Xbox 360 or iPod Video

[Casheti]

Before you whine it's posted in wrong section it's not. They're both hardware :p

Anyways, I have like £200 (a lot of money at my age) and I can't decide which one I should get.

I want your opinions people :D

[DaMulta]

I vote for HD x2900XT:)
http://www.xcase.co.uk/p/329716/SAP-21108-00-50R-RADEON-HD-2900XT-512MB-PCI-E.htm

[S^line]

depends on what you want to do and what you need. What do you have to run games and what do you have mp3 player wise.

[WarEagleAU]

the 360 is a sound investment :)

[pt]

i vote a c2d and a cheap mobo :)

[Casheti]

depends on what you want to do and what you need. What do you have to run games and what do you have mp3 player wise.

I play games on the PC and I have no mp3 player, although I have like 6GB of songs on my PC so far.. :p

I wanted a 360 because it doesn't need hardware upgrades and it plays great games with no lag. No need to worry if you can run a game or not. Just works.

I also wanted the iPod video because I don't really go out too much, and I think I'd go out alot more if I could listen to music at the same time.

I don't want to upgrade my PC any longer because it always demands more money, a new piece of hardware etc. I don't have the funds for this hobby of computers. So for those of you suggesting new hardware, I say no thanks. I may even just sell my PC altogether and build a cheaper one which isn't for games, then I can use the 360 for games, and the money from the PC to buy an iPod Video.

To be honest I'm still kind of thinking about it. I was in a store the other day and I could have bought an iPod Video right there and then, I had it in my hand... took a lot of mental strength to put it down and say "no". Temptation was very strong lol..

More replies people!

It's a tough choice to make because I only get this kind of money once a year..

P.S. My Sister votes for 360, but only 'cos she wants to play on it :p

[Sonosmo]

I never talk on this forum but im stepping in. CASHETI get an ipod, you know it makes sense. Its the healthiest option. Music stimulates the brain, and I allways see your dark side on the pc, so get an ipod video!

[Wile E]

Ahh, man. This is a tough call. I have both, and don't know which I like more.

Well, considering that your computer won't be able to play the newest games cause of your video card, and you don't want to put more money into it, I say 360. At least you'll be able to play most of the newest titles, plus it doubles as a media centre(spelled your way, just for you. lol) extender, allowing you to watch stuff on your TV.

[Casheti]

One day when I have a job and some income I will come back to PC's, but right now it's not cost effective...

I think I may end up buying an iPod Video first, gaming on PC for a little longer and then sell the PC to buy a 360. Then when the time is right, build a new PC again. Sounds good :toast:

I guess I've made up my mind... iPod Video at the moment. My mind may change but this is how I feel at the moment. Plus Sonasmo's opinion is quite valuable because I go to school with him and hang out at the weekends (sometimes, but most of the time I'm a loser and stay indoors :D)

[S^line]

I play games on the PC and I have no mp3 player, although I have like 6GB of songs on my PC so far.. :p

I wanted a 360 because it doesn't need hardware upgrades and it plays great games with no lag. No need to worry if you can run a game or not. Just works.

I also wanted the iPod video because I don't really go out too much, and I think I'd go out alot more if I could listen to music at the same time.

I don't want to upgrade my PC any longer because it always demands more money, a new piece of hardware etc. I don't have the funds for this hobby of computers. So for those of you suggesting new hardware, I say no thanks. I may even just sell my PC altogether and build a cheaper one which isn't for games, then I can use the 360 for games, and the money from the PC to buy an iPod Video.

To be honest I'm still kind of thinking about it. I was in a store the other day and I could have bought an iPod Video right there and then, I had it in my hand... took a lot of mental strength to put it down and say "no". Temptation was very strong lol..

More replies people!

It's a tough choice to make because I only get this kind of money once a year..

P.S. My Sister votes for 360, but only 'cos she wants to play on it :pI would def. go with the 360. I think you'll get a lot more use of it compared to an Ipod.

[Jimmy 2004]

You posted this on a forum more inclined to gaming than music... what answer do you expect??!!

[freaksavior]

although i am VERY much against the ipod, i'm going to say ipod!

although i would suggest something else! but nothing comes to mind

[Casheti]

although i am VERY much against the ipod, i'm going to say ipod!

although i would suggest something else! but nothing comes to mind

Why is you so against the iPod?

[Casheti]

You posted this on a forum more inclined to gaming than music... what answer do you expect??!!

I expected to find some music lovers such as I :p

On the subject of iPods though, I hate those new 2nd gen gay earbud headphones, anybody know where I can get some 1st gen ones?? The ones that made people go deaf.. I like those.

[freaksavior]

As the ipod is the # 1 music player in the wolrd,

I do not like them for this reason

#1 everyone has one
#2 i hate itunes, as you lose your music, you CAN NOT re download it.
#3 apple stuff is proprietary
#4 videos can be a pain in the ass to get on it.


idk, it's mostly just me i think. My borther hates them as well, my dad has one though

[freaksavior]

http://www.archos.com/products/video/archos_704wifi/index.html?country=global&lang=en

j/k that things HUGE!!!

http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/x5/

not the most attractive device. but has 14+ hrs on music! there x5l will go for almost 30hrs

http://www.archos.com/products/video/archos_604wifi/index.html?country=global&lang=en

replaced the archos av500 wich i have! love it! a bit big, but it's awesome if you watch movies!

[Casheti]

As the ipod is the # 1 music player in the wolrd,

I do not like them for this reason

#1 everyone has one
#2 i hate itunes, as you lose your music, you CAN NOT re download it.
#3 apple stuff is proprietary
#4 videos can be a pain in the ass to get on it.


idk, it's mostly just me i think. My borther hates them as well, my dad has one though

I don't download music legally so #2 isn't an issue.

I'm not sure about getting videos on it but I'm sure it's not that hard.

I don't care that everybody has one. That simply means that they're good, and if not, I like them anyway.

3 Year Insurance that covers everything from accidents to theft is £59.99 I can't afford that :o Guess I'll take my chances.

[Darknova]

Ok, I am a HUGE music fan, and I will say this...iPods suck arse, I will never own one, if I got one for free I would sell it and buy another music device.
I currently have a 1Gb Lavod MP3 Player, it's MUCH better sound quality than the iPod (I have listened to both using the exact same headphones, and exact same track).
The iPod ties you in to iTunes (no drag and drop facility).
The Video side is APPALLING, my friend has one and he wishes he'd got a nano instead. He's had about 4 of them now because of battery problems, next time it goes he's demanding a nano and a refund of the difference.

He had an Archos player and even though it was bulky (quite an old one) it absolutely rocked AND it was cheaper AND has drag and drop AND has much better life span AND you can change the batteries.

My Lavod player cost me £90 about 2 years ago, it's still going and I love the little bugger.

So my vote goes for the XBox 360.

[Casheti]

What about all the millions of satisfied iPod customers? You think they all hate iPods too?

[freaksavior]

casheti, you asked for are opinion, now don't get offended when we give it..........if you want an ipod, then get a ipod! yes there are millions of users, and that is what makes it such a successful device. Every device has it downfalls and it's biased hater/lovers. I myself am not a hater/lover. I don't like them and would never buy one, but if someone gave me one i would use it. So, if it's what YOU like, then don't worry about what the other people think.

so to sum up what i just said

If you want it buy it, if you don't then don't. Simple as that.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Nintendo wii+ cheaper ipod.


Win-win situation.

The wii is so much better than a 360. I love mine.


Although asking ipod questions on this forum is a bad idea, 99% of people have things against companys named after fruit.

however, do factor in you also have to purchase 360 games.


that adds QUITE a bit to the cost.

If you are going to be driving soon, an Ipod is also an EXCELLENT car radio in your pocket.

It wont be stolen from your car, and its portable so it goes anywhere. I highly reccomend the Nano. Its just full of awesome. I use it as my car radio when i'm driving, and my mp3 player on the go ;D

[Chewy]

Ipod is nice, if you have the use for it. Its great if you travel or take the bus to places because you can watch tv shows/movies on it and have a libary of music. One thing to think about is with a ipod video you need a good computer to convert movies to mp4 with videora ipod convertor(free)... thats one reason why I upgraded my computer to a c2d, from a p4.

atm I hardy use my ipod.. it is one of/if not the best mp3/video player around without question. I used it alot more when I was going to the gym, watching movies while doing cardio was great.

Hey if you ask me though a psp owns, it has a very large screen for movies, you can flash it so you can back-up you games to flash cards and its even cheaper than ipod.. minus the 2-4 gigs sony flash card. It also plays music but its just a bigger device, good enough if your not using it for cardio/going to the gym.

I VOTE PSP!

[Casheti]

Nintendo wii+ cheaper ipod.


Win-win situation.

The wii is so much better than a 360. I love mine.


Although asking ipod questions on this forum is a bad idea, 99% of people have things against companys named after fruit.

however, do factor in you also have to purchase 360 games.


that adds QUITE a bit to the cost.

If you are going to be driving soon, an Ipod is also an EXCELLENT car radio in your pocket.

It wont be stolen from your car, and its portable so it goes anywhere. I highly reccomend the Nano. Its just full of awesome. I use it as my car radio when i'm driving, and my mp3 player on the go ;D

To be honest the Wii plays kinda childish games, and for the few FPS's which do exist on Wii, the graphics aren't that great. Don't really want one.

And speaking of honesty, I won't be paying for any of my 360 games if I get one :D

Also I won't be driving for at least another year, the minimum age in England is 17, I'm 16 :(

[Casheti]

casheti, you asked for are opinion, now don't get offended when we give it..........if you want an ipod, then get a ipod! yes there are millions of users, and that is what makes it such a successful device. Every device has it downfalls and it's biased hater/lovers. I myself am not a hater/lover. I don't like them and would never buy one, but if someone gave me one i would use it. So, if it's what YOU like, then don't worry about what the other people think.

so to sum up what i just said

If you want it buy it, if you don't then don't. Simple as that.

I was never offended lol..

On the subject of want, I am asking your opinions because I want BOTH, but can't have both.

[Dippyskoodlez]

To be honest the Wii plays kinda childish games, and for the few FPS's which do exist on Wii, the graphics aren't that great. Don't really want one.

And speaking of honesty, I won't be paying for any of my 360 games if I get one :D

Also I won't be driving for at least another year, the minimum age in England is 17, I'm 16 :(

um. childish games? Try the games sometime. They "look" kiddy, but really, its about game mechanics, not what it looks like. almost ALL of the games are fun as hell. Ever play animal crossing? That was painfully addicting for a while.

Just because it doesn't have ZOMGDROOL violence, gore, and obscenitys, doesn't mean the games suck.

But coming soon.. super smash brothers...

drool.

That is the one game, to rule them all.

[DaMulta]

To be honest the Wii plays kinda childish games, and for the few FPS's which do exist on Wii, the graphics aren't that great. Don't really want one.

And speaking of honesty, I won't be paying for any of my 360 games if I get one :D

Also I won't be driving for at least another year, the minimum age in England is 17, I'm 16 :(

Consoles = few FPS's

:respect:PC

[Casheti]

Ipod is nice, if you have the use for it. Its great if you travel or take the bus to places because you can watch tv shows/movies on it and have a libary of music. One thing to think about is with a ipod video you need a good computer to convert movies to mp4 with videora ipod convertor(free)... thats one reason why I upgraded my computer to a c2d, from a p4.

atm I hardy use my ipod.. it is one of/if not the best mp3/video player around without question. I used it alot more when I was going to the gym, watching movies while doing cardio was great.

Hey if you ask me though a psp owns, it has a very large screen for movies, you can flash it so you can back-up you games to flash cards and its even cheaper than ipod.. minus the 2-4 gigs sony flash card. It also plays music but its just a bigger device, good enough if your not using it for cardio/going to the gym.

I VOTE PSP!

I'll certainly be converting some movies to iPod format, but with this Pentium D it's gonna take a while lol..

I never actually thought about a PSP, but I don't think it's really suited to me. Hand held games consoles aren't really my thing. And there's not enough memory on those things. Plus the fact it's too easy to brick it with messed up firmware.

Because you have an iPod Video (from what it seems), is there any sort of skip protection for running and jumping about and such?

[Casheti]

um. childish games? Try the games sometime. They "look" kiddy, but really, its about game mechanics, not what it looks like. almost ALL of the games are fun as hell. Ever play animal crossing? That was painfully addicting for a while.

Just because it doesn't have ZOMGDROOL violence, gore, and obscenitys, doesn't mean the games suck.

But coming soon.. super smash brothers...

drool.

That is the one game, to rule them all.

I guess it depends what you're into.. I'm mostly an FPS sort of person, and Wii doesn't really cater for types like me.

[Dippyskoodlez]

I guess it depends what you're into.. I'm mostly an FPS sort of person, and Wii doesn't really cater for types like me.



fps on anything but a pc = you fail at life.

that is all.

[Casheti]

fps on anything but a pc = you fail at life.

that is all.

Spending money on a PC to upgrade it to play the latest FPS's constantly for the rest of your life = you fail at life

Much rather spend that money on a loved one or something better than a PC. Lucky for my PC I don't have a loved one lol...

The whole point of me getting a 360 is so I never have to upgrade to play the latest games nicely. At my age money doesn't come easy. No pocket money, full time student means I can only get a weekend job, which also happens to be the only time I can go out and have fun.

Sorry if that sounded harsh.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Spending money on a PC to upgrade it to play the latest FPS's constantly for the rest of your life = you fail at life

Much rather spend that money on a loved one or something better than a PC. Lucky for my PC I don't have a loved one lol...

The whole point of me getting a 360 is so I never have to upgrade to play the latest games nicely. At my age money doesn't come easy. No pocket money, full time student means I can only get a weekend job, which also happens to be the only time I can go out and have fun.

Sorry if that sounded harsh.


I play every game I have on an x850xt.

Its perfectly fine, and I got it for $45.

Why must you upgrade? ;)

You don't HAVE to have full aa/af on 24/7 to play a game you know. If you can't enjoy a game with a slight dial in graphics, you aren't playing a game to play a game, you're playing to look at eye candy.

[Casheti]

Yea but I can't even play the new Colin McRae. My card doesn't even run it because it's SM3.0 only, and my X1300 is too weak to play it even on 800x600 all low settings. Lags like fuck.

This is the reason you have to upgrade. I can't even play new games anymore. It's ridiculous. A 360 won't give me this kind of harsh treatment.

It's going to be like this forever, upgrade after upgrade. I can't afford this...

As for the comment about eye candy, it's completely not true. You can become A LOT more immersed in a game if it looks realistic, than if every bad guy is a square.

Take FEAR as an example. It's not scary without the lighting effects and creepy shadows. Looks terrible on lower settings. I can't get scared by little creepy square girl.

"Ohhh look at me, I'm gonna hurt you with my shapes!!" *stabs you with rectangle hand*

[DaMulta]

If you upgrade right, you only have to every 3 years or so. I can't belive we have a PC gamer leaving us:shadedshu

I gamed PC thru my younger years too. Consoles suck after you get used to PC. Belive me I have tried to go back and it's not happening.
----
PSP is the best portable IMO because it can play MP3s, Games, and Movies.

[Casheti]

Nooooo I'm coming back to PC's when I get a steady income. But for now consoles seem better for my pocket. :D

When the time is right, I will build a completely new rig, which like you say only has to be upgraded every few years...

If I wanted I could just buy an 8800 GTS 320MB and game like no tomorrow (even though my CPU stucks it would still pwn), but then I need a new PSU to power THAT, and the upgrade loop starts all over.

Or I could just buy an X1950XTX and new CPU + Mobo, but I just don't see my money going into this thing as a good investment. I need to start from ground up.

Maybe later on this year I'll build a new rig.

[DaMulta]

Like my friend. He has a 3200+ 64, X1800XT and 2 gigs of DDR 400 2-2-2-5. He can play every game there is out now on Max still. Granted he plays on 1280x768 but some games he plays at 1600X1280 he played oblivion(Few slow downs) at 1600X1200 for ever untill he went HDR/AA which he plays that at 1024x768. He also plays FEAR at 1600X1280 with everything on max and has few slow downs.

The X1950PRO is faster than his card, and you can get his CPU for 30USD. Heck you can get a CPU/Motherboard for 60 USD and the video card for around 100-130 USD NEW. Memory cost about 100 for 2 gigs of the normal DDR2 or DDR.

[freaksavior]

converting videos for the ipod takes me a lil over an hour with my D 945 clocked to 3.8.

Nero 7 is your best friend on it too!

You use
Nero,
Dvd region+css free

convert the dvd to mpeg4

[Casheti]

Urgh I hate Nero, that programs gives me hassle every time I use it.

I'll just get a 3rd party coverter.

Even now that the program is uninstalled, I STILL get errors relating to Nero.

Never again will I use that bag of crap.

[Chewy]

Because you have an iPod Video (from what it seems), is there any sort of skip protection for running and jumping about and such?


nope, it dont skip ever I think its like 25 min anti skip or something lol eg.running for 25 mins, but even tha it never skipped on me.

If I was to by today I would go psp, hell I think its even droped in price in the UK and the USA, not in Canada though :(. The screen is a huge bonus for watching movies/tv clips, you should try and test one out for gamming I dont find em that bad at all control wise.. only thing ipod beats it at is as a music player because of size/portability.

[Casheti]

Like my friend. He has a 3200+ 64, X1800XT and 2 gigs of DDR 400 2-2-2-5. He can play every game there is out now on Max still. Granted he plays on 1280x768 but some games he plays at 1600X1280 he played oblivion(Few slow downs) at 1600X1200 for ever untill he went HDR/AA which he plays that at 1024x768. He also plays FEAR at 1600X1280 with everything on max and has few slow downs.

The X1950PRO is faster than his card, and you can get his CPU for 30USD. Heck you can get a CPU/Motherboard for 60 USD and the video card for around 100-130 USD NEW. Memory cost about 100 for 2 gigs of the normal DDR2 or DDR.

It all sounds very good but my mind is made up.

You'll lose me for about a year max :)

Try not to cry ;_;

[DaMulta]

http://flydamnit.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/1150312932600.jpg


They don't have cookies...They are lying about that, because we have all the cookies.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Yea but I can't even play the new Colin McRae. My card doesn't even run it because it's SM3.0 only, and my X1300 is too weak to play it even on 800x600 all low settings. Lags like fuck.


Then don't bother with it, Its probably a waste of time :D

As for graphics, if a game can't immerse you without "looking good" then... imo, the game isn't worth playing.

Doom 3 will scare you wether you're playing at 800x600 or 1600x1200. THAT is how you make a game.

[Casheti]

OMG I remember Cookie Monster from Sesame Street!

I used to get up at 6am every morning and watch that...

[Dippyskoodlez]

nope, it dont skip ever I think its like 25 min anti skip or something lol eg.running for 25 mins, but even tha it never skipped on me.



Shouldn't run with Ipod mini's, or ipod video's. They're hard drive based. While you -probably- wont cause any problems, its quite possible to harm the hard drive.

The nanos and shuffles are solid state. That means, you can ride the space shuttle. :roll:

[Casheti]

Then don't bother with it, Its probably a waste of time :D

As for graphics, if a game can't immerse you without "looking good" then... imo, the game isn't worth playing.

Doom 3 will scare you wether you're playing at 800x600 or 1600x1200. THAT is how you make a game.

Nooo I love racing games.

FlatOut 2 owns! Especially online destruction derbies lmfao..

[Dippyskoodlez]

Nooo I love racing games.

FlatOut 2 owns! Especially online destruction derbies lmfao..

Plenty for the pc! ;)

Hell, I beat NFSMW originally on an X200M.

Its quite playable and rather enjoyable.

[Casheti]

But "rather" does not cut it my friend..

"Ultra" enjoyable does... MMMMMMHMMMMMMMMM

:p

[Casheti]

Shouldn't run with Ipod mini's, or ipod video's. They're hard drive based. While you -probably- wont cause any problems, its quite possible to harm the hard drive.

The nanos and shuffles are solid state. That means, you can ride the space shuttle. :roll:

I might lightly run around and play football n shiz.

[Dippyskoodlez]

But "rather" does not cut it my friend..

"Ultra" enjoyable does... MMMMMMHMMMMMMMMM

:p

Well you won't get this from a console with racing games.

Ever try it?

You get like 17fps. the controls are painfully bad.

[Casheti]

Well from the days I used to race on consoles I found it really cool...

[Chewy]

I say get a 1950pro when the price comes down, but either way dont sell you pc.. maybe upgrade your card than sell the old one to buy a mp3 player.. there are plenty other great cheaper mp3 players.. here I seen a nice samsung 1 gig models on sale for 50$ from 180$ last week.. mind you they sold out quick lol but I see deals like this alot. samsung makes nice phones mp3 hummmz... everthings lol. but they make some wicked phones so I think thier mp3s would rock too.

I got 2 years left on the warranty for my ipod video :) I beat the thing around a fair amount without problems... I sprint alot with it loose in my napsack.. I sprint real fast. Ipods are tuff enough in my view.

[Casheti]

Putting any more money into this worthless piece of $|-|17 is just pointless. Starting from scratch will be a much better option.

And I'm kinda fixed on the idea of movies on the go, as well as a huge hard drive for all my music :D

Also I reckon iPod stock headphones are the bomb!! Plenty of bass... (I'm a bass fanatic)

[DaMulta]

I'll tell you what. I love my mini disc player. That thing never skips( I can bang it on my desk hard over and over) and you can put 6 cds per disc. You run out of room you put in another disc. Not like a I-pod or what ever when you run out of room you have to delete things.

Sony mini disc = Love

[Casheti]

Can't run out of room on a hard drive that big though.. lol

I'm only getting the 30GB Model but that is plenty.

[anticlutch]

Even though I like the PS3 better, out of these two I voted for the xbox. Ipod = the epitome of failure in respect to MP3/video players.

But since you have that much money... why not a decent C2D processor?

[Casheti]

Even though I like the PS3 better, out of these two I voted for the xbox. Ipod = the epitome of failure in respect to MP3/video players.

But since you have that much money... why not a decent C2D processor?

Why do you think the iPod is a failure?

And I don't want to upgrade the PC because it will make me stay indoors too much and I can't afford to upgrade. One leads to another etc..

[DaMulta]

Can't run out of room on a hard drive that big though.. lol

I'm only getting the 30GB Model but that is plenty.

Oh yes you can

[anticlutch]

Hm.. just some things that they (Apple) have yet to fix on any iPod: 1. A more durable case (it scratches so easily it's not even funny) 2. Integrated FM/ voice recorder 3. Battery life ('nuff said) 4. Slow interface 5. Little support for formats other than mp3 and WAV 6. Video playback (if you can even call it that...) 7. Crappy sound, etc.


If you really, really want to get an MP3 player, take a look at some of the other brands that are available. Products from Samsung, iRiver, Cowon, Sandisk, Sony, Toshiba, Microsoft are all much better than than the iPod in my opinion. And as an added benefit, you won't seem like a bandwagoner if you buy something other than an iPod :P

[Casheti]

DaMulta I keep thinking you're some really hot girl who is replying to my thread...

I look forward to your avatar everytime :D

[Casheti]

Hm.. just some things that they (Apple) have yet to fix on any iPod: 1. A more durable case (it scratches so easily it's not even funny) 2. Integrated FM/ voice recorder 3. Battery life ('nuff said) 4. Slow interface 5. Little support for formats other than mp3 and WAV 6. Video playback (if you can even call it that...) 7. Crappy sound, etc.


If you really, really want to get an MP3 player, take a look at some of the other brands that are available. Products from Samsung, iRiver, Cowon, Sandisk, Sony, Toshiba, Microsoft are all much better than than the iPod in my opinion. And as an added benefit, you won't seem like a bandwagoner if you buy something other than an iPod :P

I tend to use the word "sheep" in place of bandwagoner. To be honest I can see some of your points, but the new iPods have improved battery life. I think the sound is excellent, to me at least.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Even though I like the PS3 better, out of these two I voted for the xbox. Ipod = the epitome of failure in respect to MP3/video players.




Epitome of failure?

The ipod is probably one of if not THE most successful technological product EVER MADE. :wtf:

The iPod has DEFINED an ENTIRE market.

The iPod has brought digital devices to a whole new level.

how is that failure?!! The fact that a fruity company made it, so it has to be bad?

You do realize that the Ps3 is an epitome of failure, right? ;)

[anticlutch]

Meh. Go for it then... my first mp3 player was an iPod and I thought the sound was awesome until I tested out other brands at a store. Once I bought my iRiver and Cowon mp3 players, I couldn't go back to the crappy sound that my iPod put out (which is why it's gathering dust on my shelf).

edit @ Dippy: Yes, in respects to business, it is THE product of the decade. Compared to other products on the market however, the iPod's shortcomings are VERY obvious. I wasn't trying to be an anti-Apple fanboy; I tried the iPod and I hated it because I found much, much better quality products from other companies.

[Casheti]

I'd buy it if I lived in USA :p

[Jimmy 2004]

As the ipod is the # 1 music player in the wolrd,

I do not like them for this reason

#1 everyone has one
#2 i hate itunes, as you lose your music, you CAN NOT re download it.
#3 apple stuff is proprietary
#4 videos can be a pain in the ass to get on it.


idk, it's mostly just me i think. My borther hates them as well, my dad has one though

All you have to do is send them an email and they let you download it again.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Meh. Go for it then... my first mp3 player was an iPod and I thought the sound was awesome until I tested out other brands at a store. Once I bought my iRiver and Cowon mp3 players, I couldn't go back to the crappy sound that my iPod put out (which is why it's gathering dust on my shelf).

I upgraded from an Iriver cd player :laugh:

Gotta admit though, that was a nice cd player.

[Chewy]

Hm.. just some things that they (Apple) have yet to fix on any iPod: 1. A more durable case (it scratches so easily it's not even funny) 2. Integrated FM/ voice recorder 3. Battery life ('nuff said) 4. Slow interface 5. Little support for formats other than mp3 and WAV 6. Video playback (if you can even call it that...) 7. Crappy sound, etc.


If you really, really want to get an MP3 player, take a look at some of the other brands that are available. Products from Samsung, iRiver, Cowon, Sandisk, Sony, Toshiba, Microsoft are all much better than than the iPod in my opinion. And as an added benefit, you won't seem like a bandwagoner if you buy something other than an iPod :P


Yep some good points there, with an Ipod you Have to buy a silicone case, no fm, I dont find it slow well only if you have to reset it, I did not find thier headphones the greatest many people seem to use them ... thier ok I use good Sony ones. Iriver has had the best sound of any mp3 player I have tried (could vary in models). screen is kinda small but it works.

[anticlutch]

The iRiver H320 was probably THE best mp3 player ever made... it's such a shame that it was discontinued though :(

[Dippyskoodlez]

Hm.. just some things that they (Apple) have yet to fix on any iPod: 1. A more durable case (it scratches so easily it's not even funny) 2. Integrated FM/ voice recorder 3. Battery life ('nuff said) 4. Slow interface 5. Little support for formats other than mp3 and WAV 6. Video playback (if you can even call it that...) 7. Crappy sound, etc.


1.) www.iskin.com- Nuff said.
2.) Theres an FM reciever. I wouldn't want one. why? I'm using an ipod to AVOID radio stations.
3.) Battery life.. you mean 16 hours on a normal ipod, and >24 on a shuffle aren't enough? Damn dude.
4.) slow? eh? Its effective. Theres no slowdown.. and compare it to some of the generic mp3 player's interfaces... notice they try to copy it? wonder why.
5.) Ipod linux. You can play everything prettymuch. Even OGG.
7.) you're jogging. Do you really need ZOMG 8.1 SURROUND SOUND DOOD!

[wataMG42]

if your set on buying a mp3 player buy one but dont buy an ipod.i recently bought an creative zen v plus.i went into the shop ready to buy an ipod shuffle came out with a 4gig video playing zen:) for the same price.so if i was u i would go for a cheaper better brand and spend the left over money on beer :toast:

[Dippyskoodlez]

if your set on buying a mp3 player buy one but dont buy an ipod.i recently bought an creative zen v plus.i went into the shop ready to buy an ipod shuffle came out with a 4gig video playing zen:) for the same price.so if i was u i would go for a cheaper better brand and spend the left over money on beer :toast:

$70?

Damn where? :eek:

[anticlutch]

Debating with someone who failed to see the shortcomings of iPods...fun :)

1. Other mp3 players do not need cases to remain scratch free. iPods are so scratch prone that the cases themselves, ironically, will scratch the front and back (which admittedly, looks damn sleek :D ). My Cowon (iAudio) X5 does not need a case; the only way to scratch it is to use a key or a LOT of coins (assuming that it is put in a pocket with those two)

2. Why wouldn't you FM radio and voice recording included? All the other MP3 players included it as a standard feature; Apple is one of the few companies that make you pay a premium for it.

3. 16 hours with no backlight, lowest volume, short tracks, no equalizer, and no browsing for music? No thanks.

4. Slow? Yeah, some are, some aren't. Both of mine were, and most of my friends' iPods were too (most being at least 70%).

5. Void your warranty much? And even if the loading of custom software doesn't void your warranty, that's an extra hassle to go through if you want to play lossless codecs (Apple here, again, forces you to do extra things in order to get the features you want while the majority of other companies include support for other formats as a standard).

6. OMGYESINEED8.1SURROUNDSOUNDNAO!. I was referring to the sound quality, not the sound output. Quality here means clear, undistorted sound with accurate reproduction of high and low frequencies, not how many channels it can output. As of now, I know for sure that most Samsung and iRiver players ship with a customizable equalizer built in; all Cowon (iAudio) mp3 players are shipped with the feature standard.

And fyi, your numbering is out of order ;)

[Chewy]

the batt life is ok on the 30gig model with the light not at 100% I get about 8-9 hours half brightness 5 sec timer.. even watching movies I dont want 100% backlight and I switch songs alot at work still get over 8 hours use well lets say 7-9 since I do take a lunch break.

The sound is decent on the ipod, nothing spectacular like Iriver but you wont notice and get useed to ipod (I switched) most Irivers friggin owna nd are damm near undestructable I lost one on my lawn for 2 weeks.. it rained a fair bit durring that 2 weeks and when I found it.. I didnt even have to wait for it to dry.. it turned on and was still working perfect! lost it a couple weeks after that though lol

FM tuner is a nice extra, it costs extra for ipod though as many things lol

You can find a better budget mp3 player that wont cost you much nowadays at least here in Canada, but 30 gigs rules.


Edit: the updated firmware for ipod lets you ajeust the brightness of your backlight.. that made me happy :) saves alot of batt life.

[Dippyskoodlez]

And fyi, your numbering is out of order ;)

1.) cases are nice.

2.) because I don't use either of those features. Those are exactly why I bought an ipod. I didn't buy it to do those, because I don't to it, and neither do a large majority of people. Its all flash and little use.

3.) I used my ipod shuffle for over 3 weeks driving to and from work for an hour every day and didn't charge it. Its a little over the size of a golden dollar. If you're like a normal user you plug your ipod into a computer often enough to keep it topped off, and NEVER run out of battery life.

4.)slow? Something's broken. I've used/owned 3 original ipods, a mini, the original nano, a new nano, a new shuffle, and a video. I'll admit the video is kinda sluggish when messing with videos, but thats TBE on a small device. It is a hard drive after all.
5.) it doesn;t void your warranty, unless you idiocally manage to brick it beyond repair (which means you're an idiot). Also, what other mp3 player runs linux? Plays doom? NONE.

6.) This will depend on what music you listen to. Classical? Maybe theres a difference. Something 90% of the TARGET AUDIENCE listens to? No different. Audio quality is quite relational as to what one prefers, what one is capable of hearing, and what you're listening to. You do know you can listen to things in best buy right?

The audio quality argument is the biggest crock of shit thats been invented in arguing which is better, because like women, there are many preferences!

Some people have a strange obsession with feet.

Some people have an obsurdly annoying obsession with making the bass in your car break its window. That certainly doesn't sound "decent".

Also note: 2 out of every 5000 americans know how to use an equilizer. The second just likes to mess with the bars and claims to know how to use it.



and yes, Bullet 6 was intended to be blank! :roll:

[anticlutch]

Meh. You'll never change your view about the iPod and neither will I... so here's the last response I'll give.

1. Not having to spend extras on cases is even nicer.
2. Sure, you may not use it but it's a feature that should have been included (Apple needs to up the ante as most other mp3 players include an FM tuner + voice recording). Including a FM tuner/voice recording is like extras on cars; If you bought a Mercedes, wouldn't you want a GPS if ALL the other car companies provided them as a standard feature? Same thing here.
3. "Topping off" your battery will shorten the already short battery lifespan fyi. And Shuffles do not count as they are flash-based, and do not include a screen. iPod 30gb's have hard drives and a relatively large screen that sucks up battery life. Keep it an apples-to-apples (no pun intended) comparison, please.
4. Hm.. not really. My first one was fine in the beginning up until the 10gb mark (out of 15gb [3rd gen]). Then it started to slow down and randomly lock up... the cherry on top was when the iPod got scratched when I left it on my desk without it being touched or moved in any way. The second one lasted a bit longer; after it started to slow down I got fed up and bought an iRiver mp3 player. Whenever I use my friends' iPods, they lag like no other. I guess for some people it would seem acceptable, but to me, if I paid $300+ for an electronic device I expect it to run flawlessly, or at least very close to it.

5. I won't bother to check the EULA/Warranty info for iPods but I'm pretty sure loading custom software voids your warranty, much like how OC'ing your processor voids its warranty. And may I ask why you're playing Doom on your iPod? You don't listen to radio, nor do you browse through your music but you play Doom on your iPod... nice.

6. I do not consider myself to be an audiophile, yet even I can tell the difference between the muddy crap the iPod puts out and clear sound that my other mp3 players put out. And yes, I do know that I can test mp3 players out at Best Buy as that's how I found out how crappy the iPod sounded in the first place! :)

[Dippyskoodlez]

2. Sure, you may not use it but it's a feature that should have been included (Apple needs to up the ante as most other mp3 players include an FM tuner + voice recording). Including a FM tuner/voice recording is like extras on cars; If you bought a Mercedes, wouldn't you want a GPS if ALL the other car companies provided them as a standard feature? Same thing here.

Again, target market. Thats what matters.

3. "Topping off" your battery will shorten the already short battery lifespan fyi. And Shuffles do not count as they are flash-based, and do not include a screen. iPod 30gb's have hard drives and a relatively large screen that sucks up battery life. Keep it an apples-to-apples comparison, please.

You do know lithium ion batterys go through "cycles" right? Most people are still ignorant to this type of battery.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm
Priming will make little difference because the maximum capacity of lithium-ion is available right from the beginning. Neither does a full discharge improve the capacity of a faded pack.

if I paid $300+ for an electronic device I expect it to run flawlessly, or at least very close to it.

You're the first person I've ever seen claim an ipod lags.

5. I won't bother to check the EULA/Warranty info for iPods but I'm pretty sure loading custom software voids your warranty, much like how OC'ing your processor voids its warranty. And may I ask why you're playing Doom on your iPod? You don't listen to radio, nor do you browse through your music but you play Doom on your iPod... nice.

Possibly. but if you mess up linux, all you have to do is plug it into the computer, run apple updator, and VOILA. Just as if you pulled it out of the box.

but yes, i play doom on my Ipod. why? because its fun as hell. It gives a whole new perspective on the game with the ipod controls.

I browse through my music probably more than anyone. I have -never- had any issues. and i try to avoid the radio as much as possible. I'm not alone. My friends do the exact same thing I do. Use an ipod instead.

6. I do not consider myself to be an audiophile, yet even I can tell the difference between the muddy crap the iPod puts out and clear sound that my other mp3 players put out. And yes, I do know that I can test mp3 players out at Best Buy as that's how I found out how crappy the iPod sounded in the first place! :)

Again, 100% pure speculation, and OPINION.

IMO my macbook pro sounds much better than every sound card I've ever heard.

WIll everyone say that? No.

Will many others? Yes.

[Wile E]

Can't run out of room on a hard drive that big though.. lol

I'm only getting the 30GB Model but that is plenty.I have the 80GB model cash, and I have to delete stuff. You'll eventually collect enough movies and music to fill it.

Also, when you rip CDs to it. (I know you don't buy many. lol) Use AAC, it sounds much better than mp3.

DVDfab Platinum will also convert dvd's to iPod.




@Anticlutch - as for the sound issue - www.rockbox.org.

The problem with iPod's audio quality is related to it's eq. Don't use them and it sounds better. And the UI isn't slow. Mine responds immediately. Even my 20GB 3rd gen responds immediately. There must be something wrong with yours.

It's fine that you don't like iPods, but they are not bad products, like you're making them out to be. Plus, no other player on the market has as many accessories available to them.

[pt]

ipods here are overpriced compared to creative or other brands, and i like having fm too (so as most ppl i know)

[Casheti]

Okay first off, I'm very proud of this heated debate you have produced, and there's some real useful advice in here which will come in handy very soon.

Anticlutch, I am intruiged as to what you mean by "lossless codecs". Explain?

2nd, Thanks for the battery advice and the firmware tip, I'll keep that in mind.

3rd, Dippy, am I right in thinking your link is telling people no matter how you treat/charge your battery, the life will always be the same? Please explain.

4th, DOOM on my iPod?? I must know how to do this!!

5th, I have experienced lag using a friend's iPod Video, but I think that can be classed as "loading times" more than lag itself.

6th, I have used numerous iPods before, from friends etc.. and I've always found the sound quality very much enjoyable, although I think the new earbud headphones are terrible compared to 1st generation ones.

7th. Wile_E, are you saying if I convert my music to AAC it will sound better than mp3?? If so, explain..

8th, Again @ Wile_E, what is this about the iPod's "eq"? I don't understand what you mean here, and the fact you used the word "problem" isn't too comforting. What do you mean by "don't use them" also?

And finally, 9th, what is this rockbox firmware link that you have provided supposed to do?

Thanks for all the replies so far guys, it's been a great help.

[Wile E]

iPod also has a lossless codec. It's called Apple Lossless. You can rip your CDs to it if you wish, but it does take up more space. Most of my CDs are in Apple Lossless for mine, my favorites I just rip as AIFF files (basically the same as .wav, zero compression)

If your files are already mp3, leave them as such. Cross encoding to a different format actually hurts the music, as it's being compressed twice. But if you are ripping directly from a CD, use iTunes to make them an AAC file instead of an mp3. They sound much better for the same bitrate. If space isn't a huge concern, Apple Lossless would sound even better.

As far as the EQ, i'm talking about the equalizer. Setting it to a Bass heavy setting like Rock or Bass Boost actually causes distortion, because whoever decided on the settings needs to be slapped.

The Rockbox firmware is basically a new OS for your iPod. Fully customizable, and the EQ settings can be set completely custom, you don't have to use factory presets. You can even change the frequencies the eq alters. IE: instead of the first slider being set to only adjust sound at 50HZ, you can set it to change 40Hz or 100Hz or whatever you want. Full sound control. You'll have to dual boot tho, cause rockbox doesn't play videos, iirc.

[JrRacinFan]

TBH Cash, I heard a price cut is underway for the 360 BUT, unsure if its only in the states or not. Like many others stated Wii + Nano or a PSP.

Oh and just to prove a point, the wii is not made to set gamebreaking graphics, it is strictly there for gameplay and games for the whole family.

But as my final opinion/suggestion, it would be a PSP.

[Chewy]

I beleive rockbox is firmware to give most mp3 players better sound (drivers?).

and I must/need to know about this doom on my ipod!

what dippy meant by no matter how you treat your batt, you can charge it anytime and it never needs to be fully drained to make it last longer like some batterys.

on another note I got my cam working and I will be adding my fav snack to that snack thread after I have a game or 2 :D.. I just ate one and they pwn.

[Dippyskoodlez]

3rd, Dippy, am I right in thinking your link is telling people no matter how you treat/charge your battery, the life will always be the same? Please explain.

4th, DOOM on my iPod?? I must know how to do this!!


Lithium ion batterys charge in cycles, as long as you aren't voltage/current abusing the battery, life span should not be greatly hampered by "topping off" relativly often. Nickel batterys are what caused this "belief" to come around, where those WILL lose life span greatly when charged incorrectly without draining, etc.

As for doom on your ipod, google "ipod linux"..

Its terribly easy these days :)

But theres not only doom. Theres a TON of stuff you can do with ipod linux.

[Wile E]

Lithium ion batterys charge in cycles, as long as you aren't voltage/current abusing the battery, life span should not be greatly hampered by "topping off" relativly often. Nickel batterys are what caused this "belief" to come around, where those WILL lose life span greatly when charged incorrectly without draining, etc.

As for doom on your ipod, google "ipod linux"..

Its terribly easy these days :)

But theres not only doom. Theres a TON of stuff you can do with ipod linux.
Even the Lithium batteries are prone to "memory", so to speak, Dippy. It's just not as bad as the old NiCad batteries.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Even the Lithium batteries are prone to "memory", so to speak, Dippy. It's just not as bad as the old NiCad batteries.

well yeah ofcourse it is, but its safe enough to not make a big enough difference.

[anticlutch]

well yeah ofcourse it is, but its safe enough to not make a big enough difference.

Topping off does have its drawbacks if you look at cell phones however. People who top off their battery every night tend to kill their battery faster than those who wait until there is very little charge left before charging it up.

and Cash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless#Audio_compression

Basically it sounds better than mp3's with the drawback of taking up more space.


And Wile E, I guess it's just me then. I'm very meticulate about everything and I hate how iPods have so many flaws. W/e though. All I tried to do was to point out those flaws, and let Casheti know about other brands.

As far as the EQ, i'm talking about the equalizer. Setting it to a Bass heavy setting like Rock or Bass Boost actually causes distortion, because whoever decided on the settings needs to be slapped.
The Rock setting is the only EQ setting I actually thought was halfway decent :laugh:

[Dippyskoodlez]

Topping off does have its drawbacks if you look at cell phones however. People who top off their battery every night tend to kill their battery faster than those who wait until there is very little charge left before charging it up.




I plug my razr in almost every night.

I've had it for a year and a half.

It still holds a 2week charge when i'm traveling.

(I'm a pro at bringing the wrong usb cable, or just forgetting my charger!)

[Casheti]

This advice is all very useful thanks for all so far :D (I will go handing out thanks later when I'm bored)

[anticlutch]

I plug my razr in almost every night.

I've had it for a year and a half.

It still holds a 2week charge when i'm traveling.

(I'm a pro at bringing the wrong usb cable, or just forgetting my charger!)

That's really odd... my sister, who had the same phone as I did, topped hers off every night and had to replace the battery while mine is still going (it's been about 2 years now). W/e... must have been a bad battery I guess :P

[Dippyskoodlez]

That's really odd... my sister, who had the same phone as I did, topped hers off every night and had to replace the battery while mine is still going (it's been about 2 years now). W/e... must have been a bad battery I guess :P

Possibly.

I love my phone to death. :)

My mom has one too, and its also perfectly fine battery wise, except it cycles 2-3 times a week because of how much she uses it.

[Casheti]

Should be getting it sometime this week or next week.

w00t! :D

[Casheti]

Okay I got a great deal from a mate, iPod Mini all working and everything, £10.

I got it right now, it's just synchronised, how can I optimise this thing for sound etc???

[jennylee324]

:laugh: yea, for workout music, you basically need hard-hitting euro-dance music.... nothing else does the job really. Search around on itunes for "euro club hits" or check this link: :toast: http://electricfilebox.com/tracks :nutkick: