Crysis = Need to Overclock

[1Strive]

I built this system with DX10 games like Crysis in mind over one year ago.
If I can't play Crysis at "High or Very High" settings then I will be upgrading. Waiting for new Quads from Intel and AMD.

So in the mean time (<--spelt right?) I will be overclocking to my max to play Crysis.

I have read a lot on this board and on the CPUZ forum. I will use CPUZ to show my clocks.
One thing to keep in mind when looking at CPUZ on the Memory is...
"Q3: I'm using DDR 400 memory and CPU-Z reports my memory running at 200MHz.
A: 200MHz is the real memory frequency. The DDR technology allows double to data rate, that doubles the apparent frequency." by: Franck@x86 from CPU-Z Forums
http://forum.x86-secret.com/showthread.php?t=4402

Here is my default.
http://img.techpowerup.org/071030/3800x2-Defaults.jpg

Here is my first try at Overclock and I am pretty happy w/ 2.6GHz and DDR520MHz with stock cooling. (2x80mm Front, 1x120mm Side, 1x120 Back, + PSU Fans)
http://img.techpowerup.org/071030/3800x2-2.6.jpg

Using RivaTuner to OC the 8800GTS to 650/900
http://img.techpowerup.org/071030/8800GTS-650-900.jpg

I am testing Crysis Demo now and will post my results.

Later,
1STRIVE

[jurrasstoil]

Would you please test the performance with just the cpu overclocked and just the gpu overclocked too? would be interessting to know :)

[newconroer]

I would suggest 600/1000 a bit safer, and possibly better performance. Though test away!

[Easy Rhino]

i have that same CPU and can get it to 2.65. beyond that it simply will not boot. ive actually been running my cpu at stock 2ghz and have the x1800xt at 650/750. i can play above 30FPS throughout the demo at 1028x768 with 2x AA and low to medium details. so im pretty happy with that. i can also play at 1440x900 which is my monitors native resolution with all settings on low and no AA at 45 FPS. since it has been a lot cooler here the past few days i will be overclocking my system heavily to sqeeze better performance for when i buy crysis. (i dont feel like upgrading for this one game.) so my goal is to start out at 1440x900 and drop all settings to low. then slowly work the detail settings up until i play consistantly at 20 FPS. then i will start to overclock. it will be interesting to see just how much performance i can squeeze outta this system. i built it a year ago and its already outdated. but so it goes with computer hardware.

[Richieb0y]

yea let us know i play it but i dint look too much for frames 20-35 frames mabye 40

[Davidelmo]

650/900 is a HUGE gts overclock, isn't it?

Defaults are 500/800, right?

[hat]

BWAHAHAHAHAH

My 8500GT does 667/866 from 500/333, that is NOT a big clock at ALL (for the 8800GTS) :D

[Davidelmo]

BWAHAHAHAHAH

My 8500GT does 667/866 from 500/333, that is NOT a big clock at ALL (for the 8800GTS) :D

:twitch:

My 320Mb GTS is at 580/850

I got scared taking it any further.. you might be talking me into it!

[technicks]

My 640 GTS runs @ 650/1050:D

[1Strive]

I would suggest 600/1000 a bit safer, and possibly better performance. Though test away!

Increase of GPU by 1MHz = same gain as Increase of Memory by 5MHz

Or
GPU>Memory for Performance.

650/950 No good. Stayed at 650/900 and 2.6GHz on the CPUs.

Crysis @ 1680x1050 all on High = 20 to 30fps (25fps average).

Take physics to Medium and then 30fps average.

Later,
1STRIVE

[1Strive]

Increase of GPU by 1MHz = same gain as Increase of Memory by 5MHz

Or
GPU>Memory for Performance.

650/950 No good. Stayed at 650/900 and 2.6GHz on the CPUs.

Crysis @ 1680x1050 all on High = 20 to 30fps (25fps average).

Take physics to Medium and then 30fps average.

Later,
1STRIVE

^ Scratch That!

New Overclocks. I I think they are final. At least for this system. As follows.
CPU (3800X2) @ 2.61GHz
RAM (Corsair 2GB DDR) @ 520MHz (or 260MHz times 2)
GPU (eVGA 8800GTS 640MB) @ 660/940

nVidia Beta Drivers for Crysis 169.01 Beta
3Dmark06 = 8988
Crysis SP Demo (1680x1050 NoAA NoAF, All Settings = High) 25-40FPS, 30FPS Average!
This is in XP Pro (DX9c). I will test Vista and DX10 later.

Here are the screen shots if you need proof.
http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/3800x2-Final-2.6GHz-DDR520.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/660-940-8800GTS.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/8988-3Dmark06.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 09-51-10-20.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 09-51-12-67.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 09-55-46-65.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 09-58-56-42.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 09-59-19-51.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 09-53-20-60.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 09-59-34-04.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 10-02-13-51.jpg

Enjoy,
1STRIVE

[Davidelmo]

How did you overclock with the Crysis drivers?

Rivatuner now tells me it doesn't recognise the drivers and won't overclock.

I think performance with the drivers at stock settings is the same as the old drivers at overclocked settings. But dammit I want new drivers AND overclock!

[1Strive]

How did you overclock with the Crysis drivers?

Rivatuner now tells me it doesn't recognise the drivers and won't overclock.

I think performance with the drivers at stock settings is the same as the old drivers at overclocked settings. But dammit I want new drivers AND overclock!

I installed Riva AFTER I installed the 169.01 Beta Drivers.
So try uninstalling Riva. Install Drivers. Then reinstall Riva. Good Luck.

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Also, It seems to me that Crysis isn't that hard on my CPU. Look at my results in Performance Monitor (Admin tool built into XP. Run = Perfmon)
http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Perfmon.jpg

From what this shows I will be looking at more Video Card vs. Better CPU.

[1Strive]

Also Davidelmo, Make sure you have the latest version of Riva. I downloaded again.

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I hit 9K in 3Dmark06 w/ the new Overclocks.
http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/9016-3Dmark06.jpg

Later,
1STRIVE

[KennyT772]

Have you guys tried ntune? In the VR zone review they used it to independantly overclock shaders on the gt's http://vr-zone.com/articles/Nvidia_GeForce_8800_GT_Review/5369-13.html

[bigboi86]

1Strive, there's really no need to tell us how memory speeds are supposed to be read :)

We are on a tech forum, everyone here should know this stuff.

[KennyT772]

It can and has been misread several times. If he posted 520mhz ddr and someone neglected to realize he was talking ddr1 they would think 1040mhz. It is useful to post speeds and denote exactly what you are refering to. The comment in CPU-z however is a bit much.

The quoted information is definatly not needed though :shadedshu
I have read a lot on this board and on the CPUZ forum. I will use CPUZ to show my clocks.
One thing to keep in mind when looking at CPUZ on the Memory is...
"Q3: I'm using DDR 400 memory and CPU-Z reports my memory running at 200MHz.
A: 200MHz is the real memory frequency. The DDR technology allows double to data rate, that doubles the apparent frequency." by: Franck@x86 from CPU-Z Forums
http://forum.x86-secret.com/showthread.php?t=4402

[bigboi86]

I guess he was just being extra careful :P

[Davidelmo]

Awesome, thanks.

I'll re-download, reinstall and *hopefully* get 40fps at high settings!

[1Strive]

Awesome, thanks.

I'll re-download, reinstall and *hopefully* get 40fps at high settings!

You'll have to Overclock as High as you can for that.
I get 40fps at the most 43fps. Stays aroun 30-35fps. With 30fps being the average.

I can't wait to test DX10 w/ Vista.
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To the guys above. ^
:toast: Thanks for the comments. I guess.:slap:

What do ya'll think about my deduction that Crysis SP Demo doesn't seem to be as CPU intensive as we all probally thought it would be?

I am looking right now, at getting a second eVGA 8800GTS 640mb for SLI.
But are vista SLI drivers any good? I am sure there will be a good Vista DX10 Crysis SLI Driver. Or at least I hope to God there will be.

Later,
1STRIVE
PS. 3Dmark06 site says my system is Better than 80% of systems tested and logged. That's Kool.

[DaMulta]

You'll have to Overclock as High as you can for that.
I get 40fps at the most 43fps. Stays aroun 30-35fps. With 30fps being the average.

I can't wait to test DX10 w/ Vista.
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To the guys above. ^
:toast: Thanks for the comments. I guess.:slap:

What do ya'll think about my deduction that Crysis SP Demo doesn't seem to be as CPU intensive as we all probally thought it would be?

I am looking right now, at getting a second eVGA 8800GTS 640mb for SLI.
But are vista SLI drivers any good? I am sure there will be a good Vista DX10 Crysis SLI Driver. Or at least I hope to God there will be.

Later,
1STRIVE
PS. 3Dmark06 site says my system is Better than 80% of systems tested and logged. That's Kool.

Do the DX10 trick for XP:rolleyes:

[1Strive]

Do the DX10 trick for XP:rolleyes:

Buddy! What do you mean? R U Making fun of me? I dunno wtf you are talking about, but it sounds fishy IMO.

Load the SP Demo on Vista. I heard it has both DX10 and DX9 in the same demo. Just matters where you install it at.

Later,
1STRIVE

P.S. Also someone please answer/confirm my opinion about Crysis not being that hard on CPUs.

[sneekypeet]

hey 1Strive....ive been checking and rechecking these numbers in your CPU-z screenies....something is really amiss with your RAM timmings IMO. This is DDR correct, and CorsairXMS we are discussing correct?

[1Strive]

hey 1Strive....ive been checking and rechecking these numbers in your CPU-z screenies....something is really amiss with your RAM timmings IMO. This is DDR correct, and CorsairXMS we are discussing correct?

Yes you are correct.

I have to admit IDK much about RAM timings.

Any help or suggestions will be tried and reported back on.

Thanks,
1STRIVE.

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Can't get Riva to Install with Vista 64.
That may be a problem. :mad:

[sneekypeet]

well here is just an example ...but running that RAM at 2T is insane IMO ...make for a huge performance cut.

Here is an example....settings for my HyperX(kingston 2X1GBkit)....


http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/strive.jpg

at bare minimum get the RAM back to 1T and then work the other timings to lower settings.

[Davidelmo]

P.S. Also someone please answer/confirm my opinion about Crysis not being that hard on CPUs.

I found increasing my Q6600 from 2.4 to 2.8 gave fairly good performance increase. I think there is a lot of CPU used in the physics and post-processing. If you have those set to high, a fast CPU will definitely help you. There was certainly less stutter when blowing things up and driving cars into buildings etc :D

[1Strive]

well here is just an example ...but running that RAM at 2T is insane IMO ...make for a huge performance cut.

Here is an example....settings for my HyperX(kingston 2X1GBkit)....


http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/strive.jpg

at bare minimum get the RAM back to 1T and then work the other timings to lower settings.

I will try 1T. 2T was my default from the SPD. My Mobo also chooses that if allowed. Asus AI Overclock 10%.

Thanks for the help. I will get back with you when I try it.

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DaMulta. I know what you mean now. I say it on incrysis forums. That seems to be a waste of time IMO. I guess u feel the same way by your sarcastic smile.

I am running it right now on Vist in 32 bit moed. 64 failed. But it is DX10 and able to do "Very High" @ 1024x768 @ 20fps. That suck. I need Riva to work so I can OC my 8800GTS.

Post screenies later.
1STRIVE

[DaMulta]

O your in vista then never mind then. No it is not a waset a waste of time for me. Very high in DX9 looks very sweet and runs great on a singal 2900xt for me.

[1Strive]

O your in vista then never mind then. No it is not a waset a waste of time for me. Very high in DX9 looks very sweet and runs great on a singal 2900xt for me.


I am in XP and Vista, DX9c and DX10. I guess I'm a swingger. :toast:

In Vista DX10 32bit mode . 1024x768 @ Very High 20fps Avg.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 14-35-38-77.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 14-39-26-27.jpg

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Vista DX10 32bit mode . 1680x1050 @ High = 20fps Avg. Half the Perf of XP but No Video Card OC in Vista yet.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 15-07-10-26.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 15-06-51-23.jpg

Later,
1STRIVE

[Davidelmo]

Hey, I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but those "Very high" screenshots look nothing like they do on my PC. Nowhere near the same quality. Did you have everything set to very high?

Maybe it's just .jpg compression?

[1Strive]

Hey, I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but those "Very high" screenshots look nothing like they do on my PC. Nowhere near the same quality. Did you have everything set to very high?

Maybe it's just .jpg compression?

That's OK. :toast:
Post a screen shot in .jpeg and we will compare. Also only the smaller ones 1024 are at "Very High"

[Davidelmo]

That's OK. :toast:
Post a screen shot in .jpeg and we will compare. Also only the smaller ones 1024 are at "Very High"


Ah, sorry.. i think I misread.

I thought the 1680x1050 were at very high.

Also I'm using Vista so Very high for me is DX10. The XP Very High settings can't really compare.

[1Strive]

well here is just an example ...but running that RAM at 2T is insane IMO ...make for a huge performance cut.

Here is an example....settings for my HyperX(kingston 2X1GBkit)....


http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/strive.jpg

at bare minimum get the RAM back to 1T and then work the other timings to lower settings.

Thanks for the tip. Also look at your HT Link Speed. Try 4x instead of Auto.
http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/3800x2-Final-2.6GHz-DDR520-1T.jpg

Edit: Thanks anyway but I can't use 1T w/o getting constant a BSOD or PC not booting at all. Thanks for trying. And again look at your HT Link setting when you get a chance.

[sneekypeet]

hey 1Strive...what is the voltage at for your RAM as we speak, and did you try to bump it up at all when looking to set 1T command rate?

Edtit : was the HTT thing directed @ me.....cuz usually I run 4X@ around 1200MHz when Im at 3.oGHz for testing! For regular use I drop it ,because of instability with USB and LAN controllers!

[1Strive]

hey 1Strive...what is the voltage at for your RAM as we speak, and did you try to bump it up at all when looking to set 1T command rate?

Edtit : was the HTT thing directed @ me.....cuz usually I run 4X@ around 1200MHz when Im at 3.oGHz for testing! For regular use I drop it ,because of instability with USB and LAN controllers!

I was at 2.8v but I can go higher. I will try 3v with those timings.
Thanks again,
1STRIVE

[sneekypeet]

wow BSOD's with 2.8V....hopefully you have active cooling to go to 3.0V?

[1Strive]

wow BSOD's with 2.8V....hopefully you have active cooling to go to 3.0V?

Nope. I don't care about this box much, it is one year old and I am going to upgrade it soon. So if it dies then I will have an excuse for the wife.:toast:

I am at 3.0V.

OMG! Everything is FASTER! Crazy Faster! Like I have new memory or something!

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You,
:respect::respect::respect::respect::respect:
http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/3800x2-Final-2.6GHz-DDR520-1T-3v.jpg

Running 3Dmark06 Now to Test.
You RAWK! :rockout:

[sneekypeet]

I hope it either scores like a champ or blows up in extravigant fashion...either way you should have at least a smile or a good story to tell...lol


EDIT...altho here is what comes next...drop the HTT to 3X and keep pushing untill the RAM stops posting...hehehehe

[1Strive]

I hope it either scores like a champ or blows up in extravigant fashion...either way you should have at least a smile or a good story to tell...lol


EDIT...altho here is what comes next...drop the HTT to 3X and keep pushing untill the RAM stops posting...hehehehe

Won't Do 1T no matter what I try BSOD. So staying at 2T. Thanks for the help.

2.6GHz, 520MHz, 660/940
9K in 3Dmark06
30FPS in Crysis SP Demo DX9 1680x1050 High Settings

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/OmegaOverClock-2.6GHzDDR520-2.8V-660-940.jpg

Later,
1STRIVE

[sneekypeet]

Sorry seems a real shame that 1T isnt stable ...and odd to boot. At least try lowering the timings tho....maybe 3-3-3-8 or 3-4-4-9. Never really knew of any DDr that took a 5 in the timings.

[1Strive]

Sorry seems a real shame that 1T isnt stable ...and odd to boot. At least try lowering the timings tho....maybe 3-3-3-8 or 3-4-4-9. Never really knew of any DDr that took a 5 in the timings.

I will try lower timings. Thanks.

Stable at current Speeds/Timings. ^
3Dmark06 Consistantly scores 9007, 9008, 9007, 9008
Crysis SP Demo DX9, 1680x1050 High Settings = 30fps Avg. (Low=24 High=35)

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 20-02-17-68.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 20-06-33-07.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 20-06-51-23.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/071031/Crysis 2007-10-31 20-05-16-92.jpg


Good Night,
1STRIVE

[1Strive]

Sorry seems a real shame that 1T isnt stable ...and odd to boot. At least try lowering the timings tho....maybe 3-3-3-8 or 3-4-4-9. Never really knew of any DDr that took a 5 in the timings.

Didn't work at lower timings. I will keep trying.

Will try at a later date. Happy for know.
Thanks and goodnight! (Again)
1STRIVE

[Davidelmo]

Yeah - looking at those pics of 1680x1050, there is definitely a difference between XP and Vista! Still looks great though!