8ms LCD worse than a CRT Monitor for gaming?

[Widjaja]

Having a debate with a mate about which one would be better for gaming regargdless of the size of the screen.

From what I can see my 17" Phillips CRT seem to be better with games than his 8ms 19'' Chimei VGA LCD.

When playing DiRT on his LCD, it looks blurry whenever he turns left or right and it looks like there is a trail behind the car.
He says it's the way the graphics are supposed to be and my card is not capable of the effect.:wtf:
If it is an effect, I'm happy not to have it.

I reckon he's talking a load of BS since I put my rig together myself (hasn't shat itself once) and he bought his one for twice what I paid for mine, but he's ran into issues with it already like the PSU blowing up & overheating.

What are your guys opinions?

[DOM]

whats are his rig specs ?

[hat]

Yeah, it could be a DX10 effect. Motion blur.

[FujiwaraTakumi]

CRT's have a faster refresh rate than LCD's. I think it's rated in the nanoseconds, but don't quote me on that. Image blurring sometimes comes from a slower refresh rate or poor quality LCD, unless it's part of the game.

[Widjaja]

whats are his rig specs ?

Mates Rig.
PentiumD 945 3.4Ghz
1GB ADATA & 1GB Hitachi? DDR677
Asus 7600GT 256mb PCI-E

[erocker]

Sounds to me like a crappy LCD monitor.

[Steevo]

The newer ATI drivers have a LCD overclocker to clear up blur or transition effects. Works good for me on HDR scenes in the dark, it totally removed the extra transition edge.

[MrW]

It's motion blur from his monitor. It takes time for the pixels to return to black from white, creating a "ghosting effect". All lcd monitors do this but higher end ones are less effected.

[lemonadesoda]

CRT's have a faster refresh rate than LCD's. I think it's rated in the nanoseconds, but don't quote me on that. Image blurring sometimes comes from a slower refresh rate or poor quality LCD, unless it's part of the game.
No. Best CRTs are at 200 Hz or 5ms, but it is interlaced, meaning effectively, a 100Hz full refresh, or 10ms.

If you have a TFT at 8ms, it is basically as fast or better than the best CRT. Remember that a CRT has a "persistance" effect. So although it is refreshing at 5ms, it will "persist" a lot longer than that. TFTs can also trail and shadow. So it's hard to make generalisations from just the "response time".

CRTs are however better at colour representation through. TFTs are often stuck at 6-bit per color and dither or "sparkle" to get 8-bit colour. Thats why a lot of professional photo editors (e.g. for magazines and marketing) still use CRTs. However, these are NOT the CRTs you buy at the local PC store, but devices costing $1000s+.

TODAY, TFTs are better than CRTs when under the $1000 mark. That doesnt mean that ALL TFTs are good. There are some nasty cheap ones out there that are best avoided.

[Widjaja]

If you have a TFT at 8ms, it is basically as fast or better than the best CRT. Remember that a CRT has a "persistance" effect. So although it is refreshing at 5ms, it will "persist" a lot longer than that. TFTs can also trail and shadow. So it's hard to make generalisations from just the "response time".



Ahh so the 'blur/shadow' effect is just LCD being an LCD?

So this effect would also be on 2ms LCDs?

[lemonadesoda]

Yes, it can do. The response time measures a "grey to grey" response. White to black, or black to white, is a bit longer. But of course... that statistic is VERY RARELY SHOWN!

[wazzledoozle]

"Chimei"?

Buying a no-name brand LCD is like burning your money.

[Widjaja]

Cheers my mate read this thread and is now sulking like a little kid whos been scolded by his mummy and daddy.

:roll:

The real purpose of this thread has been accomplished.:toast:

[keakar]

Having a debate with a mate about which one would be better for gaming regargdless of the size of the screen.

From what I can see my 17" Phillips CRT seem to be better with games than his 8ms 19'' Chimei VGA LCD.

When playing DiRT on his LCD, it looks blurry whenever he turns left or right and it looks like there is a trail behind the car.
He says it's the way the graphics are supposed to be and my card is not capable of the effect.:wtf:
If it is an effect, I'm happy not to have it.

I reckon he's talking a load of BS since I put my rig together myself (hasn't shat itself once) and he bought his one for twice what I paid for mine, but he's ran into issues with it already like the PSU blowing up & overheating.

What are your guys opinions?


the blurring is because his monitor cant refresh fast enough so you get the "blurr" as the color changes slower than objects are moving. a better monitor will fix his problem.

crt monitors have better pictures and they are sharper clearer with brighter colors but they arent easy to make, weight a ton, very dangerous to work on, and contain some harmfull chit so they did away with them. they stopped making crt tvs for these same reasons plus they make a buttload of $ selling a $1000 lcd tv instead of a $200 crt tv.

as for his overheating issues, have him read my airflow guide in my sig. he probably just needs to change his fans around to get balanced airflow for proper cooling.

[Lopez0101]

I don't experience any ghosting on my LCD or any bad enough that I notice. There is a little bit when I move windows around in Firefox quickly but in games it isn't that big of a deal or I just don't know what to look for. But with many modern games coming out with motion blur as an affect maybe nobody will notice ghosting. =P

[keakar]

I don't experience any ghosting on my LCD or any bad enough that I notice. There is a little bit when I move windows around in Firefox quickly but in games it isn't that big of a deal or I just don't know what to look for. But with many modern games coming out with motion blur as an affect maybe nobody will notice ghosting. =P

sometimes its more noticable with lesser video cards and slower cpus that exagerate the effect.