3850 AGP OC'ing/Vmods/experiences/suggestions/where to buy

[Morgoth]

when i got my ram at 220 or higher my clock becomes unstable i try it again today
edite
i tryd it
i had my ram 2,70volt to 2,874 at 480mhz and crashed
i also tryd at 430mhz and crashed
btw my maxium ram voltage is 2,875

[intel igent]

Morgoth you cant just put your RAM at 230 and expect it to work

you still never gave the info off of your RAM

have you tried 2 stix?

i really think you have a lot left in your sys but......

:toast:

[Scrizz]

yes i am still using 8.4
my score is 5125 3dmark06

http://service.futuremark.com/home.action;jsessionid=2D5AE84B8B9735AC7748432BFB2 C318F

I scored higher than that with my x1950gt 256 AGP :shadedshu
teh cpu is actually a E4400 but for some reason it sees it as a E6700 (BSEL mod?)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=2847739

[InnocentCriminal]

What's the BSEL mod? Where BIOS' programs and the a-like see the OC'd CPU as it's faster sibling?

[Scrizz]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bsel+mod&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f

[intel igent]

I scored higher than that with my x1950gt 256 AGP :shadedshu
teh cpu is actually a E4400 but for some reason it sees it as a E6700 (BSEL mod?)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=2847739

what was the rest of your sys specs for that? specifically mobo + RAM

the newer CPU's make a difference as well

:toast:

[Scrizz]

mobo was a Giga-byte GA-8I865GME-775-RH (rev. 6.6) (http://www.giga-byte.com/Support/Motherboard/BIOS_Model.aspx?ProductID=2562)
ram was regular old pc3200 2x 512MB @stock 3-3-3-8

[Morgoth]

my new heatsink
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1952/p3260243ei1.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6325/p3260241zc8.jpg

temps are 52-53c with artic silver 5 as tim
but i think i need to tighter it more first time i tryd it it was 64c :S now 52:)

[Scrizz]

you are being severely bottlenecked by that cpu....

[Morgoth]

i know when i sold my x1950pro i'm gona look for a higher stock clock p4 3,4ghz or higher

[Scrizz]

if I still had my Giga-byte GA-8I865GME-775-RH (rev. 6.6) (http://www.giga-byte.com/Support/Motherboard/BIOS_Model.aspx?ProductID=2562)

I'd send it to you for free, so you can get a cheap core 2....

[Morgoth]

no thx

[Morgoth]

46c now :D

[intel igent]

nice Morgoth!

what cooler is that? Hr-03?

its your RAM thats crippling you, youre not even running it at stock 400mhz :banghead: and its at 2t not 1t ;)

quit being a bumhed and tell me what it says on your RAM ;)

:toast:

[Morgoth]

i sheck tomorow i promiss
yes its hr-03 rev a

[InnocentCriminal]

I get paid Monday!

^^

I'll see if I can afford a Powercolour 3850.

[intel igent]

I get paid Monday!



cant you take an advance? :p

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

Unfortunately I can't afford to get one this month even though I could. I'm trying to source a fairly decent ATX 939 mobo with AGP for cheap so that I can start using my lovely new Lian Li chassis and sell one of my Shuttles.

[driver66]

cant you take an advance? :p

:toast:

Bring back the coke kitty :cry:

Sorry for the threadjack :D

[intel igent]

Bring back the coke kitty :cry:


was kinda hoping i could get this made to a sticky so im trying to be "nice" , weve got over 200+ posts and over 3,000 views so.........

i asked a certain MOD what the requirements are but never got a response :ohwell: must not like me :confused:

coke kitty is still around ;) hes just "resting" :p

@ innocentcriminal : just buy the card and sell your shuttle/s and grab a better mobo after, you might miss out ;)

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

I don't think my girlfriend will be happy with me if I do spend £150 when we're meant to be saving for a house.

[Morgoth]

@ intel igent
i sheck my ram it says
TRUMP
DDR400 - 1gb
LO.dimm

[intel igent]

@ intel igent
i sheck my ram it says
TRUMP
DDR400 - 1gb
LO.dimm

not the sticker the actual chips ;)

@ innocent you dont need a house :rolleyes: theyre overrated :p J/K

id still try to get the GFX vs the mobo, its easier to find the mobo. IMHO

:toast:

[Morgoth]

ok im stuck at GPU 837mhz Ram 927mhz
anny one here got higher clocks?

[repsol23]

ok im stuck at GPU 837mhz Ram 927mhz
anny one here got higher clocks?

I have been able to run 850 core for no more than 5 minutes before I start to see artifacts in ati tool. At 837 I did a run for nearly 45 minutes before it detected an error and 810 ran for nearly 3 hours with no errors. My memory can run all the way up to 1035 with no errors, it maxed at the next increment up from this (cannot remember the exact value) but I run it all the time at 1026. All this with my temps never getting above 22C!!

On a side note, it looks like newegg is already out of the HIS agp version, didn't take too long for this and the Powercolor cards to disappear from there.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161226

[intel igent]

pencil mod time guys?

have a look at the first post

thnx for the link repsol23

:toast:

[MindKrypted]

Hi guys,

I wonder if any of you had the chance to get an unlocked bios version of the Sapphire 3850 agp on the net ?

I did some search recently and it seems nobody shared it... if it exist at all... :confused:
Pci express is available, but i cant flash that thing on the card.. and i'm no expert into hex-editing the file :shadedshu

I'm looking for it cause, it seems my video card is limited by something, i cant go farther than
760mhz stable, 770mhz unstable and 777mhz system reboot... (max 47 celcius on load)

I did the bios volt mod @ 1.333 & the r1222 pencil mod without any luck going farther... :banghead:

i'm ready to share my bios file, just send me a pm ;)

[intel igent]

bienvenue a TPU!

have you tried this? http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=54776

did you measure your Volts before and after the mod to make shure it was effective? IIRC stock Volts is 1.35

you could also try to PM RandomMrderer and see if he can be of some assistance

:toast:

[MindKrypted]

Hi Intel,

thanks for your response, for the multimeter part, no i could'nt check the voltage, i dont have one :cry: ..for the bios editing yes i did use it & set my voltage to 1.333 on 3d high.

Still, after i posted my message i tried other settings, i raise the clock in the bios to 760/975, rebooted, loaded atitool, i was able to get 777 without restart/freeze.. 783 vpurecover started, lost 3d...
After.. raised voltage to 1.4 in bios, able to go up to 796mhz on core, still vpurecover came up!
but.. i'm now stable @ 783mhz... :rockout: ... never had artifact.. i guess the card can be pushed farther :p

>> Morgoth, do you think you can share your bios with us :D ?

[Morgoth]

sure

[Morgoth]

done
now hit that *:)thanks* buton

[Morgoth]

hey guys lets do a atitray tool benchmark for hd3850agp only
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2634/naamloos333ei2.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=naamloos333ei2.jpg)

[MindKrypted]

Hihi, gonna try that bios as soon as i can and give feedback about it :roll:

Thanks Morgoth :respect:

[repsol23]

Looks like newegg got the Powercolor 3850 agp back in stock today!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131090&Tpk=ag3850

[MindKrypted]

I tried your sapphire bios Morgoth, unfortunately i'm stocked with the same limitation. :banghead:
For now, it is stable @ 776mhz core & 1044mhz mem. @ 1.4v 3d high

I did the ati tray tool benchmark, here's my result:

catalyst a.i. @ -high ver. 8.3
>>>
stock 669/829 >> 28984.08
oc 783/1044 >> 35508.34
oc 776/1044 >> 36314.56 .. :wtf:

catalyst a.i. @ -off ver. 8.3
>>>
oc 776/1044 >> 36447.40 .. no big difference



did lots of 3dmark06 runs on Gt2 Firefly Forest (3 time to get an average)
cpu @ 3700mhz / mem timing 2.5-3-2-5 (if cpu is clocked @ 3200 got 2-3fps less)
1280x1024 @ 24.949fps
1920x1200 @ 24.612fps
1920x1200 4x aa @ 19.38fps
this card is really powerfull for an agp one.. :twitch:


/cheer

[InnocentCriminal]

OK, now, if I get a 3850 it will mean I have to get a 'new' motherboard, and PSU, maybe even some RAM.

Now let's add that up....

Powercolor 3850 - eBuyer (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/139622) - cheapest I've found - freakin' bargin! = £130

ECS Elite nForce 3 cheapo mobo - £40 - if I can knock the guy down to £30

Corsair HX620 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=446787) - This will go in my Nehalem set up once I've got it - £85.41

Now after using my super maths skills I'll add these up and round 'em off... I'm looking at spending at nearly £260 just so I can buy an AGP card - doesn't really make financial sense. However, if I do do this, I'll be able to hand my X1950 Pro down to my old man's rig, as with my SN95G5 and use my A64 3200+ and have a relatively decent back up gaming machine.

That's one Pro to go against the con. An other one is, if I do that I'll be able to build up a relatively decent machine for my girlfriend's best friends. They've been wanting a computer for ages and I could easily give them my Dad' current set up (which is my old SN45G)...

So all I'd have to do is source either some decent RAM for myself and hand my 2GB set down to my Dad. Then use his 1GB set in the SN45G along with a Mobile AthlonXP (didn't think I'd be hi-jackin' the thread with an AthlonXP) a 80GB HDD, and a half height Radeon 9200 - plus if they're nice enough to actually buy it off me, I might be able to get £50 or something off 'em. I highly doubt it though.

So... with the intent of keeping my rig, which I'll watercool and OC so it lasts me a few more years, should I go to that expensive, whilst making another couple happy with giving them a machine they've longed for? Hmmm.....

Sorry for the hi-jack, it's sorter on topic considering it's based around me buying a 3850.

;)

Your thoughts and opinions if you were in my position, if you please...

[intel igent]

@ innocentcriminal : isnt it nice how a simple GFX update can make 3 people PC happy ;)

@ MindKrypted : how do you know exactly what voltage youve achieved without a multimeter? you can get them at canadian tire for like $10.

are you upping the voltage in the bios?

:toast:

[Morgoth]

hmmm i got my core at 1,254 volt and i can clock higher :/

[lemonadesoda]

I'm not so sure ATI Tray Tools "bench!" is the best thing to look at. Why? I score 20156.62 with just an X800SE.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080329/Clipboard01.png

[intel igent]

i highly doubt that score lemonade :rolleyes:

updated first post!

:toast:

[Morgoth]

I'm not so sure ATI Tray Tools "bench!" is the best thing to look at. Why? I score 20156.62 with just an X800SE.

http://img.techpowerup.org/080329/Clipboard01.png

not sure how thats possible
and i said hd3850 agp only

[MindKrypted]

>> intel igent
@ MindKrypted : how do you know exactly what voltage youve achieved without a multimeter? you can get them at canadian tire for like $10.

you're right, i should get one.. when i said 1.4v, well, that's the entry that i have in the video card bios, so it may be wrong...

/cheer

[Widjaja]

InnocentCriminal and I both had our benchmarks go through the roof when we used Cat 7.12 eith our X1950pros so the benchmark score is entirely possible but yes it's incorrect.

[intel igent]

it is HIGHLY reccomended that you check/confirm voltage adjustments (either via BIOS or pencil mod) using a Digital Multi Meter. if you dont own one you can get them fairly cheap at your local hardware store or the like. you can find the proper measure points in the pencil mod guide.

if doing BIOS mod or pencil mod please follow the guides VERY closely

also remember that OC's vary and are different from board to board

:toast:

[Morgoth]

:) intel hows ur setup gowing havent heard anny thing abouth it

[intel igent]

:) intel hows ur setup gowing havent heard anny thing abouth it

should have my petra's order by tomorrow, im going to give my case a quick re-spray today and i should have it all re-assembled by mid week.

then its off to my PC guy cuz i crashed my HDD's while doing a defrag :nutkick: hope i can save the drives :(

so hopefully by next weekend ill be back to fragging glory :rockout: as this crappy lappy is really starting to get to me :banghead:

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

InnocentCriminal and I both had our benchmarks go through the roof when we used Cat 7.12 eith our X1950pros so the benchmark score is entirely possible but yes it's incorrect.

Wha? I don't ever remember doing that benchmark. Hmmm.....

[intel igent]

MindKrypted : any luck with the BIOS mods?

:toast:

[Spathi]

when i got my ram at 220 or higher my clock becomes unstable i try it again today
edite
i tryd it
i had my ram 2,70volt to 2,874 at 480mhz and crashed
i also tryd at 430mhz and crashed
btw my maxium ram voltage is 2,875

Not much point in pushing it so hard, 5000 is enough to tide us over till next year or l8r. :p
and memory speed does not seem to make much difference, ye'ol'P4 is pretty close to maxed out past 3200

http://newbling.net/BenchmarkImages/HD3850/3DMarkChart.jpg

[15th Warlock]

Unfortunately this card is heavily constrained by the old netburst architecture... bottleneck sounds like an understatement.. really :ohwell:

Haven't had a chance to pencil mod my card yet unfortunately, last week one doctor called in in my office and I had to work all week long, not gonna have a day off till wednesday... I ordered a voltmeter and it should arrive tomorrow hopefully, will let you guys know about my results once I have 'em

[Spathi]

Why does everyone go down the glass half empty path...

I can play all my games with no slowdowns, that is all that matters to me. The fact that with this card a 2007 system is only twice as fast as this 2002 system speaks volumes. I doubt the extra CPU power adds up to much benefit either...faster decoding?, vista?, crysis full?.. thats all I can think of and those three things hold little of my interest... maybe next year something will come along.

[15th Warlock]

Why does everyone go down the glass half empty path...

I can play all my games with no slowdowns, that is all that matters to me. The fact that with this card a 2007 system is only twice as fast as this 2002 system speaks volumes. I doubt the extra CPU power adds up to much benefit either...faster decoding?, vista?, crysis full?.. thats all I can think of and those three things hold little of my interest... maybe next year something will come along.

Dude, trust me, I'm was on the same boat, when I originally bought this card I had an old P4 with 2GBs of DDR400, but then my old mobo died on me...

Thing is I had to get a new mobo, ram and proc, and essentially upgrade around this card, but in the end, it was worth it, the difference is breathtaking.

I give you this, the two games I could test on my old system before it died (Oblvion and Crysis) ran relatively smooth with this card, but the fact is, this card will be severely held back by old P4 systems; then again, if it ain't broken, don't fix it; in my case, unfortunately my system broke so I had to upgrade anyways... :ohwell:

[Spathi]

k, btw I almost got that Q6600 so it's a nice CPU you got Warlock, mega OC :) . This 3850 AGP card sort of came at a lucky time I suppose, the chart was just to give ppl with 3GHz P4's or greater the idea they may actually get away with another year or two if their board is in good nick.

[tkpenalty]

Okay I see no point in a HD3850 if its so bottlenecked... Even the X1950PRO is bottlenecked by something like a Pentium D...

[InnocentCriminal]

Haven't had a chance to pencil mod my card yet unfortunately, last week one doctor called in in my office and I had to work all week long, not gonna have a day off till wednesday... I ordered a voltmeter and it should arrive tomorrow hopefully, will let you guys know about my results once I have 'em

Unlucky dude, still it's better to be busy with work than not to have any work at all. ;)

Keep us informed, I look forward to hearing about your escapades in pencil modding. I'm a bit reluctant to do so with mine, maybe if the benefits completely out way the cons, then maybe I'll give it a shot in the mouth once my new mobo & PSU arrive.

[Spathi]

Okay I see no point in a HD3850 if its so bottlenecked... Even the X1950PRO is bottlenecked by something like a Pentium D...

I see no point in comments like 'I see no point'. In terms of 3DMark06's it is 20% faster than a X1950PRO on our old systems and 70% faster than a GF6800. It lets us play every game and get a beast of a PC l8r, thus postponing lots of reinstalls/driver hunts etc etc.

That is 3 or 4 points

[Widjaja]

Okay I see no point in a HD3850 if its so bottlenecked... Even the X1950PRO is bottlenecked by something like a Pentium D...

At the end of the day it does mean the system will have higher fps even though there is such a big bottle neck when it comes down to benchmarks.

So if you look at it in real world performance, then yes there is a benefit from the card even over a X1950pro AGP with a P4.

[InnocentCriminal]

I'm interested in seeing the different sort of bottlenecks with different CPUs. If I can get some DDR500 I'm going to try so hard to get my CPU back to 2.5/2.6GHz. Hopefully, once I've installed my WC kit it'll be able to maintain that speed or higher.

Fingers crossed!

[Morgoth]

Not much point in pushing it so hard, 5000 is enough to tide us over till next year or l8r. :p
and memory speed does not seem to make much difference, ye'ol'P4 is pretty close to maxed out past 3200

http://newbling.net/BenchmarkImages/HD3850/3DMarkChart.jpg
nice list i do score above 5000 p4 at 4ghz scores 7k

[intel igent]

Okay I see no point in a HD3850 if its so bottlenecked... Even the X1950PRO is bottlenecked by something like a Pentium D...

not eveyone is a benchwhore :rolleyes: have a look at 15thwarlock's benches look right on par to me

it does what it was designed to do, give good frames to older systems

i really hope i get my order today im really starting to get itchy. it shipped out of california on the 25th and i specified 3-5 days so today is the day i hope :o

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

ARRRGH!

I have to see how long I can hold out before buying my 3850. Think I'll order my PSU though as I'll need it.

UPDATE: I just bought the modular 520W Corsair for £69... all I need now is the motherboard and some DDR500 and then my 3850.

^^

[Spathi]

nice list i do score above 5000 p4 at 4ghz scores 7k

What is the CPUID?

In the graph the 3850 is at stock, I am going to add overclocked 3850 results to the graph when I get time, I want to do it properly though as some people have already cooked these cards. btw there is another graph here...
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=256030&page=2
that shows systems above P4

If I took my Northwood to 4 with it's current cooling it would melt, lol. The kink in the graph is because the ram goes up in latency (from 2,2,2,6 to 2.5,3,3,7). It boots at 3.8 on air but I had no guts to load it up, it is ES and it does not seem to get unstable but from what I have seen so far I am guessing that parts of it would start turning off at high OC without water cooling.

[KainXS]

I have seen the agp model get tome good furmark scores, my pcie version gets about 3300 at 800/1000 and I have seen the agp models perform at about 3100 marks at similar clocks, thats not bad at all

[intel igent]

thnx for the graphs spathi! :rockout:

what all proggies/drivers are you using?

are you using the 8pin molex adapter or straight 6pin from PSU?

seems like these score between 5k-6k on a p4 not bad @ all

cant wait for my order to get here so i can throw my rig back together, im tired of staring at this card.

:toast:

[Spathi]

atm I am using 8.3.. too lazy to edit 8.4 and put it on

I am running just the drivers (i.e. no CCC) and disabled both the ATI services as well.

Using a PCIe power connector from the ps

Overclocked mildly last week to 729 with the default BIOS edited in "RBE - Radeon BIOS editor". Will probably always install with CCC when I stop playing, sort of hoping someone works out how to unlock the BIOS so it runs with CCC > 730. Then I am going to reseat the heatsink with Arctic silver and clock it to 810 or maybe lower. 810 was 69*C loaded on a very hot day when I tested which I am guessing is just too high. There is no point in overclocking the memory as it does not achieve much at all and is risky because the memory is passively cooled (i did bring the memory up to a multi of 27 though). The PowerColor's cooler blows over the harddisks, so I also removed the front fan on my PC and now only have a top thermal case fan to extract heat, it is nice and quiet without the front fan although slightly hotter.

Also, waiting in hope the Vista 3D ATI performance comes up to XP's so I can install it and leave XP.

[InnocentCriminal]

Interesting stuff.

Well, I've managed to source a new mobo from another TPU member, just sorting out payment details when he's back in the UK. Managed to bag MKmod's DDR600 for a fantastic price so I'm hoping that'll be with me very soon. (Means I can have a bash at OC'ing my old school AthlonXP - until I get my new mobo).

Then all I have to do is what for my girlfriend to buy me the 3850 for my Birthday... ROLL ON MAY! Might try and convince her to buy it slightly early for me.

^^

In the mean time, I'll download 3DMark05 and 06 and see what scores I get with my current set up. Currently running with my CPU at 2.31GHz. I've never been able to push my X1950 Pro, always locks up. :(

[intel igent]

coming along innocent!

you and me both are doin the waiting game thing :banghead: hopefully we get our stuff sooner than later :rockout:

@ spathi : you said youve seen a few of these cards fry already? got any links?

updated first post


:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

Well, my wonderful GF said she'd be willing to buy it for me early as I won't shuddup about the thing, just waiting for the motherboard and RAM to arrive.

I benched my Shuttle/X1950 Pro last night in 3DMark03 with the only OC being the CPU at 2.3GHz from 2GHz stock.

I got 15189 @ default settings. Last time I tried to OC my X1950 Pro it crapped out and hard-locked in ATiTool and CCC. However, I've disabled the service for Overdrive now so I'll either try ATiTool again or I just won't bother.... hmmmm!

[intel igent]

nice G/F you have , treat her well ;)

im still waiting on my order to arrive as well :cry:

youre switching PSU's when you go to your lian-li?

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

nice G/F you have , treat her well ;)

The best, and I do... :D

im still waiting on my order to arrive as well :cry:

How long ago did you order it?

youre switching PSU's when you go to your lian-li?

:toast:

I have too, as I don't have a full ATX PSU, just my Shuttle 240W which I'll need to pass on. I'm killing two birds with one stone (hate that saying) as I'll be able to use the Corsair with my Nehalem based rig once the prices have dropped et al.

[lemonadesoda]

Yes, I know this is a 3850 AGP "only" thread, but I thought I would add some more info regarding bench! Here is my result on a Q6600 @2.70 and a RADEON 9700
http://img.techpowerup.org/080404/Clipboard01.png

I've got a TOP score on a 9700. This is clearly bonkers. The bench! utility isnt very good. Its not working the way we expect. Something is going wrong. Either its buggy, or the CPU is having a major influence on the results, and a Q6600 is able to make an OLD card like the 9700 outperform a X1900XTX.

(I'm using ATI Try Tools v1.3.6.1042)

[InnocentCriminal]

Yeah, something is really incorrect there. I suggest we use another benchmark.

I'll be using 3DMark03 through to 06 -then real world performance in these games...

Call of Duty 4 - v1.5
Dawn of War: Dark Crusade - most recent version.
Unreal Tournament 3 - v1.2
Company of Heroes - v2.1.0.2

Then if I can be arsed...

HL2: EP2
CS: Source (for shits & giggles)

If anyone would any other games shout 'em out and I'll see if I have them.

Obviously, I'll be comparing my X1950 Pro to the 3850 at stock speeds. Both in my Shuttle with a clean install and then again in once I've got my ASUS A8V.

Only OC will be on my CPU. Which is currently at 2.3GHz.

[intel igent]

How long ago did you order it?


my order left san francisco on the 25th after that i dont know where it is :banghead: i specified rush delivery, so the mailman is taking his time :nutkick:

:toast:

[Morgoth]

i got my watercooling finaly :D

[intel igent]

i got my watercooling finaly :D

nice!

what all did ya get?

[InnocentCriminal]

my order left san francisco on the 25th after that i dont know where it is :banghead: i specified rush delivery, so the mailman is taking his time :nutkick:

:toast:


That's crap! I'd be kickin' up a right fuss. Overclocker.co.uk did this to me with my monitor. £315 for the screen and just under £10 for the next day delivery - took 3 fucking weeks.

So when I contacted them about being refunded, they banned my e-mail address and blocked me from the forums.

Grade A Penisface!

[intel igent]

That's crap! I'd be kickin' up a right fuss. Overclocker.co.uk did this to me with my monitor. £315 for the screen and just under £10 for the next day delivery - took 3 fucking weeks.

So when I contacted them about being refunded, they banned my e-mail address and blocked me from the forums.

Grade A Penisface!

thats my luck :rolleyes:

not much the supplier can do, maybe refund me my express shipping :confused:

i always heard there were problems with USPS :nutkick:

[intel igent]

sry for the dbl post :o

well got my order yesterday so im scrambling to get my rig back together and ive come to a point..............

suggestions for mounting maze5 GPU to my card :

with back plate or without?

the bridge chip gets in the way of the backplate and id have to mod the backplate to clear the bridge chip or mount the block without the plate?

if i mod the plate it will be permanent (a new plate/mount kit is like $6)

what do you think?

[InnocentCriminal]

I've got my 2GB DDR500 set through, got my rig stable at 2.38GHz from 2.35GHz which I had with my DDR400. ^^

Managed to get 5006 in 3DMark06 with my X1950 @ stock speeds. I got 4900 at 2.32GHz so I'm rather pleased.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7622/50063dmark06kt2.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=50063dmark06kt2.jpg)

UPDATE:LOL!

I got 5020 just by pushing it up 2MHz - freaking awesome! I'll upload the image tonight as I've got to go to work now.

[intel igent]

@ innocentcriminal : nice! looks like that shuttle board of yours is holding ya back, bet youll see some nice clocks out of her when ya get your new board ;) have you ordered the 3850?

@ morgoth : what was your 3d06 score using 1950?

im getting closer :rolleyes: almost done with the wire management :nutkick: thats what is taking the most time for me ATM

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

@ innocentcriminal : nice! looks like that shuttle board of yours is holding ya back, bet youll see some nice clocks out of her when ya get your new board ;) have you ordered the 3850?

Yeah, I hope I can beat 2.52GHz which was my best with my friends Mushkin Redline set. I should have my motherboard today so if I'm awake enough after work I'll start on it. Looking forward to seeing if I can hit 3GHz... should be fun.

MUHAHAHAHHAHA!

As for the 3850 - I'm looking at the HIS IceQ 3 - I'll get my GF to pay for most of it and then pay the rest as it's not fair getting her to pay for it all. She can if she wants, but a £160+ is a bit too much to spend on a bugger like me. Still, I push her buttons so she might. :D

im getting closer :rolleyes: almost done with the wire management :nutkick: thats what is taking the most time for me ATM

Good man! Wire management for me is one of the most important processes. I'm going to spending a lot of time on mine making sure it's as neat as it can be. I don't have a removable motherboard tray so it might be a bit more difficult than I previously envisioned.

Not to worry, that's all the fun right?

:rockout:

[intel igent]

As for the 3850 - I'm looking at the HIS IceQ 3 - I'll get my GF to pay for most of it and then pay the rest as it's not fair getting her to pay for it all. She can if she wants, but a £160+ is a bit too much to spend on a bugger like me. Still, I push her buttons so she might. :D


Good man! Wire management for me is one of the most important processes. I'm going to spending a lot of time on mine making sure it's as neat as it can be. I don't have a removable motherboard tray so it might be a bit more difficult than I previously envisioned.

Not to worry, that's all the fun right?

:rockout:



id still save yourself 50 pounds and get the sapphire - horizontal resistor for shure ;) plus they manufacture cards for ATI. just my $0.02

ATM ive modded my PSU and installed a powerstrip similar to what Mk uses, its a pain to fit a PC with 2HDDs, 2 DVDs, 2 pumps, 2 rads, 2 w/b, lots of 1/2" tubing, 4 CCFLS, 2 inverters, 2 fan controllers and about 6-7 fas in a mid-tower.

YA its FUN :D

:rockout: :toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

Arrrh dude, sounds like you're going all out. :pimp: Freaking apeshit!

[intel igent]

most of it was there from before minus the 1 pump, 1 rad, 1 CCFL kit and 1 fan controller and a couple fans.............

slowly but shurely :o

what else you still waiting for to finish your re-dooo?

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

Just the GFX now, it's still too early for her to buy my present but as I'm building a machine for my GF's best friends for their Birthdays then I'll have to get it early. :D

[intel igent]

so yo received your new mobo?

[Morgoth]

@ morgoth : what was your 3d06 score using 1950?

im getting closer :rolleyes: almost done with the wire management :nutkick: thats what is taking the most time for me ATM

:toast:
4050

i'm stil waiting for my last part for my wc :(

[InnocentCriminal]

so yo received your new mobo?

I did, I got it this morning. So I'll be starting it tonight - might leave the WC cooling until a time when my GF comes to down to stay with me instead of me seeing her.

4050

I'm going to eat that score and your 3850 as well! :roll: MUHAHAHHAHAHA!

I'm only messin' witcha! ;)

D'you guys think the MCE version of the 8.3's will actually make a difference compared to the standard version for Professional?

[Morgoth]

just wait til i get my new p4 cpu i am soo cloos on selling my p4 3.2ghz with Mp locked at 14x !! highest bid 65 euro atm

[InnocentCriminal]

I got an email saying 90 euro this morning if I'm not wrong, must admit it was early and I couldn't be arsed to 'read' it.

[Morgoth]

a friend placed a bid of 70 to make that other high bid higher :P

[InnocentCriminal]

Arrrh, that makes sense.

^^

[intel igent]

@ morgoth : whats going to be your loop?

[Morgoth]

i show you a pic dont laugh!

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7427/p4060248eg1.th.jpg (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4060248eg1.jpg)

i'm stil working on it
that case is my old pentium 4 case that i got 7 years ago :)
i sprayed the panels black
i glue the pipes to the pump with silicion glue

[InnocentCriminal]

I'm at 5052 in 3DMark06 with now GFX OC only my CPU @ 2.48GHz.... MUHUHAHAHAHAHAH!

[MindKrypted]

Been some time since my last post, still i upgraded my computer, got myself a q6600 on asrock 4coredual sata-2.
I feeled that my xeon system was the bottleneck, i was right...

>> before i had 7400-7600points 3dmark06 @ 1280x1024.. & ~6000 @ 1920x1200
>> now i score 11057points 3dmark06 @ 1280x1024 & ~9200points @ 1920x1200

That being said, i bought a multimeter, my r1222 was at 2.2ohms :eek: not really the same number discussed on random murdurer post, he had 1.5ohms at start and finished it at .933ohms

>> http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=48544

With a 9b pencil the best i get is 1.8ohms, i'm missing something about reading the voltage
on the board when running... witch pin is the ground? which pin should i select of the 4 showed off to read my 3d high voltage ?..? (so for now did'nt check my volts :shadedshu)

..something weird is happening too. i cant overclock on the fly anymore in windows.. i selected an option when i install ati tray tools that i suspect desactivated something in
the ati drivers.. :banghead: still, ;) i overclock trought bios, 783gpu/999mem is the
way to go for stability... i guess that my r1222 mod did'nt worked so well..
can do some 3dmark 06 @ 799gpu/999mem but @ the 3rd firefly run ! blue screen !:twitch:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/3k89v/

a+

[InnocentCriminal]

Witch Pin, good name for a band... ;)

I think you meant Which. Witch is the old wart nosed spell casting ugly slags that hate children. Y'know, witchcraft and all that.

Nice improvement on your 3DMark06 score MindKrypted!

[intel igent]

Been some time since my last post, still i upgraded my computer, got myself a q6600 on asrock 4coredual sata-2.
I feeled that my xeon system was the bottleneck, i was right...

>> before i had 7400-7600points 3dmark06 @ 1280x1024.. & ~6000 @ 1920x1200
>> now i score 11057points 3dmark06 @ 1280x1024 & ~9200points @ 1920x1200

That being said, i bought a multimeter, my r1222 was at 2.2ohms :eek: not really the same number discussed on random murdurer post, he had 1.5ohms at start and finished it at .933ohms

>> http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=48544

With a 9b pencil the best i get is 1.8ohms, i'm missing something about reading the voltage
on the board when running... witch pin is the ground? witch pin should i select of the 4 showed off to read my 3d high voltage ?..? (so for now did'nt check my volts :shadedshu)

..something weird is happening too. i cant overclock on the fly anymore in windows.. i selected an option when i install ati tray tools that i suspect desactivated something in
the ati drivers.. :banghead: still, ;) i overclock trought bios, 783gpu/999mem is the
way to go for stability... i guess that my r1222 mod did'nt worked so well..
can do some 3dmark 06 @ 799gpu/999mem but @ the 3rd firefly run ! blue screen !:twitch:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/3k89v/

a+

nice improvement MindKrypted! congratulations on your new hardware :rockout:

i think in RandomMurderer's guide he says its best to use 4b/2b pencil, for ground i dont think it really matters but id go right to the slot plate or w/e (the part you screw to the case) i think it would be best for you to post in that thread to get help within regards to Volt mod as he's the man ;)

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

:nutkick:

I've managed to get my CPU to 2.7GHz whilst keeping my X1950 Pro at stock (whilst using the 8.3 Catalyst, no hot-fix). I'm pretty pleased with it tbh, I've managed to get 5146 in 3DMark06 without even attempting to push my GFX any higher. I tried 2.75GHz last night but I got a BSOD and 3DMark06 crashed even when I moved my CPU's vCore from stock.

I wonder what sort of score I'll be looking at with a stock clocked 3850 - I'm tempted to go for the Sapphire and buy a 3rd party cooler as it may work out cheaper than the HIS IceQ 3.

Either way, I'm only 7 marks away from being 89th in the ATi single card section of the 3DMark06 thread. I hope my card doesn't crap out when I begin to OC the bugger.

intel igent, how's the build coming along?

[Morgoth]

sounds good innocentcriminal :P cant wait for volt moding :D

[InnocentCriminal]

Arrh I won't be volt-modding my card(s). The only time I'd volt mod is if I'd have to. I don't trust the process tbh.

[Widjaja]

:nutkick:

I've managed to get my CPU to 2.7GHz whilst keeping my X1950 Pro at stock (whilst using the 8.3 Catalyst, no hot-fix). I'm pretty pleased with it tbh, I've managed to get 5146 in 3DMark06 without even attempting to push my GFX any higher. I tried 2.75GHz last night but I got a BSOD and 3DMark06 crashed even when I moved my CPU's vCore from stock.

Yeah there isn't much of a bottleneck on the X1950pro with a X2 939skt CPU at 2.7Ghz.

Craigleberry cranked his C2D up to 3.4Ghz and scored somewhere over 5200 with his Sapphire X1950pro at stock.

My CPU bottlenecks my 8800GT a fair bit at 2.6Ghz.
I get 9625 in 06'.

[InnocentCriminal]

I think I'm reaching the limit of my CPU now with stock voltages so I may, for shits & giggles see how far I can get it with increased voltages before I try the X1950 Pro in my full size ATX set up. Should be an interesting comparison if I can get to the same speeds. I'd laugh my ass off (as well as being gutted) if my Shuttle beats my full sized rig.

We shall see... hoping to get into 89th position tonight, all I need is 8 more 3DMarks to get there. ^^

[Widjaja]

@InnocentCrim
I think you maybe able to get to 3Ghz.

My POS cpu can't clock as high as your X2 3800+.
Just look at the voltage I need to get to 2.6Ghz.
I need to have the CPU at 1.4Ghz just to get it to 2.5Ghz.

[InnocentCriminal]

I could loosen my timings a bit, which are currently at 3-3-3-8 2T, I could try 3-4-4-8 2T and keep the HTT at 3x if the increase of voltage doesn't happen. Also, I think my motherboard would be holding me back slightly.

Want to reach my max OC before I try to OC my GFX again. Plus it'll be interesting to test my 3850 in my Shuttle once my GF has bought it for me. ^^

[intel igent]

Nice scores innocentcriminal! I think you'll see some gains if you switch to 1T amd likes 1T and tight timings (as tight as possible)

As for me I forgot it was my friends Bday yesterday so I didn't get it all completed if I feel good ill get it done by tonight

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

As for me I forgot it was my friends Bday yesterday so I didn't get it all completed if I feel good ill get it done by tonight.

Awesome-sauce!

I'll try dropping to 1T but I have a feeling that won't be anywhere near as stable than 2T. I'll try 1T at 2.7GHz if I can't get higher with 2T.

[intel igent]

only way to tell is to try it and run some tests.

1T and tighter timings could yield better performance than 2T loose timings, even @ lower freq

just a thought :confused:

now if i could only get myself of my arse and spend an hour to finish my damn box...........

:toast:

[intel igent]

updated first post with link to new 8.4 hotfix for AGP thnx malware

[Morgoth]

downloading and gona test it in 3dmar06

[intel igent]

downloading and gona test it in 3dmar06

keep us posted morgoth, hows the W/C coming along?

im bleeding mine (takes me a while) and my temp sensors arent working on my hardcano, i'll have to figure that out (hope its just a wire) then its off to check the HDD's tomorrow and hopefully fragging in the evening saturday! :rockout:

:toast:

[65tweet]

Hello all been a while since I done anything worth while to my computer but I have been following this thread with allot of interest. I finally broke down and purchased a Sapphire 3850 AGP from the egg.

Well the good news playing BF2 I get 30+ more FPS average :rockout:

The bad news I can't get this card to work for shit!:banghead::banghead::banghead:
My method of troubleshooting is with BF2. I tinkered with stalker and serious sam2 for a while to see how things work and they seem OK , but i didn't play er um... "troubleshoot" for long enough to see if things are stable over long periods of time.

I have tried every cat from 8.1 to 8.4 hotfix with no luck. Here's the lowdown of my problem using BF2 for every run.

8.1 Lots of choppy game play with intermittent long lag periods...got very annoyed and stopped playing. ATI tool won't do anything for my card but it didn't find any artifacts.

8.2 no better performance but random VPU recoveries.

8.3 won't load

8.4 lots of black spots popping up on the ground and still have some choppy game play. on a positive note I didn't get the bad lag ...go ATI. Still no artifacts found in ATI tray tools...ATI tool results in a BSOD:nutkick: Any attempt at an overclock results in a BSOD too.

I want to believe this is a driver issue (blue screen agrees) but nothing I try helps. I have been cleaning the drivers using Driver Cleaner too.:banghead: I am to the point that I want to RMA this card and try my luck on another one. I'm not overclocking and I'm also using a Corsair 750 watt psu that is more than enough for my setup.

Anybody else tried BF2 to see if they have problems too? I could really use help here. I am in no way a novice and this is kicking my ass royally:cry: I have searched around and there seem to be allot of driver issues but not like mine. I don't get the Direct X failure message mentioned on the release notes for cat 8.4 either. I don't believe reinstalling XP will resolve anything and It's not really an option since I have too much stuff I don't want to move (300GB)

The pics show the black spots I'm talking about. Keep in mind these things move around rapidly so there are 5-10X as many on the screen while playing and always on the ground.

[15th Warlock]

Hello all been a while since I done anything worth while to my computer but I have been following this thread with allot of interest. I finally broke down and purchased a Sapphire 3850 AGP from the egg.

Well the good news playing BF2 I get 30+ more FPS average :rockout:

The bad news I can't get this card to work for shit!:banghead::banghead::banghead:
My method of troubleshooting is with BF2. I tinkered with stalker and serious sam2 for a while to see how things work and they seem OK , but i didn't play er um... "troubleshoot" for long enough to see if things are stable over long periods of time.

I have tried every cat from 8.1 to 8.4 hotfix with no luck. Here's the lowdown of my problem using BF2 for every run.

8.1 Lots of choppy game play with intermittent long lag periods...got very annoyed and stopped playing. ATI tool won't do anything for my card but it didn't find any artifacts.

8.2 no better performance but random VPU recoveries.

8.3 won't load

8.4 lots of black spots popping up on the ground and still have some choppy game play. on a positive note I didn't get the bad lag ...go ATI. Still no artifacts found in ATI tray tools...ATI tool results in a BSOD:nutkick: Any attempt at an overclock results in a BSOD too.

I want to believe this is a driver issue (blue screen agrees) but nothing I try helps. I have been cleaning the drivers using Driver Cleaner too.:banghead: I am to the point that I want to RMA this card and try my luck on another one. I'm not overclocking and I'm also using a Corsair 750 watt psu that is more than enough for my setup.

Anybody else tried BF2 to see if they have problems too? I could really use help here. I am in no way a novice and this is kicking my ass royally:cry: I have searched around and there seem to be allot of driver issues but not like mine. I don't get the Direct X failure message mentioned on the release notes for cat 8.4 either. I don't believe reinstalling XP will resolve anything and It's not really an option since I have too much stuff I don't want to move (300GB)

The pics show the black spots I'm talking about. Keep in mind these things move around rapidly so there are 5-10X as many on the screen while playing and always on the ground.

IMHO, I think your PSU is the culprit, been playing BF2 and BF2142 with my card and so far, so good, no problems at all... Try to get at least a 450W PSU for your setup...

EDIT: Sorry, just re-read your post, Corsair 750W PSU you said? I thought you were using the Antec 380W PSU in your sys specs... ummm.. perhaps you should RMA your card then...

[InnocentCriminal]

Before RMA'ing your card, completely remove any previous Cat sets. Make sure Fast Writes are disabled in the BIOS and just try the card again. Ignore CCC if you want and only install the Display driver. If you're still getting the same artifacts etc then yeah, I suggest you RMA you card.

Good luck with it dude!

My GF gave me my Sapphire 3850 as an early b'day present. w00t! So once I'm home on Monday I'll give it a shot in the mouth in my Shuttle and then I can start transfering things over to my new Lian Li!

I'm off to see the Presidents of the United States of America tomorrow!

\m/

Lump FTW!

[intel igent]

@ innocent : thats just peaches :p :rockout: you gonna make a build log?

@ 65tweet : what are your temps like? what are you using to power the card, molex to 8pin or straight 6pin from PSU? have checked to see if there are any patches out for BF?

:toast:

[Morgoth]

keep us posted morgoth, hows the W/C coming along?

im bleeding mine (takes me a while) and my temp sensors arent working on my hardcano, i'll have to figure that out (hope its just a wire) then its off to check the HDD's tomorrow and hopefully fragging in the evening saturday! :rockout:

:toast:

my wc works great :)
i get from 25~30c idle i havent shecked maxium
Voltage is now 1,625 at 3600mhz
question abouth ram whats teh maxium temp of ram can get? mine got 50c on fullload

[InnocentCriminal]

@ innocent : thats just peaches :p :rockout: you gonna make a build log?

Nice PUSA hint there with the Peaches. ;)

I may just do a work log, can't say I'll be doing much modding though. See how things go. The question at the moment is, do I buy a new HDD for the Shuttle b'day present or do I get myself a 500GB and give them my 160GB?

Wonder if I'll beat 5296 in 3DMark06.... MUHAHAHAHAHA!

[Morgoth]

arg that ccc update made my clocks unstable

[65tweet]

Been out for a while but I switched back to 8.1 cats and the black spots are gone. My average FPS are fine (30’s-80’s)so the choppy play is a puzzle. Reinstalling the last patch didn't help things either. I tried FEAR for a while and have no issues but far cry just freezes on the first screen. It seems that the problem is more than likely drivers.

15th: I have a spare power supply that is going to go into my next build so I am using that to rule out any problems there. I figured 60 Amps on the 12volt rail would do it. Is there any settings in CCC you recommend to try seeing as you are able to play BF2 without problems?

Innocent: I completely remove all of the previous drivers every time and no luck there. I haven’t tried just installing the driver though, I’ll try that first thing when I get home Monday.

Intel: I have no temps or fan control in ATI Tool .27 B3or ATI tray tools Is this normal for everyone? Using CCC my idle temps are 45 and load seem to be about 60. I know CCC is not the most accurate way of monitoring temperatures but is seems like things are OK.

Any attempt to overclock not using CCC results in a BSOD. Overclocking with CCC results in VPU recovery. One thing I did notice different now is the max overclock in CCC is 720Mhz and before I installed 8.4 it was 8?? Mhz. not that it mattered I can’t overclock anyway.

I’m thinkig I either have an issue with catalyst or my card just doesn’t quite cut it and is struggling to get by.
Tomorrow when I get home if nothing works I’m going to install the card into another computer and see if I get the same results. Otherwise I seem to be left with two options RMA and hope that this fixes things or start playing COD4…I am open to better suggestions though

Also I have noticed something about the way web pages are displayed too that maybe somebody can explain. When I was using my X850 with every version of catalyst, colors were less vivid or completely different. For example on this site (using FireFox) the names on the forum left were blue and the moderator names on the right were green and blue. Now the names on the left are brownish and the mod names on the right are red and green. There are no color problems with the display though because pics all seem to be the correct colors. What I mean by more vivid is that some words on other sites have coloring around the letters that make them look “vivid” for lack of a better word and pages just look all around better. Since this is 2D not 3D I am curious as to why this is? Maybe I’m just not up to date on newer cards.

Thanks

[InnocentCriminal]

Hmmm... interesting but bloody frustrating problem you've got their buddy. Any chance we can get some pictures of the 'black spots' GFX corruption?

It could be that your card is faulty. As a very last resort you could see if a BIOS update has been released for your card. What manufacturer is your card? If you like I'll send over a copy of mine as I'll be installing mine (Sapphire) tonight.

I'll see if I get any of the same issues. Hope you/we can find a fix soon.

UPDATE: Well, I've got my 3850 installed and at stock. It's so much better than the X1950 Pro - so chuffed! Love my GF! XD

From my max 3DMark06 score of 5296 I'm at 8738 now. I'm going to have a little go at OC'ing. See where I get with that.

I'm so happy right now!

[Harlock]

What's the best HD3850 AGP around?

Club3D
Sapphire
PowerColor
HIS

Do I miss some producer?

[Morgoth]

sapphire + hr-03 cooling or water

[InnocentCriminal]

I'm going to have to recommend the Sapphire as well. It's a massive imrpovement upon my X1950 Pro and I'm not just saying that because the card is technically superior, what I actually mean is that the stock cooler is far quieter under heavy load, the card's build quality looks like it's been improved a lot more and the general performance of the card is fantastic. :D

I've just used the 8.4 (hotfix) CCC to OC my card and I've gone from, well. Take a look for yourself...

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2218/90783dmark06dh5.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=90783dmark06dh5.jpg)

Oh and welcome to the fold Harlock, TPU is the best forum in the world! FACT!

[65tweet]

I have the Sapphire card as well. The problem is the drivers. After removing every piece of ATI software I could find on my computer I installed the drivers that came on the disc (8.1). Things seemed better so I went and installed the 8.4 hotfix drivers again and things are much better. no black spots, long lag periods or incorrect colors on webpages. There is still some chop but it's better than before. I hope the next set of drivers can improve this plus the earlier drivers seemed to have better performance too.

CCC is the only way I can monitor temps so if anybody knows a utility that will display temps like ATI tool normally does or has fan control plz let me know. I have no luck with ATI tool .27B4 or ATI tray tools.

Thanks.

[lemonadesoda]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080424/Clipboard02.png

from CPU ID http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php

[Harlock]

Ok my configuration it's in my signature, is it ok?

[lemonadesoda]

@harlock.

Your configuration in the wrong place. Dont put it in the signature! Put it in the system profile. Go to your CP and you'll see where. Then you'll get a system specs drop down box. Its much tidier and info much easier to read.

That's a GREAT AGP system you've got. IMPRESSIVE! Please go http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=58722 and post some benchmarks. Thanks.

P.S. Does the conroe865pe allow you to change the multiplier in the BIOS? Or do you need a software tool to get to 3.2Ghz? What BIOS are you running? There is a BIOS hack for the Conroe865PE that will give you a memory divider of 1:1 or 5:4 instead of 3:2. With your DDR600, you can take it! Wow.

[Harlock]

Does the conroe865pe allow you to change the multiplier in the BIOS? Or do you need a software tool to get to 3.2Ghz?

Yes, change from x10 to x12 :D

What BIOS are you running?

Latest Version 1.70 :)

There is a BIOS hack for the Conroe865PE that will give you a memory divider of 1:1 or 5:4 instead of 3:2. With your DDR600, you can take it! Wow.

I know about these BIOSs their problem is that they not support dual channel so they don't work on my configuration, I've already tried (and cried) they with no positive results :banghead: :(

[intel igent]

@ 65tweet : glad it sorted out for ya :)

@ innocentcriminal : right on man! thats a sizeable improvement over the 1950 :rockout:

@ harlock : welcome to TPU! nice rig youve got there! ;)

:toast:

[lemonadesoda]

I've got a VERY BIG TIP for ya Harlock. Kill those 200+80+60 internals and replace with a Samsung F1 750 or 1000GB. They are very very very fast. Will make a big difference on your system.

[Harlock]

I've got a VERY BIG TIP for ya Harlock. Kill those 200+80+60 internals and replace with a Samsung F1 750 or 1000GB. They are very very very fast. Will make a big difference on your system.

is it better than Raptor?

My main problem is to raise up FSB couse Divider it's locked to 3:2 couse I've 266Mhz so my DDR is less than 200Mhz :banghead:

Now I use 2-3-3-5

[intel igent]

300fsb is 200mhz ram?

have you tried 2/2/2/5?

[Harlock]

300fsb is 200mhz ram?

Yes but I cannot set FSB to 300Mhz couse windows doesn't boot, I can set to 266Mhz with no error, now I'm performing some test on 280Mhz with no positive results

have you tried 2/2/2/5?

Just set and works great :toast:

[intel igent]

have you locked your PCI/AGP bus? have you tried increasing the CPU and NB volts?

are you manually OC'ing or using AUTO OC?

[Harlock]

have you locked your PCI/AGP bus?

Locked in which way?

have you tried increasing the CPU and NB volts?

What do you mean with increasing CPU? What is NB Volts?

are you manually OC'ing or using AUTO OC?

Manually by BIOS

[intel igent]

locked as in 66mhz/33mhz (lock the freq so it does not scale with FSB and cause instabillity)

CPU volts as in Vcore

NB volts may also be reffered to as "AGP volts", increasing the value aids in stabillity

which GFX drivers are you using?

[Harlock]

locked as in 66mhz/33mhz (lock the freq so it does not scale with FSB and cause instabillity)

There is no this settings in BIOS :cry:

CPU volts as in Vcore

NB volts may also be reffered to as "AGP volts", increasing the value aids in stabillity

There are 3 settings about CPU voltage, AGP, and VTT, that can be AUTO, HIGH and LOW
I set all to HIGH voltage

which GFX drivers are you using?

Xtreme 8.4 32bit AGP now, but I 've tried Catalyst since 7.8

[InnocentCriminal]

Xtreme 8.4?

Are these (soft)modded drivers?

[Harlock]

Xtreme 8.4?

Are these (soft)modded drivers?

Yes, look at http://www.tweakforce.com/

[InnocentCriminal]

My girlfriend's Uni won't allow us to access the page. :(

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D'you find any improvement over these compared to the default, ATi set?

[Harlock]

I note no difference however you can try this link

http://www.hwupgrade.it/download/file/3750.html

[InnocentCriminal]

3750? XD

I'll have a butchers when I go home tonight.

:D

[karatekatadvd]

I have the Sapphire card as well. The problem is the drivers. After removing every piece of ATI software I could find on my computer I installed the drivers that came on the disc (8.1). Things seemed better so I went and installed the 8.4 hotfix drivers again and things are much better. no black spots, long lag periods or incorrect colors on webpages. There is still some chop but it's better than before. I hope the next set of drivers can improve this plus the earlier drivers seemed to have better performance too.

CCC is the only way I can monitor temps so if anybody knows a utility that will display temps like ATI tool normally does or has fan control plz let me know. I have no luck with ATI tool .27B4 or ATI tray tools.

Thanks.


Mmmhhhh, got the Sapphire too, but she works fine with ATT and Cat 8.3 (Hotfix). Do you got the latest ATT-Beta? Should be 1.4.7.1176 (http://cid-a50350ea7a969f0c.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/attsetup.exe)

[65tweet]

8.3 never worked for me just got a no supported card found message. Using the 8.4 hotfix drivers now and things seem fine as long as I don't use a third party OC utility.

Got tired of not being to adjust fan speeds so I modded my BIOS to 100% above 50 degrees. Not noisy at all and a little cooler with a modest OC.

Raised my volts to 1.3 and 3Dclocks to 720/950 since I know those are stable. When I find a utility that will overclock my card higher than CCC I will do some testing I'll push it further. No real need now and I'm tired of the BSOD telling be about driver stuck in infinite loop, ATI2DVAG, BLAH BLAH BLAH....:banghead:

Even though my system probably wont notice any difference in any further overclocking, I would still like to know how far it will go:D

[InnocentCriminal]

I must be really bloody luck with my card check out my clocks...

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2218/90783dmark06dh5.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=90783dmark06dh5.jpg)

... I've got that with just using CCC.

All I need to do now is buy a new radiator (can't use my 120MM) and to get a compatible waterblock. I had being delayed. All I want to do is to see how far I can get my CPU, GPU and RAM in my 'new' motherboard. I'll be so happy if I can get 3GHz or over on my CPU, the same (not sure I can go any higher) on my GPU and well, as far as my RAM will allow.

[65tweet]

I have no issues with CCC, I can go all the way to the max the slider will give (720/950) stable. The problem is when I try to OC with third party software IE ATI Tool, ATI tray tools etc. Then I get the all to familiar BSOD.

I just figured since i was going to flash the card for the fan speeds why not make the 3D clocks permanent too. A little more voltage never hurts either :D

when I find a third party OC tool that works then I'll see about taking it further and see what it's capable of doing.

BTW my max temps seem to be about 67-68C under load...not to bad for stock cooling I think. May slap on some AC MX-2 and see what that does for it.

[intel igent]

@ innocentcriminal : nice scores! :rockout: what are you planning for L/C?

@ 65tweet : why dont you try to use the bios editor and edit your bios with some OC clocks if you want higher?

im using the drivers that came from the disk (8.452) no problems; yet.

im having trouble downloading 3dmark for some reason :banghead: i'd like to do some benchies :o ive got the CPU @ 3.6 prime stable right now (before could only manage 3.45) so id like to see how she goes :)

:toast:

[karatekatadvd]

@65tweet: I´ve got the same message "no supported card..." if i try to install the driver automatically.

So i install the driver the following way:

- Extract the driver to his folder C:\ATI\8-3_xp32_8-471-57941 for example (just start the automatically installation)

- If the extraction is complete, dont`t use the following automatically installation (terminate it).

- Install the driver via the device manager


Conclusion: Worked for me! So just try it


cu

[65tweet]

karatekatadvd: already tried it. comp said...:nutkick:
For some reason the drivers just want to be difficult with me. If I pick up another harddrive maybe I'll try a fresh XP or vista install. Things are going pretty well for me now though as long as I don't mess with third party utilities.


intel igent: I'll mod when I know just how high my card will go. 'till then it's not worth risking flashing too high and ending up with a bunch of issues for just a little gain.

[Gump]

Cooling VF-900 -- 18C improvement under load from ~80C to ~62C
Good Clean power for OC -- PC Power and cooling.
Running over 10 minutes at 810 / 1008.

That is backed off from GPU freeze at ~860 and start of mem artifacts at 1062.

Solid so far:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1298/clipboard01sy7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[lemonadesoda]

***********
NEWS UPDATE
***********

Some of you know i got myself a ASROCK Conroe865pe to run a q6600 with my firegl-x3 and 2GB corsair ddr. Well, the firegl-x3 was fussy on the conroe865pe... so i bit the bullet and got a hd3850 powercolor. That was ok, except for fan control not working on powercolor... so I have a leafblower... however when I upgraded the PSU from 420W to 600W I lost stability. It turns out that the 420W was "just enough" power for my system... and very slightly overvolted by 0.05v the 3.3 rail... which kept me stable. Anyway, the new PSU just wasnt stable at all, even though it was an expensive yalman zh600w.

So I swapped out the Conroe865PE for a 775i85G. It only has 2 slots for DDR, so I'm now DOWN to 1GB (sucks). But the system is now 100% rock steady. It seems that the Conroe865PE had a dodgy AGP slot.

I share the info with you for others pushing the AGP slots hard with the HD3850. An "unstable" system could be the mainboard AGP as much as anything else.

[intel igent]

thnx for sharing lemonadesoda :)

well i just tried to run ATiTool (latest 27 BETA) and its a no go for me, it doesnt display proper clocks and doesnt hold selected clocks. seems like it keeps defaulting to showing 2d clocks but then it artifacts and system hangs :confused:

i have not enabled catalyst overdrive could that have something to do with it?

[Morgoth]

use ati tray tools

[intel igent]

use ati tray tools

i havent tried it cuz it never worked for me in the past but i guess i can give it a try........

[65tweet]

I'm using the latest beta version of ATI traytools found here: http://www.playground.ru/files/11173/

It has working fan control and allows me to overclock too. The only problem for me with this version is I can't display the 3D image or use the functions that require it. Just gives me something about open GL and install the latest drivers. I think this is an improvement for me though since before I could display the image but any attempt to overclock resulted in a BSOD. I can now OC BEYOND CCC!

I'm using the drivers from 8.4 hot fix & CCC from 8.3 hot fix. This allows me to use ATI tool for artifact scanning. On a note of caution though, for me if I attempt ANYTHING relating to changing GPU/memory speed in any program while ATI tool is open/running I get VPU recovery. Pisses me off when I forget to close it:banghead:

[65tweet]

Just tried the furmark bench for the first time and got the same open GL 2.0 error as in tray tools. Starting to see a pattern here. Perhaps the issues I have been having is with open GL:confused:

Any ideas/ options. I have reinstalled the drivers enough to know that isn't going to make things better. If I try to run CCC from the 8.4 hotfix now I get a "can't find MOM.implementation or required files" warning :wtf:. I Don't get it from any other CCC version.:banghead::banghead:

Did I clean my drivers out too well now or is there a known issue here? This may explain why things seem a little choppy.

[intel igent]

whats the process you use to remove/clean your drivers?

[65tweet]

Last removal process was:
1 ATI software removal utility (standard removal)
2 Driver Cleaner
3 CCleaner
4 Registry Mechanic
5 Norton WinDoctor

A bit excessive yes but given the problems I have had with drivers I want to be sure nothing is left. I restored the removed files too but that didn't resolve the MOM.etc error. I have heard of others having this problem too but mine is only with the CCC in 8.4 hotfix. I'm thinking I need;) another hard drive so perhaps I go that route and try a fresh XP installation. The new WD 640Gb looks tempting.
I'm going to try some modded drivers for now though and see what those do for me. Just read about tweakforce in another thread so I'm going to give 'em a try.

[intel igent]

the link to the tweakforce drivers is on the first pg, harlock was/is using them ;)

when removing drivers i go through control panel and remove all the drivers then restart PC, after restart i use driver cleaner to remove any remaining bits of the driver then restart again and frsh install.

seems to work for me :confused:

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

So, any noticed any improvement with the TweakForce drivers?

[65tweet]

So, any noticed any improvement with the TweakForce drivers?

No they wouldn't load :wtf:

May have been a bad download but I don't really have the time to mess with the computer with work and all. Maybe in a day of two I give it a go again.

On a positive note I overclocked my GPU and let it run on ATI tool for a whole day at 810 Mhz. No artifacts found and temps are 77 degrees with stock cooling. I"ll start checking gaming stability when I mess with the drivers again.

[Morgoth]

anny one here getting corrupted artifacts in crysis with hd3850 agp? when mem clocked higher then 860mhz

[crossbre3d]

Sry if i am posting in the wrong section but i just kinda stumbled in to these forums and im not a know it all when it comes to pc. I just bought a 3850 agp card and i installed it. Seems to be working, but i am wondering if it is normal for the GPU-z to say ATI Radeon 3800 series??

[Morgoth]

yes

[intel igent]

anny one here getting corrupted artifacts in crysis with hd3850 agp? when mem clocked higher then 860mhz

maybe your mem cant go that high?

[crossbre3d]

Also, ive been looking around and driver seem to be a big issue with the 3850 lol..So i am just wondering what is the best driver or atleast which one are worth trying out? Could somone just list a few plz..

[eidairaman1]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1069609639+1305520549+106792462+10679 33728&name=Radeon+HD+3850

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductList3.jsp

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=Radeon+3850+AGP&image12.x=0&image12.y=0

http://www.directron.com/ag3850512md3p.html

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Radeon+3850+AGP&x=0&y=0

checkout pricewatch.com and just punch up Radeon 3850 AGP in google for additional pricing

[intel igent]

Also, ive been looking around and driver seem to be a big issue with the 3850 lol..So i am just wondering what is the best driver or atleast which one are worth trying out? Could somone just list a few plz..

have a look at the first post as ive listed pretty much all the drivers that people have been using here.

i myself am using the 8.4's that came with my card and have not had any problems yet, i play older games though cuz im a cheappo so.....

only thing is ATItool 0.27beta doesnt work for me and i havent tried anything else to OC

:toast:

[crossbre3d]

Ah WoW. Ty for the quick response, cant believe i totally missed that lol.. Um How about this Omega drive, someone told me about it, so it worth trying out?

[intel igent]

you would be the first here to try those drivers, if you can plz post your experience with them ;)

just make shure you follow proper procedure for removing/installing drivers to avoid any conflicts

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

Some very interesting news for those that are interested in watercooling their 3850's. :D

I've been in talks with EK Waterblocks (http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/) to see if their full cover EK-FC3850 waterblock (http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_31_42&products_id=215&osCsid=7cb0094db4f051d856802c31f418dab5) will actually fit without causing any issue to the Raltio chip.

I've just got a reply this morning. They've given me a template of their waterblock and told me to print it out 1:1 to see if it'll fit.

I couldn't keep this to myself, it's just not fair. So, for anyone that is interested, print the schematic to a 1:1 ratio they also said to remove the aluminium heatsink...


Hi!

Please print the picture 1:1 and see if it will fit.

Perhaps without the alu part.

Fingers crossed it works, if so, it means I'll be able to cool my GFX along with my CPU. ^^

Oh yeah, almost forgot, I improved my GPU and RAM clocks and have managed to get 9107 in 3DMark06... I think, I forget, I'm hungover.

[intel igent]

keep us posted innocent!

would be nice for anyone wanting to be able to have that option on their AGP model

before i ordered my maze5 i was looking myself at an EK F/C but was unshure of compatibillity and couldnt find an answer so i jumped and grabbed the maze :o


:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

I'm going to ask the kind guys at EK if they'd mind sending me the schematics for the back side waterblock so I can see if it hits the Raltio chip at all.

It's annoying really, my Thermaltake Bigwater uses 1/4" barbs and tubing and it's stupidly hard to find suitable barbs or replacements for it so it looks like I'll be putting my WC'ing on hold and continuing with air cooling.

Extremely gutted.

:(

[intel igent]

do you need a F/C block?

although it would be nice; you could always use a GPU only :confused:

[InnocentCriminal]

F/C block?

I'm hoping that this kit will let me change everything to 3/8" ID - bloody Thermaltake, using 1/4" - I can't find any UK enthusiast shops that sell 1/4" ID barbs. >.<

:O

It's either brand new, or I never noticed it before... Hose coupling metal (http://www.thecoolingshop.com/product_info.php/cPath/33_62/products_id/2297) damn being busy at work.

I'll have a proper look tonight. I could use those... ^^

[intel igent]

F/C block = Full Cover ;)

all i see is red x's in your link :o

id suggest you a minimun of 3/8" tubing

[Xolair]

Would it be a dumb move if I changed my PCI-E HD3850 to a AGP version? This current mobo doesn't seem to like my current GPU... the AGP version wouldn't cost incredibly much and I'd almost get all the money back from selling the PCI-E version that I'd spend on the AGP one.

Or, could get a new mobo but it'd be quite a pain-in-the-ass to install all the stuff again. :roll:

[eidairaman1]

Would it be a dumb move if I changed my PCI-E HD3850 to a AGP version? This current mobo doesn't seem to like my current GPU... the AGP version wouldn't cost incredibly much and I'd almost get all the money back from selling the PCI-E version that I'd spend on the AGP one.

Or, could get a new mobo but it'd be quite a pain-in-the-ass to install all the stuff again. :roll:

why would you ask a question like that, youd be paying more just for a AGP version, beyond that Most PCIe/AGP combo boards are not separate as of bus thus performance will be much lower on AGP than a Native AGP Motherboard. So dont trade in for a AGP version, stick with what you have, if you think the Board doesnt like the Card, i suggest Changing the board to a Native PCi Express Design.

[InnocentCriminal]

F/C block = Full Cover ;)

Yeah I'd prefer a full cover block, but I can always change. I have two spare waterblocks, one for my old 9800 and one I had for my X1600 Pro. Waste of bloody money they were. :(

all i see is red x's in your link :o

Weird, try this...

http://www.thecoolingshop.com/images/prods/16534.jpg

id suggest you a minimun of 3/8" tubing

I'm hoping I can change the quick connect fittings on my pump to 3/8" - if so I'll be very happy.

All of this is delaying my build(s).

:mad:

[Gump]

Would it be a dumb move if I changed my PCI-E HD3850 to a AGP version? This current mobo doesn't seem to like my current GPU... the AGP version wouldn't cost incredibly much and I'd almost get all the money back from selling the PCI-E version that I'd spend on the AGP one.

Or, could get a new mobo but it'd be quite a pain-in-the-ass to install all the stuff again. :roll:

I believe that board is limited to 4x PCIE - coupled with a lower end Core 2 Duo it will be somewhat bottlenecked - even if stable. You should continue forward in your upgrades. The AGP would be a move in the wrong direction. If looking for some approximate performance I put the below together some time back.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/307/hd3850finalnk5.gif

[eidairaman1]

[QUOTE=Gump;786704]I believe that board is limited to 4x PCIE - coupled with a lower end Core 2 Duo it will be somewhat bottlenecked - even if stable. You should continue forward in your upgrades. The AGP would be a move in the wrong direction. If looking for some approximate performance I put the below together some time back.

That image proves nothing if you dont provide the credit where it came from, specify Works Cited before posting anything like that.

[intel igent]

[QUOTE=Gump;786704]I believe that board is limited to 4x PCIE - coupled with a lower end Core 2 Duo it will be somewhat bottlenecked - even if stable. You should continue forward in your upgrades. The AGP would be a move in the wrong direction. If looking for some approximate performance I put the below together some time back.

That image proves nothing if you dont provide the credit where it came from, specify Works Cited before posting anything like that.

Gump put that list together on another forum he is a member of IIRC

@ innocentcriminal : PM me with what you have for W/C gear and what youre plans are

:toast:

[eidairaman1]

it be hard to determine my machine but i get about a little over 4000 3D Marks in 06.

[InnocentCriminal]

@ innocentcriminal : PM me with what you have for W/C gear and what youre plans are

:toast:

I will do, I'll find the other blocks so I can tell you what they are.

^^

[Gump]

That image proves nothing if you dont provide the credit where it came from, specify Works Cited before posting anything like that.

Credit goes to me. :rolleyes: Data gathered from Futuremark ORB 3DMark 06 - When latest Cat was 8.3.

If anything this is a conservative estimate of performance for HD3850 and includes both AGP and PCI-e. These interfaces are essentially yeilding the same performance for the HD3850. I have read the comparisons from the reviews of the HD3850 AGP, but am not going to waste further time by searching and then writing a bibliography of those sources. Search if you want, they are still out there. The fact is AGP was nowhere near saturated when the move to PCI-e was pushed by hardware manufacturers. That said, the HD3850 will be the last, or at least should be the last, AGP card as the next generation of cards would saturate the AGP Bus. Regarding the graph, as the 2 trendlines diverge you are reaching the graphics potential of the card with the drivers that were used. The Blue trendline is the Graphics portion - it levels off in the 9000's. From that point on very little graphics performance improvement is going to occur. The Total 3Dmark score continues to rise solely based on CPU performance.

Just take it for what it is: a Graph meant to help people - one that Futuremark could easily create from their own database, but hasn't.

[eidairaman1]

[QUOTE=Gump;786851]Credit goes to me. :rolleyes: Data gathered from Futuremark ORB 3DMark 06 - When latest Cat was 8.3.

So true on the CPU being the pushing factor behind 3DMark06, In that test my CPU on the second test gets 1 FPS. Im pretty sure those with A64 AGP and PCI express units with same card outperform in that test only. My Score came about from the Cat 8.1s

[[MD]Phantom]

Maybe some one off you could help me with this question.

I have a AGP based system, i am going to upgrade when the new Nehalem stuff is coming out.

But until then i want too give my old system a little boost.

I have a P4 3,4 Ghz HT prescott processor
a Asus p4c800-E deluxe mainboard
2048 MB ram Dual Channel

and an AGING X850XT 265 mb card.

I was planning on buying a HD 3850 512 mb AGP for my system, but i have the feeling the rest off the system will be too slow for it and wil work as an bottle nek expecially the CPU.

Because i have changed the cards ones already to a 7950GT, but that was not sattisfactory.

I did get a higher score with 3dmark06 almost doubled it but in CALL OF DUTY 4 i did NOT get more frames per second with the 7950GT.

So schould i buy a HD3850 512 mb ( and a new powersupply because i only have a 370 watt version) or just keep it as it is and wait.

Thanks, in advance for any help.

[Morgoth]

get hd3850 and ur fine
and clock ur cpu higher

[InnocentCriminal]

My bastard 'new' motherboard from another TPU doesn't bloody work. >.<

I get nothing, apart from the green LED that states the board is getting come current. Everything is dead. All system fans, power or HDD LED activity are non-existant.

I'm freaking depressed!

I'm hoping I can fix this issue tonight.

[Morgoth]

sent it back and ask for ur money back :)

[[MD]Phantom]

@ innocentcriminal,

Did you only change the motherboard ??, if yes:

try switching youre ram dimms one at a time, if this does not work the motherboard is probably faulty.

@morgoth, Ty for the reaction.

But just getting one is not exactly an answer to the question, it will cost me abround 142 Euro for the card and another 100 Euro for a power supply so together about 250 Euro.

Sinds money does not grow on my back i want too be as sure as i can be.
That the card will increase the performance of my system without beeing hinderd from the cpu or some other component.

Because the 7950GT is much faster on paper than a X850XT but it was not that way in my system.

I see that youre systeem specs are similar to myn, do you by chance play CALL OF DUY 4 ???.

[Morgoth]

well your cpu wil be bottlenecking your gpu and you wont get higher score on stock speeds then 4700 3dmarks 06?
no i dont play cod4 i hate it
i play crysis and runs fine at 20fps ultra high setings 8x af 1650x1050

[eidairaman1]

ya 3Dmark06 is very dependent on the CPU score, due to 2 tests, everything else relies on graphics power.

[[MD]Phantom]

With the current configuration i get 2330 3dmark06 points,( a little overklock )

I got with the 7950GT about double that about 4400 pionts 3dmark06

But in call of duty 4 i get with the current configuration around 50-60 FPS average and sometimes drops too 20-30 fps, and thats just to low.

With the 7950GT i got the same fps results in call of duty 4 as with the X850XT, so that's why im very sceptic about taking a HD3850 without knowing that it will improve my fps.

@morgoth 20FPS????? isn't that to slow, if you have that few fps in call of duty 4 you would be a lagger.

I too have fps lagg sometimes that's why i want to upgrade in the first place.

[intel igent]

innocent make shure your front panel connections are in the right spots ;) that gets me all the time :nutkick: :laugh:

@ [MD] you'll prolly score over 5000 3Dmarks and get a little boost in actual gaming. i went from an x850xt pe @ 575/600 to this 3850 @ stock/stock and i noticed an improvement both in image quality and frames, moreso in image quality

:toast:

[Morgoth]

Phantom;794635']With the current configuration i get 2330 3dmark06 points,( a little overklock )

I got with the 7950GT about double that about 4400 pionts 3dmark06

But in call of duty 4 i get with the current configuration around 50-60 FPS average and sometimes drops too 20-30 fps, and thats just to low.

With the 7950GT i got the same fps results in call of duty 4 as with the X850XT, so that's why im very sceptic about taking a HD3850 without knowing that it will improve my fps.

@morgoth 20FPS????? isn't that to slow, if you have that few fps in call of duty 4 you would be a lagger.

I too have fps lagg sometimes that's why i want to upgrade in the first place.

emm i did not say cod4 i said abouth crysis i get 20-30fps there with every thing on maxium
ultra high settings ( dx10 hack) and 8x af

[[MD]Phantom]

@ Morgoth,
Yes i know,

Still 20FPS in crysis does not seem a lot to me, then again i never have played crysis yet.

@ Intel igent,

I was afraid you where gonna say that the quality does not matter to mee i only need more frames in Call of duty 4 Multiplayer.

So ill save the money and wait for Nehalem and then make a new system.

Thanks everybody for the info.;)

[Morgoth]

crysis is a heavy game
if i get 30 fps max in crysis on high settings i sould get 80 in cod4

tell me wht kind of nehalem setup ur gona buy?

[InnocentCriminal]

innocent make shure your front panel connections are in the right spots ;) that gets me all the time :nutkick: :laugh::

It's all good, I've sorted the bastard! It was the 8pin on my PSU, didn't make proper contact with my GFX card, but installing the modular 8pin made it boot straight off.

XD

I'm so jazzed!

Time to start with the benches!

[radman3d]

Hi All,

First time posting here. I have an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, 2 GB DDR1 at 234 MHz (468 MHz DDR), Athlon 64 4000+ 2.4 GHz O/C 2.8 GHz and a new Powercolor HD3850 running at stock speeds 668/829. 3dMark06 scored 6750, over 3 times what my X800GTO scored when overclocked to 450/550.

[Morgoth]

arg got a new cpu this thing runs hother then my other cpu :@ and doest clock higher arg!

[InnocentCriminal]

Well my new motherboard is reading my SATA HDD as SCSI - fucking annoying!

[eidairaman1]

thats how my System, is Apparently XP doesnt detect SATA drives as SATA but as SCSI.

[[MD]Phantom]

Damn i had the same problem wit XP and sata disk,

Did solve it but trying to remeber how......:banghead:

Something had to be changed in BIOS.

As i remember,

In IDE configuration screen, you have to set

Enhanced mode support to S-ATA

and Configure S-ATA as RAID to NO

So is it in my rig, with windows XP SP3 and a Western digital raptor 10.000rpm S-ATA disk drive.

[eidairaman1]

well the mode is set properly etc, but for Bios bootup, it detects those drives as SCSI and there is no option of SATA, i guess reason it comes up as SCSI is the Fact of RAID, beyond that lets get back to topic, sorry for the Hijack.

[Widjaja]

Yes it is a BIOS setting.
I have never had my systems tell me my SATA is SCSI.

Anyway, good to see there are people still on AGP.

[eidairaman1]

AGP is deader than a door nail, ill admit that myself.

[blaznjason]

I just plopped a Sapphire HD3850 into my machine!
I left behind an Nvidia 6800.
I have 5 inquiries.

My Specs:
Athlon 3000+@2.03, 512 + (256x2) = 1gb of unmatching ram, Asus A8V-X board. IDE133 HD (1)(Does not being a SATA HD affect game performance?)

With a super FPS config at 640x480 in COD4 I get 60-160 ~75-100 consistantly FPS.

(2)I'm wondering how big a difference 2gb of CL3 Kingston will make over the current ram on my FPS((3)Can I run this newfangled 500mhz DDR1? (3a)Is it much better?). (4)I'm also wondering how much a 4000+ as opposed to a 3000+CPU would make in FPS difference. (5)Finally, a 939socket Athlon x2...

I guess it would help if I posted a benchmark score of some kind. I'll get on that.
OH, and I OC RivaTuner 1026 / 810

Thanks, I look forward to your responses.

[eidairaman1]

My game runs smooth with a 3200+, x1950 Pro at full resolution in COD 4, thats under MP and SP.

[Widjaja]

I just plopped a Sapphire HD3850 into my machine!
I left behind an Nvidia 6800.
I have 5 inquiries.

My Specs:
Athlon 3000+@2.03, 512 + (256x2) = 1gb of unmatching ram, Asus A8V-X board. IDE133 HD (1)(Does not being a SATA HD affect game performance?)

With a super FPS config at 640x480 in COD4 I get 60-160 ~75-100 consistantly FPS.

(2)I'm wondering how big a difference 2gb of CL3 Kingston will make over the current ram on my FPS((3)Can I run this newfangled 500mhz DDR1? (3a)Is it much better?). (4)I'm also wondering how much a 4000+ as opposed to a 3000+CPU would make in FPS difference. (5)Finally, a 939socket Athlon x2...

I guess it would help if I posted a benchmark score of some kind. I'll get on that.
OH, and I OC RivaTuner 1026 / 810

Thanks, I look forward to your responses.

1:-No difference in gaming between IDE 133 and SATA I and II.

2:-Having 2GB in dual channel will make gaming alot smoother and you will notice more responsiveness in windows.

3:-If your motherboard allows to be set to DDR500 in BIOS it will cope with it.
If you board is like my old ABIT AV8-3rd eye then it should be able to use DDR500 RAM to its full potential although DDR is very expensive.
3a:-Over DDR400 no.

4:-A 4000+ will make decent difference over your 3000+ and overclock hard.
Many people have reach 3.0Ghz on those CPUs.

5:-X2?
Well two cores are better than one although alot of games still only use one core.
But in saying this the other core will be taking care of the other things in the background.

Only thing is 939skt CPUs are very expensive still for what they are.

Also you may want to get an Opty as they are generally better overclockers due to higher temperature threshold.

If you get a X2 3800+ you should be able to get decent overclocks of 2.9Ghz
The X2 4xxx+ series wern't as good overclockers like mine for example.
Needs alot of voltage to keep stable.

[[MD]Phantom]

AGP is deader than a door nail, ill admit that myself.

Not quiet, there are many people how still have a AGP based system, and a lot of manufacturers know this.

Making an HD3850 work on AGP costs not only time but money, and they would never do this if they where not sure if it would earn them a buck or two.

@ Innocent Criminal,

I remember a bios screen with two seperate halves, in one of the two halves my WD raptor was listed.

It was SCSI then, i switched it to the other side to the other halve and it became SATA.

Unfortunatly do not remember how i got there is a long time ago.:banghead:

[intel igent]

@ blaznjason : 2gb of DDR500 is MUCH better than 1gb of DDR400, you will notice a difference, also what drivers and which version of rivatuner are you using?

thnx

:toast:

[intel igent]

Hi All,

First time posting here. I have an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, 2 GB DDR1 at 234 MHz (468 MHz DDR), Athlon 64 4000+ 2.4 GHz O/C 2.8 GHz and a new Powercolor HD3850 running at stock speeds 668/829. 3dMark06 scored 6750, over 3 times what my X800GTO scored when overclocked to 450/550.

hi and welcome to TPU!

could you share what drivers/OC tools you're using for your card so i can add it to the first post

thnx

edit : also anyone that has posted info and ive not added it can you kindly remind me so that i can add it to the first post :D

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

thats how my System, is Apparently XP doesnt detect SATA drives as SATA but as SCSI.

It's annoying a fuck! >.< It worked fine then after a reboot or two, I noticed I had a removable disk & that device manager was stating my 300GB Samsung was a SCSI drive.

Phantom]Damn i had the same problem wit XP and sata disk,

Did solve it but trying to remeber how......

Something had to be changed in BIOS. As i remember, In IDE configuration screen, you have to set Enhanced mode support to S-ATA and Configure S-ATA as RAID to NO

So is it in my rig, with windows XP SP3 and a Western digital raptor 10.000rpm S-ATA disk drive.

Thanks for that, I'll have a look in my BIOS but I haven't seen any SATA options in the IDE section. I've got two RAID controllers, one VIA and one Promise. Apparently using the Promise controller I have the option to work in IDE mode. However my drive is still being detected in Windows as SCSI.

Anyroad, on topic - I benched my HD3850 at stock along with my GPU and I got 6795 - which about 1000 marks more than I did with my Shuttle. ^^

At 2.1GHz CPU I've got 7123 and at 2.2GHz I've got 7362. The best I got with my Shuttle was 9125 with my CPU at 2.7GHz with a slight OC on the 3850.

I know I'm expecting too much when I say t