Evil Curse on my Computer!!!

[zachisevil]

Alright I am new here, but I am still here for a reason. I have tried long and hard, and I think I have done everything possible. I even in desperation went to the geek squad at best buy and they said they dont know what is wrong with it. So I am going to pass this on to you guys and see if somebody can be my hero.
Here is the system
-Asus M2NPV-VM
-Kingston KVR533D2N/1G (x2 and that is on the QVL)
-Ultra ULT31848 X-Finity 600W PSU
-AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor 5600+ Socket AM2
-Western Digital Raptor WD1500AHFD 150GB & Western Digital WD3200YS Caviar RE 320GB Serial ATAII

The Problem:When I turn it on, it starts up, the fans whir and spin, but much to my dismay I get no display :banghead:(rhyme time).
So I start putting ram in different slots and in different configurations but nothing changed:banghead:.
I also resorted to contacting asus rma department and they took my old motherboard and sent me a new one. Yeah the same problem, no different:banghead:.
So I went and bought an MSI K9AGM2 and switched out all the parts, SAME PROBLEM:banghead:!!!
I think maybe it is a short in my case so I try a different(working) case with both the mobos and I get nowhere:banghead:.
I contact ASUS and AMD and we conclude the problem is the processor. So I just bought the 5600 (i started with the 5000) and still the same problem:banghead:.
Finally today i bought a PCI-E card just for the hell of it and tried it with no avail:banghead:.
Everything has pretty much been switched out other than the PSU but I dont think that is the problem. But at this point I have no idea. So I beg of you guys, somebody out there please help me!!!

[kwchang007]

has the ram been checked? also, you should defiantly check the psu. one more thing, how's cpu cooling looking? everything on nice and secure with some sort of thermal paste?

[zekrahminator]

Did you remember the spacers?

[Garb3]

i just installed my new mobo today and had that problem(probly not the same problem as urs but u never know) anyway it would only boot after clearing cmos and after searching the abit website i found out nthat the default ram voltage was way to low so i just had to turn up the juice hope this helps:D

[zekrahminator]

Did you build your computer according to me tried-and-true computer building guide (http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/144)?

[zachisevil]

I cleared cmos also, the cooling is fine (OEM fans & thermal paste but it works). Spacers as in the things I screw in the case to put the motherboard on top of? yeah i put those in. How would I increase RAM voltage? I cannot see anything at all.
edit:
Did you build your computer according to me tried-and-true computer building guide (http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/144)?
well everything I did is pretty much there, aside from starting it without the hdd. Plus my PSU only has a 24pin connector (that can break up into 20pin and a 4pin) and not a seperate 4pin but I was told that does not matter. I have built quite a few computers and this is my first problem I have ran into :(

[kwchang007]

I cleared cmos also, the cooling is fine (OEM fans & thermal paste but it works). Spacers as in the things I screw in the case to put the motherboard on top of? yeah i put those in. How would I increase RAM voltage? I cannot see anything at all.

let's see integrated graphics....so not that...umm do you have a graphics card on hand anyways to try and boot up via a dedicated graphics card?

[Garb3]

sorry i really wouldnt know unless u can get into the bios.

[Kursah]

Do you have different RAM to try, your RAM may be faulty? Remove your CMOS battery and set your jumper to reset for a couple hours, and try that again, that worked for me once. It may help you.

[keakar]

i didn't see you say you ever tried a different monitor so try that

[zachisevil]

Best buy tried a different monitor (LCD and the other kind). Plus i know my monitor works cause I am looking at it right now (its the one I use for my personal computer) ;)
let's see integrated graphics....so not that...umm do you have a graphics card on hand anyways to try and boot up via a dedicated graphics card?
Yeah i wrote it up in the first post, I bought a pci-e one at best buy to try that out and nothing changed. It is bewitched

[Kursah]

well everything I did is pretty much there, aside from starting it without the hdd. Plus my PSU only has a 24pin connector (that can break up into 20pin and a 4pin) and not a seperate 4pin but I was told that does not matter. I have built quite a few computers and this is my first problem I have ran into :(

I'd plug the 4-pin in, my old ABIT AS8-v wouldn't boot if it was unplugged, I tried it once to see what it affected, left it alone after that.

I'd say find a different stick of memory to try, it's about the only thing you haven't done at least from what I've read.

[keakar]

the only thing i can suggest is to hook everything up outside of the case but make sure the board is grounded (i think it has to be grounded to work right) and see what happens. also try with only one stick of ram at a time.

also try using this assembly guide to troubleshoot it:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=30165

[zachisevil]

If I plug the 4pin in (i have to take away from the 24pin to make it 20pin) the computer obviously doesnt have enough power because it will start up for a second and shut back off. The mobo manual said only certain kind of motherboards can use the 4pin anyways and it is only if you have a 20 pin also. (i guess 24 pin is newer cause the rest of my computers dont have them.)
I used ocz memory at first and it did the same thing but it wasnt on the QVL, so I tried some ram from best buy and when that didnt work I found the QVL and bought the specific ram it told me to and it still doesnt work.
the only thing i can suggest is to hook everything up outside of the case but make sure the board is grounded (i think it has to be grounded to work right) and see what happens. also try with only one stick of ram at a time.

also try using this assembly guide to troubleshoot it:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=30165
thats another thing that is confusing me, I have NO beeps. form the first mobo, to this new one the rma dep sent me (and said they tested it) and the MSI board. wtfffff
I have an acrylic case so maybe i should try that? it sort of sucks cause its my current desktop and I will have to strip it.

[keakar]

look close to be sure there is no dimple or metal standoff behind the board somewhere, usually they bench test boards outside the case so something might be going on there.

getting no beeps should indicate to stop there because things aren't working right.

[zachisevil]

ill try to start it up outside of the case, and the memory thing but as I said I have tried different cases and memory.

[keakar]

thats another thing that is confusing me, I have NO beeps. form the first mobo, to this new one the rma dep sent me (and said they tested it) and the MSI board. wtfffff
I have an acrylic case so maybe i should try that? it sort of sucks cause its my current desktop and I will have to strip it.

if you have no beeps after step 2 of the guide i linked you to then it is between the big 3 (motherboard, CPU, Power Supply) where your problem is.

unplug the drives (data and power wires) and remove all the ram and see if it beeps.

[nora.e]

Had problems getting my Asus p5pe-vm to run in the beginng, woulden't boot or run properly with an Intel Pentium D 3Ghz cpu, and supose to suport Core 2. Talked with Asus Quite a few time without getting any answers that worked. What it ended up being was the BIOS that came on my install cd where old. Found and installed the most curent, and it's been running fine sence.
Have you checked The BIOS to make sure they're the right one????

[zachisevil]

but i cant see anything to check my bios

[zekrahminator]

I'd say your motherboard is DOA, and you should RMA it ASAP.

[bruins004]

but i cant see anything to check my bios

What is the PSU you have.
Also, when you connect your mobo in do you have BOTH power connectors connected to the mobo (the 20/24 pin connector AND the 4 pin connector)?

[Mediocre]

If I plug the 4pin in (i have to take away from the 24pin to make it 20pin) ...

DONT TAKE THE 4 PIN FROM THE 20+4 PIN HEADER!!

BADD!!!

The extra 4-pin on the mobo (stand-alone 4 pin, sometimes 8 pin) gets 12v and GND (yellow black)... THe +4 of the 20+4 is NOT yellow and black...so assume they are a different voltage...

[Mediocre]

As far as I know most modern chipsets require the 12v and ground 4-pin power. Heck the single board computers I use at work require the extra 4-pin (those are powered by a passive backplane and the power draw exceeds the bus rating).

The motherboard's extra 4-pin square power connector cable looks like the one on the right:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=12-162-004-04.jpg&CurImage=12-162-004-04.jpg&Depa=0&Description=Silverstone+6%26quot%3b+Power+Cable+Ki t+Model+SST-PP01+-+Retail

[Mediocre]

http://www.rackmount.com/pcwsupport/ChasisInstall/Rm0162/RM0162_Pentium_4_Installation_Kit_files/image004.gif

[largon]

A PSU can actually die so that it would appear to work fine and power up the system but the system would refuse to POST. It would just hang to a black screen with fans and HDDs spinning and all the appropriate lights lit.

I have seen this happen in person.If I plug the 4pin in (i have to take away from the 24pin to make it 20pin) the computer obviously doesnt have enough power because it will start up for a second and shut back off. What exactly did you do? Where did you plug the 4pin cable that is part of the 24pin ATX connector?

[bruins004]

http://www.rackmount.com/pcwsupport/ChasisInstall/Rm0162/RM0162_Pentium_4_Installation_Kit_files/image004.gif

Dude if you didnt plug that in that there is your problem.
I did the same thing once.

But watch out bc you could of have also messed up your mobo if you did this.

[nora.e]

but i cant see anything to check my bios

Was thinking I found the version installed listed in the booklet that came with the mobo, or on the box. Just tried to find it again, wasn't in either place. I was wrong, sorry. :ohwell:

[Kursah]

Yep, the extra 4 pin that attaches to the 20-pin is not the same as the extra P4 4-pin, that will cause issues. Ensure you have a proper PSU if there is no other 4-pin, you need a different PSU that is compatable. If this is the case, I wouldn't trust the people you had look at it, as this is a very simple thing that shouldn't be missed. If I remember correctly, the 4-pin off of the 20-pin connector shouldn't even fit in the P4 4-pin, if it's forced in damage will be caused.

[Mussels]

There are two main power connectors for a motherboard, as others have said above.

The 20/24 pin main ATX connector, and the 4/8 pin CPU connector as in Mediocres picture.

Since you've swapped everything else around, i highly suggest replacing the PSU - you haven't even listed it or its specifications yet.

Edit: The only other option for this, is CPU overheating (the mobo turns off when this happens - unlikely as this normally takes at least 5-10 seconds) or it is not detecting the CPU fan is connected (a lot of older mobos did this, most new ones don't)

[zachisevil]

This is in my first post:

Here is the system
-Asus M2NPV-VM
-Kingston KVR533D2N/1G (x2 and that is on the QVL)
-Ultra ULT31848 X-Finity 600W PSU
-AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor 5600+ Socket AM2
-Western Digital Raptor WD1500AHFD 150GB & Western Digital WD3200YS Caviar RE 320GB Serial ATAII
The 24pin (http://www.homicidalantics.com/stuff/jun07_0001.jpg)
Seperated into 20 +4 (http://www.homicidalantics.com/stuff/jun07_0002.jpg)
The 4 shown that it fits (http://www.homicidalantics.com/stuff/jun07_0003.jpg)

In the manual for the PSU it says it separates for that purpose. Also in my motherboards manual it says the 4 pin is not needed unless I use a 20 pin connector, but it needs to have a certain amount of electricity to be used that way. I used my other PSU thats currently on my desktop (working, ULTRA xconnect 500w) and that is a 20 pin and 4 pin and it just starts up for 5 seconds then shuts down. The same thing that happens when i separate the 24 and the 4 and plug them in with the PSU thats in the problematic computer.

There are two main power connectors for a motherboard, as others have said above.

The 20/24 pin main ATX connector, and the 4/8 pin CPU connector as in Mediocres picture.

Since you've swapped everything else around, i highly suggest replacing the PSU - you haven't even listed it or its specifications yet.

Edit: The only other option for this, is CPU overheating (the mobo turns off when this happens - unlikely as this normally takes at least 5-10 seconds) or it is not detecting the CPU fan is connected (a lot of older mobos did this, most new ones don't)
Remember though, I have replaced both the CPU and the MOBO.

[Kursah]

So then since your MB has a EATX (24 Pin M/B Power Connection) and ATX+12v plugs (4-pin plug near CPU), you have both properly connected? You should not be removing the extra 4-pin from the 20-pin, that should go into your EATX, and the other 4-pin should go into the ATX +12v.

X-Finity PSU - Featuring FlexForce Cables

Connectors

1x Main Power 20+4 Pin Use This one for main connection with 4-pin connected to it.
1x 12V (P4) 4-Pin Use this one in 4-pin by CPU Socket.
8x Peripheral
2x Floppy
4x SATA Power
2x PCI Express 6-Pin
1x 8-Pin EPS




From: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2132071&Sku=ULT31848%20ON

Just want to verify this, because there is no reason with that motherboard that you should need to seperate the 4-pin from the 20-pin, it should be plugged in as one unit. I am unsure if you are, because you are stating you are seperating the 4-pin from the 20-pin..


...In the manual for the PSU it says it separates for that purpose. Also in my motherboards manual it says the 4 pin is not needed unless I use a 20 pin connector, but it needs to have a... -zachisevil


I still think that's where the problem lies is with the connection but to clear this up you could show us a picture of your MB with those two power plugs in connected. Also inspect for damaged or loose pins...not too common with larger pins/connectors but just to verify. :toast:

[zachisevil]

screw all of you guys!!!
i am an idiot, i called up ULTRA and i guess it was another plug I separate into the 4 pin. Shit man ive been crying of this for over a month now. Thank you for all of your help, I am sorry I am so stupid.

[Kursah]

It's all good, mistakes happen dude. Too bad Best Buy and whom-ever else looked at it for you couldn't figure that out...

Glad we could be of some help to ya! Good luck with your system, keep us posted on how it goes!

[Namslas90]

screw all of you guys!!!...
...Thank you for all of your help, I am sorry I am so stupid.

Strangest way to say thanks I've seen yet.:laugh::toast:

[zachisevil]

OK here you guys go. Another task for yus to help me out with if you are so kind. My gf laptop will not read my router, i dont know if it will recognize any other routers but mine has always worked. It just says there are no networks in range but i am 6inches from my router and my laptop connects to it fine. I already tried to repair it, I enabled it and disabled it in windows and my bios. I cannot tell what is wrong.