The Universe "what do you think or know"?

[D007]

I was looking through the forum for any kind of thread dedicated to the universe in general.. I don't know about the rest of you but I find talking about the possible implications of newly found facts and hypothesis's to be very intriguiging.. I would like to dedicate this thread to discussing the universe in all it's splendor.. Black holes, super novas, space, stars, planets, physics, metaphysics, you name it, feel free to talk about it.. even if it's just a theory you have I'd love to hear it.. Every fact was once a theory after all.. I hope this is taken seriously, this topic means alot to me.. :toast:


Revision: I would like to revise this topic to include nature and evolution, things pertaining not only to the universe but to our planet as well.. as we have seen there are alot of interesting things going on here that are very much worth talking about, just no politics or religeon please.. thank you all for making this thread into something good.. :toast:

[D007]

I'll start it off ok.. Has anyone heard about the newer mars orbiter? this thing has such a high resolution they can see rocks the size of small beachballs at high tolerances.. they have actually mapped mars now topographically (shows actual land elevations) and landed two rovers on it that are moving around the planet collecting samples.. they have also found proof of water and water run offs meaning mars wether it had life or not was at one point able to sustain life.. interesting I thought.. well as far as I'm concerned there goes any theories anyone could say about the whole "there is no life out there" nonsense lol.. did you know for even hinting at something like this in the old days you would be burnt alive? crazy... now it's just common knowledge..

[DRDNA]

I have been following string theory and m theory and we are on the verge of alot of new discoveries !!!

[D007]

I have been following string theory and m theory and we are on the verge of alot of new discoveries !!!


see, I already learned something lol.. well i learned I have no idea what string theory is..lol.. but I'd love to know :)

but I can agree with one part definitely. we are on the verge of some very huge discoveries.. then again we as humanity always seem to be lol.. Seriously though.. we have learned more about the universe in the last 10 years then we ever had up until that date. We have almost figured out the origin of life from the way I see it.. we will soon know what it was that caused that first spark I think.. as soon as we know what dark matter is the road will be paved. ;)

[v-zero]

I have been following string theory and m theory and we are on the verge of alot of new discoveries !!!

Or alternatively, another dead end... As with with Newtonian mechanics, Einsteinian relativity, and the Bohr-Schrodinger-Einstein Quantum, it all gets usurped eventually.

A complete unified field theory? I'll believe it when I see it, all of it!

[DaMulta]

Static on TVs and Radios is the left overs from the Big Bang. Chew on that.

[D007]

Or alternatively, another dead end... As with with Newtonian mechanics, Einsteinian relativity, and the Bohr-Schrodinger-Einstein Quantum, it all gets usurped eventually.

A complete unified field theory? I'll believe it when I see it, all of it!

even Einstein made mistakes.. Einstein himself could not get past the idea that the universe was not a constant.. he would not even entertain the idea because it was so highly and generally accepted that it was constant.. but it's not.. he's only a man..

We will break the speed of light or figure out a way around it.. only a matter of time I think.. did you know theres likely a black hole at the center of every galaxy? I found it interesting anyway.. seems according to new information that galaxies were likely formed in large part by black holes.. once they became super massive black holes though they had so much force pushing the light and gasses away from it that it actually forced the galaxy around it to move out of it's reach.. this theory kind of contradicts it's self to me though.. I mean if it pushed it out of reach, why did it ever stop moving? and if it's still in it's reach why aren't we being sucked in? they say the balck hole in the center of our galaxy is dormant, but none the less, it's still there..

[D007]

Static on TVs and Radios is the left overs from the Big Bang. Chew on that.

I always wonder about that.. there is after all fairly uniform radiation patches throughout the universe.. almost a web like arrangement if you looked at it with equiptment capable of seeing the radiation.. they say that the seperation of that radiation "as it was once condenced" lead to the big bang.. but who knows.. they said as the radiation spread apart it pretty much caused a sort of friction leading to the big bang if I gather this correctly.... some of it however is being thrown at us from across the universe from what they call "hyper novas" a more recently found type of nova that ejects gamma radiation in huge jet streams from it's front and back.. looks pretty awsome.. these things form so rapidly and become so massive that they burn up all their resources in a fraction of the time a normal star does, a nova was once a star.. these things are hyper novas though.. they become so big in the stellar nursery "where stars and planets are born" that they implode and go super nova before they are even out of the steallar nursery.. meaning it is already self destructing as it is being conceived. when it does this in the stellar nursery all of the gamma radiation present in the stellar nursery is sucked in and ejected out in the large jet streams.. cool stuff.

[hat]

Black Holes do not lead to an infinate abyss. They do not have infinate mass. They are leftovers from extremely massive stars that explode in supwenovas. These objects are so dence that thier gravity can acutally pull objects into themselves, and the object's mass is added to the black hole.

Neutorn stars are "failed" black holes. They are incredibly dense objects, but not a dense and not strong enough to add objects to thier own mass.

Super novas are not explosions, but implosions. When a massive star dies, the core collapses and the whole thing implodes inwards, creating either black holes or supernovas.

Stars are objexts formed in large clouds of gas called nebulas. Gas inside the neubla forms into a large ball of gas. Once it gets large enough the "core" of the ball reaches critical mass and begins nuclear fusion. They then burn up all thier gases over thier billions of years of life, and, depending on thier size, will either just swell up and shrink back down until it is a big space rock, or have a super cool implosion that leaves another kind of space rock behind...

Planets are leftovers of stuff that got attracted to the star in development and got pulled togeather in large clumps of either rocky material or gas.

Light comes from stars. In fact, the stars are light. The star is a rather large constant energy given off by the chain reaction of the fusion of the star's gas. Basically an h-bomb that lasts for billions of years.

Everything was once compressed into a small ball of energy until it exploded. The explosion caused the stuff inside to spread out. The speading out created emptyness we call space, heh. The stuff inside formed into clums called galaxies.

Eh, ask me some more stuff

[v-zero]

Everything was once compressed into a small ball of energy until it exploded. The explosion caused the stuff inside to spread out. The speading out created emptyness we call space, heh. The stuff inside formed into clums called galaxies.

Don't say that as if it is fact... It's not!

Black holes are theoretical points in space with infinite density and hence time-warping gravity.

Neutron stars have enough mass to cause the collapse of solar systems, easily, a teaspoon of "neutron star" would have a mass far greater than the entire earth...

A Supernova is an explosion, followed by a dramatic implosion.

The process in stars is not that of an atomic bomb, be it Deuterium, Plutonium or Uranium based. An atomic bomb uses a form of Fission (the destruction of matter through the smashing/splitting of atoms) to release masses of energy. Stars, and newly designed nuclear reactors (currently unusable) use a process known as Fusion, wherein two atoms (Hydrogen in the case of our Sun) join, releasing far more energy than Fission, and forming a new atom of some sort (Helium in the case of our sun).

[D007]

Excellent, this is the kind of brain stimulation I was talking about.. hehe.. I wish I had more time to respond but I have a complete system in front of me to put together.

[kwchang007]

Black Holes do not lead to an infinate abyss. They do not have infinate mass. They are leftovers from extremely massive stars that explode in supwenovas. These objects are so dence that thier gravity can acutally pull objects into themselves, and the object's mass is added to the black hole.

Neutorn stars are "failed" black holes. They are incredibly dense objects, but not a dense and not strong enough to add objects to thier own mass.

Super novas are not explosions, but implosions. When a massive star dies, the core collapses and the whole thing implodes inwards, creating either black holes or supernovas.

Stars are objexts formed in large clouds of gas called nebulas. Gas inside the neubla forms into a large ball of gas. Once it gets large enough the "core" of the ball reaches critical mass and begins nuclear fusion. They then burn up all thier gases over thier billions of years of life, and, depending on thier size, will either just swell up and shrink back down until it is a big space rock, or have a super cool implosion that leaves another kind of space rock behind...

Planets are leftovers of stuff that got attracted to the star in development and got pulled togeather in large clumps of either rocky material or gas.

Light comes from stars. In fact, the stars are light. The star is a rather large constant energy given off by the chain reaction of the fusion of the star's gas. Basically an h-bomb that lasts for billions of years.

Everything was once compressed into a small ball of energy until it exploded. The explosion caused the stuff inside to spread out. The speading out created emptyness we call space, heh. The stuff inside formed into clums called galaxies.

Eh, ask me some more stuff

ahh, you beat me to explaining black holes :) anyone that is really interested in space, if you get nova, watch that, they run many interesting shows on the origions of space, black holes, string theory, mars' rovers, etc. not to mention nova in hdtv is amazing.

[wazzledoozle]

Nova is a really great place to learn about the extent of our knowledge of space.

[Protius]

What is the meaning of life, the universe, & everything?

[DRDNA]

What is the meaning of life, the universe, & everything?

Meaning dunno , reason though is to develop !

[kwchang007]

What is the meaning of life, the universe, & everything?

....i say just to have fun, but that's kinda how i look at life. maybe it's just a toy for some larger being? not like god type larger, but inteligent life, think of it as a living computer.....

[hat]

If so then I don't care :)

Well since the universe is always expanding, there has to be something outside of the universe to make room for the expansion. For you relegious types, maybe it's heaven?

[BXtreme]

Just-imo,
Universe-A big multi-dimensional body, maybe 10+ dimensions or near so..
As Universe has no shape, possiblility of many dimensions arises. Each dimension contains a certain number of galaxies. At this part i don't have more ideas.see this 5d cube:
http://www.math.mtu.edu/~trolson/tess5.gif
say, this 5d cube is a dimension cube. Another cube holds this cube.
Goin down, the five d cube hold a 3d cube, which contains our and nearby galaxies.

P.s-Just what I made up :p may/may not be true ;)

[kwchang007]

Just-imo,
Universe-A big multi-dimensional body, maybe 10+ dimensions or near so..
As Universe has no shape, possiblility of many dimensions arises. Each dimension contains a certain number of galaxies. At this part i don't have more ideas.see this 5d cube:
http://www.math.mtu.edu/~trolson/tess5.gif
say, this 5d cube is a dimension cube. Another cube holds this cube.
Goin down, the five d cube hold a 3d cube, which contains our and nearby galaxies.

P.s-Just what I made up :p may/may not be true ;)

wow is that confusing, but sounds like an interesting idea.

[BXtreme]

hmm, my idea seems to be related with this film : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123755/

[hat]

There are only four dimentions that I know of. Dealing with objects, length, width height. I dont know how time fits in as a dimention, but I'd like to know that AND how many dimensions there are/what they do

[BXtreme]

a question- what dimension does water have ?
The universe is sorta similar to this, i.e in shape a 5d cube holds the 3d cube which holds some water-like space. On it's any one side the place is having a space which feels like water. The planetory/star bodies are floating in it.

[pt]

this thread is making me: :confused:

[hat]

Water is a solid 3d object with an atomic structure that allows it to slip off of other solids. It has a definate mass and volume, no definate shape.

What is the 5th dimension?
What you speak of make me think I need to overclock my brain.
To my understanding, the universe is a 3d object, but not completely solid. Let's use my room for exapmle.

Let's say there is no gravity in my room and my monitor is a planet and my pc is a star. The monitor revolves around the pc because of it's massive gravity. Since there is no gravity in my room, the monitor is attracted to the pc because it is the nearest object capable of doing so without an object with stronger gravity near it. MY speakers revolve around the monitor because the pc isnt strong enough to pull them away and the monitor can hold them.

So there you have it, a solar system in my room. Pretending, of course, that my room is actually space with 0g and my pc is a star and my monitor is a planer with moons..

Here's how I explain seeing back in time with the hubble telescope:
We all know that light takes time to reach you. ie we see the sun as it was 8 minutes ago becuase it is so far away it takes light 8 minutes to reach us. Are we seeing backwards in time? No, we are just seeing old light. When we look back with the hubble, we are in fact looking in an area where stuff has happened billions of years ago and the light is just now reaching us.

[BXtreme]

cOol..but I was just telling that 'maybe' the universe is a big multi-barrel liquid container in which the space is just acting like water containing the bodies, nothing else ;) And as we haven't met aliens in 'real' person we can assume that they maybe living in another dimension.

[wazzledoozle]

I suggest you all watch this (http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php) to better understand what dimensions are. That video is based on the predictions of string theory, and is just an idea as to what the other dimensions are. I think it is highly probable, I had reached the same logical conclusion before seeing the video and it sums it up nicely.

[Namslas90]

What is the meaning of life, the universe, & everything?

That's easy;
LIFE IS, so long and thanks for all the fish!

[ex_reven]

the act of being sucked into a black hole is called "spaghettification"

[D007]

this thread is making me: :confused:

Lol good, let's keep them brain cells firing..:D nothing like some good old fashioned brain teasing to sharpen your mind.. I have to admit I see some intelligent people running around in here.. thats very reassuring to know :p .. I got one for ya though.. How do you feel about the theories that space is either expanding until it will eventually stretch it's self out so thin because it will move out faster and faster until it goes faster than light making life impossible? or do you believe in the big crush type theories? personall I think the universe is and will always be expanding.. I don't believe it will all just wind down that seems to simple to me, but I'm no physicist. But we do know one thing at least so far in all our space exploration.. there is life out there..


ps. I got my computer hooked up , my first build.. yay.. :D

[D007]

I suggest you all watch this (http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php) to better understand what dimensions are. That video is based on the predictions of string theory, and is just an idea as to what the other dimensions are. I think it is highly probable, I had reached the same logical conclusion before seeing the video and it sums it up nicely.


very interesting wazzle... I never really looked at it like this before but it makes sense..

[BXtreme]

ya, nice theory but we're still 3d ppl and will be 3d ppl forever then :( And no time travelling because of that :mad:
btw, ijmo If we go faster than light we'll be just travelling ToO much distance in short time but not 'time travelling' as we've seen in films...

[D007]

ya, nice theory but we're still 3d ppl and will be 3d ppl forever then :( And no time travelling because of that :mad:
btw, ijmo If we go faster than light we'll be just travelling ToO much distance in short time but not 'time travelling' as we've seen in films...

Likely, unless we evolve.. The way I see it, nature has a way of adapting with it's environment and the concerns of the people in it.. evolution just happens..

Did you know that when the black plague killed a third of the earths population in europe a certain number of people underwent a genetic mutation almost instantly in the relation of time.. There are now over a million americans who are descendants from european ancestors that are immune to aids.. call it crazy if you want, but I've seen the special on it.. and virtually no one even knows this..

there are people walking around that will completely not feel the effects of aids or the plauge because it was such a drastic change in the environment it forced the human body to evolve or die, and it chose to evolve..

if the universe is expanding i believe our bodies will know this and as light stretches us out further and further and the universe expands faster and faster ( if this is the case with the universe) I believe our bodies will simply systematically start to evolve into non-physical beings to cope with the lack of resources available for life and drastic changes in the envronment around it.. it's just what evolution does.. as long as the change isnt immediate I believe it's possible..

we as human beings are even different even in our races.. I'm not saying that to be racist.. but did you know african americans have an extra muscle in their calve? this is what evolution does.. it tailors you to your environment.. Life will always find a way if any way is possible..

I don't believe in dimensions to be honest.. I don't think we know what we're talking about with dimensions yet.. theres to many ifs involved for anyone to make a truly educated guess in my book.. think about the metaphysical and the spiritual. sorry but I can in no way say " i don't believe in ghosts" I have my reasons.. Every atom we are made of is constantly blinking in and out of existence but yet we always see ourselves.. So, where are we when we're not here? we're in another dimension beyond what we understand or choose to acknowledge I think.

We live in multiple dimensions simutaneously.. the physical and metaphysical, this is not a theory, that is fact.. nothing just disappears..lol.. this is something we have known for a very long time now but just simply do not understand.. If people were hung up less on all the wordly nonsense we would of evolved by now into something better from how I see it..

I'll bet you our lungs are getting stronger lol.. and our skin... it's only a matter of time until those lil what are they called? i dunno, those lil penguin like things that commit mass suicide cliff diving..lol.. only a matter of time they have wings from my point of view. the genetic code never forgets.. :pimp:

[D007]

What is the meaning of life, the universe, & everything?

I had to comment.. Honestly I don't think there is a "reason" it just is.. and we do what we do because it is what it is..lol.. we live, because we're supposed to.. we're not here to be happy, or to learn or to grow, we're just here. what we make of it, will be what it becomes.. Life as we know it is in our hands..

thats my take on the subject.. I do believe in a higher power " a god being" but not in a religeous sense.. But let's please not get into religeon in here.. it's to touchy, I ask humbly that no one breach the subject lol.. It always leads to arguments..

I just think we're riding the wave of time and anyday a tsunami could show us just how insignifigant we are.. we could all be gone tomorrow.

I wish we were doing more to move into other planets.. I mean whats it gonna take? do we have to be staring at an asteroid 10 times the size of our planet before we send people out to terraform? NASA needs more money and more developement.

[Taz100420]

Hitch Hikers guide to the galaxy lol

but honestly, we have been able to create a black hole in the labs, only for a couple micro seconds tho. Scientists are kinda scared to see if they can stabilize one for fearing the destruction of Earth. But if we did stabilize one, the fuel crisis in the future would be solved. I was reading on a site, cant remember the link but it was about a guy from the "future" most knows what I am talking about, if we got a black hole stabilized, we would have Fusion.

Scientists also think some black holes are actually "wormholes" to another galaxy, kinda like Stargate(TV show) Now if we could actually prove if these "wormholes" exist, send some sort of probe to check it out, when we invent interstellar travel, we would have a new galaxy to explore.

As for other planets that have life, I KNOW its possible. If another galaxy has a sun that is the same exact temp. all around in the sun as ours, more than likely the third rock from the sun WILL have life. But if a galaxy has a hotter sun, I think the further out the planet is, the greater the chances of life being present is higher but if a cooler sun, the closer the planet has the greater chances of life.


Just my little theories lol

[kwchang007]

Water is a solid 3d object with an atomic structure that allows it to slip off of other solids. It has a definate mass and volume, no definate shape.

What is the 5th dimension?
What you speak of make me think I need to overclock my brain.
To my understanding, the universe is a 3d object, but not completely solid. Let's use my room for exapmle.

Let's say there is no gravity in my room and my monitor is a planet and my pc is a star. The monitor revolves around the pc because of it's massive gravity. Since there is no gravity in my room, the monitor is attracted to the pc because it is the nearest object capable of doing so without an object with stronger gravity near it. MY speakers revolve around the monitor because the pc isnt strong enough to pull them away and the monitor can hold them.

So there you have it, a solar system in my room. Pretending, of course, that my room is actually space with 0g and my pc is a star and my monitor is a planer with moons..

Here's how I explain seeing back in time with the hubble telescope:
We all know that light takes time to reach you. ie we see the sun as it was 8 minutes ago becuase it is so far away it takes light 8 minutes to reach us. Are we seeing backwards in time? No, we are just seeing old light. When we look back with the hubble, we are in fact looking in an area where stuff has happened billions of years ago and the light is just now reaching us.

i like the whole computer explination of the solar systems and gravity. as far as the old light part, i have to imagine, are programs like seti practical? we may recieve a signal from space, but the problem is if it is a million year old signal it is very likely that civlization has dissapered. Just look at the earth right now, we have nuclear weapons, small pox sitting in frezers, global warming, and a whole lot of other stuff. If the civilization didn't wipe itself out than it is most likely that an asteroid crashed into it. Even if that didn't happen, if we recieve a signale from billions of years before us, the star that the planet revolves around may have exploded by now. I just think that seti is a waste of money now, but it isn't the government running it, so i have no say if it should be active or not.

[hat]

We are physically bound to this planet. We've beaten gravity, we've beaten atmospheric and cold temperature conditions, but until we learn to travel the speed of light without turning into energy, we are physically bound to this solar system. When the sun goes, we're screwed unless we do the above.

[Alcpone]

If you try and work the universe out and how massive it is and you try to comprehend all the thoughts you have, your head starts to hurt! Try it, its kinda fun :D

[kwchang007]

If you try and work the universe out and how massive it is and you try to comprehend all the thoughts you have, your head starts to hurt! Try it, its kinda fun :D

hahahaha i tried, and i gave up. i now accept the fact that im not smart enough to comprhend how big the universe is.

[hat]

I know how big the universe IS, but the question for me is where did the universe COME FROM. Don't say the big bang, cause that had to come from somewhere too.

[pt]

i created everything, now bow to me :respect:

[kwchang007]

I know how big the universe IS, but the question for me is where did the universe COME FROM. Don't say the big bang, cause that had to come from somewhere too.

that's the same question that i always ask myself

[D007]

lol Pt... and thats the issue pretty mcuh everyone has.. ok there was a big bang, what caused the big bang.. thats the only question left that needs an answer in regards to how we got started. sorry i havent been on here much. Im going nuking futz trying to configure raid in evga 680i sli... makin me crazy..lol..

[BXtreme]

a site for knowing what was b4 the big bang http://superstringtheory.com/cosmo/cosmo4.html

[D007]

Hitch Hikers guide to the galaxy lol

but honestly, we have been able to create a black hole in the labs, only for a couple micro seconds tho. Scientists are kinda scared to see if they can stabilize one for fearing the destruction of Earth. But if we did stabilize one, the fuel crisis in the future would be solved. I was reading on a site, cant remember the link but it was about a guy from the "future" most knows what I am talking about, if we got a black hole stabilized, we would have Fusion.

Scientists also think some black holes are actually "wormholes" to another galaxy, kinda like Stargate(TV show) Now if we could actually prove if these "wormholes" exist, send some sort of probe to check it out, when we invent interstellar travel, we would have a new galaxy to explore.

As for other planets that have life, I KNOW its possible. If another galaxy has a sun that is the same exact temp. all around in the sun as ours, more than likely the third rock from the sun WILL have life. But if a galaxy has a hotter sun, I think the further out the planet is, the greater the chances of life being present is higher but if a cooler sun, the closer the planet has the greater chances of life.


Just my little theories lol



lol if humans making a black hole doesnt scare the poop out of you then nothing will.. we will be our own destroyers.. watch..lol..

[D007]

hahahaha i tried, and i gave up. i now accept the fact that im not smart enough to comprhend how big the universe is.

it's not about being smart really, it's about just trying to open your eyes.. you could have an answer but not know how to word it but none the less it oculd be a very valid answer. chris columbus just had an idea, hey maybe the world isnt round.. nothing to extreme there, but look at the implications and the waves that caused in science.. all it takes it the right set of words to spark someones intuition and lead them off on a tangent that solves the energy crisis or breaks the speed of light.. just one good spark. ;)

[hat]

I want to know what is outside of the universe. If it is always expanding, it has to have some room to expand, and if the universe is everything, how can it have room to expand?

[hat]

Ah, I was reading that there is a great void outside. Our universe may be one of many universes, and our expanding universe may collide with another. If that happens, kiss your arse goodbye.

[kwchang007]

it's not about being smart really, it's about just trying to open your eyes.. you could have an answer but not know how to word it but none the less it oculd be a very valid answer. chris columbus just had an idea, hey maybe the world isnt round.. nothing to extreme there, but look at the implications and the waves that caused in science.. all it takes it the right set of words to spark someones intuition and lead them off on a tangent that solves the energy crisis or breaks the speed of light.. just one good spark. ;)

true true, just want to say that comlubus wasn't the first to know the world was round, the ancient Indians (India indians) knew it was round, wayy before 1000 AD i just forget what the date is, but i guess columbus either knew the right people or was a good public speaker.

[hat]

I guess the universe is round too, just like we cant get away from earth we cant get away from the universe either judging by wad's vid. We can't exit the universe and go on deeper because it is expacnding too fast for us to ever reach the edge

[D007]

Sorry I have been gone for a bit all.. I have my system up and running now with all the goodies installed and couldn't be happier.. took me a while to try to find out what was killing my download speed.. I was downloading at 100-200 kbs lmfao.. turns out bellsouth screwed something up.. now I'm running at 5000-6000.. much better.. hehe.. dsl 6.0 extreme baby :D.. I'l take pics and post it later this week..

so whats new.. hmmm... well did you hear that we have an ancestor in the prehistoric era that was not simply a rodent? yep, they found a hunter mammal.. the first known mammal that rewrote everything about the evolution of mammals.. it was small, only about 2 feet long but it was kind of dog like in form and with dog like teeth.. maybe an ancestor to a lion or dog type.. idk. but he wasn't just a hole hider.. he hunted and killed dinosaurs, mean little bastard from what they say.. they even found teeth in it's stomach lol.. every time to world acts like it knowsn something nature comes bacn and kicks it right int he arse with something new lol.. Idk if any of you hear, but also , and this is old news, just interesting... they found a dead fish, skin and all.. that was about 2 million years old that had just washed up on the shore dead.. meaning it had died recently.. not 2 million years ago like they though.. this thing looked like a pirahana from the meanes killer pirahan film ever.. you know how hollywood makes their teeth all huge and stuff.. it looked like an angler fish pretty much but it had teetch that were just plain old fashioned ruthless..

[Taz100420]

just image what is in the Mariana's Trench. Scientists dropped a steel ball tied to a steel cable for 2 two days in the trench for a couple miles and never hit bottom because they ran out of cable. That is REAL deep. Could be monstrous things down there that we cant even imagine.
I know the pressures are extreme down there but there is fish that live in the depths. No eyes but they are there.

[D007]

just image what is in the Mariana's Trench. Scientists dropped a steel ball tied to a steel cable for 2 two days in the trench for a couple miles and never hit bottom because they ran out of cable. That is REAL deep. Could be monstrous things down there that we cant even imagine.
I know the pressures are extreme down there but there is fish that live in the depths. No eyes but they are there.

wow 2 days and they ran out of cable lol.. holy poop.. you know there are alot of people who believe that aliens may not come from another planet but rather from inside our own planet.. strange theory but none the less with all the sights of ufo's flying into the water to never be seen again. you never know..

wow man.. 2 days... can u imagine how deep that must be.. do you know how much cable they let out in miles? that'd be cool to know.. and yea man.. all kind of stuff down there they thought could never live.. like I always say, if there is a way, life will find it..

I always hear skeptics saying things like "life cant live in situations like this or that" and then we find living things in thermal vents from volcanos underwater in extremely high temperatures and depths meaning they not only figured out to live in such high heat they figured out how to live in extreme pressure.. I try not to use the word can't.. for apparent reasons..lol..

[Taz100420]

Hmmmmm.... maybe the thermal vents are the aliens exhaust from their secret underground/underocean hideouts!:eek: lol
and the Mariana's trench is the garage door!


I know, I learned that in 10th grade science class lol stuff I can retain for years is amazing!
Just imagine a HUGE monster that is millions of years old rising to the surface! Id be scared shitless........

[D007]

lol.. It's a theory some people share.. I wouldn't doubt something is going on down there far beyond what we think though..

[hat]

new topic!
supernovas!

[wazzledoozle]

There are actually fringe Christian groups that believe "hell" is literally inside of earth. I came across some websites a long time ago, and it claimed that during some deep-sea drilling, they recorded what sounded like voices screaming. I didnt believe any of it, but its interesting what people will push to prop up their crazy, literal-bible interpretation ideas.

[Thermopylae_480]

I was under the impression that most of the modern conceptions of hell were inspired by Dante's Divine Comedy. Primarily the canticle "Inferno."

Never read the Bible myself though.

[hat]

Heh, what happens when the Earth is destroyed? What happens then?
And that acutally makes sense, hell being inside the Earth. The bible calls hell a "lake of fire", and people back then certianly wer'nt as technically as advanced as we are, so mayhaps yhey were seeing the magma inside Earth?

[kwchang007]

Heh, what happens when the Earth is destroyed? What happens then?
And that acutally makes sense, hell being inside the Earth. The bible calls hell a "lake of fire", and people back then certianly wer'nt as technically as advanced as we are, so mayhaps yhey were seeing the magma inside Earth?

I highly doubt that hell is in the earth, if there is such a thing as hell (im kind of agnostic). Even if there is, why would God decide to put it in the Earth? Why not some far away place, or why not like right next to heaven with a window that's looking into heaven. Hell is a punshiment for eternity, so what's a better punishment than looking into eternal happiness? just my thoughts on hell though

[Namslas90]

Heh, what happens when the Earth is destroyed? What happens then?
And that acutally makes sense, hell being inside the Earth. The bible calls hell a "lake of fire", and people back then certianly wer'nt as technically as advanced as we are, so mayhaps yhey were seeing the magma inside Earth?

If the Earth is destroyed you won't have to worry about it any more, or youself, for that matter!!

[kwchang007]

If the Earth is destroyed you won't have to worry about it any more, or youself, for that matter!!

hahaha, that's a good point.

[D007]

sorry ive been gone a bit.. im learning to overclock all my components.. very difficult lol.. i still don't have it down.. i wish there wa sa simple guide to overclocking my specs.. i looked all over for days for a guide to overclocking the evga 680i sli with an e6400 intel duo core and i cant find it.. everything is vauge .. says add here and there and see what ya get..lol. well ive learned alot and i got my core to 2.8 from 2.1 but thats nothing im getting 3 definitely. anywho lol. back on topic..

I am still trying to stay off the religeon topic but i will vaguely outline my belief.. i believe there is a god.. i am spiritual, but not religeous. I believe that offers me my own chance of making up my own mind based on what I can learn and not off of people who in general tend to be flawed.. no one is perfet, myself included :D...

as for hell being in earth, idk, i like to be open minded but it seems improbible to me for some reason. though I will keep an open mind about it, I agree with socrates like i always say.. the only thing i claim to know is that i know nothing.

supernovas.. ok..

well they are a basic building blocks in the circle of life so to speak..lol.. they create fusion due to friction after implosion so think about that, basic mass speeding up so fast it rubs together and becomes bright as a sun and fuses actually at a atomic level and creates a whole new element.. this is the way elements were formed throughout time and dispersed by the majority of asteroids and comets we see still today, their still carrying these same building blocks to every corener of the universe.. there is always a new life form coming into existence, just like there is always a child being born..

[Ketxxx]

Heres a fact for you: More is known about our moon than our own sea, kinda ironic huh?

[Ketxxx]

There are many theories, the theory of alternate dimensions has been explored, and if I remember correctly, turned out to (in theory) be very possible. I think the biggest question though is whats beyond space? Does it have an end? and if we are smack bang in the middle of space (not just a single galaxy) how long would it take to reach the end of space?

Food for thought: apparently a entire new galaxy has been discovered that defies every law of our own galaxy, making the impossible possible.

Wormholes: A space theory last I heard, but very interesting none the less, they are apparently tears in space that are shortcuts through space, though they are thought to be highly unstable.

Fact: If a black hole was to suck earth in, it would be compressed so much it would be no bigger than a pin head.

Fact: While terra was still forming an asteroid hit it and almost killed it dead. If this asteroid had not hit it terra would be about the size of jupiter (imagine that! :eek: ) and in this fact, I think the fate of terra has also been decided, the asteroid hit once, and its still out there, in space.. so its almost inevitable it will come by us again, and hit..

Fact: Around the time of the dinosuars, mars is thought to of been almost identical to terra.

Fact: Given the proper effort, mars could have an atmosphere capable of supporting human life in roughly 50 years. (i love the subject of terraforming mars)

Thats all thje space stuff i can remember after the first page..

[Namslas90]

Fact: While terra was still forming an asteroid hit it and almost killed it dead. If this asteroid had not hit it terra would be about the size of jupiter (imagine that! :eek: ) and in this fact, I think the fate of terra has also been decided, the asteroid hit once, and its still out there, in space.. so its almost inevitable it will come by us again, and hit...

That same strike created the pacific ocean and the moon. It is also responsible for breaking apart and creating the current continents!!

[Ketxxx]

As its so elegently ben put before "life will find a way" I think when the time is right, and nature deems it necessary, humans will naturally evolve to conqur disease. Very few people are aware of this fact, but just like some animals, humans also have the gene in our bodies to regenerate, and by regenerate I'm not talking small stuff, I'm talking lost limbs. The only reason we cant regenerate limbs at this stage is because that gene is dormant.. nature has selectively chosen to turn that gene off in us at this stage. I'm not sure HOW we as humans have this gene, but my theory is as ALL life originated from the water (hence at one stage we were all anphibians) this is where we have that gene from, just like we share 95% of our DNA with chimps, perhaps by some cruel joke of nature, we share 98% of our DNA with a banana of all things.. So yu could say all life, nomatter how insignificant, is intertwined with eachother, and regardless of what spin science wants to put on it, everything on the planet is related, even if only by the smallest percentage. Thats all for now, I'm sure i'll remember more. Theres much knowledge up in this brain o mine.

[Ketxxx]

More stuff:

Regarding "ghosts" they may not be what we currently interprit them to be, instead of them being "lost souls" they could, very arguably, be living humans, briefly passing into our dimension, and vice versa. Given we ourselves are not a constant and we constantly shift in and out of what we call "reality" this is very feasible.

The whole hell on earth thing seems rediculous to me, however, some think that the earth itself is a living contious, and mother nature itself is earth, so the "screams" that were heard may not of been hell.. but the screams of the planet where we are hurting it.

Now the aliens thing and UFOs diving into the sea never to be seen.. perhaps another spin to take on UFOs and Mariana's Trench, entertain if you will, the thought that UFOs are not aliens from another planet, but rather the guardians of terra, and should some supreme force threaten the very life of terra, they will defend all life on terra.

As for Mariana's Trench, it may, be the doorway to some kind of natural weapon which terra itself created to defend the planet, its really out there this one, but as said before "life will find a way" and with Mariana's Trench being so deep, its just possible.

[Ketxxx]

That same strike created the pacific ocean and the moon. It is also responsible for breaking apart and creating the current continents!!

I think your thinking of the meteor that hit and wiped out the dinos ;) the asteroid I'm talking about that hit terra was way before any kind of life, terra was nothing more than a giant smoldering hot ball of rock and magma.

[Namslas90]

It has been proven that crystalized granite can store and hold EMP. That means the human spirit can be contained inside Quartz. The proper conditions can release these "memories" and allow them to be "expierienced". Therefore GHOST could be real. Most ghost sighting are near granite/quartz; either in the construction of on top of it.

[Namslas90]

I think your thinking of the meteor that hit and wiped out the dinos ;) the asteroid I'm talking about that hit terra was way before any kind of life, terra was nothing more than a giant smoldering hot ball of rock and magma.

Lot's of debate about that still, as you can imagine it hard to read the past.

[Ketxxx]

Yeah, some people tend to think the dinos all turned into birds.. while I sont dismiss that, in fact I think its very possible, I dont think ALL dinos turned into birds, I think the meteor hit, wiped out a large population of the dinos, and the smaller dinos naturally evolved into birds

[Ketxxx]

It has been proven that crystalized granite can store and hold EMP. That means the human spirit can be contained inside Quartz. The proper conditions can release these "memories" and allow them to be "expierienced". Therefore GHOST could be real. Most ghost sighting are near granite/quartz; either in the construction of on top of it.

Interesting, didnt know that. I certainly wont discredit ghosts.. in fact ive had my own encounters.. more than once, of things I cant logically explain.. and its hard to explain, but not so llong ago, I'm relatively sure *something* was attacking me when I slept, there would be times I would abruptly wake (even at normal hours - 9am) and once not only could I not lift a single limb of my own body.. I almost fell right back into sleep, though the abrupt waking had left me wide awake, and something just gave me that feeling that if I gave in, I either wasnt going to wake up again or I'd never be myself again..

[Namslas90]

Interesting, didnt know that. I certainly wont discredit ghosts.. in fact ive had my own encounters.. more than once, of things I cant logically explain.. and its hard to explain, but not so llong ago, I'm relatively sure *something* was attacking me when I slept, there would be times I would abruptly wake (even at normal hours - 9am) and once not only could I not lift a single limb of my own body.. I almost fell right back into sleep, though the abrupt waking had left me wide awake, and something just gave me that feeling that if I gave in, I either wasnt going to wake up again or I'd never be myself again..

Intresting-As long as you never recieved physical proof of these attacks - If no marks, cuts, scrapes, bruises, redness on youself - it was not a potergiest. If no physical proof it was your own mind - I know that sounds weird, but it's not the first time that type of thing has been reported/recorded. Earlier you said we know more about the moon than the ocean - well, we know more about the ocean than we do the human brain. If you have had these expierences you say than you are probably capable of many types of ESP, Etc. Ever wished something to happen and it did,(no-NOT pary hotter stuff)? I once wished my best freinds husband would get sick and die( i starred at his side for hours while wishing), he almost did(He used to beat her). Cause, mis-diagnosed apedicitis. WTF??!!

[Ketxxx]

Well, I dont know if this counts, but I've had dreams of doing things in the future, I obviously havent remembered them when I've woken up, but as that particular point in life has come very close to me carrying it out, I've then suddenly remembered the dream I had, down to the last detail. If it makes a difference, as a child I survived two occasions I should of died. As a result I now wear my starsign, and have continued to do so for about 14 years now.

[Namslas90]

Well, I dont know if this counts, but I've had dreams of doing things in the future, I obviously havent remembered them when I've woken up, but as that particular point in life has come very close to me carrying it out, I've then suddenly remembered the dream I had, down to the last detail.

Start keeping a journal by your bed with pencil. Train your brain to wake up when you have an expierence.. Then write it down. Read it back to yourself before going back to sleep. When you first awake in the morning, grab the journal and write everything you can remember. One a week read the pages from that week, you will be suprised. I dreamed(predicted) going to war in Iraq back in 1986 and even told over 30 of my fellow soldiers about it and told them wich ones would go, not go, who would get injured and how and who would come home unscathed!! It all happened exactly as I had told them including what combat patch/awards they would recieve. Talk about freaky!!

[Ketxxx]

Damn, thats crazy stuff. It could explain why my mind can never stop thinking as well, nomatter how I try, theres always almost an infinate number of things in my mind I will jump to and think of - kinda like CPU multitasking, only on a way huger scale.

[Taz100420]

I have had the same deja-vu as Ketxxx. The one I remember clearly to this day is in third grade I dreamt that I would get a detention and a couple more of my friends would too. So I told my friends that would get one when I did and at the end of the day, they all hated me because they thought I told on them to get their detention, in all reality I had no clue as to what they have done. All I known as they got a detention with me. I couldnt tell them "yea I had a dream that I seen whats gonna happen today" Id be the crazy one in elementary school.

[Batou1986]

i get the feeling of deja-vu way to much maybe its all the weed but i doubt it as it happens usually when im not stoned

[Batou1986]

There are actually fringe Christian groups that believe "hell" is literally inside of earth. I came across some websites a long time ago, and it claimed that during some deep-sea drilling, they recorded what sounded like voices screaming. I didn't believe any of it, but its interesting what people will push to prop up their crazy, literal-bible interpretation ideas.

hmm high strength metals drilling through some of the hardest rock on earth wonder where that screaming sound came from apparently these people are either retarded or well... retarded \:wtf:

amazing how our Tungsten carbide bits at work make the same sound when tapping out / cuting new dies outa high tensile strength steel blocks

Lamo i Forge these
http://www.victoryracingplate.com/images/Solid_heel_frontBlk.jpg

[D007]

Heres a fact for you: More is known about our moon than our own sea, kinda ironic huh?

that is kinda weird... lol just like man to try to learn something new before he even figures out how to make what he has work.. like windows for example..lol.. you even notice we have all this technology but like none of it is 100% reliable? why do we always make junk? lol.. I mean it'd be nice if anyone could look back and say "hey this thing worked forever and never broke down" about just one thing.. but good luck with that..lol..

[D007]

As its so elegently ben put before "life will find a way" I think when the time is right, and nature deems it necessary, humans will naturally evolve to conqur disease. Very few people are aware of this fact, but just like some animals, humans also have the gene in our bodies to regenerate, and by regenerate I'm not talking small stuff, I'm talking lost limbs. The only reason we cant regenerate limbs at this stage is because that gene is dormant.. nature has selectively chosen to turn that gene off in us at this stage. I'm not sure HOW we as humans have this gene, but my theory is as ALL life originated from the water (hence at one stage we were all anphibians) this is where we have that gene from, just like we share 95% of our DNA with chimps, perhaps by some cruel joke of nature, we share 98% of our DNA with a banana of all things.. So yu could say all life, nomatter how insignificant, is intertwined with eachother, and regardless of what spin science wants to put on it, everything on the planet is related, even if only by the smallest percentage. Thats all for now, I'm sure i'll remember more. Theres much knowledge up in this brain o mine.


i have a theory about genetic selection and evolution.. makes sense to me anyway.. things that evolve don't know or think about evolving, they just evolve based on their day to day lives and needs.. well we as people have created things to suit those needs, therefore negating the need for those things and negating the need for our genes to kick in and evolve in a way that might of actually been able to do those things for us.. such as prosthesis.. why do people need to regenerate if they "subconsciously know" they can always do something about it.. evolution i think only happens when they genetic strain says "oh crap, we need to fix this because it's not working" but if you always know "i lost an arm, but i can buy one or something at least to help" that's all it takes for the genetic selection to move on and decide to try to evolve some other area. I'm sure it takes alot of work for genese to actualy evolve into something worth while so I don't see them wasting time on things they don't see as optimal and necessary.. the more we build things to ssuit our laziness the more we will gimp our evolution, the less we cliff dive, the less the odds we will evolve wings.. just things I believe.. ;)

[D007]

Damn, thats crazy stuff. It could explain why my mind can never stop thinking as well, nomatter how I try, theres always almost an infinate number of things in my mind I will jump to and think of - kinda like CPU multitasking, only on a way huger scale.

i think my mind works more like an old chevy pickup truck..lol.. it takes a bit to get going but once it builds momentum, look out, cause theres no stopping it..lol..

[Ketxxx]

i have a theory about genetic selection and evolution.. makes sense to me anyway.. things that evolve don't know or think about evolving, they just evolve based on their day to day lives and needs.. well we as people have created things to suit those needs, therefore negating the need for those things and negating the need for our genes to kick in and evolve in a way that might of actually been able to do those things for us.. such as prosthesis.. why do people need to regenerate if they "subconsciously know" they can always do something about it.. evolution i think only happens when they genetic strain says "oh crap, we need to fix this because it's not working" but if you always know "i lost an arm, but i can buy one or something at least to help" that's all it takes for the genetic selection to move on and decide to try to evolve some other area. I'm sure it takes alot of work for genese to actualy evolve into something worth while so I don't see them wasting time on things they don't see as optimal and necessary.. the more we build things to ssuit our laziness the more we will gimp our evolution, the less we cliff dive, the less the odds we will evolve wings.. just things I believe.. ;)

Its one way to look at it. Another is nature selectively turned that gene off to deliberately make us vulnerable. Imagine how hard it would actually be to kill us if our limbs regenerated? IMO its natures way of keeping the human population under some form of control.

[D007]

Its one way to look at it. Another is nature selectively turned that gene off to deliberately make us vulnerable. Imagine how hard it would actually be to kill us if our limbs regenerated? IMO its natures way of keeping the human population under some form of control.


ahh, well said.. but on the same note: given unlimited bounds, nature has tended to step outside the realm of safe, very often...lol.. look at dinosaurs. :D. I find nature at best to be chaotic lol..

[Ketxxx]

nature isnt chaotic, its the species it creates that are.

[D007]

nature isnt chaotic, its the species it creates that are.


Exactly..lol.. :toast:

but who knows.. I mean what is chaos really? is it global war? yes in a sense? is it a hurricane or a black hole? yes in a sense.. it just depends on how u look at it i suppose.. i understand what you mean though.. nature has a formula that it obides by... and I agree.. but sometimes it screws up to in the choices it makes, which is why some species are extinct. and then again some species flourish.. a genetic roll of the dice as i see it.. you could be born a super model. or be born butt ugly..lol.. you could have esp and see ghosts or something along those lines.. or not..lol.. thats why i find it chaotic.. but it's a formed chaos in a sense.. it always makes things that work.. just sometimes not so well and sometimes too well..

[Ketxxx]

Chaos is everything. Natural selection is a process, survival f the fittest if you will. Dinosaurs were an evolutionary deadend, meteor or evolving into birds, nature saw the species had no future prospects, and elected to wipe them out and try a different approach, that approach was us. The question to ponder now is what are us humans? are we good for the planet, or bad?

[D007]

Chaos is everything. Natural selection is a process, survival f the fittest if you will. Dinosaurs were an evolutionary deadend, meteor or evolving into birds, nature saw the species had no future prospects, and elected to wipe them out and try a different approach, that approach was us. The question to ponder now is what are us humans? are we good for the planet, or bad?

no question there.. Honestly if you look at us I think the agent in the matrix said it best.. theres something else that moves around devouring all the resources in an area stripping it empty then moving on leaving it behind.. a virus.. we are like a virus to this planet.. we could change that, but we haven't.. we still pollute the hell out of it and drain everything we can get our hands on just because it's shiny or something equally retarded.. and we wonder why huge sink holes just pop up..lol.. maybe there were mining caves under some of them? who knows.. We could completely care for this planet like perfect baby sitters, but we don't.. we invite all our friends over and leave beer bottles all over the place..lo..

Dinosaurs i think didn't get naturally selected.. i just think "sh*t happens" lol.. they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.. just like we could be or any other species on any planet could be at this very second. just rocks floating in space looking for something to run into.. straight chaos..lol.. natural selection to me would be if they had simply gone extinct without any outside influence other than the natural order of this planet.. I mean saying a comet is natural selection is tantamount to saying a nuclear warhead is natural selection the way I see it lol.. if the rock never hit earth they'd still own it more than likely.. or their Co2 outputs might of forced global warming lol.. who knows.. :twitch: :D

human beings i think or more dangerous than nature.. I only mean that eventually nature will pretty much be unable to even affect our lives if we make it off this planet. if we reach that technological level we will know an asteroid is coming and leave well in advance.. we can due to our conscious though evade nature. just like we create cures for diseases nature has made to wipe us out.. we will always fight nature, which is something nothing else can do with their intelligence alone. I feel we are the sole greatest danger to ourselves in this known universe.. pretty soon nature wont control us, we will control it.. sounds crazy but we have guys forming unstable black holes in lab experiments.. yea fun..lol..

well I know how I'm dieing now..lol.. just like humans to try to open pandoras box before looking at it long enough. just like the nuke that could of caused a chain reaction destroying the universe, but they still set it of.. why? because someone made us mad..lol.. imagine that.. "UNIVERSAL HEADLINES READ!!" (Humans destroy universe cause the chinese made them mad) lol.. thats why I feel we are a worse danger to ourselves than anything.

[Ketxxx]

There are many things more dangerous than humans that exist, we just dont understand them yet. Regardless of if dinosaurs got wiped out or not, humans were already around when they were, we survived, they didnt. Worst case scenario we would of still continued to evolve, until we got to a technological stage of being able to control or selectively destroy the dinosaurs. It all comes back to the infamous statment "life will find a way"

[D007]

There are many things more dangerous than humans that exist, we just dont understand them yet. Regardless of if dinosaurs got wiped out or not, humans were already around when they were, we survived, they didnt. Worst case scenario we would of still continued to evolve, until we got to a technological stage of being able to control or selectively destroy the dinosaurs. It all comes back to the infamous statment "life will find a way"

lol thats why i said "the known universe" oh believe me i acknowledge we are not the worst in the universe by far I bet.. but from what we know of.. I'd have to say we are..lol.. at least the universe tells you what it's about to do.. a man can just kill ya..lol. no questions, no comments no nothing, just hey im alive aww poop im dead..lol..

I agree mammals had something dinosaurs never had and never would have based off their basic genetic code.. they were just simply underdeveloped in the areas that nature would of wanted to continue. i agree at some point mammals would of just risen up and destroyed them once they were able to.. and they would of done it in a way the dinosaurs were just way to stupid to deal with.

but on the same note.. dinosaurs would of continued to evolve as well and i can't honestly say what the genetic code is capable off. i mean they could of turned into some bad mamma jammas...lol.

[Ketxxx]

From what I've seen, many dinosaur species were already as advanced as they were going to be, one particular dinosaur that would of given us trouble though would of undoubtedly been the velociraptor, intelligent, fast, and strong with a complex social order and fully capable of executing rather complex tactics, diversions, sneak attacks, etc.

[D007]

From what I've seen, many dinosaur species were already as advanced as they were going to be, one particular dinosaur that would of given us trouble though would of undoubtedly been the velociraptor, intelligent, fast, and strong with a complex social order and fully capable of executing rather complex tactics, diversions, sneak attacks, etc.

oh boy..lol.. just thinkin about running into a raptor gives me chills lol.. those were some stone cold killers right there.. yea they had some serious capabilities that I wouldn't want to run into even now.. with a gun.. lol.

[Zero Cool]

If so then I don't care :)

Well since the universe is always expanding, there has to be something outside of the universe to make room for the expansion. For you relegious types, maybe it's heaven?

We're taking over heaven then!!:laugh:


I red that if you go in one straight direction into space, you'll come back from the other side...

Scientists say the universe is like an 8 (but the middle does not cross, one is higher)

[Jenesis]

I red that if you go in one straight direction into space, you'll come back from the other side...

Scientists say the universe is like an 8 (but the middle does not cross, one is higher)

There are a few theories (three main ones) about the Universe's expansion - it all depends on the density of matter in the Universe. There is a critical density; at which the Universe (called "flat") will expand at a slower and slower rate and get colder and colder, but never actually stop expanding (although I don't know if the slowdown is exponential or not). If the actual matter density is more than the critical density, the Universe will eventually collapse in the Big Crunch (the "closed" Universe); if it is less than the critical density, the Universe is "open" and will keep expanding, like the flat universe model but with a different rate of expansion and cooling.

And yes, I am doing a degree in Space Physics :D

Edit: Oops, forgot to reply to post I quoted! There are (as usual) a few theories knocking about regarding the shape of the Universe, the figure-of-8 is one I've seen, along with a similar one that looks like a bow. I like Homer Simpson's doughnut-shaped theory too ;)

[Alcpone]

Interesting read jenesis ;)

I was amazed when I heard about the huge chunks of iron hurteling through the universe and these chunks are wider than our solar system and I cant remember how long, but thats alot of iron! :twitch:

[Jenesis]

Well iron is the most stable element in the Universe, according to the nuclear mass/binding energy data, although not the most abundant ;)

Certainly seems like it when you picture solar-system sized meteors though!

[D007]

There are a few theories (three main ones) about the Universe's expansion - it all depends on the density of matter in the Universe. There is a critical density; at which the Universe (called "flat") will expand at a slower and slower rate and get colder and colder, but never actually stop expanding (although I don't know if the slowdown is exponential or not). If the actual matter density is more than the critical density, the Universe will eventually collapse in the Big Crunch (the "closed" Universe); if it is less than the critical density, the Universe is "open" and will keep expanding, like the flat universe model but with a different rate of expansion and cooling.

And yes, I am doing a degree in Space Physics :D

Edit: Oops, forgot to reply to post I quoted! There are (as usual) a few theories knocking about regarding the shape of the Universe, the figure-of-8 is one I've seen, along with a similar one that looks like a bow. I like Homer Simpson's doughnut-shaped theory too ;)




MMMMM, donuttsssss.. guuguguguugugugugugu :D ... lol..

interesting prospects I see have derived..lol.. nice nice.. sorry again to have been gone for a bit there but I have been oc'n my set up and man it's screaming like a banshee looking the ghost busters in the face.. hehe.. got a 3D mark 06 score of 10374.. not to shabby aye :D..

I can't seem to allow myself to be convinced the universe will either collapse or expand to the point it speeds up so fast everything falls apart and basically poofs out of existence.. both theories just don't feel right to me for some reason.. it just doesnt seem fair..lol.. i mean in both theories we all die horribly..lol.. no? none of this stuff will happen overnight.. imagine how it would feel to start beginning to feel every molecule of your physical being start to tear it's self apart so slow you would basically fall apart.. but since it would spped up soooo slowly you would live lifetimes apon lifetimes before it would actually make things so unstable life was impossible.. that threshold just before everthing simply falls apart.. I just hope nature has a better plan thatn to rip us apart atom by atom lol.. and even if it does the mass left behind will still be mass and will have gravity and should attract it's self again.. maybe the unoverse is just like zion..it has been destroyed many times and stabilises then reforms.. mass can not just disappear.. it can condense, but even then it just gives more rise to gravity forcing things to attract again. personally i think space is constant.. it started builing at a certain rate and unless acted apon by an outside force it should continue on the same rate.. but what can affect something from outside where there is nothing? which makes me think it should stay constant.. i cant ignore reports though that it is said the universe is apparently speeding up if anything.. but then again, theres always theories like this that get disproven all the time.. i don't think we're ready to make a real judgement on the univewrse by any means.. especially how it will end.. we cant even get to the next galaxy and we're shooting for the end of the universe lol.. just like humanity to try to figure out the end before the begining.. always looking for the shortcut..lol.. reminds me of how we build all kinds of high end technological things, but none work..lol.. i guess it's a strong point as well as a weak point.. makes us always push our boundaries. but we tend to overlook what information we already have in favor of getting new information.. i wouldn't be the least bit suprised if the answer was right there inside the data we already have but people are so busy trying to get more data that their just simply not looking hard enough at what we have now..

ps: strange how iron isn't the most abundant... seeing as it has such an easy tendency to form.. why would something that has less tendency to form have more mass in the universe? unless it formed 1st? what could be more common that iron? lemme guess.. carbon? which of course would be needed anyway to form iron in the building steps anyway if i recall correctly...lol..

[Jenesis]

Like most things to do with the Universe at large, the sheer time and distance scales are so large as to be meaningless to humanity. Our Sun will have gone red giant and destroyed the Earth (20 billion years from now, if we don't destroy the Earth ourselves first) - long, long before the Universe even thinks about ending.

As to the "cyclic" theory, yes that is an accepted theory :) Some cosmologists think that there have been many Big Bangs, and many Universes, and we're in this one because it's the one that lets us live in it (with the correct values for the gravitational constant and so on).

The most common element in the Universe is hydrogen, because it is the most simple. Although iron is technically more stable, hydrogen is simple, and nature likes simple things. :D Metals didn't form for (relatively) ages after the Big Bang - hydrogen and helium were first, kicking off the fusion reactions now found in the hearts of stars, to form the heavier elements.

[D007]

Like most things to do with the Universe at large, the sheer time and distance scales are so large as to be meaningless to humanity. Our Sun will have gone red giant and destroyed the Earth (20 billion years from now, if we don't destroy the Earth ourselves first) - long, long before the Universe even thinks about ending.

As to the "cyclic" theory, yes that is an accepted theory :) Some cosmologists think that there have been many Big Bangs, and many Universes, and we're in this one because it's the one that lets us live in it (with the correct values for the gravitational constant and so on).

The most common element in the Universe is hydrogen, because it is the most simple. Although iron is technically more stable, hydrogen is simple, and nature likes simple things. :D Metals didn't form for (relatively) ages after the Big Bang - hydrogen and helium were first, kicking off the fusion reactions now found in the hearts of stars, to form the heavier elements.


dangit lol.. I had even written hydrogen in first and i erased it because i thought "nah, carbon is so plentiful, it has to be carbon" darnit , should of gone with my gut instinct..:slap:

I'm not really working with any physics degree, just my own gathered knowledge, so you have me at an advantage lol.. but I learned how to build, format and oc a computer in 2 weeks..lol thats gotta count from something..lol.. now if i could just get the universe to not crunch or poof..lol.. ok thats my next mission.. hehe.. so, can i teach myself how to save the universe in 2 weeks? i think not.. but it sounded good...lol.. :pimp:

Regardless I believe life will find a way to expand even in a dieing universe.. odds are we will evolve into metaphysical beings to require less energy as space stretches out, thinning out the mass of everything. of course we could just all die..lol.. just doesn't seem right to me though.. not fair..lol.. nothing so awsome should die with such a whimper.. i just don't see it happening. when I try to visualise this space stretching out theory until it just dissapates into nothing i see a ripple in the water.. once the ripple is made it goes.. but i've never seen one speed up.. theres just to many things that don't make enough sense to make a truly educated guess from how i see it. even enistein messed up with it. although one explosion never has just one shock wave, theres typically a pulsating effect from what i see and follow up waves.. but this is of course not in a vacumn.. im not exactly to sure how explosions radiate in a vacumn. i know how comets impact in a vacumn and they have more than one shock as well. speed could build exponentially though i suppose due to those first shocks forcing the front of the universe waya faster and faster as the after shocks push it out more and more adding to it's momentum.. in that I could see how the end of the universe is expanding faster.. and whats to stop the ends of the universe from expanding? if theres constantly explosions from inside it, i suppose it only makes sense that it will push the boundaries faster and faster... unless something from the outside acts apon it to slow it down.. unless the outside force acts like an atmosphere of sorts for the universe, effectively containing us all in one big bubble.. could be seeing as everything that hass mass has gravity.. maybe the compounded forces of all the mass in hte universe will keep tugging at the ends of the universe stabilising it.. then again that same mass may make that gravity force the walls to move back in lol.. dangit..lol.. I see now why there are so many dilemmas.. eesh..lol.. theres just all kinds of negative and positive forces at work here.. it could completely equalise it's self..lol..

ps: I pose a question.. what is necessary to create a vacumn? wouldn't it take a force from outside it's realms to create it? I mean a vacumn cant just be a vacumn in infinity can it? Most things I picture in a vacumn environment are contained by something. i'd say the odds are we are as well but of course idk..

[wazzledoozle]

People tend to look at the way the universe works as chaos, but because of the sheer scale of everything; that can only be a result of the perspective. I like to think of the universe as the grand formula, encompassing all possible values of existence across the scale of time.

Thinking about how everything works makes me feel like im trying to pass a mental kidney stone, there is some element above the concept of an all-encompassing universe that I just cant grasp. Its there, but I cant bring it into any perspective. Does anyone else get this feeling?

There has to be something more... and it frustrates the hell out of me that I cant grasp it... I'm worried that I may never find out if we are truly mortal.

/mind fart

[Alcpone]

People tend to look at the way the universe works as chaos, but because of the sheer scale of everything; that can only be a result of the perspective. I like to think of the universe as the grand formula, encompassing all possible values of existence across the scale of time.

Thinking about how everything works makes me feel like im trying to pass a mental kidney stone, there is some element above the concept of an all-encompassing universe that I just cant grasp. Its there, but I cant bring it into any perspective. Does anyone else get this feeling?

There has to be something more... and it frustrates the hell out of me that I cant grasp it... I'm worried that I may never find out if we are truly mortal.

/mind fart

Thats exactly the way my head feels when I try and comprehend the enormity of it all, the universe in my way of thinking has to be expanding into something and as for the big bang coming from a finite point is just too hard to understand, it had to be in something to start with! imo :twitch:

[kwchang007]

Thats exactly the way my head feels when I try and comprehend the enormity of it all, the universe in my way of thinking has to be expanding into something and as for the big bang coming from a finite point is just too hard to understand, it had to be in something to start with! imo :twitch:

yeah, same with me. it's just too much to think about, espically the start, where'd the big bang come from...etc

[wazzledoozle]

It cant be as simple as "exploding from nothing". Whatever encompasses what we know as the "universe" is probably just completely beyond different, we cant even begin imagine what it is like. And saying "what it is like" probably isnt even accurate for describing the awesome difference that it has from our universe.

[mullered07]

ever see men in black ? the galaxy on orions belt? i think our unsiverse could be like that, if you had the power to takje a single atom or molecule (one or the other ) and magnify it billions of times, maybe there would be universes and galaxys within that one molecule afterall what is size? the universe could be the size of a pin prick and that makes us???

[kwchang007]

It cant be as simple as "exploding from nothing". Whatever encompasses what we know as the "universe" is probably just completely beyond different, we cant even begin imagine what it is like. And saying "what it is like" probably isnt even accurate for describing the awesome difference that it has from our universe.

that's interesting thinking. but still....it's hard to imagine that also, a place where matter comes from nothing...just wraping my head around that is hard, it's probably like religioin, just accept and believe, but than again im not religious

[wazzledoozle]

ever see men in black ? the galaxy on orions belt? i think our unsiverse could be like that, if you had the power to takje a single atom or molecule (one or the other ) and magnify it billions of times, maybe there would be universes and galaxys within that one molecule afterall what is size? the universe could be the size of a pin prick and that makes us???

Ive thought of that... it makes sense in some ways and not in others. If things infinitely get larger and smaller, it creates a bit of a paradox. Because that would mean the universe would stretch forever, and at some point, or boundary, things get larger. And if a single nucleus enclosed an entire universe, then if a photon were to impact the nucleus of an atom, it would completely illuminate everything within that smaller universe. Or even destroy it. And if the universe(s) were infinite, then there would be light in every possible place, but when we look at the sky/space, its dark.

This is expanding on this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers'_paradox) paradox.

I dont think any paradox can exist in reality, they are just excellent ways to disprove bad theories (and lead to more).

[ex_reven]

that's interesting thinking. but still....it's hard to imagine that also, a place where matter comes from nothing...just wraping my head around that is hard, it's probably like religioin, just accept and believe, but than again im not religious

The theory isnt that the universe came from nothing. Scientists dont believe in the existance of nothing. The theory is that matter came from a single point, a fundamental particle called a quark that grew so dense and heated up to such a degree that it exploded and spewed particles in all directions. Its where that quark comes from that is speculative.

[kwchang007]

The theory isnt that the universe came from nothing. Scientists dont believe in the existance of nothing. The theory is that matter came from a single point, a fundamental particle called a quark that grew so dense and heated up to such a degree that it exploded and spewed particles in all directions. Its where that quark comes from that is speculative.

ahhh ok, but still that particle of matter had to come from something? or maybe from nothing?

[ex_reven]

which is where god comes in ;)

we have no way to explain the very initial stage of how that fundamental particle was created, which is one reason why we have religion.

[Alcpone]

Or like Vicky Pollard says "It's like a sumin or nothin" :roll:

[ex_reven]

lol, the cool part about it is that scientists believe that the universe will stop expanding and "crunch" back into that little fundamental particle and begin all over again. So its like a means to an end. Or an ends to a mean...whatever you get the point lol :roll:

[kwchang007]

lol, the cool part about it is that scientists believe that the universe will stop expanding and "crunch" back into that little fundamental particle and begin all over again. So its like a means to an end. Or an ends to a mean...whatever you get the point lol :roll:

...when is this supposed to happy, a long time from now right? i don't want to be here when that happens (death by getting crushd by the universe...that would hurt)

[ex_reven]

lol yeah, well according to these rock samples (http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/age.html) our planet itself has existed for at least 3 billion years. Considering that dinosaurs are believed to be only around 65 million years old (roughly), then the chances are that by the time the universe is crushed, earth will probably not even be habitable anymore.

We will probably meet our end alot sooner..

[wazzledoozle]

People seem to connect something cant come from nothing to something coming from god. If "god" has existed forever, why couldn't matter/energy have existed forever?

[kwchang007]

yeah...how can god have existed forever without matter being there...and if got was there to create our universe, where did he come from? i guess there just has to be a point where you either stop thinking about where the universe came from? or you just accept whatever you believe in, which is generally religion because it is the easiest thing to believe in since it is already set.

[ex_reven]

Wazzledoozle thats what im saying. Science doesnt support the existance of a god, because according to science gods do not fit in with the laws of physics, thermodynamics and all their other theories.

Its a belief/faith thing, and it has no simple answer. Both answers are perfectly valid, because unless someone can prove that there is no god, believing in a god remains an acceptable alternative for a question that noone is really capable of answering conclusively.

[Ketxxx]

The big bang came from all manner of particles, I forget the details on that. As to what created those particles and coming from nothing, thats closer to the truth than most would think about, dark matter exisits, however by all known laws its nothing, it does not exist, yet it is there. IMO, its dark matter where these particles came from, and made the big bang. Ultimately, its likely dark matter that keeps the universe alive.

[ex_reven]

ever heard of cool stuff called anti-matter?

You can generate it using a particle accellerator. On contact with matter (anything :p) it explodes violently :D:D:D

[Jenesis]

Anti-matter is the same as "ordinary", everyday matter, except it has the opposite polarity. On contact with matter it doesn't explode - the two annihilate each other, releasing a huge chunk of energy in the process (analogous to nuclear fusion except without the end product). This is the "explosion".

And yes, it can be created in a particle accelerator by colliding certain particles together. The decay of some subatomic particles when collided produces a matter-antimatter pair. :)

[ex_reven]

Anti-matter is the same as "ordinary", everyday matter, except it has the opposite polarity. On contact with matter it doesn't explode - the two annihilate each other, releasing a huge chunk of energy in the process (analogous to nuclear fusion except without the end product). This is the "explosion".

And yes, it can be created in a particle accelerator by colliding certain particles together. The decay of some subatomic particles when collided produces a matter-antimatter pair. :)

awesome :roll:

ok so i was wrong about the explode part, but it still f**k's shit up :laugh:
thanks for the correction :toast:

[D007]

ever see men in black ? the galaxy on orions belt? i think our unsiverse could be like that, if you had the power to takje a single atom or molecule (one or the other ) and magnify it billions of times, maybe there would be universes and galaxys within that one molecule afterall what is size? the universe could be the size of a pin prick and that makes us???


size is always relative ;) .. I always kind of looked at it like.. to a white blood cell, our body is the universe. but thats far far to simple.. Sorry i haven't had the chance to respond lately all. my appologies. i have been very busy working out overclocking the evga 680i sli with intel duo core chipset.. been very interesting, and stressful lol.. once I get this done I'll be back more often.. It's nice to see some intelligent people in here..

Like Stevie from Malcolm in the middle says.. : The brain............................Is a muscle...........................use it............................. or loose it................. :toast:

[D007]

Ok, I'm back, sorry for the delay lol.. I have been very preoccupied learngin how to overclock everything , create raid set ups and build a computer lol. all my 1st times and now I know how to do them all lol.. ahh that was fun, and incredibly stressful lol.. next time i try learning something, im learning one thing at a time lol..

so I see we have allowed our mental prowess to evade us as of recently, so allow me to stimulate your brain cells for a moment if you will :D..

Let's see, we have gone all into the universe ( but it's always an open topic and anyone may feel free to suggest any topic they would like )...

If you don't mind, Lets talk about things along the lines of terraformation and relocation of the human specied, something interesting..

how do you feel about terroforming ( the process of making a place that is inhabitible habitable ).. like moving us all to mars ( good luck ) lol..

we can talk about any topic really, as long as it's based in a scientific realm. Me, I like things regarding nature and evolution, the universe, the metaphysical ( like ghosts and the paranormal ).. Even things like the bermuda triangle.. Well, I should have alot more free time now that I am done learning how to do all this stuff. My 1st build is up and running and overclocked like a man man on redbull.. and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks.. hehe.. :pimp:

[Ketxxx]

Terraforming is a slow process. Its said it could take like 10,000 years to fully terraform Mars. This is a BS figure tho as it totally contradicts the known fact that Mars, albeit in a very primitive state, could sustain human life in as little as 50 years of terraforming. Mars would have an atmosphere, it could rain, but not much else. We would still be dependent on breathing gear on the mars surface, but could walk around in normal clothes. IMO it all boils down to governments hiding things, and even in so-called "free" countries, governments trying to dictate.

[Jenesis]

IMO it all boils down to governments hiding things, and even in so-called "free" countries, governments trying to dictate.

That's pushing the conspiracy theories a little far, isn't it? In truth nobody is quite sure how terraforming could affect a planet or the timescale over which it would work, as it has never been attempted. And as for governments hiding things, didn't President Bush (Senior) call for a manned mission to Mars himself? It was only dropped when somebody figured out that it would cost billions of dollars and most of the crew would die, unshielded from radiation.

Anyway, back to terraforming :D any terraforming project would cost billions, and so no nation would undertake it unless there was a dire need. So until the Earth is almost uninhabitable, I don't think we'll be seeing any terraforming plans.

[Ketxxx]

Not really. Theres always something hidden. The manned mission to mars as far as I know is still on the go too, we have the radiation protection, its just if someone decides to penny pinch and not use as much protection \ shielding as should be used.

[D007]

That's pushing the conspiracy theories a little far, isn't it? In truth nobody is quite sure how terraforming could affect a planet or the timescale over which it would work, as it has never been attempted. And as for governments hiding things, didn't President Bush (Senior) call for a manned mission to Mars himself? It was only dropped when somebody figured out that it would cost billions of dollars and most of the crew would die, unshielded from radiation.

Anyway, back to terraforming :D any terraforming project would cost billions, and so no nation would undertake it unless there was a dire need. So until the Earth is almost uninhabitable, I don't think we'll be seeing any terraforming plans.

Lol I have to agree with the conspiracy theory thing.. "althought I dont deny it or it's possibilities"

you say we will need to do it when we run low on resources or when this place becomes unliveable.
so we should be doing in what? about 50 years? lol.. when we kill off most of our natural resources, like water for example..lol.. I understand though. it would be insanely costly.. but then again I see death as being slightly more costly lol.. well to my quality of life aspect anyway lol..

Nasa keeps finding ways to improve unmanned orbiters ao they run on their own fuel and so forth, like the newly developed ionic drives that use electric/ionic hybrid mixes.. what worries me is the laxidazical approach that is being taken toward it.. It is going to take the whole human race walking around in space suits before we terraform, knowing our terrible habbits in presidential candidates.. I can see it already

"honey don't forget to bring your fresh bottle of air with you to school in case you get low of breath"

moms saying that to their kids as they leave for school lol.. it's sad but thats what it will take for us to terraform when we could do something like the ion engine is doing.. put something small up there, something simple and let it at least do something, not nothing, so we can at least be building something towards it.. maybe learn about the "not to do's" of terraforming in the process.. if nothing else it could be a learning experience for when we actually have to make the move.

I just think the technology needs to come into existence to make it more feasible. I mean i paid friggin 400 bucks for my razor phone when it came out lol.. now their friggin free!! lol

damn tachnology and it's price tags and it's tight tight shorts and... oh sorry, i strayed thinking about cheerleaders there for a second....lol woops..

[Jenesis]

Don't look at me, I didn't vote for Bush ;)

I agree about the technology. At the moment large-scale projects are costly and resource-hungry. We have the ISS, but the cost of that is spiralling out of control.

In short, progress is being made, but this planet will either be a little ball of charcoal thanks to weapons, or an uninhabitable, mostly-water-covered pseudo-Venus, by the time it is in a useful stage.

[ex_reven]

i heard somewhere that breathing would be the least of our issues...it was something to do with manipulating the soil of mars to create oxygen. I forget the exact scientific application of it though...i read it in a book by some guy about all the different ways by which the earth could potentially be destroyed (by us) and methods of survival for each case scenario.

[kwchang007]

i heard somewhere that breathing would be the least of our issues...it was something to do with manipulating the soil of mars to create oxygen. I forget the exact scientific application of it though...i read it in a book by some guy about all the different ways by which the earth could potentially be destroyed (by us) and methods of survival for each case scenario.

really? what were some of the lesser known ones? it's always good to know these kinds of things.

[Ketxxx]

I cant be arsed to dig the links up or find them again right now, but technology required to terraform Mars we already have, or can easily make. "Cost" is a term far too loosly used, there are plenty of avenus to make money through. So the question I put before you all is: What do you prefer? Making a quick buck out of the terraforming project, or the survival of the human race?

[D007]

Don't look at me, I didn't vote for Bush ;)

I agree about the technology. At the moment large-scale projects are costly and resource-hungry. We have the ISS, but the cost of that is spiralling out of control.

In short, progress is being made, but this planet will either be a little ball of charcoal thanks to weapons, or an uninhabitable, mostly-water-covered pseudo-Venus, by the time it is in a useful stage.


lol me either.. Oh jeeze don't even get me started on Bush, I could rant for days lol.. I can feel the itch already just thinking about it :laugh: one thing I have to say.. his IQ was measured at 96... roflmfao.. 96!!! uhm i was in middle school with like a 126 in 6th grade.. our president is dumber than a middle school kid.. oh joy.. lol.. you think thats bad? imagine the people who actually voted for him.. lol.. sorry.. but if ya voted Bush.. well hell, we were screwed either way from how I see it.. we either got a coward deserter or a moron oil bandit redneck.. well, lol... how you like the way gas prices are going up again? :laugh:

as for the everything with the terraformation and the odds this planet will be garbage by the time we are even able to try it.. However much I hate to admit it i have to agree.. I get this sad picture of a few dozen humans crammed in a space station hoping to survive as huumanity disappears then the last straw comes.. faulty engineering and the space station is destroyed.. end of humanity..lol.. that sucks.. but it makes sense.. our technology is faulty at best and our willingness to make things better gets worse and worse in favor of better technology to " work the bugs out of " with high retail values.. i wish humanity would start doing things right the first time for once and stop trying to move on so fast before really making things work well.. it's like w emake great stuff. but it only works for a couple years lol.. so we're a cosmic garage sale i guess..

[D007]

I cant be arsed to dig the links up or find them again right now, but technology required to terraform Mars we already have, or can easily make. "Cost" is a term far too loosly used, there are plenty of avenus to make money through. So the question I put before you all is: What do you prefer? Making a quick buck out of the terraforming project, or the survival of the human race?

yea, I'll take "survival" for 200 please.. lol..

[D007]

So what do you guys think about the trip to pluto we're taking? pretty cool stuff right there.. did you know pluto has an atmosphere that gets so cold it drops to within 35 degress of "absolute 0" it gets so cold that the atmosphere actually freezez and falls to the ground.. it is so cold you would have to basically stand in liquid nitrogen to get the idea.. the items on satellite on the way there had to be tested by spraying liquid nitrogen directly on them.. pretty awsome right there if u ask me.. now if we could build everything to these standars we'd never need to replace things and waste so many resources building the latest model of blender or any of a million good examples of how we wate resources.. if i was in charge i'd make retailers for one remove all packaging not directly related to item security.. including extra "air room" for potatoe chip bags, and the whole 4" of extra cereal box on the top with nothing in it.. along with everything else that is overpackaged and sold. could you imagine how many resources we could save if we just did that? not to mention the drop in pollution it would lead to.. such common sense, but always lost in the face of mass production, advertising and money...
anyway the pluto satellite should make it there in like 2015 if i remember correctly.. man I'm looking forward to that. it was launched years and years ago.. I can't wait to see what pluto looks like.. all we have are blurry images of orange and dark spots to give us a hint so far... we're finally going to the last planet in our solar system.. this has serious implications here.. it is the closets planet to the "crap whats it called" "the something belt" with all the asteroids floating around in the outer solar system.. jenesis you i know this one I bet.. whats the name of that belt out there? I forgot..lol.. loosing sleep learning how to build pc's and overclock lol.. but seeing as it's closest to the things that formed our solar system then it should be the last planet that formed.. meaning it would be in it's earliest stages of growth so we could get an better understanding of planet formation. im stoked..

[Ketxxx]

Bah, by 2015 we will have probably found more planets outside of our solar system that are of more interest. We have already found some. One that springs to mind is a planet thats farking huge, bigger than saturn I think, that supposedly had an atmosphere that would of supported life but cant anymore because its nearest sun died, leaving a white dwarf I think it was.

[D007]

Bah, by 2015 we will have probably found more planets outside of our solar system that are of more interest. We have already found some. One that springs to mind is a planet thats farking huge, bigger than saturn I think, that supposedly had an atmosphere that would of supported life but cant anymore because its nearest sun died, leaving a white dwarf I think it was.


aww what a shame, that would of been cool.. but i know the planet your talking about, cant remember the name however.. and yea it is friggin huge lol.. biggest one yet..

but still pluto is very important because it is in the "keizer belt" i believe it is called.. sorry i mean close to the belt.. there for in theory, it should teach us alot about planet formation and build up of coliding forces from that belt leading to possible life and so forth.. one way or another i hardly condier it a waste of time lol.. I would like to see this huge planet though.. hmm order of preference between pluto and this mongroloid floating around out there... hmmm.. well if this bigun supposedly had life, i think it would be more imperitive we see it.. but still we need to go to pluto, i think it's very important if not for research, at least we will know whats at the end of our solar system lol..

[WarEagleAU]

Seeing as Religion has been barred from here, thereis not much I can say. Except, I dont believe we exist and dont exist at the same time. I dont believe the earth is billions of years old. I do believe you all offer very interesting points and I love reading this stuff, so please, continue.

[D007]

Seeing as Religion has been barred from here, thereis not much I can say. Except, I dont believe we exist and dont exist at the same time. I dont believe the earth is billions of years old. I do believe you all offer very interesting points and I love reading this stuff, so please, continue.

heya war, good ta see ya buddy. it's just that I don't want to start arguments ya know.. I am spiritual but you know how people get lol.. it's a very touchy subject that tends to lead to arguments all the time..

i don't think I've seen an online religeous debate go well lol.. if it could I wouldn't mind but I just don't see it happening. Happy easter to ya :D...

I need a new topic it appears.. shame we didn't even really talk about the pluto mission or anything about it.. I thought it was very interesting we are finally going to the last planet in our solar system.. figured that would be a great convo piece lol.. shows what I know... Jenesis, where r ya u physicist you..lol.. give me some fuel for my fire will ya, i'm in brain lock down due to massive computer issues that are not allowing me to concentrate enough lol..

ok i got one for ya.. always a goodie, though it is an oldie...

The bermuda triangle, your thoughts?

personally I think it's magnetism causing instrument failure due to natural events we just havent pin pointed yet. we'll figure it out eventually.. I don't think ufos are under water killing people out there lol.. I do think it could be things like underwater vents causing bubling explosions that thin the water out causing a ship to sink instantly.. there really arent to many other things I could say I believe that are said to be happeneing out there.oh yea. by the way, i basically live in the bermuda triangle lol. I live in Florida :D..

Remember your all always welcome to talk about anything at all in this realm of worldly and universally scientific knowledge. please do feel free to start any topic in here you would like within the desired boundaries please. thanks all, have a great easter.

[D007]

Heyas check this out, it's kinda cool.. guy set this up as a virtual tour of sorts to a black hole and stuff.. It's directly linked to nasa so you know it's accurate lol..

http://hubblesite.org/explore_astronomy/black_holes/home.html

[wazzledoozle]

Bermuda triangle... Well I remember seeing a lot of documentaries about it, and it seemed the reason for most of the ships and planes to go down was that there are large bubbles of methane (I think) released from the ocean floor. Only place in the world where such large bubbles of it rise out of the ground, and since its less dense than air, and much less than water, it sinks ships and crashes planes.

As for the magnetic aspects of it, I think I heard that the gulf of mexico may be a very large impact crater? Large iron deposits from a meteor may cause the navigation problems.

[Flamingsupernova]

I know how big the universe IS, but the question for me is where did the universe COME FROM. Don't say the big bang, cause that had to come from somewhere too.

WOW! You really know how big the universe is? thats amazing, how big is it?

[wazzledoozle]

No human can possibly comprehend how big the universe is... (http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/feelnikon/discovery/universcale/index_f.htm)

Even a single line mapping the known universe has exponential distance... its just insanely large.

[wazzledoozle]

Has anyone ever thought of the concept that they, themselves are the universe? That everything around the self only exists as a byproduct of existing... so every time you discover something new, it has just been created for the sake of supporting the universe (yourself).

I dont know if I explained this well enough, but if you know what I'm talking about, it raises a lot of interesting questions. There is really no way to disprove it, no paradox that contradicts it.

Understanding how exactly the consciousness exists will probably be the next huge advance in humankind. (Less we perfect fusion energy)

"I think, therefore I am."
- René Descartes

[D007]

Has anyone ever thought of the concept that they, themselves are the universe? That everything around the self only exists as a byproduct of existing... so every time you discover something new, it has just been created for the sake of supporting the universe (yourself).

I dont know if I explained this well enough, but if you know what I'm talking about, it raises a lot of interesting questions. There is really no way to disprove it, no paradox that contradicts it.

Understanding how exactly the consciousness exists will probably be the next huge advance in humankind. (Less we perfect fusion energy)

"I think, therefore I am."
- René Descartes


Yea, but thats just to easy lol.. I know what you mean.. and in regards to the same, to a blood cell our body is the universe and so forth... but this is where i have to drop that notion.. the blood cells run into walls.. we still cant even see ours..
biiggg difference lol.. There is something huge going on that is the driving force for all life.. maybe what we see is in fact only a smaller portion of what is truly the universe.. maybe we're just one bubble in a bath tub full of mr bubbles.. :D

the possibilities are endless.. Thats what i love