Phenom 9700 Slower, But Cheaper

[keakar]

this was found at tomshardware.com:

Phenom 9700, AMD's 1st Quad-Core CPU
Bert Töpelt
November 19, 2007 00:33

Slower, But Cheaper Than Intel's Smallest Quad-Core
The new compatibility concept can save the consumer a lot of money when buying a new CPU or motherboard. The Phenom processor as well as all of the remaining AM2 CPUs can be used on either the new AM2+ boards or the older AM2 platform.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the_spider_weaves_its_web/page42.html

[OrbitzXT]

This seems to be becoming commonplace for AMD. Slower, but cheaper...the 3870 vs 8800GT and now this if its all true.

[Steevo]

Plus a 3.0Ghz overclock on air, seems to make this a long live platform for performance. Now if they will just make the boards more user friendly and stop putting shit like PCI-e x1 on board that almost nothing uses yet.


Or double space PCI-E slots for actual use, and the first PCI slot at least two away, and no PCI slots between PCI-E slots. And no more floppy support, but USB bootable, or can act as a floppy. I had one board that could do this and it was awesome.


There are alot of other things, but more than likely we will end up doing what we do now, spending alot for a good board that we have to mod to make work anyway.

[keakar]

oops, didnt see this was already posted here http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=44855

[wiak]

Plus a 3.0Ghz overclock on air, seems to make this a long live platform for performance. Now if they will just make the boards more user friendly and stop putting shit like PCI-e x1 on board that almost nothing uses yet.


Or double space PCI-E slots for actual use, and the first PCI slot at least two away, and no PCI slots between PCI-E slots. And no more floppy support, but USB bootable, or can act as a floppy. I had one board that could do this and it was awesome.


There are alot of other things, but more than likely we will end up doing what we do now, spending alot for a good board that we have to mod to make work anyway.

PCI is something that should have been gone long ago
finaly motherboard manufactors put more pcie x1 than pci
so we can get more pcie devices
now you can get pcie x1 SATA controller, audio pcie x1 card, pcie x1 tv cards etc
its not many of them but when motherboard manufactuers start moving to pcie it should get more!

you have to remember pci bus shares everything on a 133mbps bus, with pcie x1 you get dedicated 250mbps both ways (500mbps) for every devices :rockout:

[DanTheBanjoman]

you have to remember pci bus shares everything on a 133mbps bus, with pcie x1 you get dedicated 250mbps both ways (500mbps) for every devices :rockout:

It's MB/s in both cases. Besides, standard PCI can run at 66MHz doubling the bandwidth. If only they increased the speed to that several years ago it wouldn't be such a bottleneck. And if extra traces wouldn't be an issue PCI-X would be a great alternative. However I do agree PCI-e is superior due to the few traces it uses and the potentially superior bandwidth.

[tkpenalty]

basically, motherboard manufacturers should learn to only put PCI-E 4x and 16x slots... not waste some positions for 1x slots. The 4x slots should also NOT have that plastic bit which prevents a full size 16x GPU from being installed on it, it doesnt cost more to do so (it actually costs $0.0001 USD less thanks to less plastic being used, have a think about that foxconn!).

Anyway, PCI is an old standard, and i hope it gets phased out soon. Honestly, its been a bit long since PCI-E was released, and I don't see PCI-E being mainstream for everything else apart from GPUs. PCI-E sound cards would be great! Too bad that sound card manufacturers are taking forever to release on that is substantial.

Back on topic. Its a shame to see AMD fall into the bang for buck sector, but you never know what may happen. If OEMs such as Dell and HP pick up on AMD's new value offerings, it will be to AMD's advantage. Oh well, only time will tell :\ but I guess i won't be upgrading for a while :p

[DanTheBanjoman]

basically, motherboard manufacturers should learn to only put PCI-E 4x and 16x slots... not waste some positions for 1x slots. The 4x slots should also NOT have that plastic bit which prevents a full size 16x GPU from being installed on it, it doesnt cost more to do so (it actually costs $0.0001 USD less thanks to less plastic being used, have a think about that foxconn!).

Anyway, PCI is an old standard, and i hope it gets phased out soon. Honestly, its been a bit long since PCI-E was released, and I don't see PCI-E being mainstream for everything else apart from GPUs. PCI-E sound cards would be great! Too bad that sound card manufacturers are taking forever to release on that is substantial.

Back on topic. Its a shame to see AMD fall into the bang for buck sector, but you never know what may happen. If OEMs such as Dell and HP pick up on AMD's new value offerings, it will be to AMD's advantage. Oh well, only time will tell :\ but I guess i won't be upgrading for a while :p

ISA has existed next to until the Pentium 3 (many slot 1 boards had 1-2 ISA slots). So it's not that weird, however over time there should be less PCI slots. And the idea of using slots with less lanes is good. Having only peg slots with different amount of lanes would be nice. Any card could go anywhere. It shouldn't take up that much space on the board since PCI uses the same amount of space and that always fitted. Since most lanes won't be connected anyway it should be doable.

[Wile E]

ISA has existed next to until the Pentium 3 (many slot 1 boards had 1-2 ISA slots). So it's not that weird, however over time there should be less PCI slots. And the idea of using slots with less lanes is good. Having only peg slots with different amount of lanes would be nice. Any card could go anywhere. It shouldn't take up that much space on the board since PCI uses the same amount of space and that always fitted. Since most lanes won't be connected anyway it should be doable.
My Skt 370 board has an ISA slot as well.

I really like that idea of using only peg slots. It would simplify things greatly.