AMD Phenom Gaming System Revealed

[HellasVagabond]

The guys over at Gizmodo got a hold of AMD's newest quad core system. The rig seems quite impressive while it also uses two ATI X2900XTs. Its not much of a review but it's still better than nothing.
We just got the chance to play around with AMD's newest quad core system, the Phenom RD790 and a pair of ATI HD2900XT graphics processors. There's a whole lot of cooling going on, thanks to John Woo's new game Stranglehold. AMD is still mum on pricing and final specs, though they did reaffirm their desire to ship this sucker in "early Q4" of this year, so like October? The system managed the Havoc physics engine with ease, jumping into sepia-toned "tequila" time and into a zoom mode that gave a bullet's eye view of the action. Lack of specs notwithstanding, the experience was mesmerizing, right up to the point where one of the bad guys in the game took a bullet in the nuts, and I actually felt his pain. Wanna see?

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Source: GizModo (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gallery/amd-quad-core-phenom-gaming-system-in-the-flesh-and-blood-280245.php)

[DrunkenMafia]

shit is there a mb in t here

[demonbrawn]

Wow... That setup would cost more than my car is worth :laugh:

[crow1001]

Wooohoooo, there using my case, not my actual case but the same model.:cool:

[Atech]

Bitmap? Jeez, PNG' them up! :rolleyes:

[russianboy]

AMD "Now with more nuts!"

[TXcharger]

yawn

[pbmaster]

yawn

You have a Pentium 4 lol, I wouldn't be talking.

[crow1001]

You have a Pentium 4 lol, I wouldn't be talkin
Well its obviouse the guy has no interest in new technology, he owns a dell.:roll:

[TXcharger]

haha um no i own a dell case because i had to rebuild the dell lol but ya

and the pentium 4 was one of the best processors ever made :cool:

and if i can get some money my next rig will blow that "phenom" away...

penryn>phenom :nutkick:

[Ben Clarke]

Damn, Crow beat me to dissing Dell :(

[pbmaster]

LOL @ the comment about the P4 being good

[DRDNA]

LOL @ the comment about the P4 being good

DITTO;):rolleyes::rolleyes:

[russianboy]

agreed

[TXcharger]

ok well maybe i over exaggerated a little bit... but... uh... they're popular? lol

[nflesher87]

ok well maybe i over exaggerated a little bit... but... uh... they're popular? lol

lol wow you took that

[pbmaster]

Huh? Who is taking what?

[nflesher87]

Huh? Who is taking what?

lol:
1. He praised Pentium 4 :respect:**Pentium 4**
2. You guys laid the smack down on him. :nutkick:
3. He took it like a little girl :o and is now :respect: **you guys**
:)

[TXcharger]

now way man i was just being respectful, but when the pentium 4 was the big thing... it was the fastest processor available and totally kicked any amd processor's socket(haha instead of ass...i was being creative) that was out

[suraswami]

now way man i was just being respectful, but when the pentium 4 was the big thing... it was the fastest processor available and totally kicked any amd processor's socket(haha instead of ass...i was being creative) that was out

That was the greatest joke ever. P4 had no nuts to stand even close to A64s. Just the Shadow of A64 will piss P4s pants:roll:

[russianboy]

ditto

[mandelore]

OMFG LMFAO @ post #19

[pbmaster]

I think we can all agree here that TX got pwned, along with those silly Pentium 4's.

[TXcharger]

i will be the one laughing when amd goes down the drain(except they will drag ati with them)

how much did they lose last quarter?

[Atech]

i will be the one laughing when amd goes down the drain(except they will drag ati with them)

how much did they lose last quarter?
Ignoratio elenchi/irrelevant conclusion. That doesn't affect whether the P4 was a POS or not. Which it was.

[pbmaster]

I think it's funny how you got tolly pwned and keep denying it.

[kwchang007]

i will be the one laughing when amd goes down the drain(except they will drag ati with them)

how much did they lose last quarter?

Millions. Don't be a huge fanboy....competition is better for all of us. It drives prices down and forces chipmakers to release faster and better cpu's more often. If it was only Intel, I bet we would still be on Netburst.....

[mandelore]

txcharger scraping for insults ^^

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

amd scraping for power

[pbmaster]

OH OH is that a challenge?? I can take you!!

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

ur pc pwns mine .. duh ... plus the weather we've been having is bugging out my overclock ...

[pbmaster]

Indeed it does, but that's not what I was saying. I was just poking fun at this whole thread.

[nflesher87]

yeah this thread went downhill after like 3 posts haha

[pbmaster]

Yeah it did lol...but we are all having fun here(well, except TX LOL) so it's not so bad.

[Chewy]

I had a p4.. I had wished that dell elc actually used some good proccys lol, I thought p4 was good way back when most pre-builts came with them.. god was I wrong :P it works ok with a nvidia 6600 card, above that and it will bottleneck. :D

[nflesher87]

I had a p4.. I had wished that dell elc actually used some good proccys lol, I thought p4 was good way back when most pre-builts came with them.. god was I wrong :P it works ok with a nvidia 6600 card, above that and it will bottleneck. :D

haha wow...that's pretty bad

[TXcharger]

my pentium 4 works just dandy :)

granted ive never used a amd processor... but that was because i thought it would turn me into a communist

o and i like this thread... its a bunch of crazy amd fanboys who cant stand the fact that theyr company just aint what it used to be

[HellasVagabond]

Relax guys....Dont give an excuse to lock this thread.

[Sovereign]

i will be the one laughing when amd goes down the drain(except they will drag ati with them)

how much did they lose last quarter?

Will never happen and thats not just an opinion. Lets use Apple for example... How many times have so called "experts" predicted the downfall of Apple in the past? How many times was Apple able to dig themselves out and get their heads back up above water? AMD is just like Apple in that it is finding itself constantly the "underdog" in the industry yet they find a way to produce something worthwhile that people end up buying regardless of what the competition has to offer.

Also, you just lost any credibility when you said that the P4 was the best CPU at the time. I bet Intel will even tell you that they dropped the ball with the P4 when compared to it's rival counterparts, the XP and A64 series. And now your calling out the so called "AMD Fanbois" all the while portraying yourself as a just as bad "Intel Fanboi."

Stop embarrassing yourself already and just leave. :wtf:

Oh, and sorry to Hellas for dragging this on further...

[HellasVagabond]

Apple is Apple....You CANT have Macs without Apple thus you cant have most professional applications working...Its a monopoly....However you CAN have PCs without AMD....

[WarEagleAU]

looks like that mobo is choc full of hearty goodness.

I cant wait to see the prelims and final specs on the phenom processors.

[kwchang007]

my pentium 4 works just dandy :)

granted ive never used a amd processor... but that was because i thought it would turn me into a communist

o and i like this thread... its a bunch of crazy amd fanboys who cant stand the fact that theyr company just aint what it used to be

No it's not all a bunch of amd fanboys. I have a c2d and I cheer for whoever has the processor. It was true the early P4's were better than the amd competition, but amd eventually raped intel's p4.

Notebooks it's very different, besides the mobile P4, intel has always been superior to amd in notebooks. Look at now, just look at the super pi 1m thread and see where I come, you'll be very surprised.

Point is, this isn't all fanboys, it's people telling that you are wrong, p4 was the worst architecture ever, it was more than 2x (I think) less efficient than a p3. It took something lik,e a 2.13 ghz p4 to beat a 1ghz p3, that's impressive on the p3 side. So for your knowledge, p4 is horrible, just plain horrible so was p d, all netburst sucked. End of story, don't blame this kind of bashing on fanboys, it's just because you're being ignorant, sorry for putting it so bluntly.

[russianboy]

ewww nutburst.

[p_o_s_pc]

Damn i want a setup like that.That thing would kick some ass.

[TXcharger]

wow somebody posted something relevant to the topic

ya so i officially hijacked this thread... unintentionally

and i have realized i am more of a fan intel than i thought. thank yall for helping me realize this :)

[ex_reven]

That Phenom is in a stacker case :D

[Wile E]

That Phenom is in a stacker case :DFirst thing I noticed as well. Wonder why? :D

[TXcharger]

First thing I noticed as well. Wonder why? :D

cause theyr weak!

haha jk dont want to start this again

i actually think the new stackers are pretty awesome looking

[ex_reven]

I carried mine into school this week...oh my god it was so fking heavy :roll:

At least I did it in style though :cool:

[TXcharger]

I carried mine into school this week...oh my god it was so fking heavy :roll:

At least I did it in style though :cool:

you know your a nerd when heavy lifting refers to transporting your cpu case

[Wile E]

cause theyr weak!You're right, cause your Dimention 3000 case and p4 are so much more 1337 than my X2 and Stacker. /sarcasm :laugh:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[ex_reven]

you know your a nerd when heavy lifting refers to transporting your cpu case

yeah because i bought a case just to transport my cpu

i suppose all my other hardware is in a totally different case? :nutkick:

that is the first, and probably only time i will use the nutkick emoticon :roll:

[Wile E]

you know your a nerd when heavy lifting refers to transporting your cpu caseThese things weigh 40lbs, dry. With all of my components and watercooling, mine tips the scales at 70lbs.

[TXcharger]

You're right, cause your Dimention 3000 case and p4 are so much more 1337 than my X2 and Stacker. /sarcasm :laugh:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

hellz ya, my dell case weighs over 90lbs and my P4 is running at over 8ghz... im a professional :rolleyes:

want to make your life better with zero work on your part? start lying about everything in your life, theres no reason to ever tell the truth

[Wile E]

hellz ya, my dell case weighs over 90lbs and my P4 is running at over 8ghz... im a professional :rolleyes:

want to make your life better with zero work on your part? start lying about everything in your life, theres no reason to ever tell the truthWho's lying about what?

[TXcharger]

Who's lying about what?

....


theres no way my case weights anywhere near 90lbs...

or my processor runs that fast...

or that the p4 is one of the best processors ever...

[ex_reven]

you just confused me...

[FOXCONN1115]

tx for saying his so worthy prescHOTT is at 8ghz. lol

[Wile E]

hellz ya, my dell case weighs over 90lbs and my P4 is running at over 8ghz... im a professional :rolleyes:

want to make your life better with zero work on your part? start lying about everything in your life, theres no reason to ever tell the truthThis post sounded like a personal attack on me. That's why I asked you who you were referring to.

[TXcharger]

no it wasnt... im really tired and i was listening to daniel tosh whos officially funny as heck, and thats part of his thing and i started lying just for kicks cause this thread is already beat to hell

[mandelore]

right... ok.. im just gonna go stand over ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------> here

[Dippyskoodlez]

....


theres no way my case weights anywhere near 90lbs...



Mine weighs very close to 90lbs loaded. :laugh:

I need to put wheels on it.

But then again, solid red oak is just too damn sexy to pass up.

But please get this back close to topic :)

[Wile E]

Mine weighs very close to 90lbs loaded. :laugh:

I need to put wheels on it.

But then again, solid red oak is just too damn sexy to pass up.

But please get this back close to topic :)Wait, there was a point to this thread? Oh yeah, I forgot about that. lol

Anyway, I really hope the Phenom is not a let down. I don't want to see what would happen to AMD if this flops.

[ex_reven]

Wait, there was a point to this thread? Oh yeah, I forgot about that. lol

Anyway, I really hope the Phenom is not a let down. I don't want to see what would happen to AMD if this flops.

I dont see why it should be.
In theory it should be superior to C2D, as it is TRUE dual core.

[Wile E]

I dont see why it should be.
In theory it should be superior to C2D, as it is TRUE dual core.Core2 is a true dual as well. :slap: Are you thinking of quads, by chance? lol

[Dippyskoodlez]

I dont see why it should be.
In theory it should be superior to C2D, as it is TRUE dual core.

"true" doesn't mean better in any way shape or form, really.

In technical terms its "better" because its a unified design.

Performance wise, is completely independent.

[HellasVagabond]

Last time i checked phenom was designed to be on par or even beat C2Ds by a small margin.....It was never designed to go up against Intels latest CPUs thus i think AMD will still be second...
I miss the Athlon x64 days...

[Sovereign]

Last time i checked phenom was designed to be on par or even beat C2Ds by a small margin.....It was never designed to go up against Intels latest CPUs thus i think AMD will still be second...
I miss the Athlon x64 days...

Me thinks you need to check your sources again... :rolleyes: Last time I checked, the current AM2 is already on par with the current C2Ds in their respective price brackets. Example, you take a stock 6000+ @ $169 USD as of July 21st and compare it to a stock E6600 @ $220 USD, both CPUs pretty much trade blows with eachother in benchmarks and real world applications but the 6000+ is at least $50 cheaper... With the new Intel price cuts about to go into effect shortly, the E6600 may or may not be much close in price to the 6000+ but that still dosen't change the fact that both CPUs are on par with eachother @ stock aka real world applications that your average user knows or cares about.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Ok, seriously, no blanket statements in this thread about anything, unless you provide links and/or reliable numbers to back up any claims.

Otherwise this thread is going to derail into the normal amd/intel banter.

[Sovereign]

Ok, seriously, no blanket statements in this thread about anything, unless you provide links and/or reliable numbers to back up any claims.

Otherwise this thread is going to derail into the normal amd/intel banter.

:nutkick:

j/k! :D

Your absolutely correct and I'll refrain from such slip ups in the future.

[Wile E]

Me thinks you need to check your sources again... :rolleyes: Last time I checked, the current AM2 is already on par with the current C2Ds in their respective price brackets. Example, you take a stock 6000+ @ $169 USD as of July 21st and compare it to a stock E6600 @ $220 USD, both CPUs pretty much trade blows with eachother in benchmarks and real world applications but the 6000+ is at least $50 cheaper... With the new Intel price cuts about to go into effect shortly, the E6600 may or may not be much close in price to the 6000+ but that still dosen't change the fact that both CPUs are on par with eachother @ stock aka real world applications that your average user knows or cares about.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to clock for clock comparisons, not so much price.

[HellasVagabond]

I never heard of a single AMD Cpu to go up against C2Ds ( Not talking about the best AMD with the worst C2D ). Any benchmarks to prove this ? And again we aint talking about Price / Performance ratio but pure performance.

[Wile E]

Ok, seriously, no blanket statements in this thread about anything, unless you provide links and/or reliable numbers to back up any claims.

Otherwise this thread is going to derail into the normal amd/intel banter.Oops. I missed it too. Sorry Dip.

[Sovereign]

Ok, seriously, no blanket statements in this thread about anything, unless you provide links and/or reliable numbers to back up any claims.

Otherwise this thread is going to derail into the normal amd/intel banter.Oops. I missed it too. Sorry Dip.

I never heard of a single AMD Cpu to go up against C2Ds ( Not talking about the best AMD with the worst C2D ). Any benchmarks to prove this ? And again we aint talking about Price / Performance ratio but pure performance.

i guess that dosen't apply to "Staff" members... :ohwell:

[HellasVagabond]

There are benchmarks around the internet where C2Ds get above ALL AMDs, even the latest FX so yes it doesnt apply when you have proof.

[zekrahminator]

When the Dippy says to drop it, you listen to the Dippy.

[Sovereign]

There are benchmarks around the internet where C2Ds get above ALL AMDs, even the latest FX so yes it doesnt apply when you have proof.

Whatever... I'm done with the arguement/discussion. :twitch: No sence trying to have a run-in with the local authority, so to speak! :D

Back to topic ; I'm just glad AMD decided to go with backwards compatibility with the Phenom chip! ATM, I'm quite happy with my current DDR2 memory and I think the new Phenom will be too! Besides, green happens to be my favorite color and no, I am not reffering to company loyalty but the actual color green... :D

Oh and Zekky! Did you get my latest PM? It still shows and unread!?!

[Dippyskoodlez]

Oops. I missed it too. Sorry Dip.

clearing up confusion is one thing, but just claiming XX is faster all round, is what I mean.

Much of this thread contains comparisons with a product that hasn't even been benchmarked publicly.

Previous "rumors" or "claims" that a 2ghz Phenom can be used as theoretical roadblocks within a valid point, but is starting to be used as an indefinite proof that the phenom will/would fail.

[HellasVagabond]

Since when did i speak with Rumors ? I only stated that AMD when started on planning the Phenom had only to compare it with C2Ds and not the latest Intel cpus.
On the other hand C2Ds beat whatever AMD has to throw in the ring right now and that is a proven fact not a rumor.

[zekrahminator]

Oh and Zekky! Did you get my latest PM? It still shows and unread!?!

No I didn't, I'm sorry, please re-send it.

[zekrahminator]

Since when did i speak with Rumors ? I only stated that AMD when started on planning the Phenom had only to compare it with C2Ds and not the latest Intel cpus.
On the other hand C2Ds beat whatever AMD has to throw in the ring right now and that is a proven fact not a rumor.

When the Dippy says to drop it, you DROP it.

[mandelore]

but aint most of those where u have to take the intel offering well above its manufacturers settings to outdo the equivalent amd offering? overclocking is a diff matter, intel pwns on overclocking, but on stock for stock isnt amd on top?

[Dippyskoodlez]

but aint most of those where u have to take the intel offering well above its manufacturers settings to outdo the equivalent amd offering? overclocking is a diff matter, intel pwns on overclocking, but on stock for stock isnt amd on top?

Actually I do believe this is part of the problem.

But who runs stock? :cool:

[mandelore]

Actually I do believe this is part of the problem.

But who runs stock? :cool:

well.. thats the thing BUT, stock for stock, AMD kicks ass, but, im not sure WHY amd cant overclock as MUCH. often they have better architechture, but why such low oc overheads?

if amd could oc like intel.. im certain intel would be bleeding from the anus with so much shitting.. alas.. its not gonna happen methinks, but as long as the top end phenoms rape. ill b happy

[Dippyskoodlez]

well.. thats the thing BUT, stock for stock, AMD kicks ass, but, im not sure WHY amd cant overclock as MUCH. often they have better architechture, but why such low oc overheads?

if amd could oc like intel.. im certain intel would be bleeding from the anus with so much shitting.. alas.. its not gonna happen methinks, but as long as the top end phenoms rape. ill b happy

Different designs yield different frequency bottlenecks.

Theres a LOT more that goes into a CPU than just "ALU, FPU, Cache, Memory controller".


Intels overclocking potential is actually very impressive after seeing their heat issues with prescott and how they were handled. They are really doing something well to keep the overclocking trend going.

[mandelore]

Different designs yield different frequency bottlenecks.

Theres a LOT more that goes into a CPU than just "ALU, FPU, Cache, Memory controller".


Intels overclocking potential is actually very impressive after seeing their heat issues with prescott and how they were handled. They are really doing something well to keep the overclocking trend going.

lol yeah, ive got a 3.02 prescHOT in my second rig, and its quite the inferno. However, i swapped to a slightly better intel stock fan and it boots at 35 and loads at 55-60.

My sisters one was a sweaty beast, raging at 70 on stock hs, lol..

[kwchang007]

well.. thats the thing BUT, stock for stock, AMD kicks ass, but, im not sure WHY amd cant overclock as MUCH. often they have better architechture, but why such low oc overheads?

if amd could oc like intel.. im certain intel would be bleeding from the anus with so much shitting.. alas.. its not gonna happen methinks, but as long as the top end phenoms rape. ill b happy

I think part of it is Intel uses a 14 stage pipeline while AMD uses a 11 stage pipeline. Longer stages generally mean a better clock when comparing similar fab techniques. If you look at Netbust, it had a 31 one stage pipeline, but could clock higher than core 2 except that it put off too much heat which limited overclocking headroom.

[psyko12]

Hmm that wonder how much will that uber good rig cost in our country lol I bet it'd be near half a million pesos lmao <over exaggerating> hehehe there goes my 13 mo. pay and a 3 years savings lol :D