The CPU Debate we are currently having

[Skrabrug]

basicly been haveing this convo with a guy i know about CPUs

figure the best way to resolve this would be to post here here on a tech based site full of ppl who know what they are talking about...

the debate is... A AMD Athlon 64bit duel core 3.0 (6000+) is better than a Intel quad core 2.4?

i say yes the other guy says no.

[JrRacinFan]

In essence, both of you are correct. Theoretically, the AMD would be better in single-threaded apps. Multi-threaded goes to C2Q.

EDIT: corrected statement

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

intel quad pwns ...

[Skrabrug]

Depends on which model of C2D we are speaking of. e2140@2.4? e8200 underclocked @ 2.4?

Know what I mean? ;)

i have no idea of the model all i know its the one in one of the ACER machines they sell in pay as you go stores. (and nope its not O/C)

[JrRacinFan]

I corrected my statement above, noticed you put core 2 quad instead of core 2 duo. Seeing as though the Q6600 is mainstream I compared that.

[Kursah]

I wouldn't even argue...I would tell the guy to get what he wants with what he "knows". There could be more with that debate and an OEM Prebuilt PC that could lean the balance a tad, but in the end I would say the newer C2Q would win due to more effiecient processing...and if both are similarly clocked, I would have to say the C2Q would win.

But both chips are good in their own rights. Also, I'm sure what the PC would be used for may come into play as the C2Q would definatley own in the multitask/multithread arena compared to a dual core.

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[bcracer220]

nah, its not, intel quad is much better - it may be helpful to define "better" as the quad is a lot more futureproof, overclockable, and clock for clock is it much quicker than the amd 6000+. only real downside is the added heat.

[Skrabrug]

yeah its not the duel core one but the quad core one (duo is duel core Intel I'm guessing?)

is intel core 2 quad Q6600 is his CPU i think

[Skrabrug]

nah, its not, intel quad is much better - it may be helpful to define "better" as the quad is a lot more futureproof, overclockable, and clock for clock is it much quicker than the amd 6000+. only real downside is the added heat.

I'm talking abut not over clocked and just set as default for gaming.

[AphexDreamer]

I'm talking abut not over clocked and just set as default for gaming.

It depends if the game is useing all four cores or just two?

If the game is useing two cores, then two 3.0 is better than two 2.4, but if it is capable of useing four cores then four cores at 2.4 is better then two at 3.0.

[pt]

amd wins in some, intel wins in others

[hat]

I think the quad would out perform the 6000+ even in single threaded apps.

[Kursah]

I'm talking abut not over clocked and just set as default for gaming.

A q6600 would pwn any dual core AMD 3.0...hell a dual core C2D at 2.6 would give that 3.0 a bad time! And if they were both clocked the same (let's say 2.4), the AMD just wouldn't keep up as well. If the AMD was priced to be much cheaper than the C2D counterpart, then budget would be the main factor in comparison.

Right now Intel vs. AMD, goes to Intel, and has since they released Conroe (summer 05?? I forget now...lol). I do hope to see AMD get back into the ring and hit harder, and I bet they will, but their current stuff just can't keep up. But hey they still beat Netburst clock for clock!

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[Skrabrug]

i originally didn't want to get into this debate but he's been going on about ti for 3 days now and he's already calling me "n00b" for not playing CSS and bugging me because i don't have a 22" LCD.. pretty much he just wants something else to wank on about.

[AphexDreamer]

But if the app does not make use of the cores, then does that not make the cores entirley useless for that app?

Why have 8 cores at 1.0Ghz on a single threaded app, when its only going to use that one core of 1.0ghz, in essence, a single core at 3.0ghz would own the 8 core at 1.0 Ghz.... no?

[kwchang007]

Single thread, it's going to be close with either one winning or coming close to the other. Multi-core, the x2 is crushed, no competition. Also, IF the q6600 was at 3ghz, it would smoke the 6000+

[Skrabrug]

which AMD chip would utterly crush his then.. if need be i WILL buy it.

[tigger]

There is'nt an amd chip really that would crush his,unfortunatley.

[Kursah]

which AMD chip would utterly crush his then.. if need be i WILL buy it.

An AMD chip to crush a q6600? Do they make one yet? Keep an eye on the new Phenoms, you may see a good contender in the future, but by then Intel's next chips could be out there one step ahead...or AMD could have a trick up their sleeves.

Right now, the performance buck goes to Intel dude...fanboy or not, many have realised this and either deal with it or get over it another way. Really does it matter so much to have a chip that crushes his if your system is currently fine for your needs?

And if you got a current quad core from AMD that was even just below Q6600 stock, he could easily OC the snot out of it (well...depending on support if it's a prebuilt...meh...) without much work to stomp anything you could even consider buying from the AMD camp, and sure go ahead and OC that AMD chip...the new intels go further. Really now is not AMD's time for the crown...maybe within the next year or two, maybe...sooner. Time will tell. Either way both chip makers have good CPU's, it just depends on the speed and performance one wants or what brand they prefer...but there's always going to be one side that has the upper hand...AMD did for a while during the Netburst run from Intel...well the tides have changed and it looks to stay that way at least for a little while.

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[Graogrim]

AMD has been facing a struggle since Intel brought out the Core architecture. AFAIK they don't have anything yet that can top it. In certain segments they *might* offer more bang for the buck, but I haven't researched that so I could only say maybe.

In this particular comparison the benchmarks that I've seen (unsurprisingly) give the win to the Q6600 in most categories. Sometimes narrowly, sometimes overwhelmingly. Some older unthreaded apps can run a bit faster on the AMD.

It's pretty safe to say that the Q6600 is a superior processor.

[Wile E]

I just came from an AMD platform with all manner of chips, including the 6000+ and the 6400+, to this Q6600. At the worst case scenario for the Intel, they are equal. In everything else, the Q6600 wins. So overall the Q6600 is faster because it either ties, or wins in just about everything when everything is set to stock.

Once you overclock tho, the Q6600 wins in 100% of everything.

[largon]

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/20/does-amds-athlon-64-x2-6000-have-any-kick-left/page5.html
http://techreport.com/articles.x/12091/3

C2Q Q6600 > X2 6000+

[Skrabrug]

An AMD chip to crush a q6600? Do they make one yet? Keep an eye on the new Phenoms, you may see a good contender in the future, but by then Intel's next chips could be out there one step ahead...or AMD could have a trick up their sleeves.

Right now, the performance buck goes to Intel dude...fanboy or not, many have realised this and either deal with it or get over it another way. Really does it matter so much to have a chip that crushes his if your system is currently fine for your needs?

And if you got a current quad core from AMD that was even just below Q6600 stock, he could easily OC the snot out of it (well...depending on support if it's a prebuilt...meh...) without much work to stomp anything you could even consider buying from the AMD camp, and sure go ahead and OC that AMD chip...the new intels go further. Really now is not AMD's time for the crown...maybe within the next year or two, maybe...sooner. Time will tell. Either way both chip makers have good CPU's, it just depends on the speed and performance one wants or what brand they prefer...but there's always going to be one side that has the upper hand...AMD did for a while during the Netburst run from Intel...well the tides have changed and it looks to stay that way at least for a little while.

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ehh i doubt he would ever OC it because he was even to afraid to upgrade the graphics card for fear it might voided his warranty.

I'm just pissed his crappy store bought machine is better than mine in one spec (which isn't to bad really i guess but i know i wont hear the end of it)

the really sort fo funny thing is ever though he is boasting about this constantly its rather useless seeing as he is only using ti to play games like CSS, SoF2, Halo, and Serious Sam.

its just really pissing me off he CONSTANTLY is calling me a "n00b" over this one little spec.. seeing as the guy actually had to ask me yesterday what thermal compound was used for and another time he asked me if his PC has a heatsink.

[Mussels]

basicly been haveing this convo with a guy i know about CPUs

figure the best way to resolve this would be to post here here on a tech based site full of ppl who know what they are talking about...

the debate is... A AMD Athlon 64bit duel core 3.0 (6000+) is better than a Intel quad core 2.4?

i say yes the other guy says no.

intel wins. Some people are undecided here, buit the intel is faster per MHz than AMD - if you pair them with fast ram (800+) then the intel will win. if you use crap ram (533 or 667 with good latencies) the AMD will win.

Q6600 gets my vote, because ram is cheap these days, its got twice as many cores for future proofing... and it overclocks like a bitch :D

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Q6600 >>>>>>>> Amd

[ntdouglas]

intel wins. Some people are undecided here, buit the intel is faster per MHz than AMD - if you pair them with fast ram (800+) then the intel will win. if you use crap ram (533 or 667 with good latencies) the AMD will win.

Q6600 gets my vote, because ram is cheap these days, its got twice as many cores for future proofing... and it overclocks like a bitch :D


Yes. A quad overclocked is a beautiful thing.:D

[Wile E]

Yes. A quad overclocked is a beautiful thing.:D

Most certainly. :D

[Kursah]

ehh i doubt he would ever OC it because he was even to afraid to upgrade the graphics card for fear it might voided his warranty.

I'm just pissed his crappy store bought machine is better than mine in one spec (which isn't to bad really i guess but i know i wont hear the end of it)

the really sort fo funny thing is ever though he is boasting about this constantly its rather useless seeing as he is only using ti to play games like CSS, SoF2, Halo, and Serious Sam.

its just really pissing me off he CONSTANTLY is calling me a "n00b" over this one little spec.. seeing as the guy actually had to ask me yesterday what thermal compound was used for and another time he asked me if his PC has a heatsink.

Well, if your system treats you fine then oh well...let it roll off your back...I mean who really cares what this character thinks of your rig? Just whoop his ass in game and let him know it doesn't take a store bought, over-paid unit like his to kick ass in the game!

If his words get to you that much, let him know...dunno if you guys are friends or not, and that could change the situation accordingly...either way tell him where to shove his over-paid PC and just enjoy yours! I'm not into who has the best what...whatever...if someone wants to spend too much money just for bragging rights, well that doesn't garner any respect from me. I'd rather build a gaming machine that's used for....GAMING!

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[Skrabrug]

Well, if your system treats you fine then oh well...let it roll off your back...I mean who really cares what this character thinks of your rig? Just whoop his ass in game and let him know it doesn't take a store bought, over-paid unit like his to kick ass in the game!

If his words get to you that much, let him know...dunno if you guys are friends or not, and that could change the situation accordingly...either way tell him where to shove his over-paid PC and just enjoy yours! I'm not into who has the best what...whatever...if someone wants to spend too much money just for bragging rights, well that doesn't garner any respect from me. I'd rather build a gaming machine that's used for....GAMING!

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normally it doesn't bother me i mean like this PC is actually the first PC I've owned which has had spare parts in it I've bough off friends and stuff who have upgrades, and normally it wouldn't get to me but this guy is someone i work with and honestly the way he goes on about it (like 7 hours a day for 4 days straight) I'm likely to strange him if he keeps distracting me from my work lol

i think next time he irritates me I'll jsut say "CSS is made of wank" just so he will rant about something else for a while. XD