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Polaris573
12-13-2007, 08:04 PM
At a conference with analysts held today, AMD acknowledged problems of bringing its quad-core processors to market and said that it the introduction of the chip has been a disappointment so far. The company described 2007 as a year “not to get excited about”, but believes to be able to return to profitability in 2008. Not surprisingly, the company’s chief operating officer Dirk Meyer was upfront with analysts about the questions surrounding the slow rollout of the Barcelona quad-core processors. While he confirmed that the company will be shipping “hundreds of thousands of processors” this quarter, the “quad-core product” has not been delivered according to plan: “We’ll make good on our promise to deliver hundreds of thousands of quad core processors, but we’re disappointed,” Meyer said. Meyer as well as executive vice president Mario Rivas told analysts that AMD is on its way to “fix quad-core”. Volume shipments, typically referred to as “millions of chips”, are now scheduled to begin in the first quarter of this year. In contrast to the earlier promise that Barcelona would be announced when the product is actually available in volume, Rivas confirmed that this actually did not happen and that the company “let down” its customers: “That must not continue,” he said.
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Chief financial officer Bob Rivet echoed preceding speakers and tried to create a “the glass is half full” rather than a “the glass is half empty” scenario. He acknowledged that the company “had a terrible first quarter”, but has been making progress since then. And while he said that “the world would look a lot different if [Barcelona] had launched in the first half of this year”, he noted that the company maintains its Q4 financial guidance. Rivet believes that 2008 will bring further financial improvements to the point where the company will post an annual profit. “In 2007 we have been living on some old stuff. 2008 will be all new,” he said.

Interestingly, AMD said that its manufacturing capabilities are working well. In fact, Doug Grose, senior vice president of Manufacturing & Supply Chain Management at AMD, noted that “design is the issue with Barcelona, not manufacturing”: Quad-core yields are actually higher than originally expected. In a very rare event, AMD also offered some detail on its output capabilities. For 2007, AMD’s CPU manufacturing (own plus partner fabs) is estimated at just under 100 million dies. In 2008, AMD believes this number to be going up to about 110 million, in 2009 to 120 million and in 2010 to about 140 million.

Grose mentioned that 45 nm development is “on track”: Fab36 in Dresden, Germany is scheduled to be shipping 45 nm processors in the second half of 2008. For the next generation, the company claimed to have 32 nm SRAMs working right now.

The roadmap of future processors apparently has not been impacted by the Barcelona hiccup: The Shanghai quad-core is still scheduled for a mid-2008 release, while Montreal (quad- and 8-core) is expected in 2009.

On the ATI side, AMD recently revealed in a recent SEC filing that it has over-estimated the value of the graphics and chipset company and will be forced to take a substantial write-down in the current quarter. In the filing, AMD wrote that the write-down "will be material, but the Company has determined that, as of the time of this filing, it is unable in good faith to make a determination of an estimate of the amount or range of amounts of the impairment charge."

But not all of ATI is bad for AMD, of course. On another step towards the Fusion processor, the company said it will introduce “hybrid graphics” in the first quarter of next year. Targeted at the entry-level and mainstream market, this concept will give customers multi-GPU graphics capability consisting of integrated graphics and discrete graphics: Rather than throwing out the capability of the integrated chipset when installing a stand-alone graphics card, AMD will be able to combine the feature sets with the introduction of the RS780 chipset.

The benefits of “hybrid graphics” will range from performance improvements, up to 50% with low-end graphics cards, according to senior vice president Rick Bergman, as well as power consumption enhancements (by allowing customers to use only the lower-power chipset). Minimum requirements to take advantage of hybrid graphics will be 3450/3470 graphics cards in the 3000-series as well as 2400 graphics cards in the 2000 series.

Source: TG Daily (http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35262/118/)

mandelore
12-13-2007, 08:10 PM
they need to fix the CHIP, not the volume being shipped!.... :shadedshu

niko084
12-13-2007, 08:19 PM
they need to fix the CHIP, not the volume being shipped!.... :shadedshu

Well some less knowing are still praising the Phenom and all its failing glory...
So they buy them up, don't know any better, and AMD thinks oooo sales are up...

Well thats what fanboys get....

Seany1212
12-13-2007, 08:20 PM
its good that they are trying to integrate graphics into the processors but means that if your CPU goes so does the GPU and quality could be less also, but at least its better than nVidias approach to crambing as many graphics cards as you can in one case and call it SLI :rolleyes:

niko084
12-13-2007, 08:41 PM
its good that they are trying to integrate graphics into the processors but means that if your CPU goes so does the GPU and quality could be less also, but at least its better than nVidias approach to crambing as many graphics cards as you can in one case and call it SLI :rolleyes:

Funny you say this AFTER ATI does Quad X-Fire...

WarEagleAU
12-13-2007, 10:33 PM
Because Intel and Nvidia SUCK!!! ::jk:: on a serious note, I applaud them for being so honest. Aside for that erratum, there is nothing wrong with the phenom chips. They promised they would be comparable to Intels Quads, and they are. They arent neck and neck and they arent kicking their balls all about, but they are up there in terms of performance. I feel the next revision will definitely fix alot of gripes. Everyones waiting for Intel to be beaten by AMD and then they can flip the script and start harping on Intel :shadeshu

PVTCaboose1337
12-13-2007, 11:29 PM
Because Intel and Nvidia SUCK!!! ::jk:: on a serious note, I applaud them for being so honest. Aside for that erratum, there is nothing wrong with the phenom chips. They promised they would be comparable to Intels Quads, and they are. They arent neck and neck and they arent kicking their balls all about, but they are up there in terms of performance. I feel the next revision will definitely fix alot of gripes. Everyones waiting for Intel to be beaten by AMD and then they can flip the script and start harping on Intel :shadeshu

This happened last time around and I don't get why we don't remind people that it did.

panchoman
12-13-2007, 11:31 PM
Because Intel and Nvidia SUCK!!! ::jk:: on a serious note, I applaud them for being so honest. Aside for that erratum, there is nothing wrong with the phenom chips. They promised they would be comparable to Intels Quads, and they are. They arent neck and neck and they arent kicking their balls all about, but they are up there in terms of performance. I feel the next revision will definitely fix alot of gripes. Everyones waiting for Intel to be beaten by AMD and then they can flip the script and start harping on Intel :shadeshu

+1

i applaud amd as well, instead of trying to cover up their major screwup, they were honest about it.

now the world would be so much different if microsoft became an honest company

erocker
12-13-2007, 11:33 PM
Somehow, for the first time, I find myself on the AMD bashing bandwagon. Where the hell are the stockholders meetings? I really want to see quite a few people fired in that company. Stop freaking "touting" crap that we aren't going to see in a few years! Constantly talking about the future and how amazing things will be, but when the future becomes the present, they have nothing but a broken processor to show for it. I want AMD to be successful, I want heads to roll, and I don't want any more bull**** out of these asses mouths that should be fired. IBM, help them please.

AsRock
12-13-2007, 11:43 PM
To be honest i'm not looking forword in buying a CPU and a GPU at the same time. Cannot afford one or the other most of the time never mind replacing both each time. And no i don't think i be cheaper to us.

lemonadesoda
12-13-2007, 11:49 PM
All AMD directors involved in the ATi takeover need to:

1./ Do the honorable thing; sue their investment bankers for a) poor advice, b) incorrect valuation, c) recovery of fees and commissions paid, THEN

2./ Do the honorable thing; fall on their swords and hand over to a better management team

Basard
12-14-2007, 06:30 AM
If they can integrate a fast GPU to the core, they would need some pretty fast RAM, video ram is 100GB/s, regular ram is what 10-15GB/s? We just need faster RAM to become cheaper, then we need the FSB at 256 or 512 bit... HAH... Thats a long ways a way, unless they are thinking up something drastic. Maybe thats why they call it "Shanghai" because it's gonna shanghai intel? I dunno.... I think the GPU could be merged onto the same core as a CPU, right? Just off the the side, like the FPU, right? So, maybe one on each core of the cpu--something like quad hd 2400 wouldn't be too far out of reach. And IF the 4 GPUs would run at full clock speed, thats fast, kinda. Memory bandwidth is the only limiting factor with fusion, IMO. But the way it sounds, its gonna just be regular onboard basically, I'm not too excited about it.