Selling Crossfire X1600XT's

[mrbudgie]

Hi all

I have 2 GeCube X1600XT's in crossfire which i am considering selling as a Pair, What do you think i will get for them and do you think they will actually sell.

they get me 5597 in 3dmark06 - heres the link http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=201518&postcount=449

[mrbudgie]

the normal x1600's did but the xt's seem great together runs most games at a high resolution.

i run cod2 at 1600 x 1200 on high settings and i get about 230 frames a second, so i dont think they are that bad.

[pbmaster]

I assume that's in direct x 7?

[freaksavior]

i had an x1600 pro ati's brand and hated it, but you might could get $200 for both.....maybe 200,

[Random Murderer]

the normal x1600's did but the xt's seem great together runs most games at a high resolution.

i run cod2 at 1600 x 1200 on high settings and i get about 230 frames a second, so i dont think they are that bad.

:wtf:
i used to run a 1600xt. i was LUCKY if i could get 15fps on low settings in oblivion, or even muster 50 fps on cod2 with low settings @ 1280x1024..
no offense dude, but your numbers need to be checked again.


EDIT:
and i oc'd that thing to the max, even tweaked it's bios, and it was still a horrible gaming card.
the 1600's are MID RANGE cards. keep that in mind.
i'm CERTAIN that 2 1600xt's in cf cant beat a 1900xtx, like you claim.

[DrunkenMafia]

Hi all

I have 2 GeCube X1600XT's in crossfire which i am considering selling as a Pair, What do you think i will get for them and do you think they will actually sell.

they get me 5597 in 3dmark06 - heres the link http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=201518&postcount=449

Are you sure you get that score with 3d06 man??? My x1800 crossfire setup only got around that much... Are you sure that isn't the 3dmark05 score?? :wtf:

[Random Murderer]

Are you sure you get that score with 3d06 man??? My x1800 crossfire setup only got around that much... Are you sure that isn't the 3dmark05 score?? :wtf:

see, that's what i'm saying. i think he fudged his numbers to try and get them to sell.

[DaMulta]

2 x1600s run as fast as a X1900XT in crossfire

[Random Murderer]

2 x1600s run as fast as a X1900XT in crossfire

but not a 1900xtx, like his numbers say.

[DaMulta]

^^^Well only if your on a x580 chipet and they are XTs

[Random Murderer]

^^^Well only if your on a x580 chipet and they are XTs

he has 2 1600xt's on a radeon xpress 3200 chipset.

[mrbudgie]

didnt mean to start a debate ladies :laugh: was just asking for some useful comments

if thats the score that 3dmark gave me then whats the problem (have a look at the screen shot looks real to me)

and yes probably should of added cod2 is running in directx7 and thats multiplayer with them settings, i haven't played single player with this setup as i finished the game before this comp :)

[Random Murderer]

didnt mean to start a debate ladies :laugh: was just asking for some useful comments

if thats the score that 3dmark gave me then whats the problem (have a look at the screen shot looks real to me)

and yes probably should of added cod2 is running in directx7 and thats multiplayer with them settings, i haven't played single player with this setup as i finished the game before this comp :)

ok, i can understand getting 230 fps in dx7.
but that 3dmark score still seems a little fishy to me.

[Wile E]

The best score I got in 3DMark06 with my X1800XT was 5204 with my old Windsor at 2.8Ghz.

[Kasparz]

One overclocked x1600XT can easily get more than 6k points in 05' 3dmark. Crossfire can easily get 5.5k in 06' mark. There's nothing wrong with 3dmark scores.

[ionuk]

......that score is not real ....my opinion:-(

[Kasparz]

Come one trolls, use search before spamming.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/962/4/page_4_benchmarks_test_system_setup_and_3dmark05/index.html
x1650pro is same as x1600XT, just 10Mhz faster GPU clockspeed. So its almost equal.
As you see, single NON overclocked x1650pro can get 6332 points in 05', and 10292 in crosssfire.
In 06' single x1650pro scores 2718 points, crossfire 4869. So little overclock, and you can get 6k in 06' mark with ease.
Two overclocked x1600XT in crossfire can outperform x1900xtx.

[ionuk]

x1650pro have a new revision gpu ...and is not like x1600xt , pro ...and that was my opinion!!!!!...loool

[Kasparz]

Is have same GPU, same revision, same memory, same layout, same PCB, all same.
It relabeled, like x550=x1050 or x1300=x1550. ATi loves relabeling. And i love trolls who dont know a sh1t about what they are talking, just talking about something to increase post count.
You might want to read this
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/X1650PRO/2
And to completely destroy your wet dreams, check this review
http://www.adrenaline.com.br/hardware/placa_de_video/sapphire_radeon_x1650pro/1/

[ionuk]

http://www.tt-hardware.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9292

watch that....

[ionuk]

5597 vs 4240 is .........SF man ...in 3dmark 2006

[Kasparz]

http://www.tt-hardware.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9292

watch that....
Using 6.4 cats and that slow dualcore is huge bottleneck. Op is using overclocked CPu with overclocked cards. With kentsfield x1600XT crossfire setup would get even 7k+ in 06'. 06' is very CPU dependant.

[newtekie1]

I have an x1650Pro, I have had an x1600XT, they are the exact same card. They both use the same core and everything. The only difference is the x1650Pro is clocked 10MHz higher on the core and memory, which doesn't matter since he overclocked his cards past what a standard x1650Pro is clocked at anyway.

My single x1650Pro, non-overclocked and without any tweaks scores a 2100, so with overclocking and tweaks and when paired with a better processor than a Celeron D his scores seem possible to me.

That said, I wouldn't aske more than $70 a piece for the cards. 7600GTs go for around the $100 mark and completely destroy the x1600XT.

[tkpenalty]

Wow that means I should have purchased a pair of X1600XTs instead of an X1950PRO-DAMN YOU TPU! :(

[mrbudgie]

lol think i've started a big debate here :laugh:

do you think i could get £100 for the pair or is that to much guys

[Kasparz]

lol think i've started a big debate here :laugh:
Who cares, i won :rockout:
For 59pounds you can buy HIS x1650pro with better cooling, but about 90pounds would be enough. Not trying to spam, just friendly suggestion, because probably somewhere you can find x1650pro under 59pounds.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-062-HT&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=776

[mrbudgie]

:) i'd probably be quite happy if i got £90 for the pair

[tkpenalty]

Who cares, i won :rockout:
For 59pounds you can buy HIS x1650pro with better cooling, but about 90pounds would be enough. Not trying to spam, just friendly suggestion, because probably somewhere you can find x1650pro under 59pounds.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-062-HT&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=776

Yeah and X1650PRO is a X1600XT for your info.

[uber_cookie]

£55 ;)

[DrunkenMafia]

Hey man 100 quid is like 270aus.. that is a fair bit man.. I have got my 2 X1800GTO's on ebay atm for 130aus each!!

Maybe 80 pounds for both of em...

[Solaris17]

:wtf:
i used to run a 1600xt. i was LUCKY if i could get 15fps on low settings in oblivion, or even muster 50 fps on cod2 with low settings @ 1280x1024..
no offense dude, but your numbers need to be checked again.


EDIT:
and i oc'd that thing to the max, even tweaked it's bios, and it was still a horrible gaming card.
the 1600's are MID RANGE cards. keep that in mind.
i'm CERTAIN that 2 1600xt's in cf cant beat a 1900xtx, like you claim.



well i could run oblivion on high settings with hdr etc and as long as i wasnt in a grassy area i was fine ran super smooth so ya idk whats wrong with ur system...

[newtekie1]

well i could run oblivion on high settings with hdr etc and as long as i wasnt in a grassy area i was fine ran super smooth so ya idk whats wrong with ur system...

Yeah right, my 7900GTs can't even manage to do that. I don't even dare try oblivion on my x1650Pro, I don't enjoy having to play games at 800x600 to get smooth framerates.

[Kasparz]

Yeah and X1650PRO is a X1600XT for your info.
You just proved your low IQ level.
Maybe read this thread and see, that in every post im trying to say this, and trolls are just saying something about what they don't know a sh1t? I could say what GPU uses what ATi card in middle of night.

[Ripper3]

X1650Pro is an X1600XT basically relabelled (although I'm guessing that the core may have been slightly changed, but differences are negligible), as the core is still based on the original X1600 core.
The X1650XT is a cut-down X1900, so Kasparz, read up first, before telling people they have a low IQ (low or high IQ has nothing to do with this anyhow, IQ has to do with logic, mathematic abilities, and some other functions, like recognition of certain things).

newtekie1, mods and things really help, and about your 7900GTs not being capable of doing that, well, I think something may be wrong.
My X1800GTO runs Oblivion at 1280x1024, Ultra High, HDR on, no AA (cba to use the driver setting), and I get (at worst) playable frame rates to about 40 (peak) fps in most areas. Although, I have got mods installed, some that help cut down on the work the GPU has to do. There's a mod that cuts down how many vertices the grass has, so that it can REALLY help in the middle of a grassy field. (Although supposedly, others have said that the X1800 was the GPU for Oblivion, so take it with salt, but might be true).
With SLi, you should be seeing high frame rates everywhere, or at least high enough to run the game on high res and with high settings.

Oh, and Ebuyer has X1650 Pros starting at around £64, so I'd suggest something around about £50-55 for each card. Ebay prices tend to float around the same as Ebuyer/Scan prices, so anything below Ebuyer prices tends to sell well.

[Kasparz]

I said like 5 times that x1600XT is 100% same card as x1650pro.
x1650XT is heavily modified RV570 from x1950pro turned into RV560, with digital pwm, lot smaller pcb and so.
You can play Oblivion with x1800GTO at 1280 and ultra high? 40fps is when you are looking at grass or clouds, and when you see some heavily moving textures, your fps fall under 10 right? If mods cut some textures, thats not ultra high anymore.

[rhythmeister]

You just proved your low IQ level.
Maybe read this thread and see, that in every post im trying to say this, and trolls are just saying something about what they don't know a sh1t? I could say what GPU uses what ATi card in middle of night.

What does this guy mean, I can't understand him :wtf:

[FatForester]

What does this guy mean, I can't understand him :wtf:

it means he's worshipping something called his "E-penis" :laugh:

[Ripper3]

You can play Oblivion with x1800GTO at 1280 and ultra high? 40fps is when you are looking at grass or clouds, and when you see some heavily moving textures, your fps fall under 10 right? If mods cut some textures, thats not ultra high anymore.

I've never gotten under 25fps (that I've noticed, FRAPS can lie, but it's never gotten to the point that it's a slideshow), even before modifications. The mods affected the water effects, and turned on lighting in houses. The water's texture is actually larger and more complex now, while the lighting from inside the houses at night, is also another larger texture, so it should technically cut fps down a bit.
The grass mod that cuts down on vertices uses a similar texture to the original, with similar quality.
Ultra Quality mode doesn't only affect textures of course, so it's also LoD, Draw distance, etc.


I said like 5 times that x1600XT is 100% same card as x1650pro.
x1650XT is heavily modified RV570 from x1950pro turned into RV560, with digital pwm, lot smaller pcb and so.

Yup, seems you did, sorry about that, you and ionuk were posting, and I must have gotten names confused, but it's still not a reason to say that someone must have a low IQ, just because one detail was wrong.
The RV570 isn't turned into an RV560 btw, the RV570 is sometimes called an RV560 though.
Wikipedia has more on it (but not quite enough, just something to clear the air a little)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X1600#X1600_series

Anyhu, we should probably leave the discussion at that, I think that we've all gotten confused with the numbers and suffixes to those numbers that were flying around, especially since this started as a sort of price check, heh.

[Eric_Cartman]

I said like 5 times that x1600XT is 100% same card as x1650pro.

no it isn't, maybe you should get your IQ checked.

[Ripper3]

The Wikipedia entry has a table near the bottom of the page, which says that the X1650Pro is basically a renamed X1600XT. I know Wikipedia isn't the most reliable of places for sourcing information, but it's better than nothing I guess.
Same core, similar clocks. There are probably other differences, but they're probably minimal at best. Definately not 100% the same (what, the name change doesn't count as a difference between them? :p), but close enough.

[Eric_Cartman]

you people saying the x1650pro is identical to the x1600xt do realize that there are two revisions of the x1650Pro, right?

there is one based on the x1600xt with very minor clock speed changes and there is one based on the x1600pro with a 600mhz core instead of the 500mhz of the x1600pro.

so saying the x1650pro is identical to the x1600xt is only really true half the time, and saying they are 100% identical is totally wrong.

[Ripper3]

you people saying the x1650pro is identical to the x1600xt do realize that there are two revisions of the x1650Pro, right?

there is one based on the x1600xt with very minor clock speed changes and there is one based on the x1600pro with a 600mhz core instead of the 500mhz of the x1600pro.

so saying the x1650pro is identical to the x1600xt is only really true half the time, and saying they are 100% identical is totally wrong.

Ah, well that sir, I do admit I did not know.

[Kasparz]

no it isn't, maybe you should get your IQ checked.
192 in anytime of the week. Eric, yes, here are x1650pro with ddr2 and ddr3, but i knew that there were x1600xt with ddr2 too. Check out how many x1300xt is out here. 64bit, with ddr2, with ddr3, about ~5-7 different versions with one x1300xt name. There is x1300XT DDR3 that is totally same as x1650pro and x1600XT with just slightly lover clocks. Dont ask me why ati did this, but thats why many customers get confused.

[Kasparz]

The RV570 isn't turned into an RV560 btw, the RV570 is sometimes called an RV560 though.
Wikipedia has more on it (but not quite enough, just something to clear the air a little)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X1600#X1600_series

It is turned, and im pretty sure about what im saying. RV570 and RV560 are redesigned R580 with all features, but lower pipeline/vertex count and some little more enhancements to decrease power consumption.

[mrbudgie]

haha lol :laugh: for a simple price check thread its gone from random calling me a fibber to a full on political debate about the names for the ATI cards lol.


any way a real question here, if i tried a single card solution but a higher end card would i loose the ability to play games a high resolutions like crossfire seems pretty good at.

thanks

[Ripper3]

192 in anytime of the week.

Comparing IQ is like comparing penis sizes, has no effect on anything. Einstein's IQ fluctuated with age (mostly posivitive fluctuations though) and peaked at well over 200 nearing the age of 40.
Although in his younder years, his IQ was between 140-160 (nothing to be sniffed at). He just had a creative mind though, and that's how he figured out many theories, by letting his mind wander on the subject, while people with higher IQs focused too hard on problems at times.

Eric, yes, here are x1650pro with ddr2 and ddr3, but i knew that there were x1600xt with ddr2 too. Check out how many x1300xt is out here. 64bit, with ddr2, with ddr3, about ~5-7 different versions with one x1300xt name. There is x1300XT DDR3 that is totally same as x1650pro and x1600XT with just slightly lover clocks. Dont ask me why ati did this, but thats why many customers get confused.

Those are differences between manufacturers. ATi recommends the use of, for argument's sake, 128MB GDDR2, but manufacturers don't have to stick to that reccomendation.
The 6600 was the same, with some models coming out with GDDR2 before Nvidia introduced 6600 GDDR2 models officially, after which, it got even more confused.

And you're not wrong, it confuses consumers alot more than it should do. It's kind of a marketing strategy I'd guess. Bemuse the customers so that they may just end up picking the shiniest POS on sale, and that costs more than anything else.
Either that or they really do just want to confuse consumers for fun.

It is turned, and im pretty sure about what im saying. RV570 and RV560 are redesigned R580 with all features, but lower pipeline/vertex count and some little more enhancements to decrease power consumption.

I know very well that the RV570 is a respun R580 core. Lower power requirements, as it's a cut-down R580 (without simply having quads locked) with 36 shaders.
What I meant by it not being "turned into" another core is that it's the same core, with a software lock on one quad of shaders. I just confused myself in the process of typing it out (happens, regularly).



mrbudgie: Heh, yeah, it's gotten a little OTT to say the least. :o
I'd think that a high-end card would do as well as two low to mid range cards together. Someone did mention that the X1900XTX could beat X1600CF setup, but getting two X1900XTXs would definately get higher fps still :D

[Solaris17]

Yeah right, my 7900GTs can't even manage to do that. I don't even dare try oblivion on my x1650Pro, I don't enjoy having to play games at 800x600 to get smooth framerates.

well then oc your card and your proccie tweak windows like i did and the bios and install the preformance mods in the oblivion thread id try it b4 i prove you wrong buddy ;)

[Solaris17]

I said like 5 times that x1600XT is 100% same card as x1650pro.
x1650XT is heavily modified RV570 from x1950pro turned into RV560, with digital pwm, lot smaller pcb and so.
You can play Oblivion with x1800GTO at 1280 and ultra high? 40fps is when you are looking at grass or clouds, and when you see some heavily moving textures, your fps fall under 10 right? If mods cut some textures, thats not ultra high anymore.

not true the mods i have cut down on polygons.....or it uses geometry instancing...like i have it set to do...saves time PRESERVES image quality and lets the gpu work less....im telling you x1600xt can do oblivion smoothly so smooth it didnt bother me unless it was grass. and at NO sacrivice to the image so im going to have to argue that i wasnt at high quality when all my mod did was instead o 400 types of grass moving independently their was 250...and you dont see the diff.

[tkpenalty]

What does this guy mean, I can't understand him :wtf:

X2... he goes I have low IQ when i got the argument right :S....
So.. I went X1650PRO was a X1600XT... and he goes i got low iq when im right, then he goes on something about the X1650XT is not a X1600XT :S. X1650XT blows any X1650PRO out of the water nuff said, get back on topic, this isnt really a place to talk about this stuff right?

X1600XT in crossfire is good, we know that, its cheap too so yeah. I was going to go for that setup though...

[Eric_Cartman]

not true the mods i have cut down on polygons.....or it uses geometry instancing...like i have it set to do...saves time PRESERVES image quality and lets the gpu work less....im telling you x1600xt can do oblivion smoothly so smooth it didnt bother me unless it was grass. and at NO sacrivice to the image so im going to have to argue that i wasnt at high quality when all my mod did was instead o 400 types of grass moving independently their was 250...and you dont see the diff.

so what you are saying is that you lowered the visual detail(regardless of how noticeable it is), but that isn't lowering the visual detail?

there really isn't a visual difference between 16x aa and 8x aa, but there is a big performance difference, and 8x isn't high settings when 16x is an option

just sayin'

if you have used mods to make the game less graphically intense you can't exactly start arguing about the playability of the game on certain cards using certain settings and leave those modifications out of your original statement

[Solaris17]

who said i lowered my AA? another thing that greately improved preformance incase it wasnt clear enough AI and geometry instancing that helps alot....as for mods ill show you a link when i get home it makes it so the grass blades arent moving independently or all of them any way so like every 4 blades 1 is moving the same as the one 4 b4 it understand?....im not trying to be an ass guys all my settings other than shadows were on high and i think one other and it ran smooth you can think im lying all you want no problem but you need to learn that you need to do a little more work than a fresh xp install to run games well cutting services ocing my card tightening imings all got oblivion to run fine and if he can do all of that and his 7900 still cant do it their is a problem plain and simple.

[Eric_Cartman]

i was just using the aa thing as another example of something that technically lowers visual quality, but isn't noticeable

i'm just saying, if you are going to argue that the game is playable on certain settings using a graphics card it isn't fair if you are using mods to help boost performance, even if the changes are unnoticable, and not say you are using those mods

[Solaris17]

ooo i see.

[rhythmeister]

How mad is this debate on the x16xx series cards? Let's leave it that a single x1650 xt whoops on any of the other x16xx series cards in single configuration. Good luck with the sale of those two cards, I'm sure they'll go to a good home :D