8500/8600/GT/GTS Mod guide...

[Solaris17]

Getting Ready For Modification
First the back of the 8600GT and GTS are held together by 4 holding screws that hold the cooler on.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/back of 8600.jpg

You can use a small flathead or small Phillips screwdriver to get the screws out. After the screws are out with a little nudge the cooler will come off.... After this if you look at the bottom you see a pretty flat copper base.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/fan_off.jpg

Now its really important you take a second to see were the Thermal paste is on the cooler. This is important because you should mark with a pencil or simply remember were it is. Ill run you through how to lap it. After you remove and and memorize/mark were the paste was on the cooler take alcohol 70% iso. Or more and some q-tips and remove the old stock gunk. After its clean take 2000 grit sand paper and start sanding the area the core touched on the cooler. When its really really smooth and shiny your done when you think you cant get any better. Ok So now that thats done take some Arctic silver 5 Arctic Ceramique or MX-1/2 and squirt it on the core and a small dot on each of the memory chips. This makes sure that the memory is properly cooled and this isnt the stock stuff so were ready for over clocking!!!! After you put the cooler back on make sure you tighten it down really tight alternating screws in a pattern. Until they wont tighten anymore. Ill leave it to your discretion to know how tight but know if you tighten it to much you may damage the card severely.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/sequence..jpg

Riva Tuner Tweakage:
Ok first off you just got your brand spanky new 8600GT or GTS or you've had it for awhile and you want to make it faster. Well the first thing you want to get is Rivatuner (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163) This nifty little program allows you to:
Overclock the Core, Memory and shader clocks.

Adjust Fan control


unlock pipes (not available on 8600)


temp monitoring plus much more.


Ok first off lets open up Rivatuner. This is what she looks like.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/riva tuner.jpg

First off under Driver settings click on the customize arrow to reveal A icon that looks like a grfx card and says System settings when hovering over it.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/Riva2.jpg

After clicking on the button you get the good stuff yes here we go the overclocking settings!

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/OC options.jpg

So with no Volt mods as you can see she already clocks up a respectable amount from the default 540/1188/700. I choose not to link the shaders to the core (They are by default) because clocking the shaders up more improves performance than leaving them linked. For example clocking the core to 600 would allow the shaders to go higher improving performance. However I like all my clocks high so thats why I top them all. The only odd thing is with the memory with no extra voltage on my particular card she doesn't like to clock very high. Maybe an extra 50 MHz at the most.

Ok the other options in rivatuner are self explanatory. Fan settings etc can be double clicked on allowing you to edit the numeric entry such as 100%. If their are any questions I will gladly explain them and change/update the guide as soon as a question arises.

As for Overclocking you'll have to play with it to find your max stable overclock as many cards are different. For example some cards will hit 820 on the mem default were as mine can hit like 750.

With you max Oc now in place its time for a quick look at a very important setting for all OCers. FAN SETTINGS!!!!

First go back to the overclock window were you adjusted your shader,memory and core clocks... At the top their are tabs you want to click the one that says fan. This is 1 of the first 2 places were going to go to make sure your new OC is stable and cool.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/fan mod.jpg

First make sure the drop down menu is set to "Direct control". Then take all the slide arrows and move them to 100% you can make sure its at 100 and not like 97% by the real time adjuster to the left. Then after hitting the apply button save it using the floppy button next to the fan symbol at the bottom of the window. After you've saved a profile check the box "Apply at windows startup".

Our next window can be accessed by the main window showing your forceware version and card type.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/secondary fan control.jpg

After clicking the down arrow like the Overclocking window their will be an icon that looks like a grfx card. Click on this to get to the fan control tab. After the window opens click "Open Low-Level fan control" Doing this will unlock the options below. After you do this move the slider to 100% then check the box that says "Fixed Duty Cycle" then check the Box that says "Apply at windows startup". and then check apply. Then click ok. Then ok again to quite Rivatuner. Our tweaks here are complete for now.

Voltage Modification
So you've found your max Overclock But now how bout we push it a little further? Especially with the right cooling and the max stock Oc already obtained its time we push our cheap little beauty a little further.

First Ill be stealing our pics from VR-zone (http://www.vr-zone.com) because my card isn't currently outside of the computer. However I will be changing that soon. First off to do a cheap mini mod we need to have conductive ink or a .5mm mechanical pencil. This is because were going to need to bypass the current flow of a couple transistors. heres a quick pick of whats to come.


The Inno3D pictured here has the same layout as the leadtek and windfast versions so you'll want to follow this pic.
http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/pencil mod.jpg

MSI Version (same as Palit Version)
http://img.techpowerup.org/080627/img1685kf9.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/080627/img1686ye7.png

Now this is a Palit 8600GT which has the same layout as the evga and nvidia 8600GT
GPU volt mod
http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/inno3dpic1.jpg

memory voltmod
http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/inno3dpic2.jpg

XFX edition Mem Vmod on left Core Vmod on right
http://img.techpowerup.org/080521/XFX1.jpg

Now by ground (If your using the resistors) doesn't have to be a spot on the card you can ground it directly to the case. However if you want to ground to the card to keep stray wires from floating about your case you can ground them to the screw that holds the card in place, or the screws that hold the cooler on or the screw located here that holds the dvi connectors on.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/evga card.jpg

Now using a resistor will allow you more voltage .5v or more added over the pencil mod. Using the pencil mod will get you between 1.6 and 1.7 Core and 2.2 to 2.225 on the mem. using the transistor mod in conjunction with the pencil mod will get you much more. 1.75-1.85 on core up tp 2.5 on mem. This is dangerous but will work. I have verified this but things get HOTTT you have to watch things when you volt mod this much seeing as though you may have good cooling the transistors and resistors that are also linked to the core and voltage get extremely HOT that can lead to card failure short life span and damage.

Now another way to volt mod if you want EVEN more voltage is a PSU mod.
Now the nvidia and evga cards don't benefit from this to my knowledge seeing as their is a coil here.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/evga protector.jpg

Though it may not be safe if the 6 pin solder points are on the other side it may be possible but at any rate on with the leadtek flavors. Now with the leadtek and other similar pcb layout company's their is no black box here instead you have an open 6 pin grid.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/leadtek volt mod..jpg

Now with these pins exposed you can modify the 8600GT to accept more voltage just like its bigger brothers that need a 6 pin adapter. You can solder a 6pin plug onto this bare spot from a dead card etc and simply plug in a 6 pin adapter like this.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/Power.jpg

you can also do this mod instead of the resistor or pencil mods. or in conjunction to add more power though a different form of cooling is necessary at this point.

Another way is hard moding wires to the pins themselves and then connecting them to the 6 pin on your psu. Like so

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/6pin mod.jpg

as you can see its set up something like this (-) negative (+) positive
l +
l l
l +

Then you simply match the colors of the wire and splice the wire or shove them in the hole of your 6pin connector.

Ok and thats it so far for voltage modification, but it will be brought up a little bit later.


Bios Modification

Well you still want more? Fair enough. The next step is Bios modification for those ppl who really need all they can get without liquid nitrogen.

First before we get started i have a couple of links and other things to say....

1.Dude honestly i know if your reading this it was no accident you'd have to know exactly what you googled to find this thread. So ill lay it down quick. This is DANGEROUS if you flash wrong 1. instant artifacts. 2. unstable settings/card 3.$300 paper weight and a seriously pissed wife.

2.After you get passed your jitters its actually pretty easy you have to have some knowledge but alot of common sense. In the end it usually comes out fine and your very happy with your performance and very proud that YOU did it.

3. Don't blame me this is all at your own risk stuff. Even the Over Clocking I'm just someone who worked up the nut to do it you can stop now its not to late the button to do so is located at the top right of your screen and labeled (X)

Now that thats done lets begin. You'll need a couple programs first. One is NiBiTor a bios editing program for nvidia cards. You can get this here http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Video-Tweak/NVIDIA-BIOS-Editor.shtml Next you'll need a flashing program called nvflash located here http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Video-Tweak/nVFlash.shtml Now with those 2 programs in hand before we prep to flash or mod a bios we need to make a startup disk. Using a floppy or CD well try the floppy first.

Start by putting a floppy in your drive with wright protection off. With that done we need to format it go to my computer and right click on your drive A (floppy) after that select the "Format" command then click the box that says "Create MS DOS start up disk" then click ok and let it format.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/boot disk.jpg

Now that thats done we need to add the nvflash programs called "cwsdpmi" and "nvFlash" in the folder you unzipped these need to be copied to the floppy disk.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/floppy files.jpg

After this its time to boot nibitor and mod that bios!!! First open it up go to the tools menu select read bios and click on the "select device" option.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/nibitor.jpg

After that your card will come up just hit ok. At this point and go back to the tools menu. Go through the same process tools>read bios> now select "into nibitor" you should then get a screen that looks similar to this.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/nibitor2.jpg

Congratulations your bios is now ready to be modded. Keep in mind your doing nothing to the card just yet. Its simply loaded into the computer and is open for modification.

Now lets make some simple modifications. First lets change our amount of performance levels. Now by default their is only one. Changing it however will let us get away with some fun stuff like those fan and voltage over rides I was talking about.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/nibitor3.jpg

Now that we have done that 2-3 more fields will be open to you. However it wont look like mine you'll have 2 fields with a bunch of 0's you need to change these to the clocks in the one field that shows it. Like this.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/nibitor4.jpg

After that its time to move to the "Voltages" tab its time to let our card use a little more juice. If you didn't feel like modding it hard core. Ok so most 8600GT's have a 1.32 volt option with the 2d throttle being 1.2 we want to crank it up as high as it can go so I default mine at 1.32 if you don't want to thats fine but make sure your 3d and thrtl voltages are 1.32v..as for the 8600GTS yours will only show 1.3v thats fine as your card requires less power for some reason though stats iv looked up show the GTS using more watts for some reason these cards do not have a 1.32v option just set yours to 1.3.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/nibitor volts.jpg

Now that we've done that inside the "Voltage" tab you'll see you are currently in one sub tab with another sub tab right next to yours called "VID Mode" click on this tab and change these voltages to 1.32 or 1.3 respectively.

After this its time we change up the timings. While were here might as well squeeze the ram. Go to the "Timings" tab their you'll see a bunch of hex digits that make no sense and you'll see yours is set to "timing set 0". Were about to change that seeing as those are stock and well...slow.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/nibitor timings.jpg

First click on detailed timings this brings up a screen that may look very similar to you if you clock processors and system ram. These digits are far more understandable. Alas we'll only be here for a second. what you need to do is memorize the timings real quick we need to search for a "timing set" that is faster (lower numbers) but not to fast or to slow (higher numbers) so now hit ok and it brings you back. Now were it says "timing set 0" In the drop down box we need to select a timings set and then hit "detailed timings" again after we load it to see....Iv taken the liberty for you and know its "timing set 3" after that you can click on detailed timings to see but iv also included that.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/nibitor better timings.jpg

Now these are not the best ones feel free to go even lower or even better entering your own values. I'm simply using this as an example to get a little performance as well as familiarizing you with the process.

Ok after we have done this Why not tweak our card to represent us? Go to boot settings to see what I mean.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/nibitor logo.jpg

As you can see you can change the way the card is displayed at boot. Of course if you have a card like mine you never saw it anyway, but you can change this by checking the box that says "Display Boot Messages" to the right of the screen. This allows the message with all the custom stuff you type in the box to show up as soon as you hit the power button.

Now don't forget after you have typed up that glorious art known as bios stamping you want to see it right? Well theirs a cure for that to. Circled below is the time the message sits on your screen in mS (milliseconds)

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/nibitor logo2.jpg

After this go to file in Nibitor and select save bios and save it as "new" on your floppy drive. After you save it reload your bios from your card Tools>Read Bios>into Nibitor and save this one as "orig" in your floppy drive. Now in case you screw up theirs a scape goat in sight.

Now For flashing. Its simple leave the floppy in and restart the computer. I'll run you through the rest in a bit. However for you CD people its not so simple but almost i promise. Below i have taken the liberty to upload the files all thats missing is your rom files unzip these files drop your roms in the folder then save them all as an iso image so the cd boots.

Over Riding Fan Settings

Ok so your tired of using third party apps to control your fan settings? Well theirs a cure for that too. Go into Nibitor and load the bios you loaded b4 were going to mod it some more. this time go to the "temperatures" tab. Do to the nature of the nvidia drivers when the gpu is at a certain temp the drivers crank the fan up all the way even though when you boot it sits at 40-60%. Well we can fix this. In the pick below are your fan control settings change the fan settings in all 3-4 categories to 100%. were it says core critical the default is 115ºC well thats a little to hot for my blood so i turned the critical temp down to 1.5.

http://img.techpowerup.org/071111/nibitor fan control.jpg

After this is done re save your bios its time to FLASH!!!

Flashing

Ok so your ready floppys in cd's burned roms both new and old on disks now its time for the big time life or death next paycheck or dinner w/ the girl. Here are the commands i have found that have never failed me copy them on paper as i cant save you after you reboot.

After you reboot you'll get a prompt that looks something like this.

A:/

After this type this.

A:/nvflash -4 -5 -6 file.rom

were "file" is the name of your new bios...you'll get 2 prompts from nvflash at this point asking for a "Y" or "N" input to go ahead and continue. Hit Y for both of them and if you see it say it completed successfully congrats man you made it holy crap if not and you get a black screen DO NOT REBOOT wait about 1 or 2 min. then type this!!!

nvflash -4 -5 -6 file.rom

ware "file" is your ORIGINAL BIOS!!!! With any luck it will work wait about 10min and then reboot. If you don't see anything if the blind flash worked you'll see your boot screen etc. If not their is a serious problem your card is now in heaven.


Now for the clarification with the command i provided. Their are spaces i will now show you where using an underscore. You need to put spaces at these points for the command to work.

A:nvflash_-4_-5_-6_file.rom


kk hope this helps all you enthusiasts out their also this guide may very well work on the 8500 series hell maybe even the 8800 depending on the layout though im leaning more tword the 8500 series if anyone has one and would like to try it out let me know so i can wright it in the blog.


For anyone interested i have also included a pre modified bios that i use for my current card.

[Solaris17]

Its done yay go me if you see any errors or problems as well as punctuation questions updates Pm me so i can fix it hope it helps thnx all.

tell me what u think

[Random Murderer]

Its done yay go me if you see any errors or problems as well as punctuation questions updates Pm me so i can fix it hope it helps thnx all.

tell me what u think

other than some grammatical errors here and there it looks perfect. almost makes me want to go pick up an 8600gt just to mod it to gts...

[Solaris17]

ya im proof reading it as i type this thanks.

[sneekypeet]

Excellent job here man...and on the plus side of things you have your name on that bios flash file correct? Then your name will be on the opening screen of PC's everywhere...lol

[mrw1986]

I tried the volt mod and it didn't work, actually made my card worse haha...and yes I followed it right I've vmodded cards before. I used the guide on VR-Zone (the one you ripped the pics from ) haha. Basically my card even at stock clocks now shows little yellow dots when using atitool to scan for artifacts...oh well it works fine when I game and stuff...I played Crysis on it at all medium settings at 1280x1024 and didn't get any artifacts.

[cdawall]

very nice guide :D

[Solaris17]

ya i fixed it. Thank you. Excellent job here man...and on the plus side of things you have your name on that bios flash file correct? Then your name will be on the opening screen of PC's everywhere...lol


lol ya unless they change it.


very nice guide :D

thanks :D

[Solaris17]

I tried the volt mod and it didn't work, actually made my card worse haha...and yes I followed it right I've vmodded cards before. I used the guide on VR-Zone (the one you ripped the pics from ) haha. Basically my card even at stock clocks now shows little yellow dots when using atitool to scan for artifacts...oh well it works fine when I game and stuff...I played Crysis on it at all medium settings at 1280x1024 and didn't get any artifacts.


hmm it did that to me at first a long time ago then i just went over the pencil mod again laying it on thick and it stopped personal best at the moment.


1.5v on the core 2.2v on the mem

725/1785/825

tested with a fluke meter on the measure points.

[Solaris17]

sorry just figured id add more though i think after this ill just edit one post but here we go just a road map of my improvement.


Original stock clocks 540/1188/700

orig no vmod(after i too it off) 725/1600/700

After dropping 1.5v to the core and 2.2 to the mem.
775(max stable/1785(max riva wont tune higher)/850 (775/1785/850)

now since my core topped at 775 and my shader wont go higher im testing the mem at 875 if it holds my final will be

775/1785/875
Orig stock clocks for the GTS edition are. (for my manufacturer) 675/1000

so im close and i beat their core clock.....ill be back in a sec if my new 875 mem holds too do a little subtraction to see how many more mhz i gained.

ok so it worked screw it maybe ill go for 1000 mem..i wish i could clock my shaders higher :( i have never seen a program were i maxed out an oc via program and not hardware but at any rate


775/1785/875
540/1188/700

+ 235mhz/597mhz/175mhz

and this is all with the normal pencil mod i havent tried anything extravagant...yet i just need transistors.

I did it!!!!! i maxed the mem and the shader!!! riva wont let me tune more :(

final OC 775/1785/1050

[GermanJew]

what kind of game performance gain can you see? I own a xfx 8600gt and would like to tryout the less risky stuff, hehe, like only software oc'ing, but first i would like to know whether you can see a real improvement. maybe you can post different 3dmark scores on different setting?

great work!!

[Solaris17]

um the preformance gain was extreme in my case i noticed it right away crysis ut3 NWN2 all worked a ton of a lot better....im not sure how far the smaller tweaks will get you but the only real big one is the volt modding so youll probably see a gain close to mine...my 3dmark scores are in my system specs....i would show you them at diff levels but i should have thought about that while i was tweaking the pencil mod is tricky to get to work and no one sells conductive ink around me so i dont want to spend hours pulling it and then installing it to see if its actually getting the upped voltage.



o and thank you...it was hard to do...but the biggest problem was finding the balls....i did all this like 3 weeks after i bought it....i just never madea guide....and at the time i was like..i can work with this..its a highely customizable card as my guide shows..but at the time i was like hmmmm i just spent $210 do i want to do this..but i did and well it works cant complain.

[Jizzler]

Any way to see the GPU core voltage?

First BIOS mod I did had 2D at stock speeds and 3D at overclocked settings. As far I can tell, this didn't work until the 169.25 WHQL drivers (or before the 163's) as it ran at 3D speeds all the time. After installing and seeing it work, I re-modded to the following:

3D: 756 / 1080 / 1620 1.3v
TR: 675 / 1008 / 1458 1.3v
2D: 360 / 560 / 756 1.1v

Rough figures by my Kill-A-Watt meter (from the wall power draw, whole computer) are 205w, 200w, and 195w in each state, when idle.

Getting to the point of my post... was wondering if it was actually undervolting to 1.1v or if the power savings were solely due to the card being underclocked. I've read some posts where 8800's will not undervolt by the BIOS, didn't know if it applied to the 8600's or not.

If it doesn't, oh well, at least I get 10w out of it. I estimate a savings of $0.48 per month (6 kilawatt hours). :)

[Solaris17]

ya the 8600 will undervolt when throtteling kicks iin and as for measuring gpu voltage above in my mod i give the reqad points to tell gpu voltage

was that of any help?

[Jizzler]

Was wondering if there was a software monitor before I go and borrow my friends multi-meter. No biggie, just trying save a few watts here and there as it's in 2D mode about 20hrs/day. Gotta make up for the 4 hrs at overclocked settings :)

Thanks for the quick reply and the guide itself!

[Solaris17]

NP and theank you but no theirs no program youll have to use a multimeter. sorry :(

[Solaris17]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080106/3ghz%20shader.jpg

update


the thread can be found here.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=48725&page=2

[Jizzler]

<Jizzler shakes fist in menacing manner>

Damn you Solaris! I get my real GTS just over your GT, and you go and overclock some more! :D

Good stuff man.

[BrooksyX]

I had no idea that these cards overclocked so well.

[GTX]

dude how many letters my brain will die R.I.P

[cdawall]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080106/3ghz%20shader.jpg

update


the thread can be found here.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=48725&page=2




now how much longer till we can see a 100% core oc? you would only need to hit 1080 :roll:

[Solaris17]

i need to buy some 50 or 20k ohm resistors then youll see it

[VEINS IN TEETH]

I can't my over clock with Ntune with new nvidia driver. Anyone tell me a combination of driver and ntune version that will work on a non nvidia board?

[cdawall]

just use rivatuner/atitool?

[BrooksyX]

Hey guys I am having trouble modding my bios, I am pretty sure its a driver problem. I have the leadtek 8600gt 256mb DDR3 and I used the exact some values as the guide show. I don't have any problems flashing it but when I boot into windows my resoluiton is really low and my color is set really low and I can't change the settings. I uninstalled the video driver and all my problems went away but of course I don't have any drivers so the video was choppy in windows. After I installed the drivers again I got the same resolutuin and color problems.

You guys have any idea whats going on???

[Solaris17]

well in this case it is a driver problem when you modded the bios did you remember to put a name to the card in the bios editor? like did you select it from the dropdown list and pick your card? also if you did remove your drivers reflash and boot back up and install....actually wait for wondows to install its own. then install yours.

[BrooksyX]

Yeah im pretty sure that I picked the right info for the card. Ill double check when I get home and make sure to uninstall before I flash and reinstall after I flash. I also flashed your risky.rom bios and windows couldn't find drivers for it but it seemed to flash just fine.

If I upload my old and new bios will you check to see if I messed up?

[Solaris17]

ya sure NP ill look at it :)

[BrooksyX]

I was about to go crazy last night because my internet was down :cry:

Anyways here is my original bios and my modded bios.

[Solaris17]

no your bios looks fine you may want to put your thermal critical at 100ºC though the card reaches 80 pretty fast and that may be faster than the fan can spool up to cool it which means your card will shut down regardless...but ya set that at 100 reflash make sure the drivers are deleted in the c drive after you choose to uninstall them...then flash and reinstall drivers then reboot again and you should be good.

[BrooksyX]

Oh well I have an Accelero s2 on my card, so there is no fan anyways. I went ahead and just flashed the card with 660 on the core, 1512 on the shader, and 800 on the mem. I didn't change the performance levels or the voltages and it seems to be working fine. I wonder why it won't work if I change the other stuff. Maybe I should try the omega drivers.

[cdawall]

i should be getting a XFX 8600GTS XXX and will be custom cooling it will these mods work?

http://www.bjorn3d.com/Material/revimages/video/XFX_8600GTS_XXX/IMG_2847.JPG

http://www.bjorn3d.com/Material/revimages/video/XFX_8600GTS_XXX/IMG_2858.JPG

http://www.bjorn3d.com/Material/revimages/video/XFX_8600GTS_XXX/IMG_2852.JPG

http://www.bjorn3d.com/Material/revimages/video/XFX_8600GTS_XXX/IMG_2849.JPG

[Solaris17]

yes the GT and GTS pc'bs dont very much if at all and these mods apply to both.

[cdawall]

yeah :D i wonder if i can out do your old 8600GT

[Solaris17]

hahaha what hubris a mere man taking on a god but amuse me i will accept your challange!

[cdawall]

hahaha what hubris a mere man taking on a god but amuse me i will accept your challange!

haha we will see the only advantage you may get is your cpu+ram seeing how mine will be on a DDR1 and single core system

[mlee49]

I like the RivaTuner, good fan controll and clock controll, but how much is too much? Do you just watch the temps? Just by boosting the fan to 100% mine dropped 4 degrees. Any suggestions on clock settings or operational temps?

[Solaris17]

you just watch temps really cut off is about 70ºC if it gets that high your getting to hot...then you move on to other methods of cooling or you lap your heatsink.

[cdawall]

@sol what do recommend a custom cool setup which would consist of an old socket A cooler with 60mm fan for gpu and cut up HS for the ram or a zalman VF900cu?

[Solaris17]

if you can set up the old cooler to fis in all the wholes ok and your SURE you can cool the ram that id just go with that...lap it and make sure all the holes line up the pcb tends to flex thats why im concerned...also if you can id reccomend cutting a few small squares and putting them on the fes in the back...those get mighty dangerous hot after a volt mod.

[mlee49]

Awesome, I'll wait till I have some better thermal paste before pushing the limits. I'll post some pics w/ the oc.

[Solaris17]

sweet do it i want to see.

[cdawall]

if you can set up the old cooler to fis in all the wholes ok and your SURE you can cool the ram that id just go with that...lap it and make sure all the holes line up the pcb tends to flex thats why im concerned...also if you can id reccomend cutting a few small squares and putting them on the fes in the back...those get mighty dangerous hot after a volt mod.

thats all the gpu cooler will be its about a 3.5"X2.5"X1" and would the little black one be ok thing on the back?

http://img.techpowerup.org/080302/IMG_0001.jpg

[Solaris17]

ty to cover all the big black chips.

[cdawall]

ty to cover all the big black chips.

what all needs to be covered?

http://img.techpowerup.org/080302/xfx86gtsxxx_05l.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/080302/xfx86gtsxxx_06l.jpg

[Solaris17]

here


http://img.techpowerup.org/080302/xfx86gtsxxx_06l784.jpg

[cdawall]

well that should be easy i thought i was going to need to cover like the whole back or something :roll:

[Scrizz]

my XFX 8600gt XXX pcb is different, the fan/heatsink only mount w/two screws.

[Solaris17]

here you go scrizz...

orig is your fail safe
modded is a lil better performance
risky really good performance not that risky and if i remember correctly youll need a vmod to go higher....uninstall your drivers b4 flashing. reinstall when flash is complete.

[mlee49]

Hey I cleaned the heatsink and chip and repasted. Also tweaked fan up to 100% and tried to max out settings, but I can only oc like 5-7%. Do you think I need to do the volt mod? Its a OC edition so maybe its already maxed out and Rtuner cant push it any further.

[Solaris17]

ya youll have to push it with a vmod

[wolf]

so since i successfully vmodded the 8800GT i was seriously considering doing my 2 8600's and shooting for 1ghz core..... do i need the same 500 ohm variable resistors? and ill post high detail pics of the PCB's as they may not be reference.

[Solaris17]

its 20kohm for the 8600 wolf.

[wolf]

mmm sik sik, ill borrow my sisters digital SLR and whack a macro lens on it and take some nice pics of the pcb either today or this w/e and get em to ya.

i reckon with a quad core cpu and the 8600's at 1ghz core/~2500 shader, we could be looking at 7-8k 3dmarks, and they scale well so who knows, 12-14k in SLi?

the most ive gotten from the so far is ~10,800 in SLi with the dual core... so at the aforementioned clocks and settings 12k doesn't seem a stretch!

[Solaris17]

at 1ghz core they can pass 8k if my memory suits me...im also gonna try and find high rea pics of the 8600M's maybe ppl can mod their laptops!

[Scrizz]

sick!

[Scrizz]

I'm at 6931 with 860/1880/920
with an e4400@3.5(10x350)

[asb2106]

at 1ghz core they can pass 8k if my memory suits me...im also gonna try and find high rea pics of the 8600M's maybe ppl can mod their laptops!

now you have me interested! I have a 8600M in my laptop. First off, how can I OC this thing? Is there something I need to unlock software wise - I have tried every OCing program out there with no luck. I have not dug around either though - maybe you would know....???

[Solaris17]

u tried RT?

[asb2106]

u tried RT?

yah, it works for everything but the tweaking. I can monitor and all the other ones, just not the OC panel

[asb2106]

GOT IT, I had to go in low level tweaks and click install, then it opened up the option. Seemingly easy, wonder why i didnt think of that before??

[Solaris17]

what drivers are you running try running the latest betas or old 101.24's i heard that the 16x series drivers lock OCing on M gpu's..

[Solaris17]

GOT IT, I had to go in low level tweaks and click install, then it opened up the option. Seeingly easy, wonder why i didnt think of that before??

good but the issue may still be their M gpu'z with the 16x driver tend to revert after overclocking so when you oc make sure the status monitor is up to make sure the clocks dont drop again.

[asb2106]

good but the issue may still be their M gpu'z with the 16x driver tend to revert after overclocking so when you oc make sure the status monitor is up to make sure the clocks dont drop again.

ill keep an eye on it and Ill keep you posted, Im at work now so I can spend time on it just here and there. Ive been running some Fur benches and I am seeing a very good improvement. Ill write up my results by the end of that day

[Solaris17]

excellent glad its working out for ya.

[Scrizz]

would modded bios help w/pencil mod?

[Solaris17]

not usually no though various things can be improved such as timings on the ram etc. :)

[Scrizz]

do you think you could check out my bios? :D

[Solaris17]

scrizz what clocks can you run?

[Scrizz]

well I'm on stock cooling right now(might return it and get a 8800GS)
and can reach 750/1780/850 stable w/o pencil mod.
so far with pencil I'm at 860/1880/920 stable @88C on stock cooling, lol

btw this is after applying some AS5

[Solaris17]

well I'm on stock cooling right now(might return it and get a 8800GS)
and can reach 750/1780/850 stable w/o pencil mod.
so far with pencil I'm at 860/1880/920 stable @88C on stock cooling, lol

btw this is after applying some AS5

ok you should lap it! :D..ill flash your bios with those clocks and a couple other modificatiosn that may or may not help you out.

i clocked the core 10mhz lower as so the stock setting wont be unstable you can clock it back up if you wish.

[Scrizz]

thx man, now to format my Flash drive..

[Scrizz]

Hey Solaris, do you think you could modify my actual bios?
reason being, It doesn't let me flash the bios(even after using all the force/override options)
thx

[Solaris17]

i have ben modding your actual bios everyone you give me...i actually have a folder named scrizz with all your diff bios's or did u mean can i do it everytime u need something changed?

[Scrizz]

Thx for all your help Solaris17!
The bios in post #68 pls mod that one thx

I don't know what's going on but I can't seem to flash the bios. It says "Board ID mismatch"
it's not the "subsystem ID mismatch" or "device ID...". I've tried overriding, but I still get the "Board ID mismatch"....

[cdawall]

8600GTS should be in tomorrow

[Scrizz]

cool, have fun modding

[Solaris17]

Thx for all your help Solaris17!
The bios in post #68 pls mod that one thx

I don't know what's going on but I can't seem to flash the bios. It says "Board ID mismatch"
it's not the "subsystem ID mismatch" or "device ID...". I've tried overriding, but I still get the "Board ID mismatch"....

you got it bud ill see what i can do!

ok i need you to tell me waht clocks you OC to as of right now...because your not running a vmod.

[Scrizz]

highest stable w/o mod 740/1760/840
those clocks are actually a bit lower just to be safe.
thx

[Solaris17]

here ye be

[Scrizz]

thx, time to boot my win98 UFD and flash

[cdawall]

want to help me set up a mod with trimpots and etc?

[Solaris17]

if you tell me what that is im sure im game.

[cdawall]

http://webtronics.stores.yahoo.net/wtw3296-y-100k.html

it adjusts the resistance on the fly

TBH i have no idea what size to get

[Solaris17]

id get one that can do as low as 10 or 20 and upto 30 or 40 and if you get one i can help. i know how to set these up :)

[Scrizz]

hey Solaris do you know anything about radeon x1800?

[wolf]

so scirzz, exactly what type of pencil do u need? i have 2B, 2H and HB graphite pencils ready to go

[Scrizz]

regular pencil, or mechanical pencil

[Solaris17]

no scrizz i used to be pretty into ati 1xxx series but i lost my touch. sry dude.

[Scrizz]

dang, and I was just reading some of your old posts,
thx anyways

[wolf]

well i pencil modded both my 8600's real nice and they clock in at 850 core :D but the shaders still wont budge from 1836... but they do geoform for 10+ hours at 850/1836 so im pretty happy. thats over 50% overclock from stock clocks now :D

also with my penciling, i didnt just pencil the top of the resistor, i made a path along one side of it on the pcb, if you get what i mean.... in any case that seemed to work better than just penciling the top alone.

[Scrizz]

that's what I do aswell

[Trigger911]

Wow Awesome guide very detailed Should be stickied

[asb2106]

hey solaris...

you have any tips on a 9600GT?? I just got one to hold me over until I get my new parts......

any good tips??

[Solaris17]

sure man what are you looking for?...if you want to oc the clocks do get pretty high unlink the shaders and OC with the latest of RT...that will bump performance but if you want more core tone the shaders down that will allow you to OC the core clock more..:)

[asb2106]

sure man what are you looking for?...if you want to oc the clocks do get pretty high unlink the shaders and OC with the latest of RT...that will bump performance but if you want more core tone the shaders down that will allow you to OC the core clock more..:)

thats good to know, I have it installed now, the drivers are working well,

what will give me the best results in games/benches?? low shader/high core or low core/high shader??

And do you have any clue how this card will clock up - its the bfg OC'd edition - clocks now are 729,900,1836

[Solaris17]

i have the same one i was able to get
730/1900/1100

im volt modding atm..it can clock pretty high but it isnt perfected so i havent posted it..

[asb2106]

here are my first results
http://img.techpowerup.org/080315/11694.jpg

I am going to see how high I can push this thing!

[Solaris17]

nice keep it up :)

[Trigger911]

Man i love learning hehe thanks for the reads guys I got a new system but im waiting for my water block adapter in the mail. its taking forever sucks the cpu didnt come with a heatsink at all.

[Solaris17]

osunds good man cant wait tilll you start clocking :)

[Scrizz]

sweet the cooler I had on my x1800xl fits my 8600gt nicely!

[asb2106]

ok solaris - heres what I got,

what should I increase to get it up some more???......

I tried a few things and I run into alot of problems
http://img.techpowerup.org/080315/12473.jpg

I have no clue on how to OC Nvidia, Ive always had ATI. But Im really liking these results for a card that you can get from Bestbuy for 220 bucks!

[Solaris17]

try mem at 1000 or 1050.

[asb2106]

try mem at 1000 or 1050.

trying that now,

I have been trying to decrease the Shader and upping the core, and the drivers fail

[Solaris17]

ya 730 740 is usually the limit wihtout the vmod.

[asb2106]

ya 730 740 is usually the limit wihtout the vmod.

ok, that would make sense, after about 8 tries I cannot get a touch past 740, funny that I chose that as my first OC and it was stable as a rock

this is my highest score I have gotten yet
http://img.techpowerup.org/080315/12620.jpg

[Solaris17]

see memory does alot ;) good job buddy amazing :)

[Scrizz]

sweet huh?
And I still haven't flashed the bios you gave me Solaris17
I'll post card pics later

http://img.techpowerup.org/080316/7221.jpg

[Solaris17]

that is amzing my props go out to you :D :toast:

[Scrizz]

here are some pics of the card:
srry about the quality(cell phone cam)

http://img.techpowerup.org/080316/top.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080316/side.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080316/back.jpg

[wolf]

hey scirzz or solaris, do either of you know where vGpu measure points are on the XFX 8600GT pcb? cos i'd really like to know the exact changes going on with the pencil mod.

also im picking up some 20k variable resistors today, so i'd love to know the solder points for those too :D

[Scrizz]

hey scirzz or solaris, do either of you know where vGpu measure points are on the XFX 8600GT pcb? cos i'd really like to know the exact changes going on with the pencil mod.

also im picking up some 20k variable resistors today, so i'd love to know the solder points for those too :D

nope, srry. I've just been going blind lately(sold my multimeter) :shadedshu

@Solaris17: I too would be interested in knowing the solder points, and measurement points :D

[Trigger911]

I just got the same cart the xfx 8600GT XXX would like to know more about it myself

[Solaris17]

ill work on it give me a couple days..any high rez images of the back of the card will help.

[Trigger911]

lol i can try all i got is a web cam from the early 90's its a huge dino

[Scrizz]

hey Solaris, would you be able to help with a 8800gs aswell?
I'm thinking about getting myself one.

[wolf]

hopefully i can ninja my sisters 10m/pixel digital SLR with macro lens for some sweet pcb shots.

oh and i also have 2x20k VR's ready to go solaris if you mind nething. if it helps the pics u used for the pencil mod to help scrizz and i are the pcb's we have.

[Solaris17]

sry wolf i didnt quite follow what about the pics i sent you?

[Scrizz]

he's trying to say "can you please show us where the measuring and soldering spots are? The pcb is the 8600gt xxx edition(same one you used to show us pencil points)"

thx

[wolf]

spot on man :D

[coder0xff]

I am pretty new to oc'ing, but I fiddled around with rivatuner and nibitor for a several hours.

Figured out that there is a voltage setting above 1.3 but nibitor displays it as ?.?V, so I added it with the voltage table editor. Think it's about 1.45V (from browsing other threads), but I don't have a multimeter. Anyway, got it up to 810/1730/1210 (not sure if it's entirely stable though).

I saw the images for the pencil mod and decided to print them out and pulled out my card. The pcb layout, though similar, was still different enough to keep me from doing the mod. I'm pretty good with electronics (theory at least) and I'm wondering how on earth people even figure out what and how to mod without some schematics and signal path diagrams. If anyone knows how to adapt the mod for the evga 8600 gts, that would be great.

Another question- Do bios voltage settings still have any effect when the pencil mod is used? I guess it probably would make a slight difference, but nothing significant.

Thanks

[Badtzmaru]

Hi man, i've read your tutorial and i've found it very interesting.

I was trying to squeeze all the power i could from my Pov 8600GT 512Mb.
I've managed to reach 790 core and 1700 shaders (better not to talk about the DDR2 memory, they only reach 470 in overclock:cry:) and i was wondering if, raising a bit the Vcore, i could get a litle bit more.

I would like to use Nibitor to modify the bios and then reflash it.

This are the two voltages tabs in Nibitor:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3369/voltim2.jpg http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/174/volt2lf3.jpg

In the first menu, the only available choice is 3D, that has no setting by default.
Must i choose 1,32 and save?
Or must i go to the VID mode and substitute 1,2 with 1,32 in the 1,2V choice?

Or must i do something different?

Thanks for all the help and the experience that you would like to grant me.

Cheers.

[Solaris17]

Hey man glad your intrested...you may be able to get a little bit more out of that ram...however the voltage tables you can modify in the bios i have found help protect against over current and over voltage protection however if you pencil it it should work like a charm..im glad you learned form the article and will be more than happy to assist you :)

[Badtzmaru]

Hey man glad your intrested...you may be able to get a little bit more out of that ram...however the voltage tables you can modify in the bios i have found help protect against over current and over voltage protection however if you pencil it it should work like a charm..im glad you learned form the article and will be more than happy to assist you :)

Hope it is not something forbidden, to link "competitor" forums :p

As you can see here (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?p=5105774#post5105774), i've allready asked about vmods and the only one that seems to be possible is the Vmem one.

Vcore seems to be unavailable on my 8600 but i'd prefer to modify the bios anyway.
I don't have a multimeter and via bios the mod is permanent. Since it's not possible to stretch ram any further, i'd like to stretch the gpu and with an extra 0,1Volts, i might be able to reach 800Mhz core stable.

So, which is the correct way to boost the voltage via Nibitor?
Is it enough if i choose "3D: 1,32V" in the exact mode and then flash it?

Thanks for the kindness shown, cheers :)

[Solaris17]

boosting the voltage with nibitor is only going to make it so OC OV protection wont kick in youll need to pencil or solder on your card to increase voltage.

[wolf]

any luck with points on that pcb for a vmod yet sol? my nets been down for days and now its finally back :D:D:D:D:D

[Scrizz]

any luck with points on that pcb for a vmod yet sol? my nets been down for days and now its finally back :D:D:D:D:D

I think... Solaris17 has been very busy with... DVD
:confused:

[Dobbie]

Thanks for the help of this site this is what I was able to do :rolleyes:

[Dobbie]

oh, thats with the stock cooler on the eVGA model :)

[wolf]

very nice Dobbie! those clocks will make the 8600Gt fly :D and yes, praise be to this awesome forum, but also Solaris deserves your thanks as he single handedly made those 8600 guides, he is the 8600 god.

although from experience i would say that you should be able to clock the shaders up to 1700mhz +, if you are using rivatuner, make sure the core and shader clocks are "unlinked" and go nuts. they clock up in steppings that are as follows:

1404 - 1458 - 1512 - 1566 - 1620 - 1674 - 1728 - 1782 - 1836 - 1890 - 1944 -1998

even though GPU-Z shows 1450, your actual effective shader speed will be 1458, and the rivatuner monitor will show accurate values. also i believe these shader increments apply to all geforce 8 and 9 series cards.

oh and FIY, my 8600's run at 850 core 1836 shaders and 1700 memory, thanks to a little pencil modding that Solaris got us onto :D

[Dobbie]

I tried the pencil mod but I don't have a voltage meter to see how much more I'm getting by doing it. I'm mostly just surprised that my first trails of VGA OC turned out so good :)

[Scrizz]

if you tried the pencil mod you should be able to hit 800 on the core easily
I did 890 on the stock cooler, although i did hit 105C on load :laugh: :eek: :D :rockout:

[wolf]

ive benched at 900 core but it doesn't like many games :P and luckily XFX put a Zalman on it so it was only at 80 degrees.

[Trigger911]

Nice man i got the same card what picture did you go off to pencil mod lol I tired to o/c with out and my fps went down bad lol

Thanks for the help of this site this is what I was able to do :rolleyes:

[wolf]

ill pm you the pics right now m8

[Scrizz]

ive benched at 900 core but it doesn't like many games :P and luckily XFX put a Zalman on it so it was only at 80 degrees.

after I put my Thermalright V2 on it it didn't go past 53C on 920 core in 27C room :toast:

[wolf]

very nice 920 core! as soon as i can find out the solder points im shooting straight for 1ghz :D

[Scrizz]

i couldn't bench at 920 though lol

[wolf]

yeah at 900 mine would ATi tool artifact scan 100% fine, but try running cod4 or crysis or the likes and it crashed,

[Scrizz]

you should probably pencil over it again

EDIT: I always gamed at 900/2160/1000(2000 effective) no problem :rockout:

[wolf]

hmmm, i cant get more than 1836 shaders, and 1700 memory on mine... so yeah ill do another good pencilling on em, but like i said, those resistors are what im holding out for :D worked a treat on my 8800GT

[Dobbie]

you should probably pencil over it again

EDIT: I always gamed at 900/2160/1000(2000 effective) no problem :rockout:

I did try penciling it, but I only got about 20 more on the core before the driver started stop responding very few min so I don't know what to do now. After pushing more than 30 I ran into artifacts.

[Scrizz]

I did try penciling it, but I only got about 20 more on the core before the driver started stop responding very few min so I don't know what to do now. After pushing more than 30 I ran into artifacts.

what card/brand/model do you have?

[Solaris17]

im really sorry i havent gotten to you guys yet im just really busy and i cant concentrate on it right now i tried but im just multitasking to much but i havent forgotten

[Dobbie]

eVGA 8600 GT 256mb. 720 core is when the driver starts to go crazy.

[Scrizz]

im really sorry i havent gotten to you guys yet im just really busy and i cant concentrate on it right now i tried but im just multitasking to much but i havent forgotten

It's alright :toast: you've helped us enough as it is :respect:

[Scrizz]

eVGA 8600 GT 256mb. 720 core is when the driver starts to go crazy.

If you want to go higher you're going to need to do the penciling ;)

[Dobbie]

If you want to go higher you're going to need to do the penciling ;)

I'll give it a try again. I'll try and see if I can get a voltage meter from a friend to see what I'm really working with for voltages on the core and mem.

[Solaris17]

dobbie you should be able to follow my mod guide exactly i have the same card type.

[wolf]

im really sorry i havent gotten to you guys yet im just really busy and i cant concentrate on it right now i tried but im just multitasking to much but i havent forgotten

yeah dude no stress, like scrizz said, youve helped so much already, so whenever you get around to it is fine :D not to mention i have an 8800GT to keep me occupied lol :pimp:

[Dobbie]

dobbie you should be able to follow my mod guide exactly i have the same card type.

I have been, but I need to get a voltage meter to find out the voltage I am getting, cause I'm not seeing a big increase of room to play with after doing the pencil mod (done it 2 times now, 3 after college today). I know that I was penciling on the right spots cause I followed the pics and I did notice a increase in over head the first time I penciled.

[Solaris17]

pencil not only the top but the sides of the resistors. and make sure you put so much lead on it you have dust left over dont blow this off but obviously clean it if you tag a couple extra transistors than tryo to oc....the default core is 1.3v...you should get 1.4 to 1.45v after penciling. if you do it right and try to oc you should be able to notice the diff relatively immediately.

[Solaris17]

yeah dude no stress, like scrizz said, youve helped so much already, so whenever you get around to it is fine :D not to mention i have an 8800GT to keep me occupied lol :pimp:

ugh!!! i have the 9600 vmod to complete as well damn :(

[Dobbie]

pencil not only the top but the sides of the resistors. and make sure you put so much lead on it you have dust left over dont blow this off but obviously clean it if you tag a couple extra transistors than tryo to oc....the default core is 1.3v...you should get 1.4 to 1.45v after penciling. if you do it right and try to oc you should be able to notice the diff relatively immediately.

I didn't think of the side of them. I'll try that and post how well I make out. Hopefully I'll be able to hit 850 or so on the core ;)

[Scrizz]

omfg I want a 8800gs so I can mod it :D

[Dobbie]

omfg I want a 8800gs so I can mod it :D

nuh, 8800 GTX would be fun to mod ;)

[Scrizz]

not when my 8800gs is faster than your 8800gtx :pimp:

[Dobbie]

pencil not only the top but the sides of the resistors. and make sure you put so much lead on it you have dust left over dont blow this off but obviously clean it if you tag a couple extra transistors than tryo to oc....the default core is 1.3v...you should get 1.4 to 1.45v after penciling. if you do it right and try to oc you should be able to notice the diff relatively immediately.

I think it worked cause I have an idle of like 70 now :O, I ran ATItool just to check for artifacts and in like 10 sec it was up to 115 so i'm not going to try and OC more with the stock cooler lol

[Skitzo]

This is absolutley great. :respect: I'd have to say I'm not happy with the purchase of this card (XFX 8600gt xxx udd3). The oc I can do with stock voltages isn't too shabby, but I know it can do alot better. I've already swapped out the stock cooler for a v2 with a hyper 15x80x80mm fan, a huge improvement in cooling an noise levels. At stock clock speeds my temps are great now. 620/800 => 37C idle....46C full load. (stock cooler temps were 48C-64C) With the help of riva tuner I have managed to attain 775/910 with temps of 38C idle and 48C full load benchmarkable.(gain of approx 900 3dmarks)(the room where my pc is doesn't go much above 20C usually around 19C) Any increases above that leads to artifacts but my temps appeare to be more than low enough for a vmod. With these stats I'm curious to see what this baby will do. I have spent hours researching on the web trying to find pics of my version but can't seem to find any. I did find a pic of a 7600gt xxx I believe that looked very similar but not exact. Does anyone know where I might find the info I require. (sorry no camera to take my own pics) I am using a ga p35 ds3l mb and it allows for a pci-e voltage increase. I haven't lookeed recently but i think it'll do up to +0.3. Thinking this might come in handy.
:toast:
:rockout:
:)

[cdawall]

don't jack with pci-e volts +.1v is about max you should go over, but it does increase the wattage the card is given

[Skitzo]

good to know, what about pci-e clock speeds. These are two settings i have never played with

[cdawall]

good to know, what about pci-e clock speeds. These are two settings i have never played with

max of about +5-12mhz increases the cards bandwidth

[wolf]

rethink that tho, because i very much doubt pci-e x16 bandwidth will ever limit an 8600GT, and thus an overclocked pci-e bus should not yeild any noticeable results.

[Skitzo]

I'm figuring that out but hey it's only time so far. I have discrepancies in bench results with every boot and I'm not done testing but sof far I can say I've gained about 50 marks. SM2 dropped a bit, Sm3 went up a bit. Not really a great reward for the hours I've been playing at it but still fun. But I've only increased it 6Mhz so far.:roll: on the other hand ... I think this might be enough ... so yeah ... upwardly mobile. NEXT!!!! oh.. I think I'll introduce myself to next in the morning. I'll try and get hold of a camera to take a pic of my 8600gt and post it later tomorrow. I just looked and I can replace this thing for $81 CAD after mir . The level of respect i have for this card is getting lower but the potential for fun is increasing!!

[Skitzo]

Here is some mem info for xfx8600gt if found on the net.(stock voltages for various ram chips)

If the serial number on the RAM chips starts with "H", NOT HY:

Look at the 5th character:

V: VDD =3.3V & VDDQ = 3.3V
A: VDD =3.3V & VDDQ = 2.5V
Y: VDD =3.0V & VDDQ = 3.0V
U: VDD =2.5V & VDDQ = 2.5V
W: VDD =2.5V & VDDQ = 1.8V
S: VDD =1.8V & VDDQ = 1.8V
Q: VDD =1.5V & VDDQ = 1.5V
R: VDD =1.2V & VDDQ = 1.2V


If the serial number on the RAM chips starts with HY:


V: VDD=3.3V & VDDQ=2.5V
U: VDD=2.5V & VDDQ=2.5V
W: VDD=2.5V & VDDQ=1.8V
S: VDD=1.8V & VDDQ=1.8V
C: VDD=1.5V & VDDQ=1.5V

I found the info via this site http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?p=3030348

I'm new to the forum thing and if it inappropriate to post links like this please let me know.:rockout:

[Skitzo]

Did you find your solder points yet? The link in my last post seems t be one of the pics you sent me, but with the solder points marked aswell. Could be useful:roll: Does this look right Scrizz?

[Scrizz]

nice find there Skitzo.
and posting links will get you BANNED in no time lol j/k

[Skitzo]

Was just browsing through a local sale advert and I noticed an XFX GeForce 8800GS XXX 680MHZ 384MB 192BIT 1.6GHZ DDR3 on sale ($120 after mir). I'm curious what kind of potential it might have. Does anyone have any experience with this card? :twitch:
EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GS 550MHZ 384MB 1.6GHZ DDR3 also on sale for $109 after mir.


ok...found the thread. Seems performance increases would be worth it. From what I read is this the card at it's limits already(XFX)? I may have to reconsider that I would choose xfx over evga even though the oc isn't as nice. Too many horror stories. But hey I could be wrong and getting biased info. All manufactures have defects due to the fact that mass production isn't perfect and quality control is very expensive. I guess it's cheaper with all things considered to warranty a few than test them all. And as far as chips go well hey if it will do something, anything at all it has to have value doesn't it? I can't wait for the optical processors to hit the market. i understand work is under way to incorporate gpu processing into the cpu aswell. With the potential for the optical cpu speeds, that makes sense I guess

I know wrong thread...fingers before brain I suppose...my appologies, still getting used to posting in forums.

[Dobbie]

I think they're really new, but i'm not sure. ncix.com has some prices most of the time. Does anyone know where I could get a Zerotherm GX810 or higher but a GX? I'm living in canada so newegg is not going to work.

[Skitzo]

yeah those are ncix prices....best place I've found for decent pricing.:)

[Skitzo]

Have you asked anyonr at ncix? They are listed along with tigerdirect.com under where to buy. If not I just sent an email to a fellow at a local ncix store. Should know for sure soon enough.:roll:

[Dobbie]

Have you asked anyonr at ncix? They are listed along with tigerdirect.com under where to buy. If not I just sent an email to a fellow at a local ncix store. Should know for sure soon enough.:roll:

I checked the site but I didn't see them there. I think that cooler would be the best for the 8600 GT, but I'm soo impressed with it's design. I plate under the fan which makes pushes all the air right at the fins.

[Skitzo]

oops

[Skitzo]

I'm using a thermalright v2 very happy. I added a hyper 80x80x15mm fan and with my oc at 770/905 my temp doesn't go over 49C it idles at 37C compared to 48C and 64C with the stock cooler

like I said very happy with this cooler:)

[Skitzo]

I was just looking at zerotherms site and the gx line is alot smaller than my v2 with added fan. I lose 2 rear slots, the second lost slot could be used for a low profile card but otherwise would obstruct airflow to the vga fan (2-3mm space at most):ohwell:

[Skitzo]

I was wondering if they could be ajusted on the fly. I've been teaching myself some electronics (other projects) but still have alot to learn. I like options and a couple of trim pots seem like a more flexable solution than pencil or conductive ink/paint. I haven't played with suface mount components yet but I have a 25W iron so 2 solder points shouldn't be too big a challenge if I am quick. I may even have a few trim pots to choose from.

[wolf]

Skitzo, im not sure about those solder points... some of them are the same as the pencil points, which stands to reason, but i think ill let Solaris cross-reference them fiost :D

still good find m8 thanks :D

and tes the 8800GS (soon to be 9600GSO) is an awesome card for the money, and so is a 9600GT, so if your after a cheap upgrade, id look into either of those 2, or for a little more an 8800GT.

[mattewre]

Hi all!
I'm new... (sorry for my bad english)

I have a zotac 8800gt with Quimonda Ram HYB18H512321BF-10
According to Q. data sheet (http://www.qimonda.com/graphics-ram/gddr3/index.html) they are the ones that work @2.0volt.
do you think that pencil mod is a good way to increase freq. or a reverse mod is needed?
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/2707/8800gtg92vgpuvmemmodssmvo7.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=8800gtg92vgpuvmemmodssmvo7.jpg)

[wolf]

i havent done the memory mods myself, i sorta feel that memory over clocking doesnt really achieve much unless you can get more than about 20% extra bandwith from the oc, which is unlikely, core and shader overclocks will heed much more performance than a memory overclock anyway. and with core vmods you can probably get the whole core (shaders also) running about 25% faster, which will be awesomely noticeable.

but in any case i have no idea wheter the reverse mod will be better, try both i guess, why not :D

[mattewre]

i havent done the memory mods myself, i sorta feel that memory over clocking doesnt really achieve much unless you can get more than about 20% extra bandwith from the oc, which is unlikely, core and shader overclocks will heed much more performance than a memory overclock anyway. and with core vmods you can probably get the whole core (shaders also) running about 25% faster, which will be awesomely noticeable.

but in any case i have no idea wheter the reverse mod will be better, try both i guess, why not :D

mmm... ok! thx for your answer!
the problem is that i'm not able to do hard-vmod with soldering points, only pencil mod... so nothing for now... first i have to make some experience in soldering old vga, than on my 8800gt... Now i'm under watercooling and I soft-vmodded @1.1 from bios... (750mhz gpu)...
bye!

[Skitzo]

Seems to me it would depend on what else is in the circuit and if it can handle the extra power. I've been playing with ic's a little and if one could identify the chip and it's pins putting a direct adjustable power feed to it(ground pin (-)) may avoid anything in the circuit that can't handle the power. If i understand it correctly the resistors before ground determine power throughput (add resistor after led). If other parts of the circuit or card draw power from the same point and have different grounds it could cause problems after a certain point one would think. But at the same time giving direct power to the chip may cause problems after the chip. Or other parts may need the power too. I need to do some more self educating but if I understand this wrong or someone has more to add please chime in. :confused:



lol or maybe there is no understanding yet...

and a question, I thought that voltage was determined by the Vsource unless going through an inverter or convertor. Doesn't changing the resistance change the current not the voltage? Are there perhaps some transitors (amp) in this circuit that is changing the voltage after the resistance change.
Now I'm confused, sorry, I've been reading to much and getting ahead of myself.

[Solaris17]

you need to always put a resistor right avter the voltage regulation chip this is usually a good idea as if you were to do it a little after the other resistors in the cuircuit have aleady broken the voltage down...most of the time when over volting what you have to hope for is your core not burning out...most of the transistors and resistors on the pcb have a very high tolerance in most cases your are more pron to burn the core than a resistor so worrying about what comes after the core ususally doesnt matter...however with voltage comes heat and some resistors get scolding on in order to keep them from blowing you need to take a ram sink and put them on the mosfets to keep them from going off like a grenade..hope that answered some of your questions..


and a question, I thought that voltage was determined by the Vsource unless going through an inverter or convertor. Doesn't changing the resistance change the current not the voltage? Are there perhaps some transitors (amp) in this circuit that is changing the voltage after the resistance change.
Now I'm confused, sorry, I've been reading to much and getting ahead of myself.

the current is measured in amps more so milli amps..changing the resistance does infact change the voltage...if you relese resistance voltage increases if you increase resistance voltage drops.


Voltage=powere used by component(like horsepower)
Amps=drive of the electical current(like gas)
wattage=over all powere consumption by the object(like MPG)

clear it up?...if you need anything i may be able to clerify.

[Skitzo]

Thanks Sol.....yes that answered some of my questions....but I have many more. May I ask where you got your electronics knowledge from(curiosity not a judgment)? I've mostly been teaching myself for projects because there always seems t be something I need that I can't buy. I've been working on a light for my dog(walk after dark off leash). I've purchased many over the last couple years and they've all been crap. So I will build the ultimate. I didn't realize all the different ways to flash leds(I know very simple but ya gotta start somewhere). The ic's are fun, got some 7555/6's a couple of weeks ago (old old old), experimenting with astable and monostable combo's,built a power latch for it gotta get some el wire to play with too. Looking into motion and light sensors aswell. Very interesting I find, but only the tip of the iceburg.

[Skitzo]

And that's how i ended up in this forum. I saw v-mod and thought hrmmmmnnn posssibilities.:toast:

[Solaris17]

I learned at first by myself...i learn by seeing so i bought a bunch of crystal radios from radio shack when i was a little kid for like $5 each it was my b-day so i had like $30 i blew most of it on like 8 radios...from their i learned some pretty basic soldering skills...and by reading diagrams i was able to learn alot...i figured out if i looked at it like a high way with speed limits in different places it was easier to understand..and then i learned how to do the math for those speed limits...were a resistor was soldered was another sighn that would slow down the car that much more...and a transistor is a place were you kinda parked and reved it up..to take off a pre determined amount faster..then in high school i took some electronic courses about resistance and cicuitry...i had a nack for it and excelled in the calss then i bought some book sto learn with...after that i wanted to vmod my 9250...seeing as increasing core voltage got you better oc's the same would work with a grfx card on a smaller scale...so i looked it up...and found 1 or 2 and wondered were they got in the info....now adays i figure it out...with all i have learned and some advanced theory on how i think it should work..and when i get a new card i look at the voltage reguation chip and i go to the manufacturers web site and download the pdf schematics with the pin reads from their its touch and go..but b4 i try anything so i dont blow it up i read and compare than i follow the traces with a magnifying glass etc...and just look at how it breaks down on the card.

[Skitzo]

Great analogy, being able to explain things in a way that people can understand is a gift. Too bad most people with that gift don't teach.

[Skitzo]

I asked about changing the resistance while the card was opperational beacause I thought it might be interesting to put together a circuit that could adjust the voltage up and down with a couple of tac switches. An on demand adjustment, a display for realtime voltage could incorporated aswell. Use a programable ic and it could most likely be used on a variety of models. Fun tool for mod enthusiasts. Soooo many ideas..

[Solaris17]

voltage editing while thae card is on is EXTREMELY dangerous..i killed my 8600GT doing it by modding it .1v while it was running....some ppl use a variable pot that has a turn dial on it to adjust voltage...however they usually do so while it is off...however it may be possible...for example if you had an lcd display that reads voltage you could...if you have a voltage regulator chip or as you said a programmable ic...you could wire that to the lcd panel to read voltage and then attache that to the + and ground on vcore or vmem points which ever you wanted to read card voltage...and i bet if you had a variable pot...you could possibly get another programmable ic that can adjust which pins are on and off...for example b4 you solder the pot to the card you put resistors etc inbetween at chich point you program the IC's o enable or disable certain resistors when applying voltage say you had it at default..and then turned the voltage up i would disable a 30kohm resistor and enable a 20 effectively lowering resistance and since those resistors and not the ones on the car are putting up with the direct change it may be possible to safetly adjust while it is on without burning it out..and since your read IC is soldered to the positive and ground on the card your lcd panel shows change inreal time...not a bad idea.

[Skitzo]

0 ohm resistors ( if the right wattage could be found) could protect the card, help absorb any surge that made it through(don't think surge is the righ term)
would there be a point on the card, I'm thinking the chip that would allow for measuring stability (anything that could be identified by a simple NOT(if I remember right) circuit could be used to make incrimental increase automatically? If so a timer could be used for delayed retest after positive detection and incrimental increase. It would just repeat until it was stable or reached failure. Failsafes could be used too, mutiple parameters for instability detection maybe, try to measure how unstable. :)

[Solaris17]

all over clocking is done via driver and bios manipulation of the pll...their is no way that i know of to modify such things physically...and measuring stability may be out of the quesion as voltages and clocks arent enough varables to make a good comparison off of..unless you were measuring voltage fluctuation that could resault in stability or even failing components however their are so many transistors resistors mosfets and voltage regulators that thats not a normal enough problem.

[Skitzo]

well as far as what we are doing with the volt mods, I guess I'm wondering how the chip reacts when it's being stretched beyond current power capabilities. When I oc my 8600gt, it artifacts before any other problems. If a voltage increase can solve this, is there any basic symptoms in the chip itself that would indicate "FEED ME MORE POWER" What kind of fluctuations are happening because of the shortage. I think I would need an oscillioscope to find out.

[Skitzo]

yeah do the oc the same way but, this is just to manipulate the power for stability. Mostly for convenience and time.

[Solaris17]

the easiest way to tell if your chip needs mroe power is by doing comparisons...for example if you google or even go to newegg...and look up the 8600GT look at some of the stock clocks..some are around lets say 700 others 740 some 690..so if you get one thats stock at 700 you then look online and see ppl have OC'd it to like 780....without vmod...so you get to around 770 or 765 and you artifact or you get a black screen(pretty famous symptom) that should be an imediate indicator you need more juice...if you give it power and say you mod it to 1.4 or 1.5v and you get it to 800 or 830 be for the same thing hapopens then you go online and some with the volt mod got to 795 or 850 varying...than you know your spacific peice of silicon has reached its limit for the current vmod.

[Skitzo]

if there is a reaction in the voltage like a car sputtering as it runs out of fuel. It was mentioned that the biggets concern is the chip burning up well with adequate cooling what is next, path degridation due to ABUSE! lol Like the oil wearing holes in the pipelines as the pump it

[Solaris17]

in a manner of speaking yes while under stress and increased voltage the wear can become extreme...shortening the life span of the chip greately and though it does it at a pretty rapid rate compatred to normal degradation it will still last a year or 2 or 3 at which point you will probably buy a new card b4 its death to begin with so it doesnt happen to often however the resistors and mosfets get extremely stressed and those will go much faster than the core degredation in some cases a matter of weeks..

[Skitzo]

Some has to do it first right? So if you can't check out what others have done and want to figure it out yourself there has got to be many ways to do it, this is a way where everyone who used could be the first (but not at the same time lol). If a person could get their hands on data sheets for components (chips), they would know what manufacturers rate the limits and know where noman's land i starts. From there everyone is an explorer. This would just make it easy. One could go to town own the failsafes to make it usable with basic skills but complexity breeds problems

[Solaris17]

haha i know all about the complexity breeds problem theiry it is absolutely true..

[Skitzo]

aside from replacing components how could the stress be minimalized. In the case of resistors they are rated for power levels before breaking down to resistance levels. If voltage is increased power is increased, more heat degridation and power flow degridation(I wonder if the electrons eat away at the pathways like the before mentioned oil). Heat can be delt with to a certain degree but the damage from excess power well... I don't know anything that will help that.(minimal surface mount knowledge so I don't know about difference(if any aside from the obvious) in those components.)

[Skitzo]

two tac switches no auto...sometimes things can be too convenient.:rockout:

the push button oc is nice for people who just want results and aren't into the inbetween stuff

[Solaris17]

thats exactly what happens the power stream eats away at the pathways you get degradation at any level of voltage even stock its common physics however at higher voltage also brings a more rapid degradation time line.

[Skitzo]

instead of having a pic and different resistors maybe an ic with multiple identical resistors when activated alone or in combination add up to the desired R I think that might be a more stable way of inreasing power. Less of a surge I think.

[Solaris17]

good call that would provide correction to the slight voltage fluctuation in the resistor b4 it.

[Skitzo]

it could be built to incorporate a large range and it would be up to user not to fry anything. Would have to be able to set minimums though....hrmn more complex in a deifferent way might have to build for each card (different selection of resistors anyways.) If no added resistors were functioning then it would still have stock voltage so yeah I talked myself in a ceircle lol)

[Skitzo]

I've seen kits at the local electronics store (build it yourself) kinda large and flakey but they are great to learn how a circuit funtions. They have mm kits so it shouldn't be hard to build one from scratch and the lcd are cool but there are older displays(not remembering the name) that I believe are led number panels. so a display could be fashioned fairly cheap too.

[Skitzo]

I'm wondering about something like this, http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/FX/FXL2TD245.html but would have to find one with appropriate outputs number and v levels.

[Skitzo]

at this rate i wouldn't be difficult to incorporate a power connector for other than mb power:toast:

[Skitzo]

Sorry Sol!!! This is only the second forum I've joined and the other only saw 2 posts. I'm pretty sure I've taken over your thread. Many appologies.:( You can have it back.:o

[Scrizz]

nice, i think ima get more into....

[largon]

Yikes...
There's a huge amount of things that NEED to be corrected in the last ~100 post or so. Stay tuned. Ginourmous post is going to land...

(maybe tomorrow)

[Solaris17]

EDIT: w/e as long as i get called out in a proper way and not cast in a light that makes me look like a lair.

[largon]

http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/smilies/1409.gif

Dunno why the verbal explosion, and I certainly don't have a problem with you. The first and last time I recall replying your post would be the "6.3GHz-shader-glitch -thread" where, afaik, I made my point perfectly objectively.

[Solaris17]

my apologies largon i just dont want to be portraid as someone who wrongly tries to spread wrong information if you notice that last couple of posts its all purely speculation anyway..iv never delt with a system like that and i just want to make it perfectly clear if it was not already that it was all theory to being with.

[Skitzo]

I managed to get hold of a camera to take some pics of my XFX 8600gt XXX (udd3).
On the first pic I marked what I believe to be the resistors used in the pencil voltage mod. Sorry about the pics, The camera is so so but I'm no photographer. From these pics is there a place that would be acceptable for the mod I've been talking about. A place to add a controlled secondary power input? I don't seem to have a place to attach the 6 pin pci-e psu connector.:) I'm thinking it may just be wishful thinking.:ohwell:

[Scrizz]

Thermalright V2 is one of my fav heatsinks..!
gj

[Skitzo]

It's great, the reference cooler was not my idea of cooling. It was way too loud and didn't provide cooling up to my standards. This setup works very well but takes up alot of space.


Reference Cooler: 48C - 64C
V2 no fan: 54C - 66C
V2 Hyper 80mm slim: 37C - 48C


Personally, my favorite bonus is the noise levels, it is very quiet. :rockout:

with oc at 770/905 no v-mods: 39C-49C (factory clocks 620/800)

[Skitzo]

take a look at this pic, are these burns from my oc or manufacturing?:confused:




edit: I see a scratch and burnt component aswell: see zoom pic

[Trigger911]

lol that would be scary that your card?

[Skitzo]

yeah that's my card. I see smoke and sparks in it's future... hrmn
these marks aren't visable without the flash on the camera. Maybe they are on more than just mine...



All I had to do was think V-Mod and I burnt my card!:laugh:

[Dobbie]

yeah that's my card. I see smoke and sparks in it's future... hrmn
these marks aren't visable without the flash on the camera. Maybe they are on more than just mine...
All I had to do was think V-Mod and I burnt my card!:laugh:

I can try taking a pic of my card to find out if anything looks missed, but I did have my card up to 115 when I first did the pencil mod correctly with stock cooler (hopefully nothing really happened in those 10-15 secs of that heat).

I have a Zalman VF900-Cu LED on the way that I won on ebay so hopefully I'll have some good clocks to talk about.

[Scrizz]

I've had mine at 110C for a couple of mins on the stock cooler. It still worked fine/no burning.

@Skitzo: I had to use my vf900 screws to secure my V2 because the regular screws would touch up against resistors next to the screw holes(that's probably why the xfx xxx edition cards are only secured by two screws further apart)

[Dobbie]

Well I'll be off work and home in about an hour or so, so I should be able to have some pics at that time.

[Skitzo]

I checked, my V2 isn't touching anything it isn't supposed to. :rockout:

[Dobbie]

Well my camera's batteries were dead :(, but with a close look at the card I couldn't see anything like burn marks or anything.

[Dobbie]

I the vMod pics, is it the first pic or the sec one that is the memory voltage?

[Dobbie]

Never mind I found out which one. Oh I just ordered a 8800 GTS 320mb from ncix for $174 shipping and taxes. I can't wait to see how much it can OC ;)

[Scrizz]

cool, now just send me your 8600gt :D :laugh:

[Dobbie]

cool, now just send me your 8600gt :D :laugh:

:laugh: send me some money frist lol :p

[Dobbie]

I think I'll be putting it up on ebay with it still BIOS modded to get some more money for it :D

[Skitzo]

I just installed a 9600gt ...nice improvement. Quiet too. Ran mark06 out of curiosity, 10500 with stock settings accross the board.:rockout:

[Dobbie]

I just installed a 9600gt ...nice improvement. Quiet too. Ran mark06 out of curiosity, 10500 with stock settings accross the board.:rockout:

I think my 8800 GTS will beat your 9600 GT :p

[Skitzo]

maybe my 9600Gt will :nutkick: your 8800 from behind then :slap: it silly before it knows what hit it. It'll be :banghead: cause it's so loud it never heard my 9600GT coming. :roll:
:cool:

[Scrizz]

omfg i need a gfx card....

[wolf]

hey Skitzo i got a 9600GT and some love overclocking my quad so i pulled 13,486 3d marks:D

9600GT: 775/1944/2100
Q6600: 3600mhz

not bad for a midrange card, and a decent cpu oc.

[Solaris17]

I'll have you know that I Solaris17 Recognize Wolf as the officially Dominating My skillz in the field of overclocking said component one 9600GT. As I Solaris17 without Vmod cant get it to stabilize past 740mhz core.


You win a

http://img.techpowerup.org/080411/gold-trophy605.jpg

[Skitzo]

yeah mine runs stock at 740 so I need what a couple mhz to beat you on gpu core lol. I grabbed the xfx alpha dog. :rockout:
Ihaven't had a chance to oc yet. But I tell ya, as an htpc card, tv veiwing is the best I've seen yet. woohoo! :roll:
I've only had my e6750 up to 3.52 Ghz. Need better ram to hit higher. It hit 3.2 with stock voltages ... sweet. And no temp problems, never goes above 53C with a zalman 8700 set at 50%. Doesn't seem to like that oc since I've updated all the drivers.:banghead:

[wolf]

why thankyou :D thats very high praise from the mighty solaris :D its a hella sweet card for the money, and with the quad humming, it really flies.

[Solaris17]

yeah mine runs stock at 740 so I need what a couple mhz to beat you on gpu core lol. I grabbed the xfx alpha dog. :rockout:
Ihaven't had a chance to oc yet. But I tell ya, as an htpc card, tv veiwing is the best I've seen yet. woohoo! :roll:
I've only had my e6750 up to 3.52 Ghz. Need better ram to hit higher. It hit 3.2 with stock voltages ... sweet. And no temp problems, never goes above 53C with a zalman 8700 set at 50%. Doesn't seem to like that oc since I've updated all the drivers.:banghead:

lol go for it man :)

[Solaris17]

why thankyou :D thats very high praise from the mighty solaris :D its a hella sweet card for the money, and with the quad humming, it really flies.

modified pic :)

[Skitzo]

hey list your clock speeds and benchmarks, lets see how sweet she is. I don't need a screen shot, those can be faked too lol.:)

[Solaris17]

hey list your clock speeds and benchmarks, lets see how sweet she is. I don't need a screen shot, those can be faked too lol.:)

i can assure you wolf wont fake anything

[Skitzo]

I never ment to imply he would, just saying I'm willing to take him at his word, thats all.:cool:

[Solaris17]

I never ment to imply he would, just saying I'm willing to take him at his word, thats all.:cool:

understood i was just saying :)

[Solaris17]

why thankyou :D thats very high praise from the mighty solaris :D its a hella sweet card for the money, and with the quad humming, it really flies.

lol i bet it does im so jealous...lol why thank you i should make a smaller version so ppl can put them in their sigs to parae around like they do HWbot trophys

[wolf]

so far @ 775/1944/2100 and the Q6600@ 3600mhz, shes pulling.

~350 fps, in lightsmark 1280x1024
13,486 06'3dmakrs
~180,000 aquamarks

as for games halo on full @ 1440x900 is 280-550 fps :D
test drive unlimited 1440x900 Max +HDR +4xAA is 65 fps solid.

thats about all ive tested so far, any more reccomendations?

and thanks again solaris, ima make some of that post into my sig later, being a solaris17 recognised and respected overclocker is high praise indeed!

[Dobbie]

I can't wait for my 8800 GTS to come in :cry:. I want to see the big difference from the 8600 GT :D. Then I know I will be :banghead: to OC it nicely and wasting my time.

[Solaris17]

what wasted your time?

[Dobbie]

Not really, just have 2 big projects to finish off the year at college. So I should be spending my time on that lol

[Skitzo]

without any tweeking, my 9600gt doubled my stock 3dmarks so it'll do for a bit. maybe... :toast: