HD2900xt Not overclocking?.. HELP!

[mackdaddy2887]

Hey all im using an HD2900xt.. previously pro, but flashed bios. the sapphire 1gig card btw.
According to Catalyst or CCC or w/e. it states my card is:
core: 507
mem: 514
now i have Overdrive turned on and already tuned and everything, it says it should overclock to
core: 848
mem: 1010

so now im out here playing Hellgatelondon.. max settings, and I alt-tab and reopen CCC to see if my card is running at the higher speeds. but alas.. in general info and on the current settings of the overdrive screen it still reads the 507 and 514. I have uninstalled my driver and CCC and re downloaded it again to make sure i have the correct stuff. The flash was done correctly because i followed the directions I got off this site to the T!
I thought the default clock speeds were supposed to be higher than 507 and 514 with the XT, but I let it slide. Now I can no longer sit back and wonder.
PLEASE help me guys.

oh and btw, im a new member, just signed up, but ive been reading these forums for quite some time, I love all you guys and this entire community thank you all.

[allen337]

my 2900xt says 507 gpu - 514 mem but when a 3d application is open it goes to 743-828

[mackdaddy2887]

Yeah I know thats why I included that bit about me playing Hellgate.. thats definetly a 3d app. But yet it still says the standard clocks.. why isnt it overclocking?

[mackdaddy2887]

sorry didnt mean to sound like a smart ass, that was more off a retorical statement, or something.. lol :):laugh:

[DaMulta]

my 2900xt says 507 gpu - 514 mem but when a 3d application is open it goes to 743-828

:toast:

You backed out of the game(3d APP) to look at your clocks.

[Wile E]

Could have Alt-Tabbing out been the culprit?

Download RivaTuner 2.06 or AtiTool .27b3, and use the monitoring feature to log the gpu/mem speeds. See what they have to say.

EDIT, Oh, and fill out your system specs on this site's User CP. The more info you give us, the more likely we can help.

[AsRock]

I find that some times it stays in 2D after ALT tabing with ATI Tool. Maybe CCC is doing the same thing ?. Only seen in happen with 7.12 drivers and not noticed it with 8.1's yet.

[mackdaddy2887]

OK i just updated my System specs, umm.. how do you know which CCC you have? ill DL those other programs and see if anything looks different. THanks for the replys. Ok ive Downloaded Atitool .27b3 .. how do i monitor my speeds?

[mackdaddy2887]

ok i left the monitoring thing on for a bit, turned on my game, and messed around, turned it off and came back. the monitor is nothing but a slider and doesnt tell me anything, so i checked the folder for some kind of log, and this is all i found:

2008-01-18 02:07:56 D Successfully connected to driver, version 150
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D Found ATI device: 0x1002 0x0000 bus 1 dev 0
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D GPU model: R600 XT
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D fbPhy: 0xD0000000, mmrPhy: 0xFBCF0000.
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D mmapped mmr to 0x1080000
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D RV6xx internal temp chip detection: failed
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D LM63 temp chip detection: success (0x1)
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D Temperature monitoring: LM63
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D HD 2900 XT Voltage controller dump:
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D VDDC: 1.000 V
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D MVDDC: 1.550 V
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D MVDDQ: 1.938 V
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D Voltage Controller: HD 2900 XT
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D Device initialized successfully
2008-01-18 02:07:56 D Could not read driver's clock table: 2
2008-01-18 02:15:05 I Application terminated.



I worry about the "Could not read driver's clock table: 2" error.. maybe my video card really isnt overclocking, and the application cant read what it is.

Ok so I tried to raise the clocks to about 800 and 900, lower than what overdrive should put it, with the atitool, and whenever i hit 'set clocks' it jumps right back down to the 507 and 514. ok i went into options and checked the auto apply after moving slider button, and now i cant even move the slider, it refuses. its like stuck at pro speeds somehow. I dont know. so I uncheck the box restore everything to default and exit atitool. Now CCC overdrive is blank, it has an error and doesnt show up when i click on it?? oh and i have the newest CCC now

[DaMulta]

The card is overclocking. They made the cards this way so your not eating all the juice that you would eat while gaming.


ATi tool you should be able to turn off 3d/app. But because you have the 1GB you have to flash higher voltage via dos. Then set your 3d clocks and open up what you want to run oced.

[mackdaddy2887]

hmmm... explain that a little more... detailed.. for noobs... lol :)

[Wile E]

Uninstall your current drivers, then go here: http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=vista32/common-vista32 and download the newest ones. Install them. See if they change the behavior at all.

[mackdaddy2887]

updated drivers and newest CCC.. have rivatuner monitoring, and atitool 3dapp cube running yet no change. it refuses to budge from the 507 and 514

[Wile E]

updated drivers and newest CCC.. have rivatuner monitoring, and atitool 3dapp cube running yet no change. it refuses to budge from the 507 and 514
Do you have ATI tool set to enable 3d mode on launch?

[AsRock]

Ok so I tried to raise the clocks to about 800 and 900, lower than what overdrive should put it, with the atitool, and whenever i hit 'set clocks' it jumps right back down to the 507 and 514.

Click ATI Tool Settings ( Bottom right )
Select Overclocking Look at the bottom the clocks you are trying to set are to high for the clock safety and you will have to adjust these as needed.

For setting ATI tools 3D detection goto settings \ then select 3D Detection of the drop down menu at the top.

Add a sound file to that you can hear so you know if it's changing or not..

[mackdaddy2887]

ok the safty range settings or w/e are not checked. I Dont have a .wav file to play, so I told it to turn on Quicktime when 3d is enabled. I opened the cube and alas, no quicktime. LOL. Why does it, when i enable apply automaticly when move slider, It refuses to let me move the slider, its like it refuses to overclock.

Oh and I dl Rivatuner and turned on the monitoring, played Hellgatelondon, and came back. THe gpu and mem didnt budge at all during that interval. it was a straight line all the way across the monitor. Im going to try to get some Screenshots up in a bit, headed back to school.

[Random Murderer]

sounds to me like a corrupt/bad BIOS. have you considered reflashing it?

[mackdaddy2887]

no i havent, i guess ill give that a try right now.

.. heading to bios librairy!

[mackdaddy2887]

well ok ive re-flashed it, uninstalled and reinstalled new drivers. turned on rivatuner monitoring, played HG:L for awhile, came back and the graph was a straight line all the way across, no change in core or mem speeds.

[Wile E]

I just saw a post like this the other day. Apparently some people with flashed cards were having the same issues. It was the driver version making the difference. I think they said 7.11+ did it. There are also some fixes to run the newer drivers. I'll look around to see if I can find the post(s).

[Wile E]

Found the post.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=616816&postcount=166

[mackdaddy2887]

thanks man, ill take a look at it.

[mackdaddy2887]

ok I got the line of txt I need to add. The only thing I'm wondering is if there will be any problems with the fact im running vista ult 32bit and they are using XP

Plus I cant find the ini file, its in a different place.

HKR,, PP_ForceReportOverdrive4, %REG_DWORD%, 1

[Frogger]

nice find Wile E :toast:

[Frogger]

looking for the inf file on my vista rig now
c:/ati/support/7.12 vista64..32/driver/packages/drivers/display/LH6A_inf/ CH_55818

[Frogger]

vista 64 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2710217&postcount=254

[mackdaddy2887]

cool, im running vista 32 though? Any difference?

[Frogger]

the link above is for the 8.1 CH_xxxx file have a look at in and compare to the 32 bit file .....the added line will prob be the same in that kind of file

[mackdaddy2887]

I dont know much about the ini files and all this mess.. im more of a basic user.. lol. They look similar there are some differences, but if i add this line to my ini file, and it doesnt work, whats the worst case senario?

edit: ok I added the file, and made a back up of the original. Nothing is different? Still no higher speeds on 3d apps. Do I need to reinstall CCC now that I changed the file?

[Frogger]

I dont know much about the ini files and all this mess.. im more of a basic user.. lol. They look similar there are some differences, but if i add this line to my ini file, and it doesnt work, whats the worst case senario?

edit: ok I added the file, and made a back up of the original. Nothing is different? Still no higher speeds on 3d apps. Do I need to reinstall CCC now that I changed the file?

Make a copy for the file and place it in a folder that you will remember ....edit the ini file in your support ..dir/.file/ & save it ....see what happens....in the worst case you can DEL the file and replace it with the copy ....if all else fails you can unlaod the drive CCleaner the drive and do a fresh install :D

[Frogger]

^^^ did you do a restart

[mackdaddy2887]

Ok I copied the file to a different location and added the line of txt

HKR,, PP_ForceReportOverdrive4, %REG_DWORD%, 1

and saved it back into the support/driver/packages/display/driver .... or w/e and replaced it with the new one. Nothing. Do i need to reinstall 8.1 ccc? or did it just not work?

edit: I have riva tuner monitoring my core and mem speeds, I play a game for a couple minutes, shut it off and look at the monitor graph... still no change.


edit: edit: system reboot? nope.. good idea... lol :)

[Frogger]

???what was the file name ....IE CH_57725... that you edited and did you put the edit in the R600 section

[mackdaddy2887]

the file name was cl_57724 and yes I did put it into the r600 section. about to do a reboot.. BRB

[Frogger]

try using this tool to force 3D clocks
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/536/AMD_GPU_Clock_Tool_v0.7.html
shut down atiTool leave riva monitor running .. set the 3d clks with the amd tool and set up the amd tool to record the clks/temps to a file that you can read/post later .... have to go out on a service call ....prob be 3or4 hours or more will check back tommorrow

[mackdaddy2887]

hmm no good on reboot. Going to try reinstalling CCC with the line added. and the AMD tool will not force clocks!

[yogurt_21]

see this is why I changed my biso to not have 2d clocks lol, if you're brave enough i can link you the tool.

[mackdaddy2887]

heck yeah, get rid of the low clock speeds stay at upper speeds, no reason to go to 2d speeds

[mackdaddy2887]

Ok I reinstalled CCC with the driver reinstalling as well. Afterwards I hit 'view log' and this is what it gave me. Since my 2900xt was flashed to an xt from a pro, do you think thats why its not working? I added the appropriate line of txt to the r600, but since its actually the rd580 or w/e.. maybe?



"Catalyst® Install Manager
Installation Report
01/23/08 03:36:01


Hardware information
Name ATI Radeon Graphics Processor
Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc
Device ID 0x9400
Vendor ID 0x1002
Class Code 0x030000
Revision ID 0x00
Subsystem ID 0x2552
Subsystem vendor ID 0x1002
Other hardware

Existing packagesCatalyst Control Center
ATI Catalyst Install Manager
ATI Display Driver
ATI T200 Unified AVStream Driver
South Bridge Filter Driver
Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable
Catalyst Registration

Packages for install
ATI Display DriverFinal Status:
Version of Item: 8.451.0.0000
Size: 90 Mbytes
ATI T200 Unified AVStream DriverFinal Status: Success
Version of Item: 6.14.10.1086
Size: 10 Mbytes
South Bridge Filter DriverFinal Status: Success
Version of Item: 1.00.0000.1
Size: 1 Mbytes


Other detected devices
RD580
Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc
Device ID 0x5952
Vendor ID 0x1002
Class Code 0x060000
Revision ID 0x00
Subsystem ID 0x5952
Subsystem vendor ID 0x1002

Azalia (R600)
Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc
Device ID 0xaa00
Vendor ID 0x1002
Class Code 0x040300
Revision ID 0x00
Subsystem ID 0xaa00
Subsystem vendor ID 0x1002

ATI Integrated SATA Support
Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc
Device ID 0x4380
Vendor ID 0x1002
Class Code 0x01018a
Revision ID 0x00
Subsystem ID 0x81ef
Subsystem vendor ID 0x1043

ATI Integrated SMBus Support
Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc
Device ID 0x4385
Vendor ID 0x1002
Class Code 0x0c0500
Revision ID 0x13
Subsystem ID 0x4385
Subsystem vendor ID 0x1043

ATI Integrated SATA Support
Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc
Device ID 0x438c
Vendor ID 0x1002
Class Code 0x01018f
Revision ID 0x00
Subsystem ID 0x438c
Subsystem vendor ID 0x1002

ATI Integrated Azalia Support
Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc
Device ID 0x4383
Vendor ID 0x1002
Class Code 0x040300
Revision ID 0x00
Subsystem ID 0x4383
Subsystem vendor ID 0x1002 "




edit: ok i looked at gen. info, found my driver in registry, and it said r600 so nvm on all this. Im never going to figure this out!

[mackdaddy2887]

Ok Check out the Screen shot.
Your notice GPU-Z is incorrect on the speeds, Look at the Monitoring done by riva tuner, that was done over a period of about an hour with me doing some gaming. Not a budge. Also on Top left is the driver file, correctly put is the added line of txt.


edit: BTW im running Vista Ultimate x86 (32bit) My HD2900xt was flashed from pro. sapphire 1gig 512ddr4 I believe

[Frogger]

now you'v got me thinking :) that it's the game not telling the card to run at 3D mode :eek:
to that end I ran Atitool monitor and started hellgate played for 2+ min shut down check Tool = NO clk change ...so I started Bioshock = clk change to 3D mode [with rig in specs only diff is 64bit op sys]
?? have you tried any other game besides hellgate ???

[mackdaddy2887]

No I havent, I turned on the Atitool 3d cube? It didnt do it either. In class so ill be back in about 2 hrs and Ill try a different game and let you know

[Frogger]

^^ .27b3 won't/can't auto switch clocks also .. W1zz is too busy too fix [prob in next beta]...got ro run out and fix a server.... will check later

[mackdaddy2887]

nice to know. Ill try running A different game when I get home. I actually think I lost all my game discs, so ill try Downloading a free game and playing it or something.

[DaMulta]

Ok Check out the Screen shot.
Your notice GPU-Z is incorrect on the speeds, Look at the Monitoring done by riva tuner, that was done over a period of about an hour with me doing some gaming. Not a budge. Also on Top left is the driver file, correctly put is the added line of txt.


edit: BTW im running Vista Ultimate x86 (32bit) My HD2900xt was flashed from pro. sapphire 1gig 512ddr4 I believe

There is a setting that you have to either turn on or off I forget to make it work. I don't have that installed at the moment.

[mackdaddy2887]

Ok the line of txt did work. MY 3d Clocks kicked in when running 3dmark 06! So I'm assuming its Hellgate that isnt enabling my 3d clocks.

Speaking of 3dMArk 06, here is a screenie, what can I do to increase my Score?

see my riva monitor, and my cpu-z as well.

[Frogger]

:toast: :pimp: "lost all my game disks" :laugh: ;) OK gald to see it's working right :)

[Wile E]

Ok the line of txt did work. MY 3d Clocks kicked in when running 3dmark 06! So I'm assuming its Hellgate that isnt enabling my 3d clocks.

Speaking of 3dMArk 06, here is a screenie, what can I do to increase my Score?

see my riva monitor, and my cpu-z as well.
I had to run over 3.4GHz on my 6000+ to break 11k with my 2900 core set the same as yours. Try to extract the max out of your card's core, and focus less on your card's ram. The ram speed doesn't have nearly the effect that core speed does. What's your card's vgpu set at? 1.3 or 1.35V should be relatively easy.

Probably wouldn't hurt to try to get more out of your cpu as well. On water, 1.55-1.6v is a cakewalk for bench runs on the 6000+. I wouldn't run it that way 24/7 tho.

[mackdaddy2887]

hmm how do you change/ set your vgpu? Ill try to increase my core and get more speed. I had my cpu set up to 3.5 at 250fsb and it ran good, I definetly broke 11. Ill see if I cant break 12. Going to fool around with my cpu and gpu. What all should I do to pump out as much as I can? What about my mem timings? whats better 4-4-4 or 5-5-5? see system specs about my mem.

[mackdaddy2887]

ok so ive been posting in the Hellgate forums about not switching to 3d speeds, and they pretty much blew me off and said it isnt because of them. when if you look at my screen, it did infact switch to 3d speeds when 3dmark06 was running.

Is there a way I can force my system to switch to 3dspeeds? So when I play Hellgate im getting the performance im supposed to?

[Frogger]

use riva tuner to set you gpu speeds ..you can use atitool to set your vgpu look in the vid card section for the thread

[Frogger]

this one http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=31121&highlight=2900+volts

[mackdaddy2887]

i know ive used riva tuner to set my speeds, but They dont switch to them upon turning on the game, ive tried to force them, click on the apply speeds button and it will not move the slider at all.