Pancho and all others opinions appreciated! [Archive]

NONYA

01-01-2008, 10:10 PM

Ok this....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=300186764930&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI
or this combo of parts,if there is something im forgetting please let me know..
http://cgi.ebay.com/AOpen-G520-Tower-PC-Computer-Case-w-680W-Power-Supply_W0QQitemZ280145923319QQihZ018QQcategoryZ510 63QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-P4-3-2GHz-4DDR-AGP-PCIe-MOTHERBOARD-CPU-COMBO_W0QQitemZ300187009104QQihZ020QQcategoryZ1089 78QQcmdZViewItem
Is there something else I need to get to make this a working build?I have 4 500mb ddr 2700 sticks,sata hard drives,apg vcard....

Cold Storm

01-01-2008, 10:17 PM

If you are thinkin on doing something like the combo... go with what Panchoman showed you in the other thread... You will not be disappointed and will love every second you have with that system...
DDR2 is what type of ram you want to go with, don't settle with old ddr stuff... You want to get something that will allow you to upgrade easier then it will be now... Don't step down.. go up...
and if you can't go with the price that panchoman showed you.. get the first one... the 2 sticks of DDR2 that you said you got will work and vista will run on that... I got Ultimate x86 and i have had no problems with any of it!

NONYA

01-01-2008, 10:23 PM

Trying to keep this as cheap as possible,I have a have a case,psu and mobo with processor,3.0 or better,if its ddr2 then i need ram as well...

Cold Storm

01-01-2008, 10:35 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157115 59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116254 94.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703011 74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115 34.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211066 42.99
307.95... it would be 282 all together with the mail in rebates...

JrRacinFan

01-01-2008, 10:41 PM

Motherboard: $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157115

Ram: $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161675

Cpu: $72
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116037

So far ~$150, add a power supply and case.

EDIT: ^^Beat me to it Cold Storm, almost the same build.

NONYA

01-01-2008, 11:02 PM

that 1.6 ghz cpu isnt what I want,Id like to have 3.0 without an OCing,is there a 3.0 ghz w/ mobo on this site for sale?What can I do for $300 us dollars,including shipping and not considering mail in rebates?Thats 300 for case,PSU,mobo,cpu, has to be agp,sata,THANX>

Cold Storm

01-01-2008, 11:06 PM

its 1.6 duel processor... better than your Pent. D 3.0...

fitseries3

01-01-2008, 11:08 PM

Kursah

01-01-2008, 11:14 PM

a 1.8ghz core 2 duo will eat a 3ghz pentium d ALIVE. don't waste your money on old technology.

Hands down, that's a FACT! I upgraded from an OC'd P4 630 3.0 single core w/HT OC'd to 3.7 to an e6300 almost a year ago...at it's stock 1.86 clock, it smoked my P4 in everything. Now I have my 6300 oc'd to 3.5 and there's definately no competition. Hell it oc'd to 3.3 without increasing vCore, it's a B2 stepping so it does OC well, but results can vary.

I'd recommend spending less on a C2D that has OC potential, getting some chea DDR2 a decent cooler for CPU (I use AC Freezer 7 Pro, performs great, dunno if it can be beat at it's price point...), a decent MB and PSU, OC it a tad and be good to go! Overclocking isn't hard, it's the proper preperation and stability verifying that's tedious, but very much worth it!

:toast:

jpierce55

01-01-2008, 11:17 PM

I don't know what your plans are, never seen the other thread but:

1. If this is a true budget build the $44 PC Chips am2 board is o.k., not for performance.

2. This case is a little flimsy but has a solid/stable 500watt psu (not 400 like listed) I have used it on a build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811164004 I would not use the psu on a gaming system, but for a budget build it is good.

NONYA

01-01-2008, 11:18 PM

so the dual rated at 1.6ghz will out perform the Intel Pentium D 925 3.0GHz Dual Core CPU in the bare bones i was gonna order?Before OCing?

JrRacinFan

01-01-2008, 11:20 PM

Short answer, yes.

hat

01-01-2008, 11:20 PM

That's right.
Also, use Newegg for buying computers. Ebay is a bad idea IMO.

Cold Storm

01-01-2008, 11:21 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116037
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211061
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115
281.95 all together.. and if you add your shipping then I bet you can get that under 300...

fitseries3

01-01-2008, 11:21 PM

core 2's KILL!!! dont buy a computer off of ebay. parts are ok though. you best bet is to take one of these guys ^^^ recommendations. if i had the time i would give you a list of parts too, but they usually beat me to the chase :)

Sasqui

01-01-2008, 11:25 PM

so the dual rated at 1.6ghz will out perform the Intel Pentium D 925 3.0GHz Dual Core CPU in the bare bones i was gonna order?Before OCing?

These are experienced professionals :) Yes, and totally more if you overclock.

Here are some benchmarks to look at, huge difference: http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=882&model2=890&chart=435

JrRacinFan

01-01-2008, 11:29 PM

Sorry Cold Storm but I am going to haev to say this power supply is pretty darn good for price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104032

Cold Storm

01-01-2008, 11:30 PM

We can baby step you to an oc, without a new heat sink, on the cpu to maybe around 2.2ghz... A DANG GOOD UPING... 2 2.2ghz processors going at once, instead of one 3 going..

Cold Storm

01-01-2008, 11:31 PM

Sorry Cold Storm but I am going to haev to say this power supply is pretty darn good for price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104032

I'd have to go with you on that! really good find man.. and never be sorry for finding something at a better price then someone else.. your known as all ways doing a good budget build... no hurt feelings here..

NONYA

01-01-2008, 11:32 PM

fitseries3

01-01-2008, 11:32 PM

i had a e2160 that could hit 3.6ghz easy and bench close to a e6600.

Cold Storm

01-01-2008, 11:35 PM

OK would I need any cds or anything to get this combo up and runnin?Pancho what do you tink?

You are getting the xp and vista cds from your uncle right? if so wait till you get them and you'll be all set... I'd change out the psu I suggest with the one that JR just put out a link for.. its a good price for a psu like that... but if you want a name brand one then use mine...
As for Pancho. PM him about the build.. I believe he is out right now so it won't be till later this evening before anything from him...

NONYA

01-01-2008, 11:36 PM

ANY CHANCE THIS psu WOULD WORK?i HAVE ON ON THE WAY...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=200180594571&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI

JrRacinFan

01-01-2008, 11:37 PM

I thought Fortron Source Group is a good name brand?!

I'd rate there power supplies as the budget buyer's "Seasonics and Corsairs".

Cold Storm

01-01-2008, 11:44 PM

I thought Fortron Source Group is a good name brand?!

I'd rate there power supplies as the budget buyer's "Seasonics and Corsairs".

if you have heard about them before, then I'd go with your word on it.. I, myself, haven't seen anything about them so I don't know.. But, like i said, I believe your word and take it on that 100%.
and as for you Nonya, I think it can, but I really haven't seen anything that can tell me yes or no at all... if you want, e-mail dell and ask then about it.. That will give you the right answer...

fitseries3

01-01-2008, 11:47 PM

PC POWER & COOLING are kick ass power supplies.

JrRacinFan

01-01-2008, 11:48 PM

Any chance this PSU would work? I have it on the way ....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=200180594571&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI
Work with what?

If you're speaking the Asrock build:

That's something you would have to email PC P&C customer service about. To me it looks like it wouldn't only reason because the Dell you have has a proprietary power supply connector on it's motherboard.

@fitseries

Neversaid they weren't, they are damn great PSU's.

NONYA

01-01-2008, 11:53 PM

OK this is what Im lookin at,any objections?
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx

JrRacinFan

01-01-2008, 11:55 PM

No offense NONYA but that will display our own personal cart contents and not display what you picked to us, silly man. :p

fitseries3

01-01-2008, 11:55 PM

that doesnt work.

Cold Storm

01-01-2008, 11:58 PM

take a picture of it with you prtscn button on the keyboard, then go to TPU's free imaging system and Youll get it

NONYA

01-02-2008, 12:00 AM

oops ok..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211061
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116037
anyone see any conflicts or something im forgettin?

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 12:01 AM

if you want to go cheaper with your build, use Jr's psu that he showed. it would be good..

NONYA

01-02-2008, 12:02 AM

Id rather go more dependable since its still within my budget

NONYA

01-02-2008, 12:06 AM

Last chance to tell me IM f,n up im about to hit the buy button........

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 12:13 AM

I don't see anything wrong with the build, and everything is what ether Jr or myself has told you... if pancho was on I believe hed go with it also

NONYA

01-02-2008, 12:31 AM

Done deal,just waiting for the confimation email,PANCHO where were you man...LOL,I odered it 3 day so probably Monday-tues,dont know.Are you guys going to ban me when I start asking how to OC this system?

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 12:37 AM

why are we going to ban you? just look at everyone specs that has helped you... I'll see if I can find the thread for noobs and ocing... nothing against you on that... also if you want.. wikipedia has a good basics on over clocking if you want to look it up and print it out to read...

NONYA

01-02-2008, 01:06 AM

Will any of the OCing programs avaliable for DL here work with this new sys?

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 01:07 AM

yeah: when it gets time and you are going for it, then we'll start you out

NONYA

01-02-2008, 01:11 AM

sweet tHANX again guys,my first "build",now i friggen happy my pos dell burned up on me!

panchoman

01-02-2008, 01:11 AM

hey nonya, whats up? you get the build decided?

JrRacinFan

01-02-2008, 01:14 AM

Your late Panch. He bought the following:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211061
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116037

Just a small build we helped him with cause he wanted to use his AGP card but wanted some upgradeability.

NONYA

01-02-2008, 01:15 AM

There u r Pancho,yep just ordered....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820211061
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116037
waddya think?

panchoman

01-02-2008, 01:18 AM

hey! looks great! but that ram is like holy cow! ram in hot pink :eek: A-data ram is d9 isn't it though? great ram though. mighty sweet system you're building there NONYA!

@jr yeah im late lol, but oh well, atleast im here now instead of never appearing lol. hey, wanna hit me up on aim/msn/meebo? thanks.

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 01:20 AM

the psu you pointed out.
ram from adata. I pointed out
the mobo you pointed out
and a really cheap duo processor jr pointed out

panchoman

01-02-2008, 01:21 AM

the psu you pointed out.
ram from adata.
the mobo you pointed out
and a really cheap duo processor

cheap duo processor and it still kicks my x2 :(

i used jr's links and they worked so yeah. thanks so much for going through all that trouble man.

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 01:29 AM

we'd be here to help yo... just wanted to use that.. don't worry... you have your chance to work that off for me!!!! my father wants a new build... so were going to have fun!

NONYA

01-02-2008, 01:33 AM

Think I can get over 3ghz out of it without overdooing the stock cooling it comes with?

panchoman

01-02-2008, 01:33 AM

oh sure, i can come up with a great system on newegg in a matter of 5-7 minutes. just hit me on msn(you too jr if you'd like lol) and it'll make things easier, its not like i need the post count :p.

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 01:35 AM

I really don't think you'll be able to go over 2.4 without a heatsink... but when the time comes we will see! I bet your just ready to work on that baby!

panchoman

01-02-2008, 01:37 AM

jc316 here got around 3.4 with an ac7 on his e4300 allendale. not sure about the e2xxx series about they are allendale so idk. i'd theorize you could get 3.0 with a good cooler. maybe 2.3ish on stock as cold said

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 01:40 AM

oh sure, i can come up with a great system on newegg in a matter of 5-7 minutes. just hit me on msn(you too jr if you'd like lol) and it'll make things easier, its not like i need the post count :p.

I'm going to think about it a few days and throw things at my dad and when he tells me his budget I'll let you know.. probably be somewhere in the 1000 dollar market... he'll tell me more but I don't want to spend to much... I know my dad...

JrRacinFan

01-02-2008, 01:46 AM

Pancho, your not going to top my $175 ram/mobo upgrade that supports WOLFDALES and is DFI! :p

panchoman

01-02-2008, 01:47 AM

o rly?

hit me?

JrRacinFan

01-02-2008, 01:51 AM

DFI Infinity P965-S: 79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136034

As of the 11/15/07 Beta Bios it supports 1333FSB 45nm Wolfdales

Or could even go a P35 based DFI: The BloodIron: $108
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136038

2 of these in dual channel:
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=T800UB1GC5

They use D9's.

And of course a few odds and end things .....

panchoman

01-02-2008, 01:54 AM

nice jr! you're using the celey untill wolfy?

JrRacinFan

01-02-2008, 01:55 AM

Either wolfy or if my budget goes downhill, an e2200.

panchoman

01-02-2008, 02:01 AM

Either wolfy or if my budget goes downhill, an e2200.

awww i know you bad you feel about the budget but you gotta stay strong and get that wolfy man!

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 02:07 AM

Save the money man! I know you can do it! and we will have fun and more fun drooling over it

NONYA

01-02-2008, 02:24 AM

You guys are a BAD influence!Yes I cant wait,got my confirmation email so it should ship tomorrow!

panchoman

01-02-2008, 02:32 AM

bad influence in what way? hey good luck with your build

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 02:52 AM

We're all good guys! ... looks to the left and nods to let Pancho know that the horns are down... there isn't anything showing us anything bad? ... pushes in the tail so no one can see... really!!!! :cool:

panchoman

01-02-2008, 02:55 AM

NONYA

01-02-2008, 03:04 AM

Bad as in you can talk me into doing BAD things( the GF will say its bad),cant wait to move over to the OC forum and crank some S*** up,the cpu comes with a heatsink/fan,so Ill have some cooling.

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 03:22 AM

oh yeah, all cpu's come with a heatsink... thats why i said you could probably push to up to 2.4 with the stock heatsink... and as for g/f... she'd be lost with the word bios.. lol...
And I forgot to put.. I'm at 3.4 with a cheap heatsink.. I can go around 3.8 if I want, but I really don't like the temps on it... a 50 dollar heatsink is one of the next to get on my "wish list"

Namslas90

01-02-2008, 03:23 AM

oh yeah, all cpu's come with a heatsink... thats why i said you could probably push to up to 2.4 with the stock heatsink... and as for g/f... she'd be lost with the word bios.. lol...

OEM CPU packages do not come with a heatsink, unless specified. :toast:

NONYA

01-02-2008, 03:23 AM

How do these dual core processors perform compared to say a old school pentium 4 2.6?

NONYA

01-02-2008, 03:25 AM

Cooling Device Heatsink and Fan included

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 03:31 AM

OEM CPU packages do not come with a heatsink, unless specified. :toast:

I forgot about that word!
your performance has doubled... its two cpus on one chipset.. here
http://img.techpowerup.org/080101/hmmmm.jpg
with this you can see that I am looking at your thread, watching a dvd, and I am only using up about 14 percent of my processors...

and this is being run on vista ultimate...

NONYA

01-02-2008, 03:37 AM

Thats SWEET!,do you think I will have any problems installing the Vista on my build,my HDs currently have XP on them,so I get it up and running and then install VISTA?

JrRacinFan

01-02-2008, 03:41 AM

If you do have problems just ask, we're here to help yah.

panchoman

01-02-2008, 03:42 AM

just because you have 2 cores, does not mean that its double the performance. you cannot say, well the cpu runs at 2.5g on each core, and since there are 2 cores, i'll get an effective 5.0g out of the cpu. (this is a common ebay scam btw) a dual core cpu is like trying to get a huge crowd(like 500) through a standard doorway, sure a dual core cpus is 2 logical processors within 1 physical processor and both logical processors(cores) run at a speed of say 2.5ghz. both cores can work at the speed but they are bottlenecked by the door in the above example. the door being a combination of the architecture of dual core cpu's themselves and the socket. this is why multiple cpus are preferred over multicore cpu's.

bad explanation, i hope someone can explain better, but you get the point?

NONYA

01-02-2008, 03:44 AM

uhhhhh......ok sure....:) as long as i can get it to perform,run my games,stream porn and not burst into flames Ill be a happy camper :)

panchoman

01-02-2008, 03:48 AM

lol but cold is right, you'll see double and if not more of a performance boost from going from a single core p4 to a C2D. but i just didn't want cold to think it was double because of the core count.

JrRacinFan

01-02-2008, 03:50 AM

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 03:59 AM

Ok, here's my take on the dual core vs. single at same clock:

You have 2 fords both going 45mph on a 2 lane freeway, blocking you in your 45mph porsche boxster (single core). Well let's double the lanes to 4 (dual core) so you can pass and get (your data) through alot easier.

I hope that makes any sense.

EDIT: Does that sound right guys? I mean your not really increasing the performance/horsepower of your "Porsche Boxster".

nice racing quote man! it works.. I knew what was going on and I could easily teach someone about dual core vs single core because of that

and pancho, I didn't think that.. Me on small talk is really bad... if you want me to draw out any sort of thing then I can do it... but I guess I became complacated in something that really isn't

NONYA

01-02-2008, 06:52 PM

Add the Arctic freezer pro 7 cooling unit to my build,I know damn well Im going to need it.

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 07:00 PM

you added? or your thinking of?

NONYA

01-02-2008, 07:01 PM

Just ordered...

NONYA

01-02-2008, 07:02 PM

Hey guys check it out I now have SYSTEM SPECS!!

hat

01-02-2008, 07:02 PM

Cold Storm

01-02-2008, 07:10 PM

all right.. I like the fact that you went with the artic freezer 7... the processor that you bought really don't need that 50 dollar one! :toast:

and Hat, like the way you put it with a duel core.. now lets do quad! :eek:

JrRacinFan

01-02-2008, 10:19 PM

Nice one hat!

panchoman

01-02-2008, 10:31 PM

That's kind of a bad analogy.
Let's say processors are trains.
You have one train that can carry 10 tons of coal, going 50MHz (lets say 5GHz)
Now you have two trains that can carry 10 tons of coal each going 50MHz (5GHz again)

In theory dual core is much better, and my move from a socket 478 P4 3GHz with 1GB of DDR400 to this system with a 5200+ and 2GB of DDR2 533 was very, very noticible... battlefield 1942 maps now load in <10 seconds, unless it's a big one like El Alamien or Market Garden, those are still probably <10 seconds anyway

doesn't work fully like that. you're not fully double. you've got 2 trains(or cores), but one station to pass through (the cpu interface/socket). one had to wait a while for the other one to pass through.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080102/Capture136.jpg

great example though. would work with multi processor, but in multi core cpu's, the 2 tracks to have to merge to one track, and thats why dual core doesn't beat dual processor.

Ripper3

01-02-2008, 11:17 PM

Not always true, as Pancho said, about the exact double performance, but I think really, we all know this, and for Nonya, all he really wanted to know was the performance difference between a P4 2.4GHz and a C2D, and really, all he really needs to know there is, the performance difference is ginormous.
When I moved from a 3000+ single-core to a 4200+ dual-core, I noticed a huge difference in performance, there was no doubt about it, the 4200+ not only ran 400MHz faster per core than the 3000+ (2.2GHz rather than 1.8GHz), making any single-threaded apps even faster, but having a second core meant that I could run a lot more programs at the same time.
Any appications or games that can take advantage of a second CPU/core, will see an even bigger increase in performance, still not quite double, but might be close under some circumstances.

Nonya, pretty good system you've got there now. I've gotta say though, that for now, you might not really need to overclock, the performance is already good enough compared to your older system.