My HD3850...

[Xolair]

Just got my ''copy'' today. :toast:

Here's a few shots for starters:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r150/Xolairs_bucket/HD_comparison.jpg
^ Heh, a size comparison between my old Radeon X1650 Pro and the new HD3850 (oops, the X1650 is facing the wrong way).

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r150/Xolairs_bucket/HD_layout.jpg
^ I love the design of the card, although it could be a bit shorter to my taste.

The installation was fairly easy, at least it actually seemed easier than installing the X1650 back in the day, no weird ''clasps'' on the way. Anyhoo, managed to get it functional without too much hassle, the exact opposite what I had predicted. Haven't ran any tests on it yet, but it seemed that NFS: Prostreet hadn't gotten any faster at all (!) judging from the short test I managed to run, and the opening-videos of Crysis, along with the main menu lagged like it would've had 2048*1600 res at least... :twitch:

Dunno if it's all because of drivers, or something, but will install 3DMark06 again and try to benchmark it to see if something's ''wrong''.

P.S. Now the linkies should work... if not, then I'll go and eat my own head. What ever way that is possible.

[nguyenpeter76]

btw links dont work.

update: fixed now

[JrRacinFan]

No offense Xolair. But isn't the 4core-VSTA's PCI-e 16x slot limited to 4x bandwith? That may be the cause.

I doubt your seeing a gpu bottleneck from the processor.

[W1zzard]

do you have a reference design card with standard clocks and 256 mb gddr3? if yes, please send me the bios asap :)

[Xolair]

No offense Xolair. But isn't the 4core-VSTA's PCI-e 16x slot limited to 4x bandwith? That may be the cause.

I doubt your seeing a gpu bottleneck from the processor.

Yeah, I have that mobo but I SERIOUSLY doubt the bottleneck would be that huge. I might be wrong, which might be the case. But, from what I saw from Crysis and all, it seemed it was actually slower than before... :laugh:

@ W1zzard: I could send you the bios... if I knew how to get it. :D

[JrRacinFan]

Probably just drivers, you know ATi's drivers get better and better with the newer cards.

EDIT: Speaking of driver's have you tried new mb chipset drivers @ www.viaarena.com

[Xolair]

Alrighty then... :twitch:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4024362

Yeah, something's eating my performance, most likely the CPU and the mobo. :cry:

[nflesher87]

Alrighty then... :twitch:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4024362

Yeah, something's eating my performance, most likely the CPU and the mobo. :cry:

mobo is my guess, though that score doesn't seem to me to be horribly far from what it should be

[Random Murderer]

Alrighty then... :twitch:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4024362

Yeah, something's eating my performance, most likely the CPU and the mobo. :cry:

no, it's the fact that the pci-e slot only operates at x4.
i had this problem with my 775dual-vsta.

[W1zzard]

Yeah, I have that mobo but I SERIOUSLY doubt the bottleneck would be that huge. I might be wrong, which might be the case. But, from what I saw from Crysis and all, it seemed it was actually slower than before... :laugh:

@ W1zzard: I could send you the bios... if I knew how to get it. :D

to extract your hd3850 bios use http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/854/Winflash_2.0.0.2.html

[Xolair]

^ Okay... might try that out. :p

Anyway, here's another benchie I did, dunno if that tells more about my ''problem''.

[ghost101]

I'll see what i get with my processor at 2.4ghz and default clocks. Itll probably be ~9k.

[Xolair]

OMG, just tried Crysis again and the menu/videos lag (5 FPS or so), it's a pain-in-the-ass to navigate. Then, in-game there's artifacts and tearing (the main character's hands or something are tearing and cover the whole screen) etc... what the hell is going on? Would the hotfix correct out this mistake, or what? How do you install it btw, must you uninstall your old drivers or can you install it on top of your current ones? :twitch:

[Xolair]

^ Yeah, thanks.

Seems like a true bottleneck on my behalf, will try to OC my CPU a bit tomorrow and see if it improves. Who knows... :(

[Xolair]

Dammit, it still does the weird artifacting- and stretching thingy. Dunno if the drivers installed properly, or... :twitch:

The performance seemed decent, but what good is it if you can't see nothing except weird stretches and artifacts everywhere.

[KennyT772]

Sounds like a major bus limitation....Try reinstalling drivers, or better yet in another rig.

[Xolair]

Oh god. Tried Garry's Mod (for HL2) and it gave the exact same kind of error as Crysis does. Same kind of weird texture glitches and stretches...

Can it be 'cos of overheating, since my card CERTAINLY isn't overclocked, or is my card going broken/already is? Or a worse option; might it have something to do with my 4x PCI-E speed?!! :eek:

[jpierce55]

Maybe it does not like the CRT?

[techie81]

Oh god. Tried Garry's Mod (for HL2) and it gave the exact same kind of error as Crysis does. Same kind of weird texture glitches and stretches...

Can it be 'cos of overheating, since my card CERTAINLY isn't overclocked, or is my card going broken/already is? Or a worse option; might it have something to do with my 4x PCI-E speed?!! :eek:

The mobo limitation should only affect synthetic benchmarks. As far as 3dmark my x2 6000 and my x1950xtx get 6300 so it sounds like some sort of driver issue.

[KainXS]

I have the same board as you and get almost the same score and my system setup is nearly exactly the same as yours, its not the card, its the board, my 3850 has the same problem but it does not affect games nearly at all, I can play oblivion on ultra @ 720P and Carbon at medium with no probs

crysis on the other hand!!!

but you are being limited by my guess, your losing 15% of its performance just like me, also if your getting terrible performance then your card might be stuck in 2d mode, i noticed this on oblivion

[ness]

mobo is my guess, though that score doesn't seem to me to be horribly far from what it should be

Oh yeah, that is rather horribly far from what it should be. That's a pretty beefy processor, and I only run an overclocked x2 3800+ and I'm pushing 9,000 3dmark with my 3850.

I'm still trying to figure out the best drivers for performance and stability for overclocking - what are your experiences thus far?? has anybody done any comparisons between 7.10 / 7.11 or the Hotfix drivers -- how about third party apps like atitool - so far I've found these tools to be very glitchy. The price one pays to test new technology, and I'm sure ATI works out any kinks with quick driver updates.

[KainXS]

rivatuner works perfectly for my 3850

[Xolair]

Okeydokey, guess I'll try:


1. Reinstalling my drivers
2. Testing ATITool that if it artifacts, even at stock clocks
3. Test Crysis etc. and take some screenshots of the issues, if they still exist


Now when I try to remember, I didn't see much artifacting in NFS: Prostreet to be honest, 3DMark06 did show maybe one error that I managed to spot, but it went through fairly flawlessly. Then, I think I tried to install the hotfix for my drivers, maybe that could be causing the error? :wtf:

[papubhai]

hi guys i need the latest update for atitool as there is no available updates on this website .also help me adjusting fan speed for my his hd 3850 card i can set speeds with rivatuner but i like atitool i wanna use atitool plz help me ASAP;...

also post the max overclocking u people have got
i have got stable at
759/1150 getting 11710 3d marks on my e6750 running msi p6n sli platinum with 2GB corsair xms 2 pro 5400c4

[Xolair]

Here's a shot of NFS: Prostreet, don't see any visible artifacts for some reason:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r150/Xolairs_bucket/Prostreet.jpg

Strange, maybe it could just be because of the drivers or something? I dunno, the performance was a bit sluggish in NFS, but at least didn't artifact at all, or so it seemed. :confused:

[AddSub]

Nice! 3850 is truly a king of sub $200 cards. As for artifacting, I think you are looking too much into it. Unless there is a severe and quite visible amount of artifacting, I would ignore it. Otherwise, RMA it. What else.

[tkpenalty]

Here's a shot of NFS: Prostreet, don't see any visible artifacts for some reason:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r150/Xolairs_bucket/Prostreet.jpg

Strange, maybe it could just be because of the drivers or something? I dunno, the performance was a bit sluggish in NFS, but at least didn't artifact at all, or so it seemed. :confused:

Describe how the artifacts look like. I doubt its related to the GPU itself. I'm assuming things such as shadows disappearing and appearing unaturally, the nitrous burst all of a sudden "streaking" in a straight line and finally the colour of the car flashing once after you paint it classify as artifacts. Well, those that I just described arent. They are just errors in the programming of the game.

Well stuff like random green, pink etc patches appearing in the textures, or warped models (lets say a sharp and long protrusion out of the road which you can go through without it disappearing) count as artifacts. Anything else, well, they arent.

Nice! 3850 is truly a king of sub $200 cards. As for artifacting, I think you are looking too much into it. Unless there is a severe and quite visible amount of artifacting, I would ignore it. Otherwise, RMA it. What else.

No such thing as looking too much into it when your card's life is at stake :p

[Xolair]

Describe how the artifacts look like. I doubt its related to the GPU itself. I'm assuming things such as shadows disappearing and appearing unaturally, the nitrous burst all of a sudden "streaking" in a straight line and finally the colour of the car flashing once after you paint it classify as artifacts. Well, those that I just described arent. They are just errors in the programming of the game.

Well stuff like random green, pink etc patches appearing in the textures, or warped models (lets say a sharp and long protrusion out of the road which you can go through without it disappearing) count as artifacts. Anything else, well, they arent.

I indeed can't see any artifacts like that in NFS: PS at least, Crysis does certainly host them. Just dloaded the demo of ET: Quake Wars to see if that artifacts as well... :twitch:

[Xolair]

Yeah, no artifacts in QW. Strange indeed... maybe it is some kind of driver issue?

[Xaser04]

The texture flickering in Crysis is a well known issue with the ATI cards and is fixed by using the hotfix driver. (I am using the hotfix installed over the 7.11's without an issue).

Also don't worry about the lagging in the crysis menu. I also get this, the game however funs ok. (running it at 1680x1050 mostly medium settings at circa 40fps on my 3850 @ stock)

My 3DMark06 score with my E4300 @ 3ghz and the 3850 @ 750/2098 is about 10.6k.

[Xolair]

^ Yeah, except that the hotfix didn't repair my problem for some reason. :eek:

[Xaser04]

Hmmm that is odd.

The way I installed it is install the 7.11 drivers and then just install the hotfix on top of them.

Worked for me. (may be worth a try unless you have already tried this)

[Xolair]

^ Indeed.

Tried the original Enemy Territory and Bioshock's demo for confirmation. ET worked fine, or so it seemed again, but Bioshock's demo artifacted weirdly already in the menu (flickering screen)... dunno if this is a hardware issue, has anyone got somekind of a hunch here??? :(

[JrRacinFan]

Xolair, I am still thinking it's partially the motherboard, and the other part is drivers.

[Flapper]

I found this in the Anandtech thread for the ASROCK 775Dual-VSTA:

ATI 3870 work with 775dual-vsta but some peoples must set in bios PCIE DOWNSTREAM PIPELINE --> DISABLE (texture corruption problem)

Twingo: It is working with 775dual-vsta. My sapphire 3870 arrived this afternoon, it took me three hours to put it in, had to take out the AIW x800xt, cut all the watercooling tubing to switch the position so 3870 can fit in. It's working fine with my 400W power supply, I have a FSP Zen 400, which has no fan so it's dead quiet. Ati did a wonderful job for they don't have any compatibility problem like 8800GT has with 775dual-vsta. Well done, ATI!


see:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1031710047


This may also be relevant to the 3850

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=29&threadid=1896616&FTVAR_STKEYWORDFRM=&STARTPAGE=81&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

[Xolair]

^ Tried that pipeline thingy, actually found it from the BIOS. No help tho, actually became worse and these weird artifacts came, looked liek the card was dying. Hrh! :eek:

[Xolair]

Well, I've decided to RMA this thing... hopefully it'd work out by then. Back to my good 'ol X1650 for now. :)

[trog100]

Well, I've decided to RMA this thing... hopefully it'd work out by then. Back to my good 'ol X1650 for now. :)

yes i think it was faulty memory on the card.. it happens..

trog

[Xolair]

Damn, it seems that even the Sapphire card shares a similar problem. Haven't tried many games yet, but tried 3DMark06 and here's the result:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r150/Xolairs_bucket/3dmark.jpg

I also get this kind of artifacts in 2D usage, in some sites:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r150/Xolairs_bucket/artifacts.jpg

It's weird, I tried visiting those sites which give the probs and they don't seem to give any artifacts, when drivers ARE NOT installed, but instantly when I install Catalyst 7.11 those dots appear everywhere. Could all this be just driver-related, after all..? :wtf:

[Xolair]

I just tried the demo of Prey (which is an OpenGL game), and it worked just fine except for some strange stuttering here and there. No artifacts, no corrupted textures, or stretched vertices from what I managed to see. It indeed could be true, that these Catalyst 7.11's have an issue of some sort with Direct3D... that seems like an reasonable option now. Should get a hold of other OpenGL games too, just to be sure. :)

[KainXS]

Xolair I have the same problems as you with a 3850, it seems that the cards are not fully compatible with AsRocks 4CoreDuals PciE slot and no-one knows if AsRock will even attempt to fix the problem

I sent a email to their customer support and they said they couldn't do anything simply because they didnt have one in their lab:banghead: Do they even have a lab:wtf:

As for 3d mark I can only get around 7800-9000 depending on the overclock on the card

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I get the same artifacts on web sites so now we know its this god damn board and not the cards

to get rid of many of the artifact problems you have to disable the PCIE DOWNSTREAM PIPE in the bios of this riggidy board but theres still the problems in some sites, if that dosen't work then theres something else bothering something in the bios, the card is very likely to be perfectly ok

also try using internet explorer, for me, i only get the artifacts in firefox

after trying this card in my asus p5n in my gaming pc, their are no problems, its the board

this is what happens when riggidy drivers meet with a riggidy motherboard

[Xolair]

^ Well, it could be the combination of this mobo + the ''unfinished'' drivers. Seems a bit weird the issues occur ONLY in D3D games, so I won't throw my spoon into the soup just yet. I mean...

[JrRacinFan]

^ Well, it could be the combination of this mobo + the ''unfinished'' drivers. Seems a bit weird the issues occur ONLY in D3D games, so I won't throw my spoon into the soup just yet. I mean...

Which is exactly what I said 2 weeks ago.

EDIT: Wait for the new cats and see if it isn't just driver issues.

[Xolair]

PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

I just got a hold on the new 2.20 bios from ASRock, tried it on my mobo and tested some games afterwards. Crysis works fine without artifacts/stretches, WoW works fine too... yes! Guess it indeed was a mobo issue after all, therefore I humbly... go play games now. :toast: :respect:

P.S. This probably means there's no errors in the drivers themselves, but the 2D artifacts and weird colours are still there.

[KainXS]

PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

I just got a hold on the new 2.20 bios from ASRock, tried it on my mobo and tested some games afterwards. Crysis works fine without artifacts/stretches, WoW works fine too... yes! Guess it indeed was a mobo issue after all, therefore I humbly... go play games now. :toast: :respect:

P.S. This probably means there's no errors in the drivers themselves, but the 2D artifacts and weird colours are still there.

that goes for me too as well

just use opera to remedy that, firefox has problems with our motherboard

[bluezz]

I am having the same problem :banghead:

Got ATI 3850 for chirstmas :cry:
I too have ASROCK mobo. Asrock 775 DUAL VSTA to be precise.

I tried updating the bios to the latest 3.0
link: http://www.asrock.com/mb/download.asp?Model=775Dual-VSTA&s=
since it said "Patch ATI 2400XT PCIE VGA card."
But that did not help a bit. I am using ATI 7.12 with control center.

My issues are in mostly all games including bioshock, world of warcraft and gears of war.
Here is a screenshot of my WOW.
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3750/99477886dj8.jpg

As you can see.. it is pretty much un-playable !! :cry:
Can someone please suggest some solution??

[KainXS]

I am having the same problem :banghead:

Got ATI 3850 for chirstmas :cry:
I too have ASROCK mobo. Asrock 775 DUAL VSTA to be precise.

I tried updating the bios to the latest 3.0
link: http://www.asrock.com/mb/download.asp?Model=775Dual-VSTA&s=
since it said "Patch ATI 2400XT PCIE VGA card."
But that did not help a bit. I am using ATI 7.12 with control center.

My issues are in mostly all games including bioshock, world of warcraft and gears of war.
Here is a screenshot of my WOW.
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3750/99477886dj8.jpg

As you can see.. it is pretty much un-playable !! :cry:
Can someone please suggest some solution??

disable pcie downstream pipeleine

[Xolair]

I bet the 775Dual doesn't support that card yet, the errors are similar to mine and I'd say it's the same flaw as I had. Wait 'til a new BIOS arrives, or just email ASRock directly about your problem. They'll work it out...

... hopefully. :cry:

EDIT: That pipeline thingy didn't help me before.

[Xolair]

God dammit, it seems that I haven't got any luck with these things. I've tried Crysis' multiplayer and it worked fine for a moment, then almost gradually I've started to see some weird texture errors everywhere, including a few triangles but certainly not as many as before the mobo BIOS update. So, tried the SP of the game and recently I've began to spot similar errors in it too. Then, dloaded the demo of The Witcher, and it also shows weird texture errors, here's some shots:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r150/Xolairs_bucket/Crysis_1.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r150/Xolairs_bucket/crysis_4.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r150/Xolairs_bucket/witcher.jpg

I hate to admit it, but I think it's an overheating/hardware related issue this time around. My temps seem fine though, I don't know what could cause overheating. Perhaps my card has had some bad memory chip(s) all along..? :banghead:

P.S. Got an email from my previous card RMA, they've send it back but dunno' if it's a new card or not. Hopefully there was something wrong with it.

[Blacklash]

Here's the BIOS for my HD 3850 256Mb cards if anyone wants it. It doesn't do much, just makes the default core 690.

http://members.cox.net/malficar2/MSIhd3850

It's a shame because these cards will do 760 all day and all night via Rivatuner. With Overdrive I am limited to 730 and that's still enough to make 16.7 in 3dmark06 under Vista x64. I can get a few 100 more if I OC one card to 760 and I didn't bother.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4422084

I hope ATi Tool works with them soon.

BTW these cards have worked great in a BX2 motherboard with the 7.11 and now 7.12 drivers under Vista x64. I've run; The Crysis demo, TheWitcher, Oblivion, Tomb Raider: Legend, and DiRT so far. I could run them all @ 1680x with solid FPS save DiRT. It is just too much to ask of a 256Mb card. I was hovering in the mid 20s at that res. They did 1440x fine though.

Crossfire is borked on the DX10 path right now in Crysis, and it's not like my cards could do all very high anyway. I run the DX 9 path with texture, object, water, shader on high and the rest medium.

[trog100]

if u flash a bios that has a higher default core clock i think it extend the overdrive range.. the 3870 bios does so i assume the 3850 one will..

an 830/1200 3870 bios bumps the overdrive range up to 1500 from its normal 885 for example..

i have an HIS 3850 turbo 512 meg card on order that comes stock clocked at 735/1000 its the fastest stock card there is.. it gives some idea of what the cards will run at.. i assume overdrive will let this one clock higher..

trog

ps.. u could try this one.. i cant verify it cos at the moment i dont have the 3850 card.. at your own risk..

[kieronw3]

my first post:toast:

XOLIA
if this helps

presuming you are using a asrock 4core sata2

You will need to go into the bios and set:

PCI-E DOWNSTREAM PIPELINE = DISABLED

this will stop 3d artifacts

also bios 1.8 is available that covers hd3850 issues but i have not tried it yet

[Xolair]

Something quite... interesting happened when I tried to UNDERCLOCK my card in Saturday with ATITool. At first it seemed to handle the underclock fine, but then about 5-10 secs later the screen started to artifact weirdly and VPU Recover kicked in after a few weird on/off flashes on the screen (it went black, then came back on etc.), saying something about my GPU/monitor not responding. After a few reboots, the screen still kept on going totally white, mostly when going into Mozilla Firefox. So, therefore it was totally unusable and didn't stress it in the whole weekend.

Luckily, I managed to get myself the Club3D card I had RMA'd before, which was tested to be totally fine after like 10+ hours of intense 3D usage, and I installed it in. Did the same blinking, but then I managed to uninstall the display drivers. Now I'm using Internet Explorer, hasn't gone ''white'' just yet. Thankfully the other card is from a different shop, so I could try to get it RMA'd too and get my money back from it, perhaps spend some of that money into some new fans/mobo, to get better cooling for this system. :laugh:

Would be a bit weird if the drivers got messed up somehow...

[bluezz]

I bet the 775Dual doesn't support that card yet, the errors are similar to mine and I'd say it's the same flaw as I had. Wait 'til a new BIOS arrives, or just email ASRock directly about your problem. They'll work it out...

... hopefully. :cry:

EDIT: That pipeline thingy didn't help me before.

This is so annoying ! :banghead:

Got a reply back from Asrock:


Dear ASRock America Customer,

The ATI Radeon HD 3850 PCIE VGA card is GEN2 mode VGA card. Unfortunately VIA ® ® ® chipset does not support GEN2 mode VGA card. The only solution is to set 3850 PCIE VGA card to GEN1 mode.

Please contact VGA card vender to get the VGA BIOS with GEN1 mode for your HD 3850 PCIE VGA card."

[KainXS]

we gotta get rid of our shitty asrock boards, I hate this thing, its just terrible

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

assrock ... they almost as bad as assus

[tigger]

No worse than Abit.

Look how many WR's are done using asus boards,and some of the highest oc's and 3dmark scores on xs are using asus.

[asb2106]

_FBi;601325']assrock ... they almost as bad as assus

Im suprised that someone who uses such a crap board can put down the best motherboard company on the market, I have been using ASUS boards for many years, all the way up to the new ASUS Maximus Line, I have a formula and an extreme and they 2 of the best boards I have ever owned. Try buying good boards instead of cheap sub 100 dollar boards and you will notice that your computer actually runs good

[asb2106]

No worse than Abit.

Look how many WR's are done using asus boards,and some of the highest oc's and 3dmark scores on xs are using asus.

Exactly true, the best results come from ASUS

[trog100]

i get good results from abit.. i love em.. seems we all have our likes and dislikes.. :)

trog

[asb2106]

Last year I had a Abit Quad GT p965 board, and that was one of my best O/Cers I have ever had!! I had a e6600 running stable at 4ghz on that board, and I had the same parts on a ASUS P5B Deluxe and the max I could hit was 3.51 stable, it would run at 3.8 but SETI would make the computer bluescreen at random times. The Abit had much better control over the VDroop

Abit does make quality product, and I think what is most important is the chipset and southbridge, not necessarily the board manufacturer. You could buy a 85 dollar board from anybody and it will most likely suck, buy quality products and you wont have issues

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

what my problem with assus is thier customer service/repairs/rma and a bit of overprice

[asb2106]

Agreed, when i flashed my P5B my bios failed on me, so i contacted the RMA and they worked with me a we did a XShip, they overnighted me a board and I thought all went well. Then i checked my credit card and they never credited me back for the money when they recieved my board!! I had to fight with then for a week on the issue because they lost the mobo, and couldnt find it. But they ended up magically finding it and they refunded my money. So it was a hassle but it did get taken care of

[KainXS]

hey Xolair, I was able to fix all my 2d problems by installing the new omega drivers and going into properties on the control panel and then the tab for troubleshooting, and turning hardware acceleration down by 1 tab and poof no more 2d problems

the omega drivers also doubled my performance in gears of war

if you have any 38XX card then install the omega drivers, the are MUCH better than the ati's normal drivers

I still get some 2d problems in games though, but I'm gonna get a new board in 2 weeks anyway

[Xolair]

^ Hmm, I'll look into that sometime. :D

[MadCow809]

hi, im having the same problem as well.

im running a GeCube HD3850 512mb and i cant see any of the intro screens because of the flickering, it flickers more beforei can get into the game. Once in the menu, there are green stripes running down the screen, looks completely messed up.

anybody know what the problem might be?

btw my pc spec is

E4300
P965-S
HD3850 512mb
600w PSU

[Xolair]

^ This only occured with the newer Catalyst drivers for me, are you using C8.2's for example? I've stayed with C7.12's for the time being... :(

[KainXS]

hi, im having the same problem as well.

im running a GeCube HD3850 512mb and i cant see any of the intro screens because of the flickering, it flickers more beforei can get into the game. Once in the menu, there are green stripes running down the screen, looks completely messed up.

anybody know what the problem might be?

btw my pc spec is

E4300
P965-S
HD3850 512mb
600w PSU

I don't get any problems like that, that might be the car, the problems I was getting were 2d

you have a P965 motherboard so you have a different problem than me and Xolair, but that really sounds like the card, and the drivers if your really lucky

[tigger]

Pity the omega drivers dont support vista yet.