AMD Vs Intel Discuss! [Just 4 FUN]

[PyroX1040]

The rules are post an image below custom made or internet searched and replay with either AMD or Intel which ever you think is better NOT WHY just which and with an image or just AMD/Intel

LET THE BATTLE BEGIN!!!!

http://www.aurorawdc.com/ci/amd_vs_intel_2.jpg

[Hawk1]

LOL, let the flames begin. I foresee a closed thread if anyone takes you up on it.:p

[PyroX1040]

To start it off I'll post
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f183/mdevildog/intel.jpg
AMD / Signature :)!!!

[btarunr]

Nah. This thread won't go beyond the 150 post mark. Nobody'll waste time posting into gen. nonsense.

BTW Intel is the better CPU maker.:)

[Hawk1]

It would be fun, if people didn't take it seriously (ie - like the Nvidia vs. ATI debates etc). It starts off fun, till you get some clown on a high horse who try's to explain things from his point of view in 12 paragraphs, which garners a reply, and then the smack talking begins. It always starts fun, but usually doesnt end up that way.

[PyroX1040]

we can always try hawk now can't we

[hat]

dont have pictures but it's pretty clear Intel raped AMD so hard they're struggling to stay alive

[PyroX1040]

hat you need to buy my sound card >.> it's just sitting collecting dust!!!!

[btarunr]

Uh I'm fresh from another thread, some idiot bigmacks443 started to hurt mu bumb. If that guys shows up here, you're guaranteed this thread goes above the 500 postmark, and 100s of infractions flying all over.

[hat]

Why should I buy your sound card? I already have one.

[Hawk1]

we can always try hawk now can't we

Of course. Sorry to crap on the thread. I'll try and find some amusing pics and post.:toast:

[philbrown23]

amd

[PyroX1040]

because hat, your hat... now off tooo find/make amusing pictures >.<!

[B1gg3stN00b]

AMD.

Why?

Because if Intel has noone to compete with, they gain a monopoly on the processor market and no longer need to deliver quality goods, because they ARE THE ONLY ONES AVAILABLE.

Not to mention the two compete to build the highest quality, most efficient technology out there.

Had Intel had no threats early on, we might be stuck running 500mhz comps atm.

[BloodTotal]

Uh I'm fresh from another thread, some idiot bigmacks443 started to hurt mu bumb. If that guys shows up here, you're guaranteed this thread goes above the 500 postmark, and 100s of infractions flying all over.

I was thinking it would go into the thousands

[hat]

because hat, your hat... now off tooo find/make amusing pictures >.<!

nah...

[tkpenalty]

AMD.

Why?

Because if Intel has noone to compete with, they gain a monopoly on the processor market and no longer need to deliver quality goods, because they ARE THE ONLY ONES AVAILABLE.

Not to mention the two compete to build the highest quality, most efficient technology out there.

Had Intel had no threats early on, we might be stuck running 500mhz comps atm.

X2

[snuif09]

i remember the p4 time what was the best proccesor in that time again???/



i know it it was the athlon FX:rockout:

[HookeyStreet]

This is silly, because anyone with half a brain knows that Intel's current CPU's are far superior to AMD's current CPU's (and I have a feeling this will be true for some time to come....)

PS: I used to be an AMD fanboy, back when they were the best CPU for gaming ;)

[PyroX1040]

Hookey it's about prefrence and past use, personally I dispise all intel CPU's

[Morgoth]

http://www.madboxpc.com/news/intel/idf/nehalem.jpg
Do i need to say more?

[btarunr]

Hookey it's about prefrence and past use, personally I dispise all intel CPU's

A statement like that concludes the debate. There's nothing notably left to debate on:D

[DanTheBanjoman]

i remember the p4 time what was the best proccesor in that time again???/



i know it it was the athlon FX:rockout:

Define "best". I believe Transmeta is the best for low poweruse. Or Prescott for stresstesting coolers. Intel is best because they fit nice on RAID controllers. Then again I believe IBM is best because whatever.

As long as "best" isn't defined whatever is said has no value. What scale are you using? Funny thing is, once we know that it isn't a discussion anymore but a fact, since things can then be measured.


Long story short; 30min left till weekend.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Oh and speaking of best, for some reason I'm thinking of Mr. Creosote now.

[JrRacinFan]

Ibm Ftw! :p

[btarunr]

yeah right...IBM and their pony-express PowerPC :p

[philbrown23]

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[DanTheBanjoman]

yeah right...IBM and their pony-express PowerPC :p

Superior in design to X86. So who should we actually be making fun of. PowerPC is to X86 what Unix is to Windows.

[btarunr]

Superior in design to X86. So who should we actually be making fun of. PowerPC is to X86 what Unix is to Windows.

It all boils down to popularity and not design determining superiority. It again is the same story of Windows vs. Linux where the Linux kernel is superior to the Windows kernel by design: (Monolithic multi-client kernel vs. Client inside Server kernel)

Apple eventually chose x86 over PPC, though PPC was doing just fine for them. Imagine a Power Mac with CELL. But well, we're getting to see Xeon.

[DanTheBanjoman]

It all boils down to popularity and not design determining superiority. It again is the same story of Windows vs. Linux where the Linux kernel is superior to the Windows kernel by design: (Monolithic multi-client kernel vs. Client inside Server kernel)

Apple eventually chose x86 over PPC, though PPC was doing just fine for them. Imagine a Power Mac with CELL. But well, we're getting to see Xeon.

That's exactly my point, A is superior, B is more popular.

We're not getting to see Xeon though, we can already buy Xeon macs for over a year now. Soon Seaburg macs. Then again *insert mac bash*.

[btarunr]

There are three terms here: Superiority, Design, Popularity. We have to link two terms. I'll link Popularity to Superiority than Design to Superiority. There was absolutely nothing going wrong with PPC for Apple (keeping aside Company politics). Apple chose x86 to show people "Hey we have Intel Inside too!...yippie!". So what determines superiority? Intel ofcourse because the brand itself was larger than the product. Poor PPC was shown the door despite Apple could have been knowing that IBM was participating in the CELL project, where the thread-arbiter is a PPC processor from IBM (made by Freescale).

[DanTheBanjoman]

Actually one of the main reasons Apple chose Intel was that Intel could deliver large numbers of processors. Second because PowerPC's were running too hot. The latter was a stupid argument though since IBM's next gen runs a lot cooler.

[btarunr]

Ever heard of Big Foot Networks' Killer NIC? It uses a 400 MHz PPC made by Freescale. maybe based on the newer fab process because the NIC has virtually no cooling at all to the PPC.

Your view: Would the CELL have made a good Desktop/WS/Server processor?

[DanTheBanjoman]

Ever heard of Big Foot Networks' Killer NIC? It uses a 400 MHz PPC made by Freescale. maybe based on the newer fab process because the NIC has virtually no cooling at all to the PPC.

Your view: Would the CELL have made a good Desktop/WS/Server processor?

No clue how Cell performs. IT has shown to do certain tasks really well. No clue how it would translate to desktop/server use (assuming software is optimized of course).

The Killer NIC's CPU has nothing to do with the PowerPC as far as I know. It's like comparing a Via C3 to a C2D.

There are plenty of low power solutions available for embedded applications, mostly nothing to do with their big brothers (if they exist at all).

[btarunr]

Killer's CPU (aka. NPU) is but a Freescale developed PPC. The review that's posted on TPU says the same. There are countless applications of such embedded platforms, what works to PPC's credit. The traffic signals here use PPC :) I just read a whitepaper on the PPC architecture and yes...it didn't get what it deserved.

[JrRacinFan]

Oopsie, I didn't mean to start the "war" I was just saying IBM cause they are very neutral to everything. Meaning, I am neutral.

[btarunr]

lol no war, we were discussing stuff, old farts style. I actually got to learn more.

[btarunr]

IBM is neutral and is a misfit for the IT industry of today because of its archaic company policies. AMD was born out of these policies, just because they weren't supposed to buy CPU's from just one company (Intel). They haven't revised their black suit, black tie outlook even today, and after they sold off their PC division to its OEM partner Lenovo, they're rather dull. Nobody buys an IBM server at least here, not for the price, they choose Sun (which is more expensive), Their IT consultation and software division did well but then again they splurged on a lot of projects like HGP, CELL, sponsorships. All in all IBM is more than capable to lead the IT industry and take the top spot in the IT industry even above Microsoft and Intel but their policies cost them all that.

So you can't "IBM FTW!!" for grounds it just being neutral.

The best CPU from IBM so far: IBM Broadway BW17 (powers the Nintendo Wii, ) ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Broadwaycpu.JPG

Broadway FTW! :rockout:

[3991vhtes]

No AMD or Intel. VIA ftw!!!

[snuif09]

Define "best".
for gaming

[btarunr]

for gaming

Is Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 at the moment, at a humane price. Anything above that is enthusiast range.

[DanTheBanjoman]

for gaming

CPU's do not change gameplay.

[btarunr]

They don't alter gameplay but some games are optimised for some CPU's. For example games like Alan Wake are said to be optimised for quad-core processors as they have four processing threads in all with one CPU core to be dedicated for physics processing of the Havoc Physics Engine. There might be performance penalties running such games on dual/single-core processors.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Ah, so he is talking about some sort of performance? FPS perhaps?

[btarunr]

Yes, just performance, not gameplay. But there would be significant differences between performance when running games like Alan Wake on dual-thread and quad-thread setups. I'm using the term "thread" and not "core" now because a 2x dual-core Xeon/Opteron on a dual-socket board compliments the game in this same way. Not for the reason of 4 processors > 2 processors but the thread-crunching ability.

a 4 thread setup underclocked to 1 GHz would run the game better than a dual core/thread setup overclocked to even 5 GHz.

[snuif09]

Is Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 at the moment, at a humane price. Anything above that is enthusiast range.

in P4 time:slap:

and cpu's do change gameplay when you run at 2 FPS the gameplay sucks
and then you can say its about the gpu but a 8800ultra with a pentium 1 isnt really good for your framerate

[btarunr]

Is Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 at the moment, at a humane price. Anything above that is enthusiast range.

I wasn't responding to the P4 time thing. :slap:

[btarunr]

And cpu's do change gameplay when you run at 2 FPS the gameplay sucks and then you can say its about the gpu but a 8800ultra with a pentium 1 isnt really good for your framerate

How do you define the term "gameplay"? It is the totality of the elements the gamer interacts with that the game presents to him. You're confusing gameplay with performance.

Running Doom3 at the lowest possible settings gives the same gameplay as that at high. Even when crawling at <10 fps, pressing ctrl fires, pressing c crouches and space jumps.

Change in performance impacts visuals not gameplay.

[JrRacinFan]

but a 8800ultra with a pentium 1 isnt really good for your framerate

Since when did a pentium 1 have a PCI-e x16 slot? :p

[DanTheBanjoman]

Since when did a pentium 1 have a PCI-e x16 slot? :p

You can put a PCI 8500 in :)

[btarunr]

^Yeah but is there a Windows 9x driver for 8500 anyway? Doom 3 is not supported on Windows 9x, Windows 2000/XP doesn't work on Pentium 1 anyway :)

ok that was nice sub-topic joke.

[DanTheBanjoman]

^Yeah but is there a Windows 9x driver for 8500 anyway? Doom 3 is not supported on Windows 9x, Windows 2000/XP doesn't work on Pentium 1 anyway :)

ok that was nice sub-topic joke.

XP works on a 486.

[btarunr]

I give up Dan. Your banjo has the stiffest strings.

[snuif09]

How do you define the term "gameplay"? It is the totality of the elements the gamer interacts with that the game presents to him. You're confusing gameplay with performance.

Running Doom3 at the lowest possible settings gives the same gameplay as that at high. Even when crawling at <10 fps, pressing ctrl fires, pressing c crouches and space jumps.

Change in performance impacts visuals not gameplay.
gameplay is what i think how the games plays so it must run fluently the controlls must be good
and when you have low fps the contolls seem to react later so then gaming isnt fun anymore
when you play ut3 and you have 2 fps and the other has 50 i swear the other wins

[btarunr]

lol no. That's not what gameplay means. That's called "responsiveness", again relative to performance.

[erocker]

I like AMD chips because they weigh more! With intel chips it feels like I'm holing something cheap, with amd, it's heavy, and all the gold pins look nice!:D

[MadCow]

I like AMD chips because they weigh more! With intel chips it feels like I'm holing something cheap, with amd, it's heavy, and all the gold pins look nice!:D

When you remove the IHS you realize just how tiny this thing is. The IHS is freaking massive and it at least 90% of the chip's total weight. :laugh:

But K7 WTF, a cracked core makes such a horrible sound.

[btarunr]

Cracked core? What's that??

[MadCow]

Cracked core? What's that??

When you screw up putting the heatsink on and you hear a horrible crack. The K7's had an exposed core so the heatsink went directly on it, and alot of people cracked their cores, in fact both of my K7's have chipped cores, and both still work fine, those CPUs were durable. ;)

But on topic:
http://www.1pixelhost.com/files/bb9emw4iuodgrj6ph6ce.jpeg

[ShadowFold]

imo, AMD is win. There chips have never let me down. I bought a celeron internet build for my mom since it was cheap and it burned out after two years on stock cooling... I also like OCing AMD's I havent really tried a Intel yet. Also I love ATi so thats also why I like AMD :)

[hat]

AMD is still good for the products they offer for the price. Take a look at this $60 cpu:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103046&Tpk=1.9ghz%2bbrisbane

One of the reviews right on that page tell how well the chip performed, even in Crysis.

[btarunr]

For a few dollars more don't you get a E2140 ?

[Darknova]

When you screw up putting the heatsink on and you hear a horrible crack. The K7's had an exposed core so the heatsink went directly on it, and alot of people cracked their cores, in fact both of my K7's have chipped cores, and both still work fine, those CPUs were durable. ;)

I did that to my Athlon XP 2100+ :( Crack the core. It actually booted Windows too LOL. Then burned out....

Still I say Intel at the present moment in time. It will more than likely change when Intel gets complacent (again).

[tkpenalty]

i remember the p4 time what was the best proccesor in that time again???/



i know it it was the athlon FX:rockout:

lawl... FX62 vs 6Ghz P4... FX62 still won

[btarunr]

Yup. They used to say that it would take a 5.8 GHz Northwood to outperform the Athlon 64 FX 55

But now it would take a 3.8 GHz Athlon64 X2 to outperform a Core 2 Duo E6850 and a 4.5 GHz Phenom to run over a QX6850

[PyroX1040]

My old ass 3200+ AMD stock 2.0Ghz, is running at 3.4Ghz without a problem kinda nice to be able to push that little thing that far, I payed like $25 for that thing and it's amazing!

[zekrahminator]

AMD wins value and performance right up to mid-range. If you're going high-end you really should get a Core 2 Duo.

In light of recent performance benchmarks, I really don't give a crap about brand. So long as it boots, performs, and does so at a reasonable price, I'm fine with it.

[xfire]

Here in India most people stick to IGP incuding me(don't know about other countries).
AFAIK intel supporting mobo's have very bad IGP and they are priced higher.
On AMD front the 690G chipset from AMD and 7xxx of Nvidia. I know there is a port of Nvidia's 7xxx chips to intel but then compare the features it offers and you'll see the difference.
Price wise I say AMD is cheaper because even the motherboards are cheaper and offer greater set of features.

[cdawall]

i have always used AMD for gaming systems cause the always offered the best bang for the buck hence my current rig but i may be snaggin the PD out of my vid editing machine and droppin in a new xeon quad or C2Q and P35 board and use the PD and a 775Dual-VSTA to game on man how times change :(

[KainXS]

I gotta say intel, AMD cpu's are basically no longer good budget performance cpu's. especially since the E2160 series came out and threw all AMD's budget and some of its high performance CPU's in the gutter, its like 60 bucks now and can oveclock to a X2 6000+ level of performance easily

intel obviously planned for that to happen though]

before the core series was released the X2's were some great cpu's and still are but now you can get better for a similar price soooo

[xfire]

Agreed that c2d processor are cheap but you shouldn't be comparing the performance after oc'ing. For ocing you spend money on better cooling,better motherboard,better ram etc.
For stuff other thatn gaming like surfing,office work an x2 would be a better option cause AM2 mobo's are cheaper when compared motherboards c2d's&c2q. Also when compared to same priced intel motherboards or same chipsets some features are missing.
For example
Nvidia 7050 chipset for Intel and AMD
The chipset for AMD has 4 ram slot and support dual channel
The chipset for Intel has 2 ram slot and doesnot support dual channel.

When it comes down to budget AMD still has the upper hand, When it comes to performance intel has upper hand.

[tigger]

heres my amusing pic-

http://img.techpowerup.org/080102/intel-amd-fight.jpg

At the monent,intel is best.Who knows in the future,tho' i would'nt bet on amd at the moment.

[strick94u]

My take on the whole thing is when I joined here may 2006 AMD was king of both performance and price and the AMD crowed was freaking cocky as hell now the Intel crowd is. My take is hats off to the Intel faithful from back in the AMD days and hats off to the AMD faithful now hopefully better days are coming. And I hope they do because Intel will break us over like shotguns if they lose the competition.