MSI K7N2 Delta-L + XP MOBILE 2400 Will this Work?

[suraswami]

Currently I have
Motherboard: MSI K7N2 Delta-L
Processor - Duron 1.6 overclocked to 2.1 @ 1.55 Volts
Video Card - AIW 9600 XT (Retail version after having problems with OEM)
Memory - 1 GB (Corsair 256MB valueselect, kingston 256MB value ram and kingston 512 MB value ram) @FSB 175.
(very limited budget gaming machine)

Everything works well and I get good overclock using ATITool Beta 0.24 version. I also get decent fps using the duron @ 2.1ghz. I was wondering if I could replace the Duron with a Athlon XP MOBILE 2400+ and get more performance in games (ofcourse more overclock). Also plan to do some video editing, will the XP Mobiles be of good choice.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16819103400

or the Mobile 2500 chip
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16819103401

First of all I am not sure if I can use a Mobile chip in my motherboard. Please advise.

Until more budget permits I would like to stick with the setup for some time.

Please help.

[Security718]

First of all, I would check with the manufacturer of your motherboard to insure that it will support the Athlon XP Mobile CPU. From what I can tell by what is posted here, it will be unlikely however that your current board will support the mobile type CPU. Also, I see that you shop with newegg.com, as I do. I would also like to suggest another comparable site in which to buy your hardware, etc... http://www.chiefvalue.com

[turbopsi]

I'm pretty sure your motherboard will support the Mobile Athlon XP.

If your motherboard supports barton cores, the mobile will work. It might read as Unknown CPU in the BIOS bootscreen, but who cares.

My 2400+ runs 2.6ghz :)

[suraswami]

Thanks for your reply. I got the 2400+ XP Mobile and it is screaming fast!!! It is stable at 2.4GHZ with 1.6V. But if I try to push beyond the 200 fsb mark I have problems with games like locking/freezing. I purchased DDR 400 memory to push further. I purchased the Kingston brand 256MB and 512MB cas 3 versions. I put these along with the existing Corsair ddr 400 256 MB memory. With the corsair alone it goes upto 208FSB (208 x 12) beyond that I need more voltage and my case is not that good so it heats up. I guess the Kingstons are not compatible or good enough like corsair even for slight out of specs clocking. Even at 202 FSB the kingston's are not that stable. I might have to try Corsair itself. But for $52 for 512+256 you can't beat the price on Kingston.

BTW I tried to relax the timings just to see if it helps but no.

And the 512MB heats up a lot even at stock speeds. Wierd!!

Any body having the same memory and having similar issues?

[turbopsi]

I don't think 1.6v is enough to be stable for 2.4ghz, use prime95 torture test to see its stability.

If it can run prime95 24 hours straight, then your system is stable. You have to remember, just because it boots to windows doesn't mean it is stable.

I try to stick with a certain type of memory, you can get odd results when you mix up memory modules like that.

I would keep the FSB at 200, and try for 2.5ghz(12.5multiplier). I love these cpus! :)

[suraswami]

Thanks turbopsi for the response.

I tried various options with the voltage and FSB in the bios. at 12x200 it is stable like you said at 1.65. But after putting the voltage setting at 1.65, save, reboot and go into bios the voltage in the bios shows as 1.70-1.725. It boots into windows and can play games and passes 3dmark03 tests well. But after 15 to 20 minutes of gaming with the side case closed the temperature of the cpu goes up to 65C. Is this safe? I have enabled the bios alarm and it beeps if it goes to that temperature.

On the other hand I can do 11.5x206 at 1.6 stable. bios shows voltage as 1.66 to 1.7. Also used MBM5 and PCAlert4 software from MSI (as my MB is a MSI). Both show max temp as 60C during gaming.

To reduce the case temp and suck the video card (AIW 9600XT) heat I put a Antec PCI slot fan. It reduced the case by 5C and CPU by 2C (all the above mentioned is after putting the PCI fan - now from ultra quiet PC to mini Turbine PC, noise is annoying :eek: Should I go for VGA Silencer and if I do will it help reduce the case temp and thus the CPU temp?). There is no inblowing fan, one case fan that sucks out at the back along with a 2 80mm fans on the PSU.

Like you suggested I tried to increase the multi and lower the FSB but I guess increasing the FSB gives more performance.

I guess I am stuck at 11.5x206!!

Are Samsung Ram TCCC chips any better than Mosel Vitelic 5ns? Check http://www.techpowerup.com/memdb/

I got the Mosel on one Kingston and on other TCCC. I saw a similar TCCC on the 512 stick. Should I exchange if it is any better?

Any advice appreciated.

[suraswami]

BTW turbopsi what is the voltage u used to get 2.6GHZ??

[turbopsi]

No I didn't mean lower the FSB. A higher FSB and lower multiplier gives you better performance, and better OCs, but if your RAM can't handle above 200fsb, a higher multiplier is your best option(or a memory divider).

I use really high volts to hit 2.6ghz(1.9-2.0), which is why I don't run my mobile at 2.6ghz 24/7, I run it 2.4ghz daily, so my processor has a long life span.

It is 2.4ghz FULLY stable at 1.8v.

And yes.. 65c is very hot. What CPU cooler do you use? It must not be very good..

I'm guessing by TCCC you mean TCCD? Samsung TCCD RAM is some of the best overclockable ram out right now.. I prefer it, or Winbond BH-5.

EDIT: Wow, I just looked at that memory database, Nicely done! I haven't heard of TCCC chips, I would do some research on it if I were you.

[suraswami]

I am using ThermalTake Silent Boost which I got at the local store.

Here is what happened last two days trying to extract more juice out of the processor. I tried to lower the multi and higher the FSB. As I was increasing my FSB slowly one by one and testing, at 210 my machine crashed and never came up at all, even after several times clearing the bios. The diagnostics said 'DEAD CPU'. But put my old Duron, still the same message. Took it to the store where I bought and they told the MB was DEAD :eek:

Luckily I had a performance gaurantee and I exchanged it with a ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe (yes from MSI to ASUS since they don't have any equivalent one).

Put the MB and booted everything is ok. Good thing was I didn't install windows again as both are the same chipset.

Now my voltages and temperature readings are normal (1.625V to 1.65V and 38C idle and 56C load). I guess the MB was dying and didn't report proper temps.

Anyway the CPU is rock solid at 2.4ghz (200x12) at 1.625V. No crashes even after continous 1 hr of playing Battle Field 2.

Let it settle down for a while and then I try my luck to go higher.

Both MBs were good and I already miss my MSI board.

[suraswami]

look into this forum for more interesting stuff about memory chips
http://www.techenclave.com/forums/n...les-4655-3.html