MOBO ? for Pancho and others

[NONYA]

Do you know of a mobo w/ cpu that I can fit in either my optiplex gx270 or dimension 2100 can and use this PSU,ether plug and play OR modify and use...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=200180594571&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI
it HAS to have a AGP slot and take my ddr pc2700 ram,I have been looking at many of them on ebay but many dont say exactly what ram they take,THANX!

[panchoman]

nonya, you're better off trying to find the oem board that was originally in your optiplex. the power pins on dell oem boards have a different layout then standard atx boards, and since you bought a dell psu, you'd need to locate a dell oem board. plus, switching board chipsets may require you to reinstall windows. and correct me if im wrong, but oem installations are associated with the motherboard?

[Cold Storm]

+1... Dell is a very very mean witch and she don't like to play fare with others :nutkick:... I've had to upgrade a few dell systems with parts here and there... and And dell didn't like that. You'd have to install windows no matter what with a new board... Its so you don't have windows seeing your old hardware... You really don't want xp to keep on yelling at you for the ethernet card to be put back in when they don't have but the boards ethernet....

[NONYA]

Im trying to put together a bare bones pc HERE
http://stores.ebay.com/OnlinePC-Computers_INTEL_Barebones_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ1 63075018QQftidZ2QQtZkm
case,mobo W/ agp ,3.0-3.2 intel chip,2 gigs of ram,good PSU, for well under 300 anyone want to play along?

[panchoman]

Im trying to put together a bare bones pc HERE
http://stores.ebay.com/OnlinePC-Computers_INTEL_Barebones_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ1 63075018QQftidZ2QQtZkm
case,mobo W/ agp ,3.0-3.2 intel chip,2 gigs of ram,good PSU, for well under 300 anyone want to play along?

if you go amd, i might be able to cook something for under 300 bucks...

[Cold Storm]

well , what do you want... because making a system there is just :wtf:
I just had to put that... because if you want agp.. they are all pci systems that have on board video...

[NONYA]

Is there another vendor that offers AGP that you know of?

[panchoman]

return your pp&c dell and get the pp&c in that cart, and then you've got an e4400 allendale which can clock up to 3.0 easily, you've got an asrock mobo that'll do agp, 2 gigs of uber ram, and a nice cooler master case to put it all in

[Cold Storm]

return your pp&c dell and get the pp&c in that cart, and then you've got an e4400 allendale which can clock up to 3.0 easily, you've got an asrock mobo that'll do agp, 2 gigs of uber ram, and a nice cooler master case to put it all in

+1 on that.. would of looked but putting together a computer for my sister... great build and you can't find an AGP system any better!

[panchoman]

update actually, the board cant take ddr2 800, so i put in ddr2 667.. and added a cheap but great ac7 cpu cooling fan. this will allow you to go to the 3.4g ish range with that cpu.

-75 bucks for the psu and minus 30 bucks in rebate gives you around 289 bucks for the system, and with shipping, you've got a great system for 300 bucks flat.

[NONYA]

looks good Pancho,Im exploring lots of options right now,the old lady almost gave me the go ahead to go to Costco and buy something new,do they offer anything I wouldnt want in my price range?What do you think of this setup?Is this processor going to be as fast?

[Cold Storm]

And it still at the same price!! my god man your on a roll today!

[NONYA]

Ok check this biotch out...
http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-PENTIUM-D-925-3-0GHz-DDR-DDR2-AGP-PCIe-BAREBONES_W0QQitemZ300186764930QQihZ020QQcategoryZ 140076QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Polaris573]

nonya, you're better off trying to find the oem board that was originally in your optiplex. the power pins on dell oem boards have a different layout then standard atx boards, and since you bought a dell psu, you'd need to locate a dell oem board. plus, switching board chipsets may require you to reinstall windows. and correct me if im wrong, but oem installations are associated with the motherboard?

That's not exactly true, most dell motherboards use the standard ATX power pinout now. It's best to research a particular model to make sure it does however. The main problem is getting the motherboard to fit in the OEM case.

[JrRacinFan]

OK so your saying you need barebones that will do AGP and ddr2 ram? but support conroe/allendale?

@Polaris

closer to 80% of dell systems, you switch out the power supply you have to switch out the motherboard also.

[panchoman]

same board that i picked out, though a Core 2 Duo will really beat that Pentium D, and plus you've got cooling too. and you still need to buy memory for that ebay rig (about 45 bucks for the crucial) and of course i picked out a high end psu for you, you can pick other cheap but good psu's as well. so all in all, i'd say, put together a similiar rig on newegg for the same price and go from there. more customizable, better choice of parts and cases you know.

but the ebay barebone is still very good.

[Cold Storm]

That is a good system... you have head room to expand to a C2d or a high end GPU... if your really wanting to get something under 300 I'd go for it...
But, I'm still with Pancho's second build... going to ebay here and there for something is good.. you can sometimes find better parts... but for the system that Pancho put together... anywhere else would be paying 600 or more for it...

[JrRacinFan]

Heres a decent performing combo if you want to switch to PCIe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138051

Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116040

Some RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211066

The power supply and choose a case for ATX.

[NONYA]

Thanx guys,im in spin mode right ow looking at all these options...with my online pick
http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-PENTIUM-D-925-3-0GHz-DDR-DDR2-AGP-PCIe-BAREBONES_W0QQitemZ300186764930QQihZ020QQcategoryZ 140076QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#Shippi ngPayment
it says sata2 socket,do they still have the old ata sockets so I can hook up my Hds?Doesnt say in their specs...

[panchoman]

its got


- 2 x ATA133 IDE connectors (support 4 x IDE devices)

[NONYA]

my bad...so can you find anything wrong with this setup,says it supports Ocing tech of some kind,dual core 3.0 cpu,big PSU...all i need is two sticks of ram and im in buisness.

[panchoman]

yup,http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146567 -- some great top notch ram.

my only concern is the psu, what psu is it?

[Cold Storm]

If you can't go with Pancho's build or even Jr's then I'd say its an ok system... you have the ability to upgrade whenever, and thats all ways good... I just suggest when you do upgrade, upgrade the PSU.... Buy switching to well known PSU you can save bundles and bundles of money all the way around

[NONYA]

all it says is 580 watt PSU,so i assume its a generic pos..dot know

[JrRacinFan]

Thanx guys,im in spin mode right ow looking at all these options...with my online pick
http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-PENTIUM-D-925-3-0GHz-DDR-DDR2-AGP-PCIe-BAREBONES_W0QQitemZ300186764930QQihZ020QQcategoryZ 140076QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#Shippi ngPayment
it says sata2 socket,do they still have the old ata sockets so I can hook up my Hds?Doesnt say in their specs...

But the build I pointed sure it doesn't include a case, but it includes a pretty decent performing midrange vid card. The celeron 420 IMO is just a hair notch below the PD925.

[panchoman]

a bad psu could possibly fry your whole system. a good psu will pay for its price premium over the generic psu's overtime, because of its energy efficency. a good efficent psu will not only pay for its price premium on your electricity bill but it will also save you a good amount of money in the long run.

[Polaris573]

closer to 80% of dell systems, you switch out the power supply you have to switch out the motherboard also.

I did some research. The 2100 uses the infamous proprietary power supply, however, the optiplex does not. Beginning with the 8200 and the 4400 Dell started using a PSU with the standard ATX pinout.

[NONYA]

So...is it possible that i can use the PSU I ordered for the opti in this new setup Im going to order from ebay?

[Cold Storm]

If you really want to go with what you've built go with it.. but buy a PSU and swap it out... if you can't now, get it the first time you can!!

[Cold Storm]

So...is it possible that i can use the PSU I ordered for the opti in this new setup Im going to order from ebay?

I wouldn't suggest it...

Sorry for the double post...

[NONYA]

because its underpowered or because it wont match?

[Cold Storm]

Its not because it won't match... It will... but you've had that system for how long? PSU dampen in power after so many years.. And I believe the 2100 was the last system that I worked on... And it was older than dirt...
I had a PSU for around 5 years... and because of that and how it dampened in power after those years, it wouldn't support my ocing... but my new one of the same wattage did... on my old rig...

[NONYA]

Ahhhh no i ordered a new PSU it will be delivered Mon. for the opti,its this one...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=200180594571&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI

[Cold Storm]

I can't remember if there is something different with the connectors or not... I believe it can... even if it cant... return it and get something that can... the psu that Panchoman showed you was 6 dollars less and more...

[NONYA]

maybe Ill get lucky and it will,if not Ill try to return/swap it out for one that will,this will be my first "hotrod" PC and Im going to blame Pancho for sweet talking me into this when my GF decides my pc is more important to me than her and moves out(that would suk she pays half the bills!)Thanx for all the help guys,in a week or so when I get this SOB up and runnin Ill post pics/data,BTW my uncle is sending me Govt issued copies of XP and Vista,wich should i use,my Vcard and everything else says its Vist ready...

[Cold Storm]

Vista is a mean mofo.. It won't like AGP at all! there is some sites that help you get through it and working... google "Vista and AGP" and you can research on that.. I had a thread that was about vista and agp because i was duel booting with my old AMD Athlon 64 rig...
But, you'll do good if you research.

[JrRacinFan]

I am pretty sure very postitive that PSU won't work on that PD925 barebones setup. Maybe look into a an Antec NeoHe 550W, a somewhat decent Corsair.

@Vista

Meh, if you got the RAM use it. What video card for your specs?

[NONYA]

I have ddr ram,4 .5 gig sticks,so i ordered 2 1 gig ddr 2 sticks,Ill have a total of 3 gigs,the v card is an ati x1650 pro 512mb,says its vista ready.

[Cold Storm]

Yes it will work... if you use just DDR2 ram I had the same card.. I can give you a volt mod if you want to make it run off your power supply.. and anything over 2gbs on vista x86 (32bit) will be fine.. if its Vista x64 (64 bit) then it will need 4gbs...

[JrRacinFan]

I have ddr ram,4 .5 gig sticks,so i ordered 2 1 gig ddr 2 sticks,Ill have a total of 3 gigs.

Nope, you can only run ddr or ddr2, you cannot run them simultaneously on that board.

the v card is an ati x1650 pro 512mb,says its vista ready.

That's decent. Pretty much midrange.

[NONYA]

Nope, you can only run ddr or ddr2, you cannot run them simultaneously on that board.



That's decent. Pretty much midrange.
So the only way to run 4 gigs is 2 2 gigs of either?

[NONYA]

or does this mobo only support 2 gig?

[NONYA]

yep only 2 so Am i better of with ddr2 or ddr?

[Cold Storm]

It only supports 2gbs max on ether ddr ports...

[twicksisted]

Is there another vendor that offers AGP that you know of?

When I upgraded my dell, I upgraded my board to an ASROCK 4coredual VSTA
Socket 775 (P4, core2duo & quad)
Takes AGP 8X & PCI-Express X16
DDR1 & DDR2
Sata & Ide

Heres a link to the manufacturer:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4COREDUAL-VSTA

Though the actual board wouldnt fit into the dell case, so i bought a new case.
The VSTA part is a certification (apparently) that the board is vista ready.
I had this board for about 6 months, then upgraded when i had more money. Much easier on the bank to do it that way.

That PSU is 20pin +4pin and that PCpower and cooling 410W you bought will work fine as that dell uses 20pin if im not mistaken ;)
My Dell prescision 360 & dimension 5000 all work fine with normal PSU's as I have upgraded them before. I think on the older dells they had different pin layouts.

This motherboard is crap for overclocking and is very limited, but if you run everything standard out the box, its a great upgrade path as you can put your old gear on and upgrade it (core2duo, DDR2 etc...) piece by piece.

[NONYA]

return your pp&c dell and get the pp&c in that cart, and then you've got an e4400 allendale which can clock up to 3.0 easily, you've got an asrock mobo that'll do agp, 2 gigs of uber ram, and a nice cooler master case to put it all in

where did you find these?