x1900GT $95.83 after shipping!

[newtekie1]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102705

:rockout:

EDIT: The specs on this are mislead, just to warn you. The specs make it out to be a Revision 1 card, but the images are of a Revision 2 card. So beware, you will most likely be getting a Revision 2 card.

[cdawall]

great deal almost a steal at that price

[JC316]

That is a huge deal. Crossfire those bad boys and you have a rig system.

[theonetruewill]

A truly great card- trust me I've got two; Rev1 and Rev2. I get 5793 3D06 on the Rev1:D

[JC316]

A truly great card- trust me I've got two; Rev1 and Rev2. I get 5793 3D06 on the Rev1:D

Yeah, thats almost as much as my 8600GTS got. For near $50 cheaper and you get a 256bit memory bus, the X1900GT is great.

[PVTCaboose1337]

$89.99 now!

[theonetruewill]

Just Get One People!

[newtekie1]

$89.99 now!

It was $89.99 before, I included the $5.84 shipping into the price.:toast:

[PVTCaboose1337]

It was $89.99 before, I included the $5.84 shipping into the price.:toast:

Muy tricky.

[nflesher87]

Muy tricky.

haha, if anyone goes for 2 for CF call in I bet you could talk them into free shipping

[PVTCaboose1337]

haha, if anyone goes for 2 for CF call in I bet you could talk them into free shipping

Bet you I could... again (with italics...)

Muy tricky.

[AddSub]

If these cards can be severely overclocked then they might be a decent deal, otherwise, someone posted a deal Crucial was having on their refurbished products. A refurb Crucial X850XT would be a better deal at only $49.99.

GPU comparison: X850XT vs. X1900GT rev2
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=55&card2=484

Link to Crucial X850XT refurb product/sale page:
http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?imodule=CTRFBVX850XT256MB

[newtekie1]

If these cards can be severely overclocked then they might be a decent deal, otherwise, someone posted a deal Crucial was having on their refurbished products. A refurb Crucial X850XT would be a better deal at only $49.99.

GPU comparison: X850XT vs. X1900GT rev2
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=55&card2=484

Link to Crucial X850XT refurb product/sale page:
http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?imodule=CTRFBVX850XT256MB

No, the x1900GT outperforms the x850XT in modern games thanks to the much higher shader count. Plus it has SM3.0, so it can actually play modern games, unlike the x850XT.

[nflesher87]

No, the x1900GT outperforms the x850XT in modern games thanks to the much higher shader count. Plus it has SM3.0, so it can actually play modern games, unlike the x850XT.

agreed

[AddSub]

Yeah, but X850XT is half the price, which more than enough justifies the difference in performance when it comes to shader intensive games. Also, while I’m not sure about X1900GT cards, in most cases X850XT cards can be severely overclocked in addition to being volt modded for some additional overclocking headroom. As for older games and any pixel and texture intensive games, (most of em are really) X850XT's 16 ROPs easily outrun the X1900GT's 12 ROPs. When you add in the overclcoking and/or vmod benefits, difference becomes even greater.

Also, I don't know if I mentioned this, but X850XT is half the price vs. X1900GT.

[newtekie1]

And I don't know if I mentioned this, but the x850XT CAN'T PLAY MODERN GAMES.

I don't care if it is half the price, it is completely useless if it can't play games that are currently out on the market.

Plus the x850XT is refurbished, AKA previously broken and repaired and more likely to fail again.

Plus the x1900GT gives better image quality and can do HDR.

Oh and did I mention the x1900GT and play modern games and the x850XT can't?(See I can repeat myself too, except I am actually right).

The extra ROPs don't help the x850XT enough to overcome the x1900GT's extra shaders, even in non-shader intensive games.

[AddSub]

Like what game? Bioshock? I'm playing it with the latest SM2 patch. What else? I haven't run into a game that I can't play. Well for some games, some tweaking is required here and there.

Also, I think the price difference DOES matter. We are not talking about few bucks difference but $49.99 vs $89.99.

Plus the x850XT is refurbished, AKA previously broken and repaired and more likely to fail again.

That X1900GT is OEM, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was refurb as well.

Shader processing does not matter much if the card is bottlenecked by the low ROP count.

X850XT can do HDR as well. With a small performance hit of course.

[newtekie1]

Bioshock(The patch if buggy at best)
Rainbow Six Vegas
Splinter Cell Double Agent

Just to name a few off the top of my head.

And OEM means OEM, if it was refurbished Newegg would mark it as such. Now your just grasping at straws. And you also are ignoring the actual performance of the card, the x850XT performed like crap for the specs. The 7600GTs stomped on them despite being much weaker on paper.

It isn't bottlenecked by the low ROP count, 12 is more then enough to do the job. The x850XT is bottlenecked the the low shader count. This is why ATI started going with cards with higher shader counts and lower ROP counts. Next you will start making the argument that the x1950Pro is also weaker than the x850XT because it only has 12 ROPs.

And no, the x850XT can't do HDR. It is not physically capable of it.

[AddSub]

Bioshock plays perfectly. I'm not sure about those other games you listed, I haven't bought/tried em yet, but I wouldn't be suprised if they can run on older SM2 cards.

As for Newegg listings, in the last 2 years I've had 3 returns because of incorrect listings. (more like dishonest listings)

A TuL socket 939 mobo for being listed as new when it was a refurb.

An Apollo 6800 AGP vid card for being listed as 256bit and with 12 p-pipelines, when it was 128bit and had only 8 of em.

A GeCube X800GTO for being listed with GDDR3 and with 256bit interface, when it actually was a GDDR2 card with 128bit interface.

OEM from Sapphire? Think about it.

The x850XT is bottlenecked the the low shader count.
True, as far as latest titles are concerned. Not true with older titles, where WILL X1900GT lag behind.

X850XT is capable of HDR with some performance penalties. I know, I ran HDR with my X850XT in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_rendering

The only card that can catch up to X850XT would be a X1950XT or X1950XTX, in terms of overall performance. (In that same performance range, Dx9/ATI that is)

[newtekie1]

So the x1900GT will lag behind in older games, where the extra power isn't needed to run the games at Max settings with playable framerates.

Oh joy, if you get the cheaper x850XT you can play CS1.6 at 250FPS instead of 245FPS with the x1900GT! Of course I can't play modern games, but how cares about those!

That is if you even believe that older games are hurt by the ROP loss, which they aren't.

I've never had a return due to incorrect listing with newegg, and I do well over $20,000 worth of business with them in the past 2 years. The most I have ever encounters was incorrect specs. Never incorrect listings about Refurbs.

So because it is OEM and from Sapphire it must be a refurb? Is that your argument. So this HD2900XT must be a refurb to then...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102099

Because there really as been enough time for refurbed 2900XTs to make it to the market...

[AddSub]

Load up Morrowind with latest mods and you will need all the pixel pushing power you can get. All the SM3 goodness, or SM4 for that matter, won't help you much. Same goes many titles out there, including lot of relatively recent FPS games, and many older aircraft simulators. Anything that needs to process large outdoor areas or needs to push lot of polygons, without too much shiny/glowy stuff.

I've never had a return due to incorrect listing with newegg, and I do well over $20,000 worth of business with them in the past 2 years.

Well, you may turn a blind eye to their screw ups (dishonesty?), I don't.

[newtekie1]

No, morrowind with all the latest mods won't benefit from the extra ROPs. You can't provide me with a single shred of proof that the x850XT outperforms the x1900GT in anything, and until you do I am done arguing with you because you don't have a leg to stand on.

Well, you may turn a blind eye to their screw ups (dishonesty?), I don't.

No, I've just never encountered anything more than minor problems in the specs. If I ordered something new, it was always a new item. You are just full of crap because you don't have anything more to complain about.

[AddSub]

No, I haven't ran a X1900GT card yet, but I've ran a 2600XT in my system. A card that has more than 5 times more shader processing power than X1900GT (18k vs. 96k ops/sec), but even less pixel pushing power. Roughly half, 3k vs. 6k MPixels/sec. It was awful. I benchmarked it for days and tried many games. S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Prey, Quake4, BF2, 3DMark 01, 03, 05, 06, GLExcess, and others. All the games ran much slower, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R was unplayable at settings it was quite playable with X850XT. The only benchmarks/games 2600XT outperformed my X850XT was 3DMark 2005 and 2006. That's it. I threw everything at it.

X850XT can do under 10k shader ops/sec vs. 96k on 2600XT, yet all that shader processing power helped very little when it came to 2600XT. It even has SM4 and Dx10 support. (2600XT has only 4 ROPs)

[FatForester]

Ok, my X800XT is allowed to do HDR in games that support it. Source supports it beautifully, but Oblivion, you have to have an SM3.0 game to enable HDR. AddSub, the X800's were great card, but you can't say an X850XT is only "matched" by a X1950XTX. Last time I checked, the X1950XTX SLAUGHTERS the X800's. Yea, the X800's still put up a fight, but you can't say it's equal. The X1000 line offers better architecture, especially when dealing with the shaders. This is something the X800's are definitely lacking in.

Ok, to be on topic, the X1900GT is a great deal! Yea, the X850XT is 40 bucks cheaper, but it also suffers from older technology and is refurbished! A refurbished video card is very unlikely to do well in overclocking, and would have a poor reliability. If I had PCI-E, I would definitely pick up this X1900GT... or wait for the 8800GT's and 2950's!

[newtekie1]

No, I haven't ran a X1900GT card yet, but I've ran a 2600XT in my system. A card that has more than 5 times more shader processing power than X1900GT (18k vs. 96k ops/sec), but even less pixel pushing power. Roughly half, 3k vs. 6k MPixels/sec. It was awful. I benchmarked it for days and tried many games. S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Prey, Quake4, BF2, 3DMark 01, 03, 05, 06, GLExcess, and others. All the games ran much slower, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R was unplayable at settings it was quite playable with X850XT. The only benchmarks/games 2600XT outperformed my X850XT was 3DMark 2005 and 2006. That's it. I threw everything at it.

X850XT can do under 10k shader ops/sec vs. 96k on 2600XT, yet all that shader processing power helped very little when it came to 2600XT. It even has SM4 and Dx10 support. (2600XT has only 4 ROPs)

Wow...that is all I can say. You really have no clue what you are talking about. I suggest you don't start arguments about things you don't know about.

Gee, I wonder why a card with 4 ROPs would be bottlenecked by them. We aren't talking about a card with 4 ROPs here, so you experience with the 2600XT doesn't mean dick.(The 2600XT also has a 128-bit memory bus, half the texture units, and unified shaders).

I'm tired of dealing with your ignorance, next you will be telling use the x850XT is as good the 2900XT because the 2900XT also only has 16 ROPs. Welcome to my ignore list, enjoy the company of other ignorant users, you'll fit in nicely.

[AddSub]

Yes, but 2600XT has more than 10 times (11.5 times to be correct) of shader processing power vs. X850XT. Isn't that the angle you are pushing?

Yes, FatForester HDR is supported by X8xx series, there are performance penalties though.

Also, nowhere I did I say the word "matched" that you quote me for. ;) In terms of pixel pushing performance an X1950XT or XTX card IS faster than a X850XT. No doubt about that. By a good 20% on stock clocks. I almost bought a Sapphire x1950xt on Newegg a month back, (was on sale and was only $160 or so) but it went out of stock pretty fast. Also, with a vmod, an X850XT can prolly reach the x1950xt stock speeds.

[KennyT772]

SM2 Cards can only do int16 hdr such as found in counterstrike source or oblivion Bloom setting. For FP16 HDR or true hardware HDR you need SM3, which no X8x0 card has, period. The x850 may still have lots of power, but who wants to drive a rusted out camero only because of its 1/4 time? I would much rather take a new car with more features and just a little bit slower performance.

Any game that explicitly requires SM3 will not run on a x8x0 card. Anyway, the cards are only $50 because they are almost 4 years old and there are still chips lying around.

Also, nowhere I did I say the word "matched" that you quote me for. In terms of pixel pushing performance an X1950XT or XTX card IS faster than a X850XT. No doubt about that. By a good 20% on stock clocks. I almost bought a Sapphire x1950xt on Newegg a month back, (was on sale and was only $160 or so) but it went out of stock pretty fast. Also, with a vmod, an X850XT can prolly reach the x1950xt stock speeds.

Who cares if it can clock the same? it has 1/3 the shaders, no sm3, half the memory bus, less video ram, slower ram, requires volt mods, and its older on top of it all. There is no more life left in x850s plain and simple.

[AddSub]

I think the X850XT's are around because they kept the prices on them way too high, until the SM3 cards overtook em and then it was too late. They went from $400 down to $100-$150 pretty quickly.

Yeah, SM2 cards are capable of HDR, but @ lower precision than SM3.

half the memory bus

Both x1900gt and x850xt are 256bit, as are x1950xt and xtx cards.

$49.99 vs. $89.99... you get what you pay for. And for $49.99, you get plenty.

[jagjitnatt]

Cool down everybody. I have x850XT PE as well as an X1900GT rev1.
x850 is a good card but it is nowhere near the X1900GT.
x850 is around like 50% of X1900GT when it comes to performance. And it really starts struggling in newer games. High AA and AF is not possible at all, unless you wanna look at slideshows. Go for the X1900GT and no matter which rev it is, slap on an after market cooler and it overclocks like crazy. And X1900GT even has voltage control in software. So you can raise voltages just by slider your mouse. Its that easy.

X850 may be well worth $49 but so is a 9600 at $20, that doesn't mean one should go for it. Get yourself a X1900GT and upgrade to 2900 in future.

[Polaris573]

Unless you have a specific question about the product or wish to purchase it do not post any further. If you would like to debate which video card is better I suggest you do it in the video cards sub-forum not in a for sale thread. Anyone who disregards this warning will receive an infraction.