Canadian Police Will Not Hunt Down Demonoid Users; Will Tolerate Piracy [Archive]

zekrahminator

11-11-2007, 11:24 PM

In a stunning turnaround from the staunch anti-piracy position the CRIA has against Demonoid, the Canadian police announced that they are not going to hunt down every Demonoid user. They are also not going to target the average pirate. Instead of focusing on every college student and old lady who downloads a song or two off of a P2P network, the Canadian police are going after organized crime/piracy, as well as piracy that affects the health and safety of citizens. In an interview with Le Devoir (http://www.ledevoir.com/2007/11/08/163562.html), Noël St-Hilaire, head of copyright theft investigations of the Canadian police, discussed the new Canadian stance on piracy. He said that chasing down every single pirate is tedious, time consuming, and generally fruitless. A very simple statement of the new Canadian view of piracy: Piracy for personal use is no longer targeted. It is too easy to copy these days and we do not know how to stop it.

Torrent Freak discovered quite a few studies that show piracy as having a beneficial effect on the economy (http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-boosts-cd-sales-071103).

Source: Torrent Freak (http://torrentfreak.com/canadian-police-tolerates-piracy-071110/)

intel igent

11-11-2007, 11:25 PM

me luvs me country :)

:toast:

panchoman

11-11-2007, 11:31 PM

canada ftw!!!

Nemesis881

11-11-2007, 11:33 PM

as well as piracy that affects the health and safety of citizens.

i didnt know piracy was bad for your health :wtf:

Weer

11-11-2007, 11:33 PM

As if we needed more reasons to move there.. ;)

jurrasstoil

11-11-2007, 11:40 PM

Piracy for personal use is no longer targeted. It is too easy to copy these days and we do not know how to stop it.

Sueing 99.8% of the citizens should do the job...

magibeg

11-11-2007, 11:40 PM

I was glad to hear this. I'm so happy my country has its head on straight every once in a while.

WhiteLotus

11-11-2007, 11:43 PM

so does canada allow UK citezens to migrate there?

panchoman

11-11-2007, 11:44 PM

haven't canadian citizens been protected from getitng sued for piracy since way back?

Unless you live in Canada, downloading copyrighted material via P2P may put you at risk for a lawsuit. Canadian users are currently shielded from P2P lawsuits. Canada signed the 1997 World Intellectual Property Organization Internet Treaties, but has not yet ratified them by enacting their provisions into domestic law.

from torrentportal

Lopez0101

11-11-2007, 11:47 PM

It's too bad the government in the US won't say the same thing to the RIAA and force them to sit down and shut up and find a way to make their business more modern.

11-12-2007, 12:07 AM

i didnt know piracy was bad for your health :wtf:

*pirate speaking on* you wouuld starrt speakiiing in a funnyyy waaay *pirate speaking off* :)

3991vhtes

11-12-2007, 12:10 AM

*moves to Canada*

imperialreign

11-12-2007, 12:11 AM

Sueing 99.8% of the citizens should do the job...

don't give the US gov any ideas . . . they're crazy/stoopid enough to do that

WhiteLotus

11-12-2007, 12:16 AM

don't give the US gov any ideas . . . they're crazy/stoopid enough to do that

i like that point - although yes they probably will or make the Canadians do it there way anywya

panchoman

11-12-2007, 12:28 AM

don't give the US gov any ideas . . . they're crazy/stoopid enough to do that

agreed

WarEagleAU

11-12-2007, 12:52 AM

so does this mean Demonoid is back in action? If not, it doesnt really make me happy :(

panchoman

11-12-2007, 12:54 AM

well its still down, but if gets new servers, it should work, since the site was closed down due to the company that was renting it servers was threatened.

theonetruewill

11-12-2007, 02:05 AM

the Canadian police are going after organized crime/piracy

I'm down with that.

WarEagleAU

11-12-2007, 02:13 AM

well then, lets hope they get new servers.

a111087

11-12-2007, 02:42 AM

lol, really, it's impossible to stop copy of anything...

newconroer

11-12-2007, 04:25 AM

Hehe typical Canucks :)

But hey you know, if they target the piracy 'lords,' who openly flaunt their 'skillzzzz' on the web, then that would do well.

Knock off groups like Razor, FLT and Proto.

"It's too bad the government in the US won't say the same thing to the RIAA and force them to sit down and shut up and find a way to make their business more modern."

So giving into crime is 'modern?'

Chewy

11-12-2007, 04:37 AM

Sueing 99.8% of the citizens should do the job...

I think that would be to much of a waste of taxpayers money.. just like the prison system is.

I'll say about 30% of people who are into music elc in Canada pirate.

My guess on it being bad for your health, is hospitals that use pirated software... some hospital software costs like 20 or 40 grand.

Woah Mama!

11-12-2007, 04:44 AM

+1 Reasons for me to get my arse over to Vancouver to live with a mate there. I think the Canadian Police may just be the only ones with reasonable intelligence.
Instead of using up resources to try find everyone who downloads something, whilst they effectively lower resources on hunting down murderers and drug dealers. They seem to know what they are doing, unlike Supertroopers may incline though.

Lopez0101

11-12-2007, 05:23 AM

"It's too bad the government in the US won't say the same thing to the RIAA and force them to sit down and shut up and find a way to make their business more modern."

So giving into crime is 'modern?'

That's not really what I meant. I meant instead of them suing they need to make change their business plan to make people WANT to buy their product instead of downloading it.

XooM

11-12-2007, 05:48 AM

It doesnt mean demonoid is back in action, but it does mean that all of us with demonoid accounts are safe.

ShadowXP

11-12-2007, 06:06 AM

Random Murderer

11-12-2007, 06:12 AM

Instead of focusing on every college student and old lady who downloads a song or two off of a P2P network,

what about the morons who download thousands of songs or 100's of GB of illegal software?

Random Murderer

11-12-2007, 06:22 AM

Good to see that there's humans that still retain some form of intelligence even after joining the government :P

Seriously, why they haven't realized this before is beyond me. It's the same way here in Norway. The police will not bother going after someone that downloads a song or a game every now and then. They want the people behind the bigger hubs/networks. Same as with drugdealers, really, if viewed narrowly. Why bother spending all the resources on catching someone that sells an ounce of hash two times a week, when you can hunt down the tosspot that brings 50 kilo over the border twice a month?

Get the source, not the smalltimers. Sadly, though, RIAA will never understand this fact, since they've got their own heads so far up their own butts to actually see the merit of the idea.

exactly! the riaa is tactless and near sighted in their "quest," and i don't condone what they do or how they do it, but i have some advice for them: RIAA, SAVE YOUR FUCKING TIME AND MONEY AND SUE THE COMPANIES THAT PROMOTE AND HELP PIRACY, NOT THE SMALL TIME PIRATES. YOU WILL BE FAR MORE SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR BATTLE AND YOUR RESOURCES WILL MAKE A LARGER IMPACT.

Woah Mama!

11-12-2007, 07:04 AM

It doesnt mean demonoid is back in action, but it does mean that all of us with demonoid accounts are safe.

Not exactly, I'd assume that the accounts that have had a high bandwidth of downloads will be investigated quite thoroughly as Zek mentioned "Canadian police announced that they are not going to hunt down every Demonoid user. They are also not going to target the average pirate.".

But still, better to keep your guard up and be wary of what you download, they may announce they won't target personal downloading. But if you download a bit too much then I think that you are more likely to be tracked now then before the CRIA made this useless lawsuit against the Demonoid server provider. I'm just so glad now that one countries Police force has made what is in my mind, a move in the right direction.

I love watching TopGear. We have only just seen the end of season 8 here in Australia, I don't want.. No, I can't wait 2-3 years to be able to see the newest episode.

Lopez0101

11-12-2007, 07:17 AM

exactly! the riaa is tactless and near sighted in their "quest," and i don't condone what they do or how they do it, but i have some advice for them: RIAA, SAVE YOUR FUCKING TIME AND MONEY AND SUE THE COMPANIES THAT PROMOTE AND HELP PIRACY, NOT THE SMALL TIME PIRATES. YOU WILL BE FAR MORE SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR BATTLE AND YOUR RESOURCES WILL MAKE A LARGER IMPACT.

They don't because they know they'll lose almost every time. They'll win more suing small groups or individuals than trying to shut down sites since a new one will just come back to take it's place, not much of a scare tactic when compared to one person being fucked financially for the rest of their lives along with thousands of others.

Woah Mama!

11-12-2007, 07:19 AM

Ain't that the truth.

Random Murderer

11-12-2007, 07:20 AM

They don't because they know they'll lose almost every time. They'll win more suing small groups or individuals than trying to shut down sites since a new one will just come back to take it's place, not much of a scare tactic when compared to one person being fucked financially for the rest of their lives along with thousands of others.

right, but if you take down one large group or website, not only does it discourage hundreds if not thousands of pirates, but it also slows the pirates down and hurts the pirating network. even if another site pops up, it'll take a long while for it to grow to the size of the one just taken down.

Wile E

11-12-2007, 08:58 AM

right, but if you take down one large group or website, not only does it discourage hundreds if not thousands of pirates, but it also slows the pirates down and hurts the pirating network. even if another site pops up, it'll take a long while for it to grow to the size of the one just taken down.But the fact remains that another will come along. In the overall scheme of things, piracy won't be effected.

I agree with others, instead of pursuing downloaders and torrent sites, the industry needs to concentrate on delivering products that aren't overpriced, and that are worth buying. That's the only thing that will lessen the effects of piracy. Continually putting out high priced garbage is what's killing them.

Lopez0101

11-12-2007, 03:49 PM

Sure there will still be people that just don't want to pay anything for it but you'll find there are plenty of people willing to pay an artist for their music, they just don't want to pay 16$ for one album with 8-12 songs that clocks in at 45 minutes.

DR.Death

11-12-2007, 04:59 PM

16$ i wish a cd was that cheep here we pay like 23$ yo 26$ for one cd

newconroer

11-12-2007, 05:15 PM

That's not really what I meant. I meant instead of them suing they need to make change their business plan to make people WANT to buy their product instead of downloading it.

Well hell mate, if you can figure that out, they should just hire you :)

Chewy

11-12-2007, 05:49 PM

right, but if you take down one large group or website, not only does it discourage hundreds if not thousands of pirates, but it also slows the pirates down and hurts the pirating network. even if another site pops up, it'll take a long while for it to grow to the size of the one just taken down.

good point, maybe they can take piracy to the nexted step and give the owners of the websites some real time in jail.. Im talking 10+ years, not the puny 3 years or whatever they get now... and 10 years where you have to serve most of it.. not get out in just a few years under good behaviour...

heh, if they can screw over a little citizen for life for downloading songs why do the owners only get so jail time.. not like the home user is some major criminally minded indevidual... usually they just cant afford to go buy all kinds of cd's and are in school elc.. than they get screwed for life and might as well turn to the underworld/crime.

newconroer

11-12-2007, 06:02 PM

good point, maybe they can take piracy to the nexted step and give the owners of the websites some real time in jail.. Im talking 10+ years, not the puny 3 years or whatever they get now... and 10 years where you have to serve most of it.. not get out in just a few years under good behaviour...

Only after they start putting murderers and rapists away for even longer, rather than a measily two years, with shortened sentence for 'good behavior.'

Chewy

11-12-2007, 06:19 PM

^^ true true, sometime people kill in self defence though. but hey getting screwed for life financially is worst than going to jail for 3 years or less... atleast if you go to jail for 3 years you can get out and get back on your feet.. now being sued crazy amounts of money for downloading music for personal use is just totally wrong and ruins the life of most times, a good citizen.

Gun crime here in Canada has taken a more serious note in the juridical system, thier not putting up with it as much.. but yeah we shouldnt be so lenient at times with people who kill others and blame it on drugs, lifestyle elc.

ccox0909

11-13-2007, 07:11 PM

Smart decision....They will never hunt down every demonoid user ever..;)

MadCow

11-13-2007, 10:44 PM

Canada FTW. Now if only the Ontario government inherited that common sense. :laugh:

Makaveli

11-16-2007, 11:59 PM

Another proud Canadian here!

Thank god we still got some common sense up north!

Just give it some time the RIAA, will eventually fuck someone over for life, that will flip and blow up a building. Not something I want to see but it will happen.

Those that lust for greed will eventually be done in by it.

zekrahminator

11-17-2007, 12:01 AM

16$ i wish a cd was that cheep here we pay like 23$ yo 26$ for one cd

I pay between $10 and $16 per CD, depending on the raw amount of content, thanks to my Rhapsody account :).

Of course, I have to deal with DRMs. So I usually just burn it all to CD and stop worrying :D.

Wile E

11-17-2007, 07:10 AM

I pay between $10 and $16 per CD, depending on the raw amount of content, thanks to my Rhapsody account :).

Of course, I have to deal with DRMs. So I usually just burn it all to CD and stop worrying :D.
You also have to deal with the fact that it's a lower quality than an actual CD.

newconroer

11-17-2007, 07:13 AM

Look at all these proud Canucks.

Yet where are did all your hockey teams go!!!?!?

:(

Hehe

Chewy

11-17-2007, 04:07 PM

Look at all these proud Canucks.

Yet where are did all your hockey teams go!!!?!?

:(

Hehe

down south where big paychecks await :P that happens in all sports, players go to where the monnies are at, just like soccer players. (especially Brazilain soccer players after the Brazilian currency fell, by 50% and remains there today).

Sidney Crosby used to play hockey with a good friend of mine, hes from the same part of town that we live in (this place used to be "fairly" small). Im not much into the game though, I like extreme sports.