half life2 Episode 2 PC vrs 360

[Chewy]

Someone I work with says he seen screen shots of hl2 pc vrs 360 and that all the review sites are saying that the game will look better on 360 :O and that he seen some screens and it does.. now this game was first started on PC I believe and ofc built off a PC so a PC should be able to deliver better graphics than the 360 as long as the game is coded right. he thinks that the 360 can deliver better graphics cause it has 1080p, I'm not fully sure what 1080p does besides give you a higher res than the older tv's.. I never looked much into it.

So what do you guys think. Is HL-2 going to look better than on 360 or on PC.. I thin that whatever site(s) he visited they were not using the right video cards.. maybe an older Nvidia card as ATI used to dominate in picture quality and thats what the 360 uses.

I dont see how a originally PC game will turn out with better detail/graphics on a 360 than on a PC..

Oh this is about Half Life - Episode 2, if you have any links please post I haven't found any when I just did a quick MSN search.. maybe I should try Google.

[Protius]

PC ftw!, i just can't imagine this being better on 360 than PC

[Chewy]

Herte some screen from 360.. I just seen these same ones on some website saying they were from pc but they didnt even know what res they were shot at...
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halflife2episode2/images.html

Yeah I know but he thinks that 360 can give better graphics than a pc LOL. I dont know much anything about this 1080p thing though.. as far as I know it just gives your tv more resolution that it would much need for gaming on a big screen though 360 does expand its picture on tv's differently than a pc.. I forget exactly what it does atm Im kinda in a hurry to eat than hopefully try getting into BF2 finally.. had this game all weekend never touched it once.

[bruins004]

PC graphics are more powerful and all.
However, you have to remember that HL2 is an old game on the PC now.
It was made a while ago and was built for graphic cards and computers around than (which werent as powerful as the XBOX 360).
So if they program the game right than it may look better than the XBOX 360.

However, if they made both versions for todays technology than the PC would kill the XBOX 360.

[x2mA mPn]

PC...

i mean with a pc u can do way more customization as far as graphics go from AA,AF, resolution hell pc can even go 1080p if u wanted it to

1080p i really kinda useless and overhyped everyone says u need it to play your games and it will look much better if u do so (im not saying it dosent but still its a very small change in clarity from regular 720p)

i have without a shadow of a doubt that your computer will run this game on high max settings, it will not look better on the 360 because of restricted hardware that will only optimize the game to the systems specs but on a pc its endless...unless valve just purposly made HL2-EPI2 run much slower on the pc (doubt they did) so IMO choose pc

[mandelore]

lol.......................

pc 4tw everytime, all the time

[Chewy]

yeah but this is about the new and coming Episode 2.. one site I just read said that it wasnt going to be released on pc:rolleyes: though its in the black box/currently renamed orange box for pc that you get a coupon for when you buy a 2900xt. Well Im sure it will be out on pc and I dont see them coding it for 360/ps3 than poorly coding it for pc.

Edit: @ mandelore.. what about Oblivion pc vrs 360 graphics wise.. what can give you better detail/graphics?

[mandelore]

Edit: @ mandelore.. what about Oblivion pc vrs 360 graphics wise.. what can give you better detail/graphics?

Well.. with my spanky 1gb 2900 id say pc :p

lol.. but seriously, with all the mods i got running on oblivion, environmental mods, texture mods, i would have to say pc. plus i run @ 1920x1200 , slightly higher than xbox

[freaksavior]

i honestly think the xbox 360 will give you better graphics for half life as it was designed for the 360 now and half life was then.

[mandelore]

wait.. how is it specifically designed for the 360? since valve /steam is primarily pc based.. and all the previous half life games were pc based

[Chewy]

Ic alot of games are made for consoles and passed on to pc too.. Yes Oblivion pwns with some added detail mods on PC but I was thinking stock.

Ty Freak, I never knew HL-2 Episode 1 was originally for Xbox.. IT was beautiful/is on PC especially with the mods you can add to it on pc.. Im sure with these mods it would pwn the Xbox 1 in graphics.

I really thought Episode 1 was originally for PC :O

[freaksavior]

Ic alot of games are made for consoles and passed on to pc too.. Yes Oblivion pwns with some added detail mods on PC but I was thinking stock.

Ty Freak, I never knew HL-2 Episode 1 was originally for Xbox.. IT was beautiful/is on PC especially with the mods you can add to it on pc.. Im sure with these mods it would pwn the Xbox 1 in graphics.

I really thought Episode 1 was originally for PC :O

ha ha, funny chewy! :slap:

what i'm saying is since there both coming out for both pc and console, i think the xbox 360 will be better. Half life 2, episode 1, yes, they will be better for 360, but episode 2 maybe not better but probably about the same.

is that better :wtf:

[ktr]

I think the game would be equally great on both consoles and pc. But you cannot slap a keyboard and mouse to your 360, so go for the pc, but only if your pc is good enough.

[Chewy]

ha ha, funny chewy! :slap:

what i'm saying is since there both coming out for both pc and console, i think the xbox 360 will be better. Half life 2, episode 1, yes, they will be better for 360, but episode 2 maybe not better but probably about the same.

is that better :wtf:

I was serious:P I thought since you said "and half life was then." that meant HL(2) episode 1 was originally for Xbox.. bah lol I remember him saying that HL2 came out for 360 or something:confused: lol Im confused now but I get ewehat you mean! I must get my food in! than shower. RUNS!

[HellasVagabond]

From what i can tell the game will surely run smoother on the 360...However in comparison to a really powerful computer capable of running it at 1600x1200 with everything maxed out and 16xAA, 16xAF theres no way the 360 can compete. However you really need a nice rig to achieve the above.
Check the You Tube video of the beta...Not exactly complete as a game but you can see the graphics :)


Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CV7n_z6JWY&mode=related&search=)

[Chewy]

ah I get cha, you know what AA the 360 has off your head? lol I forget what ati card it has exactly.. I know its around a 1800xt/1900gt so I guess the max AA it could have is 6 and AF 16.. games are more fine tuned usually for consoles so it would prob run @ 6xAA 16xAF.

Thanks for the reply, I'll have to study up on 1080p one day so I know exactly what it provides over 1080i.. meh lol

[bassmasta]

>.> i don't remember exactly what 1080p is, resolution-wise, but if I remember correctly, it is 2100X?, or in that general area. How many people have monitors that can even support that? if I was at my desktop, which i'm not, I would check, but could someone go into catalyst and see what it describes force 1080p as?

[mandelore]

>.> i don't remember exactly what 1080p is, resolution-wise, but if I remember correctly, it is 2100X?, or in that general area. How many people have monitors that can even support that? if I was at my desktop, which i'm not, I would check, but could someone go into catalyst and see what it describes force 1080p as?

1080p just shows up as 1920x1080.....@ 60hz, 1080i shows up as 25hz/or 30hz

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/eve_images/1080.jpg

[HellasVagabond]

1080i is interlaced while 1080p is progressive...The difference is not huge but it is there.
Check the following links.

http://hometheater.about.com/od/televisionbasics/qt/1080ivs1080p.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i

[mandelore]

ah I get cha, you know what AA the 360 has off your head? lol I forget what ati card it has exactly.. I know its around a 1800xt/1900gt so I guess the max AA it could have is 6 and AF 16.. games are more fine tuned usually for consoles so it would prob run @ 6xAA 16xAF.

well wouldnt that mean any1 with an 8800/2900 would have the better gaming experience? i mean.. with the 7.7 cats i can whack edge detection on and get 24x AA, then theres adaptive AA and temporal AA etc etc :p

(not saying id get a huge amount of fps, but even with 16Xaa with temporal on i can play very nicely (only tested once on oblivion tho then i formatted for setting up a raid system)

[bassmasta]

1080p just shows up as 1920x1080.....@ 60hz, 1080i shows up as 25hz/or 30hz

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/eve_images/1080.jpg

I actually meant that stupid windows feature where you hold your cursor over the item and it explains it for you. I remember it being fairly impressive, but not what exactly it was.

[HookeyStreet]

Im sure the 360 version will look great, but the PC versions quality will depend on what system you run it on. Im certain a C2D / C2Q rig with an 8800 640mb GTS/ 768mb GTX/ 768mb Ultra in it, or an HD X2900XT 512mb/1GB will look awesome too ;)

[Chewy]

Yeah ic now, yes a pc can give you better detail especially since you could even get more res than 1920x1080 @60hz max with 2 cards is around 2500xsomething so that would be more than 1080p buy very few lcd tv's have this resolution I think maybe only Sony carries them though there are prob other brand that carry them aswell.

I know Lost Planet pc graphics pwn 360.. but thats prob mainly because of dx10? not sure if the side by side pictures I seen were dx10 or dx9 they could very well of been dx9.

All in All I learned alot on this today, muchos gracias.


Edit: @ Mandelore, so you can game 1080p? do pc games support this? sorry for al the questions lol but do you know this one?

[Benpi]

I play Half-Life2 already at a higher resolution than 1080p. Maybe it will look better on his 360 than HIS PC, but not mine. My AA and AF will be higher, as will my resolution, plus, i'll get 60+ framerates (LCD cap @ 60).

[DRDNA]

Any one who has ever gamed on my rig in the sig , who was a console gamer wanted me to build them a rig... lol and after getting use to my controllers hardly ever looked back;) I run all my games in 1920X1080 even if I have to make an edit to do it ....It is by far superior to lower graphics ... any gamer i thought could see that plain as day..Well any way PC all the way.

I play Half-Life2 already at a higher resolution than 1080p. Maybe it will look better on his 360 than HIS PC, but not mine. My AA and AF will be higher, as will my resolution, plus, i'll get 60+ framerates (LCD cap @ 60). what size screan is that widescreen?

[HookeyStreet]

This brings up the old 'console Vs PC' debate. Both can not be compared, as they are both very different.

The 360 has amazing graphics and still has that 'wow' factor (just play 'The Darkness'), but PCs can be upgraded and will always have that edge over consoles ;)

[Chewy]

yeah he only games on console really he played pc way back in the day (warcraft 2).

as you said Hookey both have thier places but pc gaming is superior even if the game is badly coded.. well 1080p has a diferent way to deliver the image I wonder if pc games have that.. umm yeah its just how the image is delivered http://hometheater.about.com/od/tele...80ivs1080p.htm and I guess as mandelore pointed out his card and mine are capable of 1080p.

[Wile E]

yeah he only games on console really he played pc way back in the day (warcraft 2).

as you said Hookey both have thier places but pc gaming is superior even if the game is badly coded.. well 1080p has a diferent way to deliver the image I wonder if pc games have that.. umm yeah its just how the image is delivered http://hometheater.about.com/od/tele...80ivs1080p.htm and I guess as mandelore pointed out his card and mine are capable of 1080p.1080p isn't really any different than the way computers do it. I think you may mean 1080i. 1080p is exactly the same as setting your resolution to 1920x1080 on a computer.

[Chewy]

chek out that link I copied form mandelore it says in it as far as I read that it send a signal differently or some crap gettign sleepy now but yeah

oh wrong link http://hometheater.about.com/od/televisionbasics/qt/1080ivs1080p.htm

Heres a quick copy and paste:

In 1080i each frame of video is sent or displayed in alternative fields. The fields in 1080i are composed of 540 rows of pixels or lines of pixels running from the top to the bottom of the screen, with the odd fields displayed first and the even fields displayed second. Together, both fields create a full frame, made up of all 1,080 pixel rows or lines, every 30th of a second.

In 1080p, the each frame of video is sent or displayed progressively.

This means that both the odd and even fields (all 1,080 pixel rows or pixel lines) that make up the full frame are displayed together. This results in a smoother looking image, with less motion artifacts and jagged edges.

[devguy]

I would not be surprised if Half Life 2 and episode 1 look and run better on the 360 than the pc counterparts as the hardware in the 360 is quite a bit more powerful than the best pcs available at the launch of each respective game. I have Half Life 2 for the Xbox 1 and it definitely has some of the best graphics the Xbox 1 would play (2nd only to Doom 3). However, unlike Doom 3 Xbox, Half Life 2 wasn't built from the ground up along side the PC version and was strictly a port. In fact, this game did have a fair bit of stuttering in the graphics during heavily loaded scenes while Doom 3 Xbox was silky smooth all the time (for me anyways).

However, I would be quite surprised if Half Life 2 Episode 2 looks better on the 360 than the most high end PCs out there.

[Azn Tr14dZ]

To me, it doesn't matter. Yeah PC might look better and all, but the largest LCD I have is a 22" (1680x1050). Don't get me wrong, it's fun to play games on that, but sometimes I just wanna kick back and play 360 on my 50" 1080p.

But yeah, PC games do look better.

[Wile E]

In 1080p, the each frame of video is sent or displayed progressively.

This means that both the odd and even fields (all 1,080 pixel rows or pixel lines) that make up the full frame are displayed together. This results in a smoother looking image, with less motion artifacts and jagged edges.
That's exactly how a computer monitor does it. All computer monitors are progressive scan.

[ktr]

That's exactly how a computer monitor does it. All computer monitors are progressive scan.

take a camera against a crt monitor...

[mandelore]

Yeah ic now, yes a pc can give you better detail especially since you could even get more res than 1920x1080 @60hz max with 2 cards is around 2500xsomething so that would be more than 1080p buy very few lcd tv's have this resolution I think maybe only Sony carries them though there are prob other brand that carry them aswell.

I know Lost Planet pc graphics pwn 360.. but thats prob mainly because of dx10? not sure if the side by side pictures I seen were dx10 or dx9 they could very well of been dx9.

All in All I learned alot on this today, muchos gracias.


Edit: @ Mandelore, so you can game 1080p? do pc games support this? sorry for al the questions lol but do you know this one?

well i already game at 1920x1200 on my nice 24" widescreen.. :)

[Wile E]

take a camera against a crt monitor...It does that because it's progressively scanning down the screen. It can't fill all the lines at once, so a still image will show the lines that haven't been drawn yet.

Trust me, all modern computer monitors are progressive, AKA: non-interlaced. They replaced the the term non-interlaced with progressive. (If you are old enough to remember when they used the terms. I still remember when it was a big deal to have a non-interlaced monitor. lol)

Now, if you have an old interlaced monitor laying around, that works just as the name implies, it interlaces every other line per frame, much like a standard tube type SD TV.