why are ballistix so great?

[bassmasta]

I realise that crucial is known to use d9 chips, but why do people only ever mention them?

http://ramlist.ath.cx/ddr2/

looks to me like there's lots of d9's running around.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

hype ...

[bassmasta]

o...
any difference between the different models of d9?

[panchoman]

crucial ballistix are widely used because all crucial memory contains micron d9's and crucial is one of the cheapest d9 memory stix out there. the crucial customer service is very nice and they are very professional. the ballistix tracers also also commonly used because of the leds, which very few memory sticks have.

[Chewy]

Crutial are a manufaturer of micron chips (they sell to other memory manufaturers). they give you great chips for bargain prices.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

i got my geil for cheaper than crucial ..

[DaMulta]

I have had less problems with them in upgrades at the PC Store.

I like them, and will pay more for them.

[panchoman]

but was your geil micron d9?

[DOM]

Micron owns Crucial Technology

[panchoman]

Micron owns Crucial Technology

0_o, didn't know that.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

yes they are

[panchoman]

well they're bargain micron d9's that are high quality, hardly see doa ballistix. and the crucial customer service is top notch

[FR@NK]

I like them, and will pay more for them.


same here.

Im using a 2GB PC-6400 kit and it easily runs at 4-4-4-12 @ 500Mhz with 2.2v. Pretty impressive since they only cost about 60 bucks on sale at the egg. Thinking about getting another kit ;)

[Grings]

Ah, i was gonna make a new thread, but this one looks suitable to jack:D

What i'd like to know, is has anyone seen a good comparison between the different types of D9 chips?, i've been looking at new ram, and noticed most (including ballistix) uses D9GMH chips, but Cellshocks (amongst others obviously) higher end ram uses D9GKX.
Both appear to be able to clock to 1200mhz (and sometimes beyond), but i've not yet seen a direct comparison between the two to tell whether there are any significant differences (i.e one set is better for max speed, where the other can handle lower latencies, or whether one set need more volts than the other at the same speed)

[DOM]

IDK which D9'd I have as Crucial puts there name over the chip where it has there info :shadedshu but thats was with my old ram PC2 8000 then I had to RMA and I got the PC2 8500 but I can get 1200Mhz on stock 2.2v 5-5-5-15

[hat]

Everyone loves Crucial because they always use Micron D9 chips which are the best for overclocking. They also give great deals on thier memory, both performance-wise and price wise.

[Exeodus]

The G-Skill that i am using are Micron D-9's, and freakin love them!!!!! :toast:

Check them out here:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231065

Very high quality, I recommend them to everyone.

[Wile E]

Crucials are loved because they can often be found at great prices. And they're guaranteed to be D9, whereas a lot of other manufacturers are moving to Promos for kits that used to be D9. (Corsair and Super Talent jump to mind immediately) I'm willing to pay a few extra dollars for the piece of mind.

That's not to say that other brands are bad. I have also run (or set a friend up with) G.Skill and Geil, and they are good ram as well. Liked them too.

I also ran some OCZ platinums at one point, but didn't like those as much.

[Chewy]

yeah my patriot extreme 1066 5-5-5-9 now use promo chips.. (or atleast different chips now too). I think Corsair started this evil trend with thier high end sticks.. like theres reviews out there using the originals.. so people "think" there still the same when actually thier getting gipped, for the companies dont even lower the prices using this cheaper promo chips.

[Live OR Die]

Im use Crucial Ballistix Tracer 1066mhz and there not as fast as my old OCZ reaper 1066mhz using Everest Ultimate memory beachmarking, There about 300MB/s slower in copying but all other test are about 10MB/s slower and the latency is abit higher but i still wouldnt trade my crucial back for my OCZ because i had so many problems with OCZ memory.

[panchoman]

Ah, i was gonna make a new thread, but this one looks suitable to jack:D

What i'd like to know, is has anyone seen a good comparison between the different types of D9 chips?, i've been looking at new ram, and noticed most (including ballistix) uses D9GMH chips, but Cellshocks (amongst others obviously) higher end ram uses D9GKX.
Both appear to be able to clock to 1200mhz (and sometimes beyond), but i've not yet seen a direct comparison between the two to tell whether there are any significant differences (i.e one set is better for max speed, where the other can handle lower latencies, or whether one set need more volts than the other at the same speed)


http://ramlist.ath.cx/

they have a section called micron d9 ic section.

there you go... if you can understand that shit.

[Chewy]

GKX are seposed to be better, I have GMH (I think) and get some tight timmings... havent tried for high clocks yet, but when I get my new mobo I will. This mobo dont like em :( lol

[Grings]

Cheers pancho, but i did already have the ramlist bookmarked, and knew specs, what i'd really like to see is a test of the chips overclocked against each other, ideally by the same manufacturer, for instance a specific set of ram which can come with either type of d9 (but still has the same part number), reason being that one companies GMH may outperform anothers GKX due to a better pcb

[panchoman]

density is also a factor. the better the density, the better?

[AddSub]

Crucial is really just a Micron subsidiary. I always prefer RAM that is made, sold, and/or distributed by the manufacturer. Like Crucial/Micron brand or Melco/Buffalo. Rest of em, Mushkin for example, just use whatever batch of ICs they can get and label em "Performance", "Value" etc. Two years ago I asked two Mushkin reps about their process of choosing ICs for their "Value" and "Performance" ranges and I was told that it had nothing to do with the quality of ICs. If they (Mushkin) could get a batch of ICs for cheap that quarter, it didn’t matter what manufacturer sold them to em, or how good they were. Just how many units they could got for the lowest price. True story. My guess is Corsair and other "brand names" operate on similar basis.

[panchoman]

Crucial is really just a Micron subsidiary. I always prefer RAM that is made, sold, and/or distributed by the manufacturer. Like Crucial/Micron brand or Melco/Buffalo. Rest of em, Mushkin for example, just use whatever batch of ICs they can get and label em "Performance", "Value" etc. Two years ago I asked two Mushkin reps about their process of choosing ICs for their "Value" and "Performance" ranges and I was told that it had nothing to do with the quality of ICs. If they (Mushkin) could get a batch of ICs for cheap that quarter, it didn’t matter what manufacturer sold them to em, or how good they were. Just how many units they could got for the lowest price. True story. My guess is Corsair and other "brand names" operate on similar basis.

i know for ocz, the edition of the ram specifies the chip, like if they get a batch of micron d9's, they'll make the sli and x-fire batchs. and then some other chips, maybe elpidia, they might make into the platinium edition, etc.

[AddSub]

Yeah, they might or might not. Whatever route is cheapest for em. At least with Micron and/or Melco there is some guaranteed measure of consistency.

[panchoman]

Yeah, they might or might not. Whatever route is cheapest for em. At least with Micron and/or Melco there is some guaranteed measure of consistency.

yup, and crucials are tested for doa-ness before shipped out, one thing most memory companies dont care to do. i've hardly seen any doa crucials.

[KennyT772]

Don't forget that as a subsidary of Micron, Crucial gets the best binned chips and also has custom PCB's built by Micron. Crucial isn't always the cheapest, but you always get a reliable and consistant overclock from them.

[Zebbo]

Crucial is really just a Micron subsidiary. I always prefer RAM that is made, sold, and/or distributed by the manufacturer. Like Crucial/Micron brand or Melco/Buffalo. Rest of em, Mushkin for example, just use whatever batch of ICs they can get and label em "Performance", "Value" etc. Two years ago I asked two Mushkin reps about their process of choosing ICs for their "Value" and "Performance" ranges and I was told that it had nothing to do with the quality of ICs. If they (Mushkin) could get a batch of ICs for cheap that quarter, it didn’t matter what manufacturer sold them to em, or how good they were. Just how many units they could got for the lowest price. True story. My guess is Corsair and other "brand names" operate on similar basis.

That's quite short-sighted way to look at it.

From building to finishing the product there is a lot work to do and quality testing is actually the longest process in memory manufacturing, maybe you have just mixed two different scenarios here as it doesn't really matter is the product going for Value or Xtreme line, they are still tested for quality, every single one.

Value line is also very different compared to Xtreme line as most of the time there is nothing else but one type of memory IC that will do the work and fill the specifications. Once the IC manufacturer stops producing these ICs and if memory manufacturer can't find a new set of ICs that will work as good as the first one did it is quite hard to do anything else except call the product end of its life. It's totally opposite for Value memory where the market holds many different ICs that are suitable for the products in terms of specifications and more importantly for the price. As far as the quality question goes certain level of quality is always required no matter what.