G92-Based 8800GTS 512 Could Possibly Arrive December 11th

[zekrahminator]

It would seem as though NVIDIA is celebrating the day that I get my full drivers license, sans passenger restrictions, by releasing the revamped NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS 512, based on the impressive G92 micro-architecture. The new 8800GTS 512 will only come in one flavor, which, as the name suggests, will sport 512MB of 256-bit VRAM. This is opposed to the previous versions, which ship with either 320MB or 640MB of 320-bit VRAM. The new 8800GTS 512 will come with 128 Stream processors, a welcome improvement from the previous 96 Stream processors. The new 8800GTS also has another welcome surprise: an engine clock of 650MHz, higher than any 8800 series GPU before it. Current rumor has it that the 8800GTS 512's 512MB of VRAM will be clocked at roughly 1.96GHz. The 8800GTS 512 should be available on December 11th for between $299 and $349 USD.

Source: Reg Hardware (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/11/26/nvidia_g92_geforce_8800_gts_512/)

[Spunky]

Sick. My Ultras are almost blushing. :(

[Live OR Die]

Isnt the new GTS 512mb and 1gb? or was that a rumor

[erocker]

This is going to smoke the Ultra below 1600x1200.

[bombfirst885]

So there is no 1GB model confirmed? Would you suggest I cancel my MSI 8800GT?

[mab1376]

i cant wait!!!!!! :rockout:

this card will put my G80 card to shame.

[zekrahminator]

There is no 1GB model confirmed at this point, my friend, but I certainly wouldn't cancel the 8800GT ;).

[bombfirst885]

There is no 1GB model confirmed at this point, my friend, but I certainly wouldn't cancel the 8800GT ;).I take it the performance boost isn't worth the 100-150 dollars?

I thought the shader boost put this card at 8800 Ultra levels?

[zekrahminator]

No no, clock speeds are faster than the 8800Ultra, that doesn't mean that there are less shaders ;).

Saying that you should buy an 8800GTS because of higher clock speeds than an 8800Ultra is like saying you should buy a 3.6GHz P4 because it's faster than the 2.8GHz A64 FX-59 :p.

[Aeon19]

OMG this is a freaking holy cr@p holy sh1t graphic card!!

If ATi now still fading away, from 11th of December will be totally annihilated!! :laugh:

And that won't be so good...No ATi-nVidia graphic card's fight? No party...I mean prices..

[bombfirst885]

No no, clock speeds are faster than the 8800Ultra, that doesn't mean that there are less shaders ;).

Saying that you should buy an 8800GTS because of higher clock speeds than an 8800Ultra is like saying you should buy a 3.6GHz P4 because it's faster than the 2.8GHz A64 FX-59 :p.So what are the benefits over the 8800GT OC? I only ask cuz my MSI is on backorder until the 10th. :)

[zekrahminator]

So what are the benefits over the 8800GT OC? I only ask cuz my MSI is on backorder until the 10th. :)

The overclocked 8800 has faster clocks than the 8800GTS :p. Other than that, they're really not much different, other than of course shader count (112 on the GT and 128 on the GTS). If you really think it's worth the $100 difference, than I stand corrected, and think that the 8800GTS 512 will perform better than the 8800GT OC.

[Chewy]

maybe they saved the best dies for this card, since its the same no? as the 8800gt but with more shaders unlocked and higher stock clock rate? maybe they have more overclocking potential than the Gt's.. ohwell Im happy with my new 8800gts 112sp I just ordered..

I doubt they will release a 1gb model this year (if ever!), it would kill the GTX/Ultra sales.

[FreedomEclipse]

looks like Santa knoes what to get me for Xmas :) 2x8800GTS 512Mb Oh & not to forget a 22/23" widescreen.....

[Tatty_One]

So there is no 1GB model confirmed? Would you suggest I cancel my MSI 8800GT?

IMO.....Nope, firstly because we dont yet know how well these will overclock, yes they have a few stream processors more and of course they will be quicker at stock but if they say only hit 740mhz on an overclock and with a very small BIOS mod the 8800GT will hit 780Mhz then the performance difference will prob be fairly small for upto $100 difference in price (once prices settle down).

Now of course it may be that the GTS overclocks much better than that or you may not fancy the thought of a small BIOS mod, if thats the case then the extra cash may be money well spent but these things are going to be scarcer than rockin horse shit and the prices therefore are likely to be even more hiked than the 8800GT, I am gettting a GT and if performance is that much better in reality on the GTS I will fleabay the GT in about 4-6 months once prices have settled and upgrade.

[Weer]

Here's to hoping Gainward comes through with it's usual Double vRAM model of 1024MB.

[DarkMatter]

I don't see the point of spending extra 60+ dollars on 1GB model. By the time 1GB vram is needed you would want to own R700 or G100, probably waiting for R800, G110 or whichever their name is. Anyway, just as with HD2900XT I don't think this card will benefit from the extra memory even when that happens.

IMO.....Nope, firstly because we dont yet know how well these will overclock, yes they have a few stream processors more and of course they will be quicker at stock but if they say only hit 740mhz on an overclock and with a very small BIOS mod the 8800GT will hit 780Mhz then the performance difference will prob be fairly small for upto $100 difference in price (once prices settle down).

Now of course it may be that the GTS overclocks much better than that or you may not fancy the thought of a small BIOS mod, if thats the case then the extra cash may be money well spent but these things are going to be scarcer than rockin horse shit and the prices therefore are likely to be even more hiked than the 8800GT, I am gettting a GT and if performance is that much better in reality on the GTS I will fleabay the GT in about 4-6 months once prices have settled and upgrade.

Totally agreed. Except for the one on italics. OK it's not that I don't agree, because it's al speculation. But I think that there's a small posibility that GT shortage is due to Nvidia having better yields than what they expected, despite what they have said.
There's the posibility they were expecting 40% of chips cualificate as GTS and other 60% as GT, for example. But they got 60/40 instead. Of course they couldn't take out GTS yet, because if GT is killing GTX and Ultra sales imagine the GTS. They couldn't make them faster neither because of the same problem. And deactivating SPs on too many chips doesn't make sense neither. On the other hand they had to compete with HD3000 series, so their only solution was to release the GT in short supply, hold those chips somehow, acumulating GTS ones and maybe even reservating some for a posible new one with higher clocks, just as with GTX/Ultra. When they finally launch them, they have done all that was posible to sell remainig GTX, Ultra and old GTS. They can't hold G92 forever, anyway.
That's what I think, and as I said it's only speculation (indeed only one between others), so don't kill me yet, OK? :p

[Woah Mama!]

Awesome, this means more people will sell their older 8800 GTSes and even some GTX and Ultras too. And you watch, all the people who flock to buy these cards now (just like what has happened to the GT) will be outdated AGAIN when the real G92 cards come out.
I'm starting to like nVidia, their greed and marketing tactics means there are more and more realistically priced videocards coming through from those people who 'must have the best'.

[trt740]

OMG this is a freaking holy cr@p holy sh1t graphic card!!

If ATi now still fading away, from 11th of December will be totally annihilated!! :laugh:

And that won't be so good...No ATi-nVidia graphic card's fight? No party...I mean prices..

na from what I see Ati has options out the Azz like the 3800x2 dual gpu card, the 3870 1 GB DDR4 card, 3850 512mb DDR3 and DDR4 cards, and possibly a mix of the 2900 xt and 3870 hybrid, a 3870 gpu with 512 bit bus and DDR5 because the 2900xt was really designed to use DDR5 and the shader clock being moved up from 740mghz to 2400 mghz like the 3870. Also ATI promises the end of the mega price video cards. So we will see. Ati is not taking this and doing nothing.

[OnBoard]

.. But I think that there's a small posibility that GT shortage is due to Nvidia having better yields than what they expected, despite what they have said.
There's the posibility they were expecting 40% of chips cualificate as GTS and other 60% as GT, for example. But they got 60/40 instead. Of course they couldn't take out GTS yet, because if GT is killing GTX and Ultra sales imagine the GTS. They couldn't make them faster neither because of the same problem. And deactivating SPs on too many chips doesn't make sense neither. On the other hand they had to compete with HD3000 series, so their only solution was to release the GT in short supply, hold those chips somehow, acumulating GTS ones and maybe even reservating some for a posible new one with higher clocks, just as with GTX/Ultra. When they finally launch them, they have done all that was posible to sell remainig GTX, Ultra and old GTS. They can't hold G92 forever, anyway.
That's what I think, and as I said it's only speculation (indeed only one between others), so don't kill me yet, OK? :p

Here's the "truth" (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4301&Itemid=34) or NVIDIA's way of denying what you said :p

[Tatty_One]

na from what I see Ati has options out the Azz like the 3800x2 dual gpu card, the 3870 1 GB DDR4 card, 3850 512mb DDR3 and DDR4 cards, and possibly a mix of the 2900 xt and 3870 hybrid, a 3870 gpu with 512 bit bus and DDR5 because the 2900xt was really designed to use DDR5 and the shader clock being moved up from 740 to 2400 mghz like the 3870. Also ATI promises the end of the mega price video cards. So we will see. Ati is not taking this and doing nothing.

Yep but the problem is, of those cards you mentioned that are actually out and available, none can match their NVidia rivals for performance and even price once this initial frenzy of under supply settles down. Everybody raved at GDDR4 memory before it came out on cards, I am sure they will rave about GDDR5 as well, thing is, GDDR4 memory has not been a DECIDING factor in card performance, in fact the fastest cards around out the moment are not the GDDR4 ones but the GDDR3 ones....cores and shaders are everything! I am sure the 3870 will turn out to be a very good card and after a couple of good driver releases be around as good as the 8800GT (if the 2900XT driver support is anything to go by) even problem is that by then the GTS will be out and again Ati will be playing catch up, the game they have been playing since this time last year when the G80 was released by NVidia, they made up some ground there with the excellent driver releases for the 2900XT which pitched it at least competatively in the price/performance category, trouble is, as of today,NVidia has at least a couple of cards now faster than anything ATi has to offer, it is in all of our interests that ATi do catchup but they still have some way to go yet IMO.

[DarkMatter]

Here's the "truth" (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4301&Itemid=34) or NVIDIA's way of denying what you said :p

That doesn't deny my "conspiration theory". Indeed it could back it up. I will explain, but remember this is only speculation and for some fun. :p

What a better excuse for what I said than that? They get their card first to market. They have a proof of what they can do against DAAMIT. They claim that they have plenty of chips already made, but because of a shortage in that power component they can't release them already. Doing this they don't sacrifice their public image as they would by saying they didn't make enough chips (that could mean poor yields or bad planification, for example), but at the same time they have an excuse to not release too many GTs. That way they contribute to the "halo" effect, so the only thing that the average joe knows is that Nvidia is faster again. When they go to stores and they can't get the 8800GT their question to the seller is: "And there's any other 8800 similar to this one?". Guess what is the response of the seller in the big brand stores?

I never believed that "excuse" when I read it, antway. They can only qualificate one component from one vendor? All others are not good enough? Well, I don't think so, this card is not power hungry. Are not cheap enough? Well, GT are selling well above their price tag, because of the shortage. A production cost a little bit higher wouldn't hurt as much...
No, I think that either they have production issues on the chip (most likely?), or they are holding them back.

:toast:

[DarkMatter]

Yep but the problem is, of those cards you mentioned that are actually out and available, none can match their NVidia rivals for performance and even price once this initial frenzy of under supply settles down. Everybody raved at GDDR4 memory before it came out on cards, I am sure they will rave about GDDR5 as well, thing is, GDDR4 memory has not been a DECIDING factor in card performance, in fact the fastest cards around out the moment are not the GDDR4 ones but the GDDR3 ones....cores and shaders are everything! I am sure the 3870 will turn out to be a very good card and after a couple of good driver releases be around as good as the 8800GT (if the 2900XT driver support is anything to go by) even problem is that by then the GTS will be out and again Ati will be playing catch up, the game they have been playing since this time last year when the G80 was released by NVidia, they made up some ground there with the excellent driver releases for the 2900XT which pitched it at least competatively in the price/performance category, trouble is, as of today,NVidia has at least a couple of cards now faster than anything ATi has to offer, it is in all of our interests that ATi do catchup but they still have some way to go yet IMO.

Agreed. 100% ;)

na from what I see Ati has options out the Azz like the 3800x2 dual gpu card, the 3870 1 GB DDR4 card, 3850 512mb DDR3 and DDR4 cards, and possibly a mix of the 2900 xt and 3870 hybrid, a 3870 gpu with 512 bit bus and DDR5 because the 2900xt was really designed to use DDR5 and the shader clock being moved up from 740 to 2400 mghz like the 3870. Also ATI promises the end of the mega price video cards. So we will see. Ati is not taking this and doing nothing.

What did you want to say there? It's obviously some kind of typo. You mixed two different sentences in one, like "shader clock being moved from 740 to XXX and memory from 2000 to 2400" or something...

[trt740]

Agreed. 100% ;)



What did you want to say there? It's obviously some kind of typo. You mixed two different sentences in one, like "shader clock being moved from 740 to XXX and memory from 2000 to 2400" or something...

no according to what I read the shader clock for a 2900 is 740mghz and for a 3870 is like 2400 mghz but I could be wrong please correct me if I am.

[newtekie1]

But the real question that needs to be answered, is will the new new 8800GTS still work in SLI with the old 8800GTS?

[DarkMatter]

no according to what I read the shader clock for a 2900 is 740mghz and for a 3870 is like 2400 mghz but I could be wrong please correct me if I am.

The shader clock on the 3870, as in R600, is the same as the core clock. In this case 775Mhz.
It would rock a card with such shading power though. It would be near 1,5 TFlops. :eek:

But the real question that needs to be answered, is will the new new 8800GTS still work in SLI with the old 8800GTS?

Nope, it won't. Different SP, TMU and ROP quantity. It's a different architecture. Better said it's a different arrangement of the same architecture, but still different. It would work if the difference was only in clock speeds.

[trt740]

The shader clock on the 3870, as in R600, is the same as the core clock. In this case 775Mhz.
It would rock a card with such shading power though. It would be near 1,5 TFlops. :eek:



Nope, it won't. Different SP, TMU and ROP quantity. It's a different architecture. Better said it's a different arrangement of the same architecture, but still different. It would work if the difference was only in clock speeds.


Okay here it is the 3870 777 mghz no wonder it's slower than the 8800 series theirs run at 1350 to 1650 depending on the card. Also look how much bigger the texture fillrate is for the 8800 gt wow!!!!!


http://img.techpowerup.org/071127/3870 shader speed.jpg

[effmaster]

Okay here it is the 3870 777 mghz no wonder it's slower than the 8800 series theirs run at 1350 to 1650 depending on the card. Also look how much bigger the texture fillrate is for the 8800 gt wow!!!!!


http://img.techpowerup.org/071127/3870 shader speed.jpg

Wow indeed I may just be buying an 8800 GT in the far future sometime this Spring when I build my Gaming computer

[Tatty_One]

Agreed. 100% ;)



What did you want to say there? It's obviously some kind of typo. You mixed two different sentences in one, like "shader clock being moved from 740 to XXX and memory from 2000 to 2400" or something...

Jesus, I nearly fainted at that.....you been taking pills today? I see you are still on the "War and peace" pills tho.....not good :p

[newconroer]

No no, clock speeds are faster than the 8800Ultra, that doesn't mean that there are less shaders ;).
Saying that you should buy an 8800GTS because of higher clock speeds than an 8800Ultra is like saying you should buy a 3.6GHz P4 because it's faster than the 2.8GHz A64 FX-59 :p.

IMO.....Nope, firstly because we dont yet know how well these will overclock, yes they have a few stream processors more and of course they will be quicker at stock but if they say only hit 740mhz on an overclock and with a very small BIOS mod the 8800GT will hit 780Mhz then the performance difference will prob be fairly small for upto $100 difference in price (once prices settle down).


Well no, it is worth the extra between the GT and GTS, because the GTS has more stock shader power per second than the Ultra. It also comes with the same (or better) texture filling rates than that of the GT (which was better than the Ultra, a result of the G92 architecture, which allows the GT -with it's lower VRAM capacity) to hold fairly well with only 512 RAM).

Now, you can add on the frequencies. Higher core, higher shader clock etc.

If these prices are accurate, it's definatley more valuable than the GT, especially considering the original GTS was over $400 for quite a while.

As things stand now, this card will carry all the advantages of both the GT and Ultra. You simply cannot go wrong there, and no overclocked GT or Ultra will out-do it (save extreme resolutions with an Ultra)

[Huxley2k7]

When do they start showing up for pre-order? Will they come to the UK later?