X1950pro freezing--resolving a problem?**?

[Ljubo]

Hello....SO ...after purchasing x1950pro i run at some problems....freezing...blank screen....but ...similiar things happened before with eax1600pro but not so much....after many days of reading and finding some solution...i was always at beggining...there was similiar things happened to nvidia users ...some1 said that is psu,some1 that vrm is overheating....i was having artifacts ,blanking screen on company of heroes,warhammer , but bf2 was ok....with many installs of vga drivers ,winxp...i found out that many of users have some pci sound cards....i removed all drivers...after rebooting i didnt accept that winxp find some drivers for me..instead....i was going at my computer icon...and find my multimedia devices at device manager....started and i told windows that they find driver at creative cd....after rebooting sound was weird....almost without bass...then i put my cd and run setup ...start fixing a driver option...reboot....and i was played coh last night 2 hours without rebooting ,freezing or blank screen....almost weird....but...there was no psu issue,vrm or something like that....just drivers for my soundcard....weird things but i manage to repair it.....please if some1 have similiar things...try it ...maybe it can help...graphic cards are fine but all hardware and soundcards together sometimes makes troubles....sorry for bad english...S!

[Urbklr]

...dot much?? lmao....i do the same thing:(

[Ljubo]

Like i said i didnt manage to find any help on net....best solution for some people is to buy a new pc? Like milk? Go to store and buy some milk=pc? Sometimes dots, if you manage to quit a game to desktop,dots stays....blanking screen,freez or some weird artifacts...all gone...l

[Morgoth]

system specs plz :)

[Urbklr]

..dots as in periods> "."

[Ljubo]

system specs plz :)
<----sorry,,,i forgot...

[Ljubo]

:wtf: SOoo...it seems that i didnt find SolutIon...again ...but now in bf2...only thing that a change was ps2 report rate for my mx500 mouse...i set at 200...:twitch:im again at beggining...HelP :respect:

[Kursah]

What version of windows xp are you running? XP SP2? SP1? Pro? Home?

What version of Catalyst drivers are you running? 7.9?

Have you messed with any settings in CCC (Catalyst Control Center) or did you leave everything at default?

I recommend downloading and installing latest AMD/ATI CCC if not already done, download and install latest DirectX 9.0c (I think aug 07 is most recent, not entirely sure, on my work's pc atm). Also, download ATI Tool .27 b2 or Aquamark 3 for use of 3d without having to load a 3d game, that way if we can get it to work in one of these two or both, odds are we can get your games working. Also, ATI TOOL .27 b2 should report temps for your card, it could possibly be getting too warm, but they do by nature and should still run okay at higher temps.

Before you installed your video card did you do a clean sweep of your original card's drivers? If you didn't, that may not be helping. If not find a utility called Driver Cleaner (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745), uninstall your ATI drivers, restart, don't let windows install display drivers for your x1950, run Driver Cleaner and search and remove all ATI video driver related stuff, and same for the brand of card that you had before. Then restart again, run a fresh ATI/AMD CCC install and see if that helps.

I'll check back when I get home from work, which should be within the next hour. I hope this helps or at least get's ya going on the right path.

:toast:

[Ljubo]

I have clean xp home sp2...all net frameworks,7.4 catayst,dx9.0c,and i was trying before with new drivers and tray tools....temperature in game was 70C...so it was not to warm...scan with tray for artifacts....nothing,,,and when i was installing some other drivers i was using after uninstal driver cleaner and all files was deleted...i really think that i got some hardware conflict...but you must know that i was having x1600pro before without 2x512 mb so it is not ram and then i was having blank screen and freez but not some kind of dots or squares with colors...:banghead::wtf:...when i said clean install of xp i mean clean ...with this card ...thanx anyway...

[Kursah]

Hmm, you may check your Device Manager to see if it detects any conflicts. Also, are you overclocking by chance? If so, and I'm assuming that's a PCIe x1950, it may help to raise the PCIe Bus to 105, I've read of this helping others attain stability with their cards. You may want to search google on ATI video card issues with that motherboard and see if it comes up with something, there may be a setting in Bios that could make the difference, hard saying.

And your x1600pro did the same exact thing as your current x1950pro? What brand of Power Supply is that 480w? If it's a cheaper PSU, it could be causing issues and instability. Also if it's 12v Rail(s) are not rated at least 25+A (for single) or 18A/ea for two (iirc), you may have issues since that card does require a fair ammount of juice to run with stability.

Hope that helps. :toast:

[Kursah]

Also, does that card have a direct power line from the PSU or are you using an adapter in-line with other components? It is recommended that the video card have it's own power cable with no other components sharing, I've found better stability with my card by doing this, and with my older x850xt pe it made a difference in OC-ability too.

[peach1971]

Anyway, what´s your VRM temp in heavy 3D action?
>> Latest Lavalys Everest version shows it (use on-top OSD).

Hitting 120°C means you´re not far away from crashing.

[Kursah]

Anyway, what´s your VRM temp in heavy 3D action?
>> Latest Lavalys Everest version shows it (use on-top OSD).

Hitting 120°C means you´re not far away from crashing.

I have Everest Ultimate, and my only options for GPU temp monitoring are GPU and GPU Ambient temps. Can you post a pic of VRM temp monitoring please?

[peach1971]

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1205/snap6860zw5.jpg

Using Everest 4.10.1120 Beta here.

[Kursah]

Hmm, nice, I may have to look into this! That is definately useful for diagnosing and overclocking x1950pros! :toast:

[peach1971]

Yep. :)
My VRM temp used to climb easily up to 109°C when running CCC´s Automated Clock Config Tool (before additional cooling installed).

>> http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4190&s=6 ;)

[Ljubo]

Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type ITE IT8712F (ISA 290h)
GPU Sensor Type Fintek F75363 (ATI-I2C 4Ch)
Motherboard Name Asus A8V Series
Chassis Intrusion Detected No

Temperatures
Motherboard 40 °C (104 °F)
CPU Diode 50 °C (122 °F)
GPU 59 °C (138 °F)
GPU Ambient 56 °C (133 °F)
Seagate ST3160812A 46 °C (115 °F)

Cooling Fans
CPU 1075 RPM
Chassis 5625 RPM

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.42 V
+3.3 V 3.34 V
+5 V 5.13 V
I using Codegen 480w and voltages are ok at 12v ...using adapter....after changing that thing for refresh rate of mouse thing looks normal again.....if happen again i will post you and i will change setting in bios before that...thanks

[peach1971]

GPU Sensor Type National LM63, Volterra VT1165 (ATI-I2C 4Ch, 70h) here.

EDIT: LOL, took me too long to realize:
If this is your Gecube:
http://www.3dnews.ru/_imgdata/img/2006/11/24/33864.jpg
... caps instead of VRMs.

Okay then.
Did you try CAT 7.7? release notes for CAT 7.8/7.9 still tell something like "X1950 users be warned"..
Use Nasty File Remover or Driver Cleaner before install.

[Ljubo]

and after 3 hours of playing project reality everything ok...started company of heroes....and freez...i didnt overclocked my card but when i was having a ati tray ...didnt make to set clock of video card like it should be...always few mhz down or up...and in bios i dont have a option to change pci to 105...for now was at 33....but some pll2 menu in bios got something with graphic card and now i set it at 105...what ever it is...

[Kursah]

There is a difference between PCI and PCI-e Buses. Do not change the PCI bus, only change the PCI-e speed, and a minimal 5Mhz increment, if it doesn't change anything, then set it back to 100. Leave the PCI bus at 33.3.

Does your vid card look like the one Peachy posted? More-so on the right side of the card for now is what I'm curious about.

Edit:

Also thanks for the info Peachy, I got the newer Everest working correctly and:

Idle:
GPU - 36C
Ambeint - 35C
VRM - 48C

Load (5 Mins of ATI Tool's 3d Fuzzy Cube):
GPU - 50C
Ambient - 41C
VRM - 93C

[Kursah]

Yep. :)
My VRM temp used to climb easily up to 109°C when running CCC´s Automated Clock Config Tool (before additional cooling installed).

>> http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4190&s=6 ;)

Yep that's the card I happen to own. I just wish it would OC more than it does (621/770 is about all I can get). Interesting deal on the VRM's though, what did you do for additional cooling? What does your VRM idle/load at now? How far have you OC'd your card?

[Ljubo]

Yes peach1971 thats the card:banghead::roll:

[Kursah]

That's actually not a bad thing from what I've heard man! That's the second revision without VRM's, which means better stability/overclockability (Tigger69 has a Sapphire version of this card, and he has gotten some great OC's for an air cooled x1950pro...some of the top OC's on TPU!)

[peach1971]

I attached (isolated clip) a 80mm Enermax fan to the end of my Audigy Card, the way that it sucks the air from the bottom of the case blowing it right into the face of those VRMs. :)

FRONT PowerColor X1950 Pro VRMs REAR
FRONT Creative Audigy ||||-[F-A-N] REAR

I didn´t try yet to OC it beyond what CCC detected as let´s say "safe".
So it does 621/796 stable without ANY crashes.

Currently playing C&C Titan Multiplayer and WIC ~2-4 hrs./day (sum).

[Kursah]

Nice, I may have to try it. How well did it help to cool the VRM's?

I was messing around and got my x1950 to run Aquamark 3 using 635/756...scored 124k. If I run ATI Tool's 3d Fuzzy Cube at that speed, it'll reset VPU almost instantly. 3dM 03 doesn't seem to like 635 core speed....bummer. I just wish my card would OC beyond 621, the increases from that 21MHZ is minimal, but it seems once you hit 30-40+, there can be a notable difference. Memory OC on these cards from what I've read shouldn't go too high as the drivers will automatically relax the timings, and could possibly hinder results some. I may try 635/700 and see what happens...

CCC used to set my OC at the exact same, but it seems once my memory goes over 770 it'll crash shortly after...

[peach1971]

How well did it help to cool the VRM's?
10-15°C.. hard to say exactly regarding the wide VRM temp range.

[Kursah]

Hmm, interesting indeed, I wonder if getting the VRM's to become even cooler, i.e. keep them below 100C, if a vgpu mod would in fact be more successful. I've heard that the mods don't work with VRM's due to them not allowing or being set up to use more voltage. But then I've heard of a few people supposedly modding with the VRM based board and attaining higher OC's (upper 650s + on GPU).

[Ljubo]

i was running aqua3 and it freez at same place just few sec when it starts...i will try with 7.7 catlyst when im catch some time ...:banghead: in this ati tool 0.27 i dont have freez or artifacts ...can some1 think something? thanks-----------------------something new------------i underclocked graphic card with ati tray---core at 533.25 memory at 648.00 and aqua3 finished without freez---for now i will not change drivers but if some1 got some idea-im listening-:ohwell:

[Kursah]

...Also, does that card have a direct power line from the PSU or are you using an adapter in-line with other components? It is recommended that the video card have it's own power cable with no other components sharing, I've found better stability with my card by doing this, and with my older x850xt pe it made a difference in OC-ability too....

Well...

Does your card have it's own power cable?
What's the ratings for your Power Supply it should have listings on the side sticker for 3v, 5v, 12v. If you could please list those along with the brand of your PSU, maybe it can't handle the power load the card is putting on it. 480W should be enough, but if you're lacking AMPS on the 12v rail, there could be issues there.

[Ljubo]

im using adapter...1 with dvd rom but i dont use it and another wire with cooler ....i know that when you use adapter you cannot put same wires at same consumer...help

[Kursah]

Well it has 2 12v rails one good for 16A one good for 18A good for 264Watts from what I see on the label. That should be sufficient, that's a total of 34 Amps for 12 volt at peak.

That PSU doesn't have a PCI-e 6-pin plug?
Did it come with your case? Does it get hot to the touch when your PC is running, especially under load? Are there any hi-pitched noises from it during load?

And what do you mean by:
i know that you use adapter you cannot put same wires at same consumer

????

You can run the adapter in-line if you have to, but stability may be compramised, and a DVD drive would be the best bet, definately not HDD's, granted in my old system I for a short while used an adapter in-line with HDD.

[Ljubo]

Thanks for reply...no,psu doesnt have a PCI-e 6-pin plug and i was just try to say that i use adapter...What do you mean when you said hi-pitched noises ? Sorry cannot understand...

[Kursah]

Sometimes when a PSU is about to fail or is overstressed under load it will make a high-pitched squeal type noise. The last really cheap PSU I used made that noise for a couple of days, then it failed and I had to replace it. Fortunately it did not spike the computer though.

[Ljubo]

:toast: People,thank you ...i found at 1 site solution of my problem and really works....i was playing with ati tool and i set my clocks down to..540 for core and 640 for memory...problems are gone...maybe its something with bios....it works and that is good....best way is playing with ati tray and running aqua3 cause at first hill at aqua3 if clocks was set to default or tho high problems was there...i will not demand new card cause i think that it will be to many days at service and no1 will fix anything and i will get same card back...i will just try to cool it more and then maybe return clocks like it should be...Thank you all...:respect:

[Kursah]

Where did you purchase it?

It may be worth an RMA if you said you installed it and it kept crashing, and that you were VERY UNHAPPY, and that it was not performing or functioning as designed in anything 3d, list everything you've tried and verifed, they would have to replace it. I've RMA'd a few times now, at least with Newegg and Amazon.com, it was pretty painless aside of paying for shipping to the RMA location, and Newegg taking tooo long (1.5wk average RMA for me form them :( )

But yeah I've heard of the clock down trick, and many had to do it when these first released, if you read about the OC'd HIS versions, that were pre-OC'd, quite a few had to downclock to stock due to instability in 3d or at all sometimes.

But if you're content, then that's cool, I would rather send it back due to not performing as guarenteed and get one until it runs stable at stock at least.

:toast: Good job!