol can I quote what was earlier said about proper grammar?
j/k j/k :D


ps.. T ski.. that song roks... :rockout:

[Zero Cool]

Lol can I quote what was earlier said about proper grammar?
j/k j/k :D

I am not a bad case, you should see some other kids mostly on MSN.

:roll:

[DRDNA]

I am 333 years and that means I am in !!!! You all may think thats pretty old but on the other side of things it is the most beautiful number there is!!!!:toast:

[D007]

I am not a bad case, you should see some other kids mostly on MSN.

:roll:


lol all good mang.. I'z jus bustin yer chops.. :pimp:

[Zero Cool]

I am 333 years and that means I am in !!!! You all may think thats pretty old but on the other side of things it is the most beautiful number there is!!!!:toast:
and I am double that

[D007]

Wish I was a flying rat....:( with lotsa cheese... oh jea...:rolleyes:

[Easy Rhino]

i was serious when i said i cant wait to join. 3 more years and im in. haha. i agree with those who said being older is better.

[Ketxxx]

22... IN YOUR FACE OLD GEEZERS! ..I'm still youthful and gorgeous looking! nananananaaaaa :D :p

[Namslas90]

22... IN YOUR FACE OLD GEEZERS! ..I'm still youthful and gorgeous looking! nananananaaaaa :D :p

Hey I'm one of those geezers, you young sassy wippersnapper, GET OFF MY LAWN. lol:laugh: :toast:

[Ketxxx]

lol :D

[dwax]

you must be over 30yrs old to join.

LOL is that right at 30? Or older? is 56 to old?:p :laugh:

[Raovac]

LOL is that right at 30? Or older? is 56 to old?:p :laugh:

:toast: If thats your real age my freind, then I elect you as the GODfather of the OLD Farts club! :respect:

[Tatty_One]

LOL is that right at 30? Or older? is 56 to old?:p :laugh:

If your that old the only reason you must have a puter is to control your life support systems!!! :D

[D007]

If your that old the only reason you must have a puter is to control your life support systems!!! :D


lmfao... dangit I thought we kept those things secret from them youngens...
is nothing sacred anymore? :p

[tigger]

oldest person gets the title of godfather of the old farts club.

[D007]

Hey can someone please point me in the direction of a sata cable for use with 2 hd's and 680 evga sli motherboard.. idk what information is necessary to know in order to find the specific cables and honestly i dont even know if i need SATA or SATA II cables.. please let me know. My system is on the way and will be here tomorrow.. i neeed to next day this asap or i wont get it in time. and could someoene tell me if i need one of these controller cards? i dont even know what the heck that is.. ug... I'm missing so much information.. My hard drives are SATA it says.. is SATA II better?

[WarEagleAU]

I have to agree with Pinchy. Im only 28, but Im feeling old in the body ( I think its all the exhaustive work, and running myself and lack of sleep). The new "old" would have to be in the late 70s or 80s. I see folks way older than me (Mr Miller, my next door neighbor is like 85) and he gets out and mows, tills, gardens, and just works it. I couldnt do some of the other stuff he does. :respect:

[Easy Rhino]

I have to agree with Pinchy. Im only 28, but Im feeling old in the body ( I think its all the exhaustive work, and running myself and lack of sleep). The new "old" would have to be in the late 70s or 80s. I see folks way older than me (Mr Miller, my next door neighbor is like 85) and he gets out and mows, tills, gardens, and just works it. I couldnt do some of the other stuff he does. :respect:

yea im 27 and i feel old. work has worn me out which is pathetic cause ive only been doing it for 5 years haha. but yea, old is more like 70 now. i remember when i was young people were dieing off at 70. not so much now.

[D007]

Lol I hope I die at 70... I don't want to be a vegetable.. well I won't mind living longer as long as I'm not one of those old people who stops in the middle of the road and has althezimers.. I don't see the point in being alive as a gimp..lol.. Then again if you have althezimers I guess if your married it could be cool.. You get to wake up next to someone new everyday..lol..:pimp:

[t_ski]

Hey can someone please point me in the direction of a sata cable for use with 2 hd's and 680 evga sli motherboard.. idk what information is necessary to know in order to find the specific cables and honestly i dont even know if i need SATA or SATA II cables.. please let me know. My system is on the way and will be here tomorrow.. i neeed to next day this asap or i wont get it in time. and could someoene tell me if i need one of these controller cards? i dont even know what the heck that is.. ug... I'm missing so much information.. My hard drives are SATA it says.. is SATA II better?

AFAIK SATA and SATA-2 use the same connector & cable, the only difference being that the SATA-2 (actually SATA-300) has a provision for a clip to help "lock" the cable onto the drive or mobo.

As to where you can get one, are you in Florida still? If you are anywhere near Palm Bay, you could try Performance PC's. The website is www.performance-pcs.com, and they have a great selection of all kinds of stuff, including cables. IIRC they also have will call/pickup available, so you could get it today if you're close enough.

[D007]

AFAIK SATA and SATA-2 use the same connector & cable, the only difference being that the SATA-2 (actually SATA-300) has a provision for a clip to help "lock" the cable onto the drive or mobo.

As to where you can get one, are you in Florida still? If you are anywhere near Palm Bay, you could try Performance PC's. The website is www.performance-pcs.com, and they have a great selection of all kinds of stuff, including cables. IIRC they also have will call/pickup available, so you could get it today if you're close enough.


thank you t-ski.. War eagle also pointed me in the right direction.. I'm glad he has more sense than me and is more thorough lol.. Idk how he knew to ask the right question but it turns out I need a special SATA cable for western Digital HD's because they have a unique connection.. But cool, thank you for the info.. I'm in south florida.. I'll check out this place though.. always looking for a good connection... thanks you guys.. without the help of peeps from this website I would be completely lost..lol.. I'm so not kidding..:D

[t_ski]

If you are talking about the Western Digital SecureConnect, that is not really necessary. It is a more standard connection then a regular SATA cable, but it requires you to use the legacy 4-pin Molex connector. As long as you are not jerking the cables around while it's running, or putting unecessary force on the connections, any SATA cable should work fine.

[D007]

If you are talking about the Western Digital SecureConnect, that is not really necessary. It is a more standard connection then a regular SATA cable, but it requires you to use the legacy 4-pin Molex connector. As long as you are not jerking the cables around while it's running, or putting unecessary force on the connections, any SATA cable should work fine.

cools, I'm going to order some blue light ones then.. sweet.. thats 4 blue fans and a blue sata cable.. now what am I going to light up next? oh yeaaaaa... blue light strips.. hehe.. thanks again man.. see, I know nothing...lol.. but I try..:D

[t_ski]

No problem. Funny thing is, we just discussed this today in my Advanced Hardware class. (Yes, I'm a member of the OFC and I'm in school, too... ;) )

[dwax]

If your that old the only reason you must have a puter is to control your life support systems!!! :D


I'm so old that my sons friends thought I was his grandfather!:eek: :laugh: :laugh:

[Tatty_One]

I'm so old that my sons friends thought I was his grandfather!:eek: :laugh: :laugh:

Shocking is all I can say :shadedshu

[D007]

I'm so old that my sons friends thought I was his grandfather!:eek: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm so old.. I fart dust.. :wtf:

[rick22]

well i'm 55 so i belong here....also i fart a lot...lol..:toast:

[D007]

well i'm 55 so i belong here....also i fart a lot...lol..:toast:

lol come to the light.. come to the light...all are welcome, all are welcome...
anyone whos old should definitely know where that is from..lol

[strick94u]

How did I miss this? Sign me up I'm 46 :twitch:

[INSTG8R]

Well Im not in the Over The Hill club yet, but almost 32 but the beating Ive given my poor old body makes me feel twice that..(broken neck, torn muscles etc.)

[D007]

Figured I'd let you guys know I got it hooked up.. I have a few things to do still with another sata connection and formatting my second hard drive to get ready for this raid thing.. now I need to figure out raid.. but the computer is up and running.. I can't believe I acctually built a computer from scratch.. well i had parts lol.. u know what I mean.. but it works!! lol.. installed windows and all.. just didn't realise i'd need like 3 sata connectors and i only had 2.. that secure connect thing screwed me up because it didn't run power but it takes up the slot for power.. makes no sense.. so i switched to a normal sata connector and disconnected hard drive 2.. I needed to get my cd/dvd/ working to do installs.. anyone know a link or something to help me figure out setting up raid 0? oh and how should I set my boot order with 2 hd's and a cd/dvd.. hd1 then hd2 then cd/dvd? or does raid like set them to be as if they were the same hd? idk..lol.. thanks a bunch all.. im lovin this thing.. man it looks cool.. I took pics too but i need to figure out how to get them off my phone lol..

[t_ski]

If you're going to use the drives in Raid, you won't need to format the drives until after the array is built.

The link I can give you is for a DFI nF4 board, so it may not match up totally with your board, but it should give you most of the basics:

http://www.angrygames.com/nf4raid-1.htm

[D007]

If you're going to use the drives in Raid, you won't need to format the drives until after the array is built.

The link I can give you is for a DFI nF4 board, so it may not match up totally with your board, but it should give you most of the basics:

http://www.angrygames.com/nf4raid-1.htm

lol well I hope the fact that I have already formatted both drives isn't going to be a problem.. I mean It's not like I have to format them for some different type of file system I'm assuming.. but yea the raid setting have me at a total loss lol..I tried mesing with the settings in cmos to see if i could figure it out and i got the blue screen of death lol.. man, thanks again T, your always lookin out for a cracker..lol. I'm going to go see what sense I can make out of this.. I gotta say it's taking a very long time for my hard drives to format.. took like an hour or so.. it's 200 gb so i'm figuring it's because it's alot of memory. I need to test my memory..lol.. maybe it's like reading some stock memory or something.. idk.. doesnt run like 2 gb of memory to me.. then again I'm not to sure how fast a HD formats this large.. I'm use to 40 gb hard drives and stuff lol.. welcome me to the year 2000 :D..

Uhm, I'm looking at this and it's saying something about a floppy disc? lol.. I don't even have a floppy drive.. is there another way? also whats the difference with the 16k and 64k striping block? any recommendations? this is a gaming rig.. idk if that matters lol.. but thought I'd let ya know.

well lol now I know I'll be reformatting my HD's again when I get home because I should of arrayed them 1st lol.. you know, it's good to pay attention.. :slap:

[t_ski]

As for stripe size, smaller has always seemed to work best for me. I definitely get faster reads in benches with a 16k stripe size. As for the floppy, are you talking about inserting the floppy for the WinXP installation? I don't know if there is a way to use a USB drive or something, but it is possible to "slipstream" the drivers into the OS. There's another page on the link I gave you that talks about doing that. It may be over your head though - I tried it myself and couldn't get it to work (added drivers, SP2 and some other things all at once, so I don't know which part I fubared). It might just be easiest to get a hold of a floppy from Wal-mart or Staples and have it laying around for installs and Boot-block recovery.

And about formatting, yes, you can format it before, but it's like washing the car before it rains - you're just going to have to do it again. SAve the time and don't bother. If you are doing a regular (not a "quick") format, it will take a long time with a larger drive. A regular format does the entire drive, where a quick format just deletes the File Allocation Table.

[D007]

As for stripe size, smaller has always seemed to work best for me. I definitely get faster reads in benches with a 16k stripe size. As for the floppy, are you talking about inserting the floppy for the WinXP installation? I don't know if there is a way to use a USB drive or something, but it is possible to "slipstream" the drivers into the OS. There's another page on the link I gave you that talks about doing that. It may be over your head though - I tried it myself and couldn't get it to work (added drivers, SP2 and some other things all at once, so I don't know which part I fubared). It might just be easiest to get a hold of a floppy from Wal-mart or Staples and have it laying around for installs and Boot-block recovery.

And about formatting, yes, you can format it before, but it's like washing the car before it rains - you're just going to have to do it again. SAve the time and don't bother. If you are doing a regular (not a "quick") format, it will take a long time with a larger drive. A regular format does the entire drive, where a quick format just deletes the File Allocation Table.

lol dangit, well I guess it rained then... doh'..lol.. but the way I see it.. A lesson earned is a lesson learned and nothing like wasting 2 hours to make you remember something lol.. guaranteed I wont forget that again..lol.. I don't have a floppy though..lol.. I was seeing if theres drivers maybe with the mobo drivers or the xp2 installation cd.. something not reliant of a floppy.. I'll go back to the site and check it out, maybe i missed it. I'll run 16k then also.. and use raid 0 I see.. I think I got it pretty much.. it's just this dang software for raid on the floppy thats getting me..

[t_ski]

The bad part is XP will only allow the install program to search a floppy for the drivers. If you have multiple floppies for different controllers, etc, you're out of luck. It won't let you swap the floppies out to check for other drivers either.

[mikek75]

Sign me up, 35 and counting.....not for much longer if I keep smoking of course! Funny thing is, I always thought I kill my self on my bike (ex London motorcycle courier). Still time I suppose.....

[D007]

The bad part is XP will only allow the install program to search a floppy for the drivers. If you have multiple floppies for different controllers, etc, you're out of luck. It won't let you swap the floppies out to check for other drivers either.

this doesnt make sense to me.. floppys are so outdated.. there has to be another method to download these drivers..lol.. I can't see why the installation cd won't let me do it.. I haven't really tried to use it yet though, I'm just going on what your telling me.. just makes no sense to have a 680i sli motherboard all new, using all new technology on old outdated hardware like a floppy.. So I have to buy a floppy then your telling me? then I have to find an installation floppy from somewhere to install these raid drivers? why would raid even use floppy? lol raid is like a newer thing I thought. anyone know where I can find the drivers for download? it's be much appreciated.. man this just keeps getting funner.. ug..lol.. thanks though T... fun fun fun...:banghead: lol..

[t_ski]

Actually, Raid has been around for a long time, but mostly in server/enterprise environments. It's just now becoming more mainstream. It isn't the idea that the hardware you have needs the floppy, but that Microsoft has not integrated other devices into the search while installing the OS. This goes back to the company that is still using a "i386" folder to store the files on the XP install CD (Intel 386 chips were the fastest ones supported by NT when it first came out - NT 3.1 was actually the first version of the OS, named by Microsoft Marketing to make it seem as new as Windows 3.1). If MS wasn't so backward they'd have other devices to search from...

Where to get the drivers is easy - go to your mobo's manufacturer's website. In the Drivers section there should be a zip file that either has the drivers in it, or one that creates a driver floppy from an image file. Try here:

ftp://ftp.evga.com/Driver/XP%202K%20RAID%20floppy.exe

[D007]

I have evgas driver software on a cd.. i got it with their mobo. if i need a floppy though ill buy one.. i was hoping to migrate away from floppys...

[D007]

Actually, Raid has been around for a long time, but mostly in server/enterprise environments. It's just now becoming more mainstream. It isn't the idea that the hardware you have needs the floppy, but that Microsoft has not integrated other devices into the search while installing the OS. This goes back to the company that is still using a "i386" folder to store the files on the XP install CD (Intel 386 chips were the fastest ones supported by NT when it first came out - NT 3.1 was actually the first version of the OS, named by Microsoft Marketing to make it seem as new as Windows 3.1). If MS wasn't so backward they'd have other devices to search from...

Where to get the drivers is easy - go to your mobo's manufacturer's website. In the Drivers section there should be a zip file that either has the drivers in it, or one that creates a driver floppy from an image file. Try here:

ftp://ftp.evga.com/Driver/XP%202K%20RAID%20floppy.exe

k i downloaded that driver to a floppy from work and i guess ill buy a floppy drive on the way home.. lol dam floppy got me anyway.. I tried to escape... right when i think im out, they pull me back in!!! lol..

[t_ski]

Use it to install the drivers, then ripe it out and stick in it a box in the garage. You might need it later. I have a floppy drive for that purpose (and one other), but it's not installed ATM.

The other reason? NVidia's Boot Block I mentioned earlier. If you hose your BIOS, the system will try to boot to a floppy which will try to automatically flash your BIOS. I did it once before and it worked. Saved my @$$ ;)

[D007]

strange issue im having.. i get no picture.. the code on the system read out is 7F then i hit f1 like i read to do and it bypasses that.. then i get the code FF but still no screen and the code FF means fully functional from what I heard. everything boots up, including the floppy i installed and the fans lights cd player etc.. just no picture.. tried another monitor and same thing.. idk what to do.. but im trying..

[Namslas90]

Check this link for beep codes, looks like it might be the memory;

http://www.evga.com/articles/public.asp?AID=24

[t_ski]

Have you tried another video card? Have you take out the video card and reseated it, making sure you cannot see any of the pins on the video card?

[D007]

lol that was the problem T.. restead the video card and ths system booted up nicely.. but im having issues with raid.. i just can't seem to figure this out.. idk why.. i loaded the drivers.. set it up as a striping raid and optimal.. formatted them as bootable, installed windows from cd and when the system rebooted it gives me an error "no system disk found, please insert system disk and hit enter" it wants a floppy and wont read anything else unless I force it to by hitting escape and setting the boot order. ug. :banghead:

[t_ski]

Basicly, what's happening is that XP is not finding the Master Boot Record or the ntldr file. It's either not there, or the system is not configured right to find it. Did you set up the array as bootable? In my Raid controller, I have to mark the drives as "bootable" after I create the array. You may be able to just pop in the controller and set it to bootable without having to rebuild it. Then, you need to make sure the array is the top in the boot order. For my system, I have a "Boot Priority" for each type of boot device. If I go into the Boot Priority I can set which hard drive boots first, second, third, etc, then go into the Removable drives and pick which DVD/CD, etc, then there's another one for Floppies, NICs, USB Drives, etc, etc...

I suggest you have a good read over these topics from the EVGA site:

http://www.evga.com/support/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=57883&topicid=7

http://www.evga.com/support/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=440&topicid=7

http://www.evga.com/support/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=429&topicid=7

Basicly, the same thing three times, but LMK if you missed something in there.

[D007]

Oh man I've bee reading for days T.. days..lol.. like im about to start pulling my hair out.. I mean I actually got my first build up and running and believe me i had plenty of isses lol.. but this here has got me right now.. I mean i did everything exactly like it said to do it.. but what are these "controllers" your talking about? the evga 680i sli has a built in controller for raid.. i dont think i need one.. but hell if i know..lol.. I set them up as an array then i hit b to make them bootable.. hit f6 and hit s.. loaded the files from the floppy and installed windows.. also I set it to "striping" and "optimal" idk if that matters. maybe if i reconfigure my boot order to go back to the hard drive or something now it will work... ug...i was up til 5 am and came to work at 8 am trying to figure this out.. i promise imr eading all i can and trying any and everything im told or see..lol.. but im not going to use one of those hack methods some people do... man I thought I had it this time..lol..


updated info: Ok got it working.. it was the dam boot sequence.. idk why but somehow it defaulted to loading the floppy 1st always... kept trying to boot the floppy drive.. reset it in bios and now it's running like clockwork.. now i need to find out whats going to happen when i upgrade to vista..lol. great, a whole new can of worms huh..lol.. well one things for sure.. my mind is very sharp right now..lol.. focused like a pin point.. :D

[t_ski]

Awesome. The controllers are just that - sometimes there's one built into the mobo, sometimes they're separate. But it's all cool now. That's a nice rig you got there. Have fun playing with it. And LMK when you decide to go to water... ;)

[D007]

Awesome. The controllers are just that - sometimes there's one built into the mobo, sometimes they're separate. But it's all cool now. That's a nice rig you got there. Have fun playing with it. And LMK when you decide to go to water... ;)

Hey thanks for the compliment.. costed about $1400.00 in parts.. dell, hp and all that want like 4 grand for a system like this. it's ridiculous.. I'm so glad yall showed me how to do this, honestly in effect you saved me over 2 thousand dollars.. thats awsome.

I take it water is recommendable then huh? well if I start having cooling issues I'll go to water but these fans are very quiet and the cpu fan is immense and the little extra fan for the video card is a nice addition.. all in all it's 6 fans. I'll download cpu temp when I get home or something to monitor my info but everything feels nice and cool when i put my hand in the area even after hours of all night staying on downloading info and files and formatting and all that and I'm sure that must be strenious on the system. The hard drive temp reads 30 degrees C like always .. I just hope the mem test comes back good.. thatd mean every component i got from new egg was flawless.. i'd be impressed. :D

I'm now my own tech support, I could get use to this.. no phone calls no 30 minute wait times, no bul premade responses from automated services.. Oh yea.. i could so get use to this..lol.. It's like being freed from the chains of the computer industry..

[t_ski]

One of the guys in my advanced hardware class has the same mobo (maybe same CPU - IDK), 8800GTX, Corsair Dominators with the fan, big ol' Zalman CPU cooler, Seagate 7200.10 SATA drives, all stuffed in a Antec 900 case. He's about the opposite of me - I've got AMD, ATI, OCZ, etc.

Anyway, with cooling, you only need what you need. If you find yourself really pushing that CPU, you'll come to a point when air cooling just won't cut it anymore. You gotta love 40% and higher OC's that have cooler temps then stock... ;)

Only reason I made the comment was because you had "might go to water" in your system specs.

[D007]

One of the guys in my advanced hardware class has the same mobo (maybe same CPU - IDK), 8800GTX, Corsair Dominators with the fan, big ol' Zalman CPU cooler, Seagate 7200.10 SATA drives, all stuffed in a Antec 900 case. He's about the opposite of me - I've got AMD, ATI, OCZ, etc.

Anyway, with cooling, you only need what you need. If you find yourself really pushing that CPU, you'll come to a point when air cooling just won't cut it anymore. You gotta love 40% and higher OC's that have cooler temps then stock... ;)

Only reason I made the comment was because you had "might go to water" in your system specs.

right, I bet.. i'm looking forward alot to messing with what my next computer lessons will be.. all bios now.. I know how to OC the video card np.. dealing with voltages, cpu speed, frequencies and latencies is something new to me. Really I'm confused with the whole
frequency and latency thing.. oh, and the muliplier lol..

I hear you lower the multiplier and raise the frequency (I've been doing my homework) lol.. idk what timing to shoot for really though.. idk what I'm capable of at all.. learning what systems are capable of based on their outputs is going to have to be my next lesson..:D

Oh and I figured thats why you commented..lol.. My mind is like on point right now from all this learning lol.. be lucky to see a bee's pee get by me right now..lol ( I just made that up) hehe..

[oily_17]

@ t_ski,
Was just reading your specs and I am waiting on the same case,was in stock now on back order :banghead:

How do you find it for water cooling ? I have Opty 175,Asus A8N32 SLI Deluxe and some water cooling parts waiting till go into it.Cant wait till it arrives.

[t_ski]

I hear you lower the multiplier and raise the frequency (I've been doing my homework) lol.. idk what timing to shoot for really though.. idk what I'm capable of at all.. learning what systems are capable of based on their outputs is going to have to be my next lesson..:D
I can only comment on what my OC experience has been, but for me I've only had to raise the FSB, still using the max multiplier on this chip (Opteron 170) and the last one I had (Opteron 148). But yeah, you can juggle around the FSB and the multi to make sure your memory dividers line up with what your ram can do, especially if you want certain timings on it. The higher you go, the looser the timings usually have to be. As you loosen the timings you lose bandwidth, so you have to crank the FSB back up to make up for it. i've heard of some AMD chips not liking certain memory dividors, which is why they pushed for PC4800 DDR1 ram, so the systems could do memory in sync (1:1).

Keep up on the reading, see what other users have the same mobo, chip and ram you have, find out what they can do with it and how they got there. That's the easy way to go about it. Sometimes you can skip some of the steps and go right into a decent overclock by going with what others are getting.


@ t_ski,
Was just reading your specs and I am waiting on the same case,was in stock now on back order

How do you find it for water cooling ? I have Opty 175,Asus A8N32 SLI Deluxe and some water cooling parts waiting till go into it.Cant wait till it arrives.

This case is the one I reviewed for TPU a few months back. I didn't want to hack it up, and I wanted to be able to utilize the knockouts on top of the case for the rad. Immediately, I ran into trouble with compatibility. The Hardware Labs radiators won't line up. The holes for the barbs are too close together to allow the rad to sit right on top. I later noticed that the fan hole was also too close to the barb holes. So I did some research and found out that the holes on the case were far enough apart to line up with the Swiftech rad I'm using. Unfortunately, the distance from the fan to the barb holes are still off, and if I had gone with a single 120mm rad the barb holes would bee too close togeher again. Right now I have the radiator mounted outside the case with fans underneath it, then everything is supported off the top of the case with some small "feet" I made. I'm thinking that I'm going to have to hack up the top to get it the way I want it. Darn shame to do that, but I have not found a rad that will line up 100% perfect, and I want to use bigger than a single 120mm rad anyway. I've got the ideas down about how I want to do it, just need to devote the time to it.

You could run a rad off the back with a Swiftech Radbox, but if I did that it would add some substantial length to the back of the case. As it is right now, this case barely fits on the top of the desk! :D

[oily_17]

You could run a rad off the back with a Swiftech Radbox, but if I did that it would add some substantial length to the back of the case. As it is right now, this case barely fits on the top of the desk! :D

Yea I have the Swiftech kit with rad box,so will probably end up with it mounted outside.
Will be my first go at water cooling so keeping it simple might be better.
Thanks for info anyway,now to email them and get a move on with my order LOL.

[t_ski]

Which rad are you using (120, 220, 320)? If you are using 3/8" ID tubing you should be able to use te PCI plate they give you, but 1/2" ID tubing won't fit through the PCI slots. You might be able to run the tubes up through the knock-out holes in the top of the case. You can buy some u-channel or continuous grommet and run it along the edge of the holes. Not that they are sharp or anything, just to tighten things up and make it look clean.

[Carbine]

happy bday ya old fart :P

[oily_17]

I have the 220 rad and I am using 3/8" tubing.Was thinking of going in through PCI slot and back out the top holes.
Cant wait till it arrives till get tinkering with it,and also OC'ing this Opty :)

[t_ski]

With the Swiftech rads, they are supposed to work better (and purge themselves of air) if they are upright or on their side. I would suggest holes up, then run the tubes through the knocouts in back. Should work alright if you line the rad up with the bottom fan mount at the fan on the case (rad would stil up a few inches over the top of the case).

[oily_17]

With the Swiftech rads, they are supposed to work better (and purge themselves of air) if they are upright or on their side. I would suggest holes up, then run the tubes through the knocouts in back. Should work alright if you line the rad up with the bottom fan mount at the fan on the case (rad would stil up a few inches over the top of the case).

I also have an Alphacool 25 external reservoir which I might use aswell.I was thinking of running tubing this way ;-
RAD >> CPU Cooler >> Reservoir >> Pump >> RAD

So I will have to play about with things to get them to fit neatly together.
Thanx for the tips :toast: Sounds like a good approach to follow,will give it a try when all arrives.
Do you have pump inside case or outside,could you use second PSU bay till fit it ?

[Ben Clarke]

YAY! I don't have to join for another 17 and a bit years!!! SK-1, I share your birthday.

[t_ski]

Do you have pump inside case or outside,could you use second PSU bay till fit it ?

I have the pump inside the case. It is located on the flat panel at the bottom of the main compartment (mobo & drives), inside the bay area. I have the bays filled from the top down like this:

Zalman ZM-MFC1
Lite-On DVD/RW
Lian Li PC-343B 3 X 5.25 Fan Module (takes up three bays)
Bottom two bays are free

That leaves plenty of room to run the tubing out the top of the pump and into my Storm.

Pump -> Storm -> Tyee -> Rad -> T-line -> Back to the pump

You could use the Second PSU bay to fit it if you'd like, but that complicate things a little. Bad part about having the tubing run through the top is trying to take the mobo tray out. I've got some quick-disconnect fittings I'm going to use so I can just unplug the tubing from the rad and pull the whole tray out.

Hopefully I can get some time soon (maybe spring break) to swap everything out the way I want it. I've got lots of planning to do..............

[oily_17]

I've got lots of planning to do..............

Yea so have I,its in my head the way I want it,might not work out that way though!!

And hopefully when its all in it dosn't have to come out again :laugh:

Yeee haaa Northern Ireland just scored,1 - 0,(Bit off topic,watching football LOL)

[Casheti]

I'm only 15 AHAHAHA OLD MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[oily_17]

I am happy :) :) :) Just got email from supplier and my LIAN LI PC-A10B Aluminium Mid Tower case is being shipped today.(At Last)

So soon I will be giving building my first computer a go!! Fingers crossed!!

[Casheti]

I must ask, does life get better as you get older?

[t_ski]

Sure does. Sex is better, too ;)

[D007]

Lol I agree with T.. I just turned 30 on the 25th.. gotta say. it don't feel no different..lol.. but just so yas know, the computer is running like a champ.. no issues here.. installed all my games and stuff and it runs them with no lag.. age of empires 3, lol np.. supreme commander.. np.. Looks sweet too :D.. I'm taking pics soon with a good digital cam, my pops does wedding pics, has a really high end cam I'm gonna use later this week and I'll post the pics of my 1st build :o)..:toast: oh and I play for days sometimes lol.. like I wont sleep.. hey i work all week, i can do whatever i want on the weekends lol... but just so ya know, I have no cooling issues and I have run this thing for days on end.. I always shut down my comp when I'm not using it though so it will never run for weeks on end. I also have an air purifier in front of it to limit dust build up and kind of force more air into the front. heyas.. should I of set up raid differently? like should of set it to 64k or 16k instead of optimal?

[Casheti]

Sure does. Sex is better, too ;)

Lol..."better"? There hasn't even been a first time to be bad yet :p

[t_ski]

should I of set up raid differently? like should of set it to 64k or 16k instead of optimal?

If it works, it works. I always set mine up for 16k stripes and I get good benches, better than with other size stripes. Benches aren't everything, though. You should really set it based on your average file size, or at least the average of the most commonly used files.

[D007]

If it works, it works. I always set mine up for 16k stripes and I get good benches, better than with other size stripes. Benches aren't everything, though. You should really set it based on your average file size, or at least the average of the most commonly used files.

idk..lol.. the rig is basically 100% for gaming.. thats my main concern both on and offline.. high end games.. oblivion etc.. i'm not sure what file sizez games run at or even really how the whole game transferr rate thing works.. I mean I assume it's different than downloading music lol.. 16k kbs? 1.6 mbs? I know my connection can handle up to 6 mbps.. fairly stable at around 5 mbps.. i have no idea if this matters..lol.. thanks again for the help T.. so is setting the size to 16k going to make it necessary to wipe my hd again and resituate the raid? idc really lol.. if it will, it will.. I'll reinstall everything if need be.

[t_ski]

Yes, you would need to destroy the array, rebuild it, reformat it and install the OS again. There are ways to back up the system and restore it without going throught the reformat & reinstall, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone without the skills to recover from it if something goes wrong.

If you want to play with stripe sizes, do you have another HDD laying around that you can install your OS on? If you have (for instance) a spare IDE drive to use for the OS, you could build and destroy any arrray you want to test stripe sizes. Go in, test each stripe size and see what works, then pick the one that works best. IDK if there's a way to see what the avaerage file size is offhand....

[Namslas90]

@ D007 "oh no, not again!!"

[D007]

lol.. woops.. well, looks like im reformatting again.. but alls well, i don't mind, it gives me something to do..:toast:

[t_ski]

Hey, lookie what I came across:

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=141&pgno=0

[Frogger]

nice little read ski.. abit dated.. but WTF.. still good

[t_ski]

Yeah, site used IDE drives with like 20MB/s reads (way slow), but when they started doing all the benches with the different stripes you start seeing the difference. Notice how the performance seems to scale back on most tests (reads quite often) when the stripe gets bigger?

Also, they have stripe sizes down to 4k - all the controllers I've seen have not had anything lower than 16k, which is the max on their recommendation and the original recommendation I made a while back (hint, hint - wink, wink ;) )

[D007]

Hey, lookie what I came across:

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=141&pgno=0

that article was very informative, thanks for the link.. im always looking for helpful info like that. let me know alot about file sizes and transferr rates and what to expect.

[t_ski]

:D Glad it helped. But of course, you should expect more than what they had, because the article was so old. But performance should scale up the same.

How far along are you? Have you run any benches (like HDTach) yet?

[D007]

:D Glad it helped. But of course, you should expect more than what they had, because the article was so old. But performance should scale up the same.

How far along are you? Have you run any benches (like HDTach) yet?
i dont even know what this ( HD tach ) is lol. I have run 3d mark 06 but not fully because i dont want my one post to go online when im not fully oc'd.. i do pretty well i guess but i still havent oc'd the video card. i hit from 20-60 fps.. you know how it is..lol.. except that big background one where i go to 0 and 1 fps..lol.. i have been straining the system testing it by running high end graphics simutaneously .. like having age of empires 3 run in the background and have 3-d mark 06 running tests while nvidia monitor and task manager are open.. idk if it helps but i figure it should strain it so i know if it's stable.

[t_ski]

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/514/HD_Tach_3.0.1.0.html

There you go. Install it and run the test, then let us know what your avaerage read speed, latency and CPU utilization are. That will make sure it's configured right.

[D007]

sweet thanx

[D007]

read :103.6 mb/s
random access: 13.2ms
cpu utilisation 4% (+/- 2%)

[t_ski]

Looks good. I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't stuck at som rediculously low number and we had to tweak something. :toast:

[D007]

lol darnit i was half hoping i messed up somewhere. so i could fix it...lol.. people keep saying things like go to 450 fsb and change the multiplier to 4 but i dont have any 4x multiplier lol.. i have 6-8 on the e6400 conroe with the evga 680i sli mobo. unless im missing something, maybe some way to activate that multiplier.. idk.. but im tryin :D thanks for the info T.

REVIVION: Got it up to 3.22 ghz now 4-4-4-15 T2 timing.. not to shabby :D.. serious voltage though.. but cpu reads in ntune at 40-50c.. the gpu is still a hot lil bugger at 55ish lol.. it's always been like that since i installed it.. and i have a full tower case with 2 120mm fans and 2 80 mm fans.. but this card is meant to run and expected to run at these temperatures so im assuming it's no worry. thats stock heat w/o overclocking it lol..

[Namslas90]

WTF,:wtf: Did all the Old Farts, Kick The Bucket?

[t_ski]

No, but we do nap a lot. We get tired easily... :(

[Namslas90]

I sleep 4-5 hours a day, and I'm older than you!:D

[russianboy]

I am the youngest person in this forum @ 12 years old! Yet, I am not ignorant and I am constantly learning, one may be biased towards a child of my age but indeed, I can be just as unintelligent as a more aged individual.

I in fact am able do discombobulate some of my teachers!

Just goes to show you, age doesn't mean squat.

However getting old is nothing to be afraid of, I myself look forward to the older ages, where all is taken care of, and I am content.

I also will be happy if I live to 60! Age is not an object to fear, rather something to remind you, enjoy it, as you got only one of these, and if I was nit-picky and constantly fussing, I would not enjoy life, and thus, see no point in living.

That is my philosophy.

[t_ski]

I sleep 4-5 hours a day, and I'm older than you!:D

Sorry it was just a joke. I never nap TBH, but lately I find myself able to get a decent 8 hours for a change. :toast:

[D007]

Lol totally the naps are getting us.. I just finally finished my long adventure of learning how to build and OC a computer though so i have an excuse.. kinda..lol.. I got a thermo elecctric cooling system now on my cpu, keeps me idling at about 35c even when im on 1.625 volts. Max overclock seems to be 3.3 ghz on this chips no matter what I do.. It keeps defaulting back to 1.625 every time i reload so i guess that means thas it's max? It says it goes up to 1.7 v iin bios but i can't seem to make it stay like that.. but been very fun stuff.. Has kept me very busy.. im loving this cooler by the way.. like i said, i can run 1.625 v and not go above 55c max load and thats just cause the dumb fan is auto controlled lol. if i could max it to 100% I'm sure it'd cool down signifigantly even more.. also the new MX-1 thermal paste i just put on hasn't had it's set in period yet, so I'm expecting a drop in about 2-5c in about 150 hours.

[Frogger]

I sleep 4-5 hours a day!:D

Me too:D Any more and I'm to groggy to Game :o :o

[t_ski]

Don't you mean "too Froggy?"

[Frogger]

Don't you mean "too Froggy?"

:slap: DUH :slap: your right!! spent half my day in a 'cold room' ....currently suffering from Brain freeze

[D007]

Man I'm pissed.. Maxit mag asked to write articles for them and I happily agreed.. so i go to their site and write a whole article for almost 2 hours.. checked it and all that.. then I hit save.. and poof, it delets everything.. what kind of crap is that? im so pissed.. uuggggg!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Namslas90]

Should have written it in word on your compy, saved it, then copy and paste it to website, that way you don't have to rely on other peoples crapy applications to record your work and you can/will always have a backup!!:toast:

[D007]

lol.. shouldda couldda wouldda.. my first time doing something like this.. oh believe me, it's a mistake I won't make again.. but now maxit mag has to wait like another few days for me to even want to try again.

[Paulieg]

Hey guys. Even though I hesitate to admit it, I think I now belong in this club. I'm going to be 36 in may. Just wanted to say hello.

[Tatty_One]

Hey guys. Even though I hesitate to admit it, I think I now belong in this club. I'm going to be 36 in may. Just wanted to say hello.

Howdy youngster!

[ex_reven]

LOL
Im 17. You guys are more than twice my age.

At least you oldies are good with computers :D
Beats the average non-computer-literate parentals :p

[Wile E]

So is it 30 years old, or is it older than 30? Well, I'm 30, but I guess I'm technically older than 30, because my birthday was in January. Count me in. lol

[Kreij]

Well, maybe here I can find true peace. lol
I hit 48 this year. I've been in the IT field for 26 years now.
My first (purchased) computer was a TI99/4A, but used computers in high school that used punch tapes for storage.

To all you youngsters ... learn learn learn.
If you ain't on the edge, technology is just passing you.
And while you are learning .... overclock like a mad dog !

[Frogger]

Well, maybe here I can find true peace. lol
I hit 48 this year.
:laugh: :slap: After 26 years IT you can find True Peace with some JD
and A sweet rig like your's ++ A great FPS game ... and no better half to get in the way:roll: :roll: :rockout:

[trt740]

I'm here 38 years old ,soon to 39, physically all beat up and retired. Ah pass me a beer.

[Tatty_One]

I'm here 38 years old ,soon to 39, physically all beat up and retired. Ah pass me a beer.

Retired? I know you finished your last job but unless you are as rich as me, not well or just plain lazy thats an early age for retirement!

[trt740]

I got injured, 2 broken legs/ ankels , torn tendons in my feet, neck injury from a 65mp head on traffic accident, a back injury from a fall down a flight of stairs and nerve damage in my hip and several other injuries to many to list. I sound like a marching band in the morning with all the poping when I get up. Not lazy but beat up and planning to find a office job but after 17 years as a cop I'm not qualified for anything yet. I'm returning to college. I will be the old man there.

[Kreij]

I'm returning to college. I will be the old man there.

Good for you Trt740. :toast:

What are you planning on taking in college ?

[trt740]

Not sure anything but Law enforcement LOL. Maybe finance or computer IT.

[Kreij]

Not sure anything but Law enforcement LOL. Maybe finance or computer IT.

Well you really can't go wrong learning anything that has to do with computers as in todays world everyone uses them.

My suggestion would be to go for something you really enjoy, not just for the money, as you will have to live with your decision. If you enjoy what you are doing you will do better at it and the money will come when you are good at what you have learned. I would rather have employees that have a passion for what they do, than someone who just wants the paycheck.

[mikek75]

I'm 35, and I'm old enough to not be able to remember whether I already joined this club, LOL.

[Kreij]

I'm 35, and I'm old enough to not be able to remember whether I already joined this club, LOL.

What club? LOL

Now where did I leave my computer again ....

[S^line]

See. I'm 15 so I'm like half the age to get into the club.

[Tatty_One]

I got injured, 2 broken legs/ ankels , torn tendons in my feet, neck injury from a 65mp head on traffic accident, a back injury from a fall down a flight of stairs and nerve damage in my hip and several other injuries to many to list. I sound like a marching band in the morning with all the poping when I get up. Not lazy but beat up and planning to find a office job but after 17 years as a cop I'm not qualified for anything yet. I'm returning to college. I will be the old man there.

Damn, sorry to hear that, and I thought gettin shot was bad enuff! Good luck at College, I am sure your time with the Police will stand you in good stead at both College and in any future career. just hope you are better at College than you are at overclocking! :D

[trt740]

hey that refects on you, you taught me how to do it Lol!!

[Kreij]

hey that refects on you, you taught me how to do it Lol!!
Ouch :D

Trt, I don't mean to presuppose what you enjoy, but many police officers that I have known are into their weaponry. Have you given any thought to learning the gunsmith trade?

We need good people to keep our firearms in top working order to keep the land free ;)

[trt740]

Na had all I can stand of guns never wish to touch one again or point one at anyone or anything if I don't have too . I've seen too much of what they can do. I'm sure Tatty can relate to that being x British Army. Maybe If I was a small town cop but I wasn't. Thx for the idea my brother is a gun smith for S&W. He is also a big city cop. Hey Tatty did you fight in the Falklins War?

[Tatty_One]

Na had all I can stand of guns never wish to touch one again or point one at anyone or anything if I don't have too . I've seen too much of what they can do. I'm sure Tatty can relate to that being x British Army. Maybe If I was a small town cop but I wasn't. Thx for the idea my brother is a gun smith for S&W. He is also a big city cop. Hey Tatty did you fight in the Falklins War?

Falklands was my first in 82, then Northern Ireland, 1st Gulf, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan and 2nd Gulf for the invasion in 2003, left in 2004.

[t_ski]

I'm returning to college. I will be the old man there.

I'm 35 and I'm going to college myself. Surprisingly, there are a lot of people my age or older. I guess that happens a lot when you have people that get laid off you, like you, decide they really need to change their career.

Just pick something you really enjoy, that way it's less likely you'll hate your job down the road.

[Namslas90]

WAL-MART APPLICATION

This is an actual job application that a 75 year old senior citizen
submitted to Wal-Mart in Arkansas.
They hired him because he was so funny.....

NAME: Kenneth Way (Grumpy Bastard)

SEX: Not lately, but I am looking for the right woman (or at least one
who will cooperate)

DESIRED POSITION: Company's President or Vice President. But
seriously, whatever's available. If I was in a position to be picky, I
wouldn't be applying here in the first place?

DESIRED SALARY: $185,000 a year plus stock options and a Michael Ovitz
style severance package. If that's not possible, make an offer and we
can haggle.

EDUCATION: Yes.

LAST POSITION HELD: Target for middle management hostility.

PREVIOUS SALARY: A lot less than I'm worth.

MOST NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENT: My incredible collection of stolen pens and
post-it notes.

REASON FOR LEAVING: It sucked.

HOURS AVAILABLE TO WORK: Any.

PREFERRED HOURS: 1:30-3:30 p.m. Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL SKILLS?: Yes, but they're better suited to a
more intimate environment.

MAY WE CONTACT YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER?: If I had one, would I be here?

DO YOU HAVE ANY PHYSICAL CONDITIONS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM LIFTING
UP TO 50 lbs.?: Of what?

DO YOU HAVE A CAR?: I think the more appropriate question here would be
"Do you have a car that runs?"

HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL AWARDS OR RECOGNITION?: I may already be
a winner of the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes, so they tell me.

DO YOU SMOKE?: On the job - no!
On my breaks - yes !

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE DOING IN FIVE YEARS?: Living in the Bahamas
with a fabulously wealthy dumb sexy blonde supermodel who thinks I'm the
greatest thing since sliced bread.
Actually, I'd like to be doing that now.


NEAREST RELATIVE ....7 miles

DO YOU CERTIFY THAT THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND COMPLETE TO THE BEST OF YOUR
KNOWLEDGE?: Oh yes, absolutely.

***Old People Rock

[theonetruewill]

WAL-MART APPLICATION

This is an actual job application that a 75 year old senior citizen
submitted to Wal-Mart in Arkansas.
They hired him because he was so funny.....

NAME: Kenneth Way (Grumpy Bastard)

SEX: Not lately, but I am looking for the right woman (or at least one
who will cooperate)

DESIRED POSITION: Company's President or Vice President. But
seriously, whatever's available. If I was in a position to be picky, I
wouldn't be applying here in the first place?

DESIRED SALARY: $185,000 a year plus stock options and a Michael Ovitz
style severance package. If that's not possible, make an offer and we
can haggle.

EDUCATION: Yes.

LAST POSITION HELD: Target for middle management hostility.

PREVIOUS SALARY: A lot less than I'm worth.

MOST NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENT: My incredible collection of stolen pens and
post-it notes.

REASON FOR LEAVING: It sucked.

HOURS AVAILABLE TO WORK: Any.

PREFERRED HOURS: 1:30-3:30 p.m. Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL SKILLS?: Yes, but they're better suited to a
more intimate environment.

MAY WE CONTACT YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER?: If I had one, would I be here?

DO YOU HAVE ANY PHYSICAL CONDITIONS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM LIFTING
UP TO 50 lbs.?: Of what?

DO YOU HAVE A CAR?: I think the more appropriate question here would be
"Do you have a car that runs?"

HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL AWARDS OR RECOGNITION?: I may already be
a winner of the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes, so they tell me.

DO YOU SMOKE?: On the job - no!
On my breaks - yes !

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE DOING IN FIVE YEARS?: Living in the Bahamas
with a fabulously wealthy dumb sexy blonde supermodel who thinks I'm the
greatest thing since sliced bread.
Actually, I'd like to be doing that now.


NEAREST RELATIVE ....7 miles

DO YOU CERTIFY THAT THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND COMPLETE TO THE BEST OF YOUR
KNOWLEDGE?: Oh yes, absolutely.

***Old People Rock

OK, that's brilliant!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[t_ski]

Hey I thought this thread died along with most of the old farts around here :ohwell:

[dwax]

yea im 27 and i feel old. work has worn me out which is pathetic cause ive only been doing it for 5 years haha. but yea, old is more like 70 now. i remember when i was young people were dieing off at 70. not so much now.


I have wrinkles that are older than 27 years.:laugh::laugh:

[pt]

what's a wrinkle?

[3991vhtes]

LOL, I'm sooo glad I'm not even close to being an old fart :laugh: I'm only 14 :)

[15th Warlock]

Well, I guess being 31 makes me member of the coolest club around :D

And yes, I feel old already just by saying my age :p

[Frogger]

Hey I thought this thread died along with most of the old farts around here :ohwell:
:twitch: NOT DEAD YET:D

[HookeyStreet]

WAL-MART APPLICATION

This is an actual job application that a 75 year old senior citizen
submitted to Wal-Mart in Arkansas.
They hired him because he was so funny.....

NAME: Kenneth Way (Grumpy Bastard)

SEX: Not lately, but I am looking for the right woman (or at least one
who will cooperate)

DESIRED POSITION: Company's President or Vice President. But
seriously, whatever's available. If I was in a position to be picky, I
wouldn't be applying here in the first place?

DESIRED SALARY: $185,000 a year plus stock options and a Michael Ovitz
style severance package. If that's not possible, make an offer and we
can haggle.

EDUCATION: Yes.

LAST POSITION HELD: Target for middle management hostility.

PREVIOUS SALARY: A lot less than I'm worth.

MOST NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENT: My incredible collection of stolen pens and
post-it notes.

REASON FOR LEAVING: It sucked.

HOURS AVAILABLE TO WORK: Any.

PREFERRED HOURS: 1:30-3:30 p.m. Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL SKILLS?: Yes, but they're better suited to a
more intimate environment.

MAY WE CONTACT YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER?: If I had one, would I be here?

DO YOU HAVE ANY PHYSICAL CONDITIONS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM LIFTING
UP TO 50 lbs.?: Of what?

DO YOU HAVE A CAR?: I think the more appropriate question here would be
"Do you have a car that runs?"

HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL AWARDS OR RECOGNITION?: I may already be
a winner of the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes, so they tell me.

DO YOU SMOKE?: On the job - no!
On my breaks - yes !

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE DOING IN FIVE YEARS?: Living in the Bahamas
with a fabulously wealthy dumb sexy blonde supermodel who thinks I'm the
greatest thing since sliced bread.
Actually, I'd like to be doing that now.


NEAREST RELATIVE ....7 miles

DO YOU CERTIFY THAT THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND COMPLETE TO THE BEST OF YOUR
KNOWLEDGE?: Oh yes, absolutely.

***Old People Rock

LOL, Ive seen that before, Im sure they actually gave him the job because of that application form :roll:

[Tatty_One]

Still breathing........just :eek:

[Namslas90]

The old timers will really enjoy this, as would any extreme gaming fanatic.
Stepped through a time portal today. I found a store near home, where they sell every Game consule and Game cartridge ever made, I walked in and was lost for about an hour. Just simply amazing how this guy collected every game consule ever heard of, and every game to go with it, and enough of each to fill a wherehouse full of them.

If you are looking for an old Game Consule or Cartridge take a look at this place (http://4jays.net/store/), just simply amazing, and the prices are not so bad either, as long as you don't need something really Rare.

:toast:

[panchoman]

whoa, nice find namslas!

hey... since when has there been an old farts club?

[Dr. Spankenstein]

ARRRGGGHH! Since before you was born, I reckon! Now scram, ya little punk!:nutkick:

I'm in! I'm 38 and lovin' it! I have to admit that "Youth is wasted on the young." But I have a small number of regrets only because I did listen to older people's advice.

Take that to the bank...

[panchoman]

i'll remember to send rejects from the teen club here :laugh:

[daboggeyman]

HEE HEE 54 and still gaming

[erocker]

I just got in from shoveling the heaviest, wettest, shittiest snow on earth! I'm 31... I feel like I'm 80. I healthy 80. Snow ->:nutkick:<- Me.

[Namslas90]

hey... since when has there been an old farts club?

Since Tigger69 established it on 03-15-2007, 05:53 PM

Youngins think they know it/have it all.....:laugh:

:toast:

[erocker]

I think if you can remember Jimmy Carter being President (or poorly being a President), you may be an Old Fart. I miss Ronald Reagan.

[erocker]

Old Farts Club -->:nutkick:<-- Teenager's of TPU Club
Old Farts Club --> :slap: <-- Teenager's of TPU Club

[tigger]

If you can remember the spice girls,your an old fart :laugh:

nice to see some posts in here again.

And panchoman,be off with ya ya young whipper snapper.;)

[daboggeyman]

I think if you can remember Jimmy Carter being President (or poorly being a President), you may be an Old Fart. I miss Ronald Reagan.

Miss Reagan for sure as well as Nixson

[Namslas90]

I think if you can remember Jimmy Carter being President (or poorly being a President), you may be an Old Fart. I miss Ronald Reagan.

?????????...I remember Ike...lol. :toast:

[Dr. Spankenstein]

Johnson was in office when I was born...

[AthlonX2]

hey now i can remember the spice girls does that mean im old?

[Namslas90]

hey now i can remember the spice girls does that mean im old?

Yes...Prunish old....lol:toast:

Not realy!

[imperialreign]

I think if you can remember Jimmy Carter being President (or poorly being a President), you may be an Old Fart. I miss Ronald Reagan.


I was born right after Carter, but I do remember Reagan's terms, and the Bush Sr - who could forget that.

The old timers will really enjoy this, as would any extreme gaming fanatic.
Stepped through a time portal today. I found a store near home, where they sell every Game consule and Game cartridge ever made, I walked in and was lost for about an hour. Just simply amazing how this guy collected every game consule ever heard of, and every game to go with it, and enough of each to fill a wherehouse full of them.

If you are looking for an old Game Consule or Cartridge take a look at this place, just simply amazing, and the prices are not so bad either, as long as you don't need something really Rare.



Where's the Neo-Geo console?!!! :wtf:

[Wile E]

I was born during Carter. And I also miss Reagan.

[AthlonX2]

i was born during reagans reign as dictator..i mean president

[erocker]

Lol, daddy Bush. A thousand points of light, whatever that meant. He reminded me of an evil preacher or something.

[imperialreign]

Bush Sr - slayer of the english language

Bush Jr - not even sure if he speak english . . .

[desadarius2002]

i guess im in at 35 also. anybody remember the old commodore 64. man i loved that thing. keyboard hooked to a 5.25 floppy. great games too.

[imperialreign]

Yeah, I remember the C64 - that's the PC I grew up with. I was gaming on that long before we ever had an NES or desktop PC. My father taught me how to program on a C64, too . . . writting out those long-ass DATA lines.

Remember: LOAD "*",8,1 ? :D

[Wile E]

Yeah, I remember the C64 - that's the PC I grew up with. I was gaming on that long before we ever had an NES or desktop PC. My father taught me how to program on a C64, too . . . writting out those long-ass DATA lines.

Remember: LOAD "*",8,1 ? :Dlol. Yeah. I didn't have floppy versions of some of my games, so I had to buy game books, that showed you all the code to program the games you wanted to play. Nothing like typing for an hour before you could play. lol.

[Namslas90]

Yeah, I remember the C64 - that's the PC I grew up with. I was gaming on that long before we ever had an NES or desktop PC. My father taught me how to program on a C64, too . . . writting out those long-ass DATA lines.

Remember: LOAD "*",8,1 ? :D

Check the link in post #161 this thread. :toast:

[imperialreign]

Check the link in post #161 this thread.

yeah, I saw that link. I didn't really poke around there too much, but I was shocked to see they didn't have the NEO-GEO console listed.

lol. Yeah. I didn't have floppy versions of some of my games, so I had to buy game books, that showed you all the code to program the games you wanted to play. Nothing like typing for an hour before you could play. lol.

Damn, man - writer's cramp before a keyboard only game! That had to've been rough!

[desadarius2002]

we need a banner to post in our sigs.

[Namslas90]

yeah, I saw that link. I didn't really poke around there too much, but I was shocked to see they didn't have the NEO-GEO console listed.



Damn, man - writer's cramp before a keyboard only game! That had to've been rough!

Neo-Geo is kinda new though(circa 1990). I'll be going back to the shop I'll have to ask him if he has any. The store has stuff on the shelf's thats not available online - things he only has a couple of. I'm intrested to see if he has one. I allready have a list of games to pick-up for freinds when I'm there next anyways.

:toast:

[Craigleberry]

Looks like I better come back in two years time I am too young for this club

[Wile E]

Neo-Geo is kinda new though(circa 1990). I'll be going back to the shop I'll have to ask him if he has any. The store has stuff on the shelf's thats not available online - things he only has a couple of. I'm intrested to see if he has one. I allready have a list of games to pick-up for freinds when I'm there next anyways.

:toast:NeoGeo rocked, but was priced way too high. I had the Turbo Grafix 16 at the time.

More 90's stuff, anybody remember 3DO's console?

[hat]

Wile E -- had one, loved it. I loved playing PE'OD. Flamethrower FTW!! And Shockwave. Shockwave pwnd.
I'm 15. :p

[Wile E]

Wile E -- had one, loved it. I loved playing PE'OD. Flamethrower FTW!! And Shockwave. Shockwave pwnd.
I'm 15. :p
lol. My buddy had one. It was a great console, but just like the NeoGeo, price killed it. It was $700 back then.

[Namslas90]

I had an Activision consule back in 1983, but can't find any info on it...I wish I had kept it but somebody offered me good money for it in 85, so I sold it.

The only Activision Consule I can find info on now is the Argintine Activision, and they know nothing about it.

But Here's (http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=2&c=1160) a good place to learn about old systems, and even add your own knowledge.

:toast:

[Wile E]

Was that an Intellivision, Nams? I had one.

[Namslas90]

Was that an Intellivision, Nams? I had one.

No, the Intelivision was brown, Mine was white(half the size), and came with an amazing (for the 80's) baseball game. I had also bought all the other games available for the consule - football, soccer, tennis, Olympics. I bought it at the Post Exchange In Hanau, Germany.

Have never seen another one.:toast:

[Widjaja]

I'm 27 but I keep getting hit on by 18year olds.:banghead:
Girls keep on guessing I'm a 20 year old at the most.:mad:
My girlfriend is 20 and that was the oldest I could get.:(

It's cool as she has money to burn.:D

[Grings]

I remember neo geo, never had one myself though, the games alone used to cost more than megadrive (genesis) or snes consoles.
one of my (rich/spoilt)friends had one though, iremember him paying £170 for art of fighting:eek:

[Tatty_One]

i was born during reagans reign as dictator..i mean president

Fook I vaguely remember the assasination of Kennedy :eek:

[tigger]

If any of you fellow oldies remember the amiga,check out the new speedball2 game,its pretty good.

[Hawk1]

I'm in at 35. I remember learning the following in computer science class:

GW Basic
WYSIWYG
Turbo Pascal
C
Fortran
Machine Language

I know nothing of those now.:(

Edit: Didn't know this club existed 'til a couple of days ago. Thanks Namslas for digging it up.

[tigger]

Welcome fellow old dodderer :p

[daboggeyman]

I had an Activision consule back in 1983, but can't find any info on it...I wish I had kept it but somebody offered me good money for it in 85, so I sold it.

The only Activision Consule I can find info on now is the Argintine Activision, and they know nothing about it.

But Here's (http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=2&c=1160) a good place to learn about old systems, and even add your own knowledge.

:toast:


Heres another good place to ;http://www.computerhistory.org
http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/?category=cmptr

[panchoman]

i'd like to apologize for this post of mine: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=557514&postcount=166

seriously.. just stick to the cialias and not pics of my gf :)

[ntdouglas]

I just discovered this thread also. I'm 43. Sign me up.:cry:

[Tatty_One]

I just discovered this thread also. I'm 43. Sign me up.:cry:

Bah.....kids everywhere!

[Frogger]

I just discovered this thread also. I'm 43. Sign me up.:cry:
Welcome Fart :slap: Just get a new pair of readin' specs :D

[daboggeyman]

I like forms and threads were the old guys rules. LOL

[panchoman]

I like forms and threads were the old guys rules. LOL

too bad this one is ruled by the teens MUHAHAHAHAHA

[intel igent]

too bad this one is ruled by the teens MUHAHAHAHAHA

not ruled by the "teens" they allow you entry priveleges.

BUT watchout! old men with canes/walkers are B!TCHY :laugh:

err i mean Grumpy...... :)

:toast:

[panchoman]

not ruled by the "teens" they allow you entry priveleges.

BUT watchout! old men with canes/walkers are B!TCHY :laugh:

err i mean Grumpy...... :)

:toast:

have had too much experience with that here *cough**cough* lol. some peeps in this club are great people though :)

[tigger]

Watch me,i'm a criminal.I post naughty stuff.:laugh:

And get infracterated.

I pwomise,i wont post no more naughty stuff anymore.I'll just have to be naughty with my gf.You young uns would'nt know what a gf is tho' :roll:

Its not just for peeing out of,i swear.

[mab1376]

Wile E -- had one, loved it. I loved playing PE'OD. Flamethrower FTW!! And Shockwave. Shockwave pwnd.
I'm 15. :p

PO'ED was this shit, never played it for anything but Playstation though., im 20 BTW

[Frogger]

not ruled by the "teens" they allow you entry priveleges.

BUT watchout! old men with canes/walkers are B!TCHY :laugh:

err i mean Grumpy...... :)

:toast:
:D

http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/32891/1436100796077297587S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1436100796077297587uAvfzt)

[Namslas90]

not ruled by the "teens" they allow you entry priveleges.

BUT watchout! old men with canes/walkers are B!TCHY :laugh:

err i mean Grumpy...... :)

:toast:

Old Farts with Gun's are DEADLY.

:toast:

[daboggeyman]

See if this helps explains ageing LOL . Warning its ugly


. http://www.toabase.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3726

[Hawk1]

See if this helps explains ageing LOL . Warning its ugly


. http://www.toabase.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3726

lol, well thats depressing!

[Widjaja]

See if this helps explains ageing LOL . Warning its ugly


. http://www.toabase.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3726


Oh!
Fark the one in the middle!!:cry:

From a more serious point of view though.
Guys have one up on females when we get older.
Some men do get better looking with age and alot of younger women find older men attractive.

When many women get older they loose thier looks and well. . . .thats it.:twitch:
It just gets harder for them.

No?

[Namslas90]

Oh!
Fark the one in the middle!!:cry:

From a more serious point of view though.
Guys have one up on females when we get older.
Some men do get better looking with age and alot of younger women find older men attractive.

When many women get older they loose thier looks and well. . . .thats it.:twitch:
It just gets harder for them.

No?

OK, but the women live longer...so I guess they win!!...:laugh:

:toast:

[daboggeyman]

Oh!
Fark the one in the middle!!:cry:

From a more serious point of view though.
Guys have one up on females when we get older.
Some men do get better looking with age and alot of younger women find older men attractive.

When many women get older they loose thier looks and well. . . .thats it.:twitch:
It just gets harder for them.

No?



LOL glad we arent females:nutkick:

[Widjaja]

OK, but the women live longer...so I guess they win!!...:laugh:

:toast:

Lol is that sarcasm I'm detecting?
I'd be happy not to look in the mirror and see my self pruning up.

Although I would want to own a mobility scooter and pimp it out.
Rip out that eletric motor and stick in a 2-stroke 250cc motor bike engine.
Carbon fibre exhaust, mags and some slicks and a handbrake.

I would want to be able to do burn outs in my mobility scooter.:rockout:

I also have this dream of putting on hydarulic suspension on one and getting an unwitting elderly man to ride it up beside some young women while I'm hidng somewhere near with the switches!:D

The oldman would be like WTF!!
Pimpin' it bouncing up and down looking like he's trying to impress the ladies. . . .hell yeah!:rockout:

[Namslas90]

Lol is that sarcasm I'm detecting?
I'd be happy not to look in the mirror and see my self pruning up.

Although I would want to own a mobility scooter and pimp it out.
Rip out that eletric motor and stick in a 2-stroke 250cc motor bike engine.
Carbon fibre exhaust, mags and some slicks and a handbrake.

I would want to be able to do burn outs in my mobility scooter.:rockout:

I also have this dream of putting on hydarulic suspension on one and getting an unwitting elderly man to ride it up beside some young women while I'm hidng somewhere near with the switches!:D

The oldman would be like WTF!!
Pimpin' it bouncing up and down looking like he's trying to impress the ladies. . . .hell yeah!:rockout:

:roll::roll::roll::toast:

[ShadowXP]

Old age and treachery beats youth and enthusiasm every time!

31, going for 32 in March :P

[Namslas90]

Old age and treachery beats youth and enthusiasm every time!

31, going for 32 in March :P

you're still a kid...lol :toast:

[Frogger]

Old age and treachery beats youth and enthusiasm every time!

:P

But he sure has the concept down :laugh:

[ShadowXP]

But he sure has the concept down :laugh:

I try to learn the examples set down by my elders :toast:

[daboggeyman]

Ya know we joke a lot about being or not being old farts but here a great story out of the gaming world that could be in our future some day, give it a look :D

http://toabase.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3802

[tigger]

I'm buying a wii for my old age now:laugh:

[daboggeyman]

Not a bad idea for us old gamers. LOL

[Widjaja]

Ya know we joke a lot about being or not being old farts but here a great story out of the gaming would that could be in our future some day, give it a look :D

http://toabase.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3802

I thought it was kind of dumb. I think it's for the young, really.
Barb Foley, 85

It's this immediate point of view which gets me.:mad:
The part I didn't include is the fact Barb actually plays it now.:D

There's a couple of guys who posted at 2K forums playing Bioshock and I think he's in his 60's.
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14839

There was a survey done a long time ago about the average age of gamers and it was actually 29, I think the age has gone up since then.

The majority of people who play and make custom content for Sims 2 are housewives in there 30's.

The gaming industry Rivals Film now and you can see why from the ages I have listed.

My bro is 40 and he's the one who brought me back into PC gaming.

[daboggeyman]

I dont know that age makes a diff any more I am 54 and most of my freinds range from 45 to 65, the oldest gamer among us is 62, we love FPS and flying sims mostly. But hey makes getting old a heck of a lot of fun.

[Widjaja]

Maturity!
Playing games is not mature! ra ra ra!
Says the old man in his rocking chair waiting to die with his whittling stick.

[daboggeyman]

Maturity!
Playing games is not mature! ra ra ra!
Says the old man in his rocking chair waiting to die with his whittling stick.


LOL who said ? I am taking my games with me when I go to the other side..:laugh:

[Widjaja]

An ignorant son of a b**ch who is only saying it because he doesn't want to make an arse out of himself learning to use a PC infront of younger people.

BTW goopd idea.
Never know they might only have religious titles if we go up.
You would probably be the character if in hell, getting stabbed shot and all the games are stuck on extra extra hard.

[daboggeyman]

You would probably be the character if in hell, getting stabbed shot and all the games are stuck on extra extra hard.

S**t never thought about that.:nutkick:

[finebldr]

Hi guys. Just joined, looking at Ati Tool threads. Thought I'd say hello to all you "old farts"....wonder what that makes me...........bought my first computer in Jan of 04, and have built 4 since then. Having a good time deciphering all the computerese (language) you use. Not keeping up, but having fun trying...........going on 61......11 grandkids..Please remember to type slowly for us "old farts"........thnx

[pt]

seems like you take the old fart crown :p
i think no one is here besides you has more than 60 years

[finebldr]

I'm kinda amazed there aren't more older farts here.....this type of activity is not too physically strenuous

[Widjaja]

With quite a few it's just plain ignorance.
"I can't learn this new technology!"
So I'm going to go back to my rocking chair out on the porch with my whittle stick and perv at the young ladies walking by.

But then again most my mate are in thier twenties who still don't know how to use a DVD player let alone a PC.

I hope there are more like you out there.
Break the cycle!

[finebldr]

I'm sorry to say that the young folks that do make an effort to "understand" new technology are definitely an exception to the rule............today.............New Zealand.....a place I'd like to visit...someday

[Widjaja]

I did say I have mates in thier twenties who din't have a clue with technology.
But these guys are very experienced rugby watching drunks.

If you like the thought of the greeness of New Zealand, stick to the South Island.
Lots of history down there.
We get alot of very wealthy American tourists coming over to hunt deer.

North is more modernized and don't go to Auckland especially South Auckland.
Only place I can recommend to go to in the North Island is Rotorua.
The smell there is unbelieveable.

[finebldr]

would like to be one of those "wealthy American hunters", but I spent my money on new puter parts......................still sounds like a beautiful place to visit

[Hawk1]

Do you guys think society is better off today than when you/we were growing up. Just a few things to comment on/ponder:

I remember when PC's and software were first gaining popularity among the public. Everyone started saying it would make work much easier and we would only need a 4 day work week and then the talk started about the "paperless society." Well 15+ years later, with technology "advancements" I not only cant work 4 days a week, with Wifi, and internet paid for at home by my Company, I get to work at home also. The "paperless" thing is a joke, as I can barely see my desk from all of it. Email was a wonderful thing, being able to communicate across continents. Unfortunately, I now get probably 100+ a day, and its mostly meaningless to me. Well, at least the gaming advancements over this period is a consolation.

On to kids these days. I think we are becoming a bunch of pansies when it comes to protecting our kids. Don't get me wrong, I have 2 young daughters myself, but I think certain things we are taking too far. For instance, I just heard on my local radio that they're considering Province (like a State for you Yanks) wide searching each kids lunch in school, for those who brown bag, for any food containing peanuts and eggs, too protect those who are alergic. They'll search lunches, but heaven forbid, they pass a law to search each student upon entry for any weapons - this would be a Rights violation! Yet we see all kinds of shootings in and around schools like never before. And heaven forbid if you want to punish your child with a good smack in the ass. Childrens aid will be on YOUR ass. I think the more we try to shelter/cater to our kids, and try to be a Nanny State, the more rebellious they will become.

Anyway, sorry for the long post (I could post quite a bit more, but you should get the gist). Just felt like getting it off my chest. I was thinking a new thread in General Non. section, but I figure its more for the old(er) timers.

:toast:

[finebldr]

Hawk, you are putting your lips (words) around a big one there. I do believe that mankind's' apathy and laziness has pushed himself into a place of irresponsibility. Our generation has been soooo busy making a living (with all this high tech stuff) that we have relegated the responsibility of raising our children, and replaced it with the responsibility to AMUSE them.

If the direction of this thread is not appropriate, please let us "old farts" know. We do not wish to be discourteous. thnx

[Namslas90]

I'm kinda amazed there aren't more older farts here.....this type of activity is not too physically strenuous

There are, some just don't like to admit it!. :toast:

[finebldr]

Namslas, I like your system specs

[daboggeyman]

If us Old farts arent welcome just say so, I know a place we are and they like old farts. Any takers?

[pt]

If us Old farts arent wel