3850 AGP OC'ing/Vmods/experiences/suggestions/where to buy

[intel igent]

hi all!

this thread is dedicated to all 3850agp users interested in tweaking their cards hopefully giving us a more pleasureabe experience :rockout:

thnx TPU!

drivers:
Ati catalyst 8.452 (full driver package from driver CD-intel igent)

Ati hotfix Catalyst 8.3 + CCC suite (15thwarlock)

catalyst 8.1 (Morgoth) catalyst8.3 (does not work with hardware msg-Morgoth) catalyst 8.4(Morgoth)

ATI Catalyst 8.4 http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/driverfiles/421.ZIP(KainXs)

new hot fix http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=56151(malware)

catalyst 8.3 running just the drivers (i.e. no CCC) and disabled both the ATI services as well(Spathi)

catalyst 8.3(MindKrypted)

catalyst 8.4 driver only (blaznjason)

Xtreme 8.4 32bit AGP now, but I 've tried Catalyst since 7.8 http://www.tweakforce.com/ (Harlock)

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=754926&postcount=1 8.4 hotfix for AGP courtesey Malware

http://www.station-drivers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8600#8600 8.6 BETA courtesy Gump

I have tried every cat from 8.1 to 8.4 hotfix with no luck. Here's the lowdown of my problem using BF2 for every run.

8.1 Lots of choppy game play with intermittent long lag periods...got very annoyed and stopped playing. ATI tool won't do anything for my card but it didn't find any artifacts.

8.2 no better performance but random VPU recoveries.

8.3 won't load

8.4 lots of black spots popping up on the ground and still have some choppy game play. on a positive note I didn't get the bad lag ...go ATI. Still no artifacts found in ATI tray tools...ATI tool results in a BSOD Any attempt at an overclock results in a BSOD too. after removing every piece of ATIsoftware I went and installed the 8.4 hotfix drivers again and things are much better. no black spots, long lag periods or incorrect colors on webpages.


BIOS collection/editing :
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13076&d=1206726093 (stock sapphire BIOS Morgoth)
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=54776 (BIOS editing tool BAGZZlash) <thank you BAGZZlash
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=773986&postcount=2 (stock sapphire BIOS 65tweet)
http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15104&d=1212527189 (BIOS mod tool posted by DTV DRAGON)

overclocking tools:
Atitool .26 (some instabillity-Morgth) Ati tray tools V1.4.7.1149(does not save dynamic fan control settings-Morgoth) rivatuner (apparently no dynamic fan control-Morgth)
Rivatuner 2.08 (only app. I've found so far to support low level driver OCing for this card-15thwarlock)
Atitool: 0.27 Beta 3(15thwarlock)
AtiTool0.27 beta (doesnt show/adj proper clocks causing VPUrecover-intel igent)
rivaTuner 2.08 (blaznjason)

volt mods:
software voltage control possible see this thread to confirm resistor posistion on your card http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=53220

pencil mod same as 3870 (r1222) please see this thread to confirm your cardhttp://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=48544

^^THANKS to RandomMurder + W1zzard :toast:

*NOTE* these cards can be run using the 6pin PCI-X power connector from your PSU

cooling solutions:
for either air/water you will need to use ANY of the newer style coolers with "series2" or Nvidia 6800/7800 4 hole mounting

where to buy

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=28711&vpn=100228L&manufacture=SAPPHIRE

http://pcvonline.com/productDetails.aspx?id=6718

http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a302818.html

http://www.google.co.uk/products?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=Sapphire+3850+AGP&cr=countryUK%7CcountryGB&um=1&ie=UTF-8

http://www.azerty.nl/producten/produ...9&GROEP_ID=162

http://www.hpsales.co.uk/extra.asp?pn=CGA-3852DD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102730

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161226

http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Club-3D-ATI-Radeon-HD-3850-512MB-DDR3-DVIHDTV-Out_6117.html

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-095-HT&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=403

http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=017452&cid=999.821

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/139622

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131090&Tpk=ag3850

this post is a WIP and will be updated as best i can and thnx to all the people who have contributed

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[Namslas90]

Should become available this month (january), Powercolor supposedly(rumored) has an agreement with Circuit City and other distributers to sell them.

:toast:

[Morgoth]

hey intel if you got one do some benches mybe i buy it to when its under 160 euro :)

[intel igent]

hey intel if you got one do some benches mybe i buy it to when its under 160 euro :)

dont have 1 YET Morgoth ;) like i said i missed out on the 1950's so ill b trying to hunt 1 of these down if i get 1 ill gladly post benchies :)

anyone got any leeds? its mid january already! hope this wasnt a paper thing :(

[intel igent]

ne sightings yet?

[erocker]

I think I read somewhere very recently that there are problems.

[intel igent]

I think I read somewhere very recently that there are problems.

linky?

i hope not it would be really to nice to get 1 so i could switch to vista and DX10 when the drivers mature.

i just use my comp for basic stuff so a GFX upgrade would be just perfect for me

[Completely Bonkers]

Available in Europe

http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a302818.html

Green shows "in stock" and delivery within 48hrs

[intel igent]

Available in Europe

http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a302818.html

Green shows "in stock" and delivery within 48hrs

i dont undersyand german :o no international shipping? would be nice to find one in N/A

[ShadowFold]

Try looking for thm on monday I think thats when they are released in teh US

[sneekypeet]

I did some googling and hit up the more reputable US online stores....no one seems to have it here yet. Maybe get on live chat with the Egg or shoot NCIX an email and see if they even have plans to buy them yet!

[intel igent]

thnx gents will try ;)

nothing as of yet

keep the hope alive!

[Atom_Anti]

I can`t belive nowhere this card! It is announced for 4 weeks but nothing. Does anybody know what a heck is going on?

[InnocentCriminal]

They're not even available in the UK yet, however I did do search for some shops selling them and some importers said they'd be able to get a Sapphire 3850 in 2 to 3 weeks. I'd hold out, as they may release a 3870 once the 3850 have started selling.

[intel igent]

They're not even available in the UK yet, however I did do search for some shops selling them and some importers said they'd be able to get a Sapphire 3850 in 2 to 3 weeks. I'd hold out, as they may release a 3870 once the 3850 have started selling.

DONT TEASE ME! :p

JUST PLEASE ME! :)

PLZ EEP UR EYES OPEN

thnx

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

XD

Will do...

UPDATE: 'ere you go, (http://www.google.co.uk/products?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=Sapphire+3850+AGP&cr=countryUK%7CcountryGB&um=1&ie=UTF-8) I suggest trying it yourself on the Canadian Google.

[Atom_Anti]

they may release a 3870 once the 3850 have started selling.
Do you mean they may release 3870 AGP too?

[Scrizz]

omfg who wants my x1950GT agp?

[intel igent]

@ inocent : i know google is my friend 2 but hes not playing nice :p

where did you hear that they may produce the 3870?

@ atom : that is what innocent is suggesting :confused:

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

Well, I'm going on my own gut feeling. SOD's law has it, that if I buy a 3850 they'll release an even better 3850 or they'll release a 3870. I haven't read anywhere that they will be, but I can't help but think that's what will happen.

[intel igent]

well i dot think ill be taking any chances

[Morgoth]

i dont undersyand german :o no international shipping? would be nice to find one in N/A

hehe if i want to ican order that card right now but now i want the sapphire version ^^

[Atom_Anti]

hehe if i want to ican order that card right now but now i want the sapphire version ^^

They have sapphire version too:
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a305727.html:D

[Morgoth]

stupid company doest ship to netherlands... i mailed azerty.nl

[intel igent]

hehe if i want to ican order that card right now but now i want the sapphire version ^^

hows about you order it and for the shipping info just give them my address :p

bring it overseas retailers!

[Morgoth]

the only ship to germany and ostery or what ever that name is well i live2 km from german border

[Completely Bonkers]

Well, I'm going on my own gut feeling. SOD's law has it, that if I buy a 3850 they'll release an even better 3850 or they'll release a 3870. I haven't read anywhere that they will be, but I can't help but think that's what will happen.
Please buy that 3850 so WE can buy a 3870. Sods law. LOL. :pimp:

[InnocentCriminal]

To be honest, I most likely will buy one, not that I need too, my X1950 Pro is fine, it's just... it's so bloody tempting. ^^

[jamupnorth]

To be honest, I most likely will buy one, not that I need too, my X1950 Pro is fine, it's just... it's so bloody tempting. ^^

I went from the x1950 pro 256mb to the hd 3850 512mb card and i can tell you it was well worth it even though i was very fond of my x1950.

just do it man !

[InnocentCriminal]

just do it man !

^^

Don't say things like that, I have a very weak will in certain contexts/scenarios. :/ I want one, I know that, but I don't exactly need one.... arrrrh! XD

... I'll hold out as long as I can to see if a 3870 or a faster clocked 3850 is released. That's if I can mind. :D

[Morgoth]

hmmm when i get one i start a AGP 3dmark06 benchmark thread :)

[InnocentCriminal]

Good man!

\m/

[Morgoth]

now for sale in netherlands! http://www.azerty.nl/producten/product_detail/?ID=65169&GROEP_ID=162
gona order it right now!!!! wooot!!!!

[InnocentCriminal]

You bastard!

\m/

[intel igent]

You bastard!

\m/

Took the words right out of my mouth

How come none in NA? Yet are they not coming here or what? If not I better track down some family in EU!

Man I really want this card!

[NONYA]

intel I have x1650 pro 512 AGP FS/FT in the forums.

[intel igent]

intel I have x1650 pro 512 AGP FS/FT in the forums.

thnx but no thnx my 850xt pe is still better than that :)

:toast:

[Morgoth]

i am the first one on TPU with hd3850agp?

[Morgoth]

ordered it now :)

[intel igent]

ordered it now :)

wicked nice Morgoth! :rockout: :pimp:

keep us updated when you get it ;)

[Completely Bonkers]

Apparently, the AGP 3850's in den Nederlanden (Amsterdam) smoke :rockout:

POST some benchmarks as SOON as you get it. PS. Do some now on your old GPU so you can tell us the %age improvements.

[Morgoth]

on x1950pro clocked to its maxium AGP bus to 8x80mhz
core 627, memmory 1550mhz
cpu 3660mhz fsb 977 1.700volt
3 gigs of ram ddr4 running at 390mhz 2,5 3.3.8 no dual channel i get
3950 3dmark06

[Widjaja]

I'll wait for a review before I make my decision and I have alot of time since it won't be available in New Zealand till the rest of the world gets the card but I'll probably be getting a PCI-E motherboard and GPU instead.

Thinking of going back to nVidia thoughas my X1950pro was only perfect in some games and stuttered in others, ironically older games.

[intel igent]

any N/A sightings yet?

me need!

:toast:

[15th Warlock]

According to a thread at G3D, most e-tailers in the US already have the cards, but got a notice from the manufacturers preventing them form selling them, as currently there's no official driver support from AMD.

Some ppl have been able to get their hands on the cards, particularly the Powercolor model; however, the card won't work with 8.1 cats... :( One guy mentioned having successfully installed it using the Powercolor installation disc included with it (which happens to be an un-labeled CD-R according to him).

If he's to be believed, he got a score of over 9000 in 3DMark05 using a P4@4Ghz and Powercolor drivers, but he expects the score to increase when the official drivers are released.

Source (http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=250402&page=2)

We may only have to wait for AMD to release the 8.2 cats in Feb. for the e-tailers to start selling them... it's been a long and frustrating wait for me too, as even between my patients I keep checking from time to time to see if Newegg, ClubIT, ZipZoomFly, or any other e-tailer releases these cards... God, how I hate paper launches!!! :banghead:

[Morgoth]

hmmm still waiting for mine i ordered it

[vampire622003]

Sapphire has a 3850 AGP.

www.sapphiretech.com

[15th Warlock]

Sapphire has a 3850 AGP.

www.sapphiretech.com

Thanks for the heads up, that card was announced about a month ago, but the question remains, were in the US can we actually buy any Radeon 3850 AGP card....

[Atom_Anti]

According to a thread at G3D, most e-tailers in the US already have the cards, but got a notice from the manufacturers preventing them form selling them, as currently there's no official driver support from AMD.

I can`t belive AMD could create HD3850 AGP card, but driver:banghead:.

[intel igent]

im shure the driver is there but theyre prolly tweaking it so that it could MAYBE be vista compatible?

i just wish theyd hurry up and release them in N/A the minute i see 1.......................

[InnocentCriminal]

Hurry it up ATi!

[Morgoth]

its more Hurry up sapphire!

[InnocentCriminal]

Not really, I doubt Sapphire are working that hard on the driver side of things.

[Morgoth]

i still want that piece of silicon board

[InnocentCriminal]

Don't we all!

^^

[intel igent]

i still want that piece of silicon board

if i dont get 1 im buying yours Morgoth when you upgrade ;)

:toast:

[Morgoth]

sure my x1950pro? or my hd3850agp?

[intel igent]

the 3850 of course ;)

im tryin to find 1 or a 1950xt but no luck yet :cry:

:toast:

[Morgoth]

ok thats gona be a longggg wait cus next uprade i am gona make after hd3850 wil be a new setup
new mainboard
new cpu
new gpu
new psu
new ram
yes its a nehalem rig LGA1366 <3 Bloomfield <3

[mdm-adph]

the 3850 of course ;)

im tryin to find 1 or a 1950xt but no luck yet :cry:

:toast:

They used to have them on NewEgg for about $250+ bucks until a couple of months ago -- but good lord, for that price, why bother... :shadedshu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241049

[Morgoth]

256mb no point to buy that...

[InnocentCriminal]

Yeah, I'm with you on that one Morgoth, I don't see the point in a 256MB version. Saying that, yeah it'll be cheaper, but if you plan on playing some sort of DX10 (at some point) then you'll need at least 512MB.

[15th Warlock]

There was no 512MB version of the 1950XT available for AGP, only the 1950Pro came with 512MB of RAM, that's what I never bought it...

Back to topic, has anyone actually seen one of these cards in the US? :confused::banghead:

[ShadowFold]

There was no 512MB version of the 1950XT available for AGP, only the 1950Pro came with 512MB of RAM, that's what I never bought it...

Back to topic, has anyone actually seen one of these cards in the US? :confused::banghead:

I know my friend is looking for one too. Hes got a 939 X2 opty at 2.7ghz with a X1950PRO so I think the card wont be bottlenecked. I know im helping him watch for one so if anyone sees one PM me!

[Pinchy]

Well, here in Aus there are 9 stores I know of that currently stock the HD3850 AGP :p (One is a 20 minute drive away :D).

Another has had it for a week or two now..

Shame my old AGP comp blew up.

[Morgoth]

right now i have the hd3850 in my hands it amazing!!!
joke i still dont have it XD still waiting for my silicon board :(

[InnocentCriminal]

right now i have the hd3850 in my hands it amazing!!!
joke i still dont have it XD still waiting for my silicon board :(

You cont! ;)

You're always doing that to me on MSN you slagbag... XD

I hope that company hasn't ripped you off and skankt your money dude. Fingers crossed it arrives!

[Morgoth]

i hope the did that to so i can seu them ^^

[InnocentCriminal]

They* and Sue*

"I hope they* did, so that I could sue* them.

;)

I know what y'meant.

:P

[Morgoth]

lol okay this is gona be a long wait its a pre-order :)

[InnocentCriminal]

HAHAHA!

... unlucky!

[Morgoth]

yea laugh all you want! i shecked some benches with same sittings as mine with x1950pro realy high clocked core 680 ram around 800mhz the got 4980 i got 4044 on my settings so i could reach 5k with hd3850 :)

[InnocentCriminal]

I was laughing at the fact you've pre-ordered it, not the fact you've got a decent score... bum'ead.

;)

[Gump]

yea laugh all you want! i shecked some benches with same sittings as mine with x1950pro realy high clocked core 680 ram around 800mhz the got 4980 i got 4044 on my settings so i could reach 5k with hd3850 :)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4689252

Just waiting for the Sapphire 512 AGP to show up and the driver issues to get ironed out. Then we can see what a good old P4 can do with this card.
:cool:

[15th Warlock]

Wanna hear the latest news on these cards? Interested in GECUBE's board? I bring you news from the future!!

King of the Hill ! Shipping Now - GECUBE first to delivers Radeon HD3850 512MB GDDR3 AGP series with cost effective, high performance graphics to the mainstream and enthusiast markets. 2008-02-20

Taipei, Feb 20th, 2008 - GECUBE, an exclusive partner of AMD with ATI graphics solution, first to ship the latest AMD graphics best ever performance levels to the systems using the industry standard AGP bus for the upgrade desktop graphics, an exciting new series of Radeon HD3850 utilizing 256-bit 512MB GDDR3 memory, combining the latest graphics architectures with an Unified Shader support for Shader Model 4.0 and the forthcoming DirectX 10.1, high performance and exceptional value for your money.

Yes! You read that right, :slap: Woah, a press release from the future!!! According to GECUBE, their AGP 3850 has been shipping since Feb 20th, 2008! (Nevermind the fact that today is Feb 3rd, 2008) Now all we need to do is set our desktop calendars to Feb 21st, 2008, and we'll undoubtedly be able to buy this cards from Newegg, ClubIT, Tiger Direct, or any of our favorite e-tailers! :banghead: :nutkick:

:toast: Source!! (http://www.gecube.com/press-release-detail.php?id=69914) :toast:

[intel igent]

any sightings?

i dont trust the media :shadedshu

:toast:

[Morgoth]

still waiting for it

[erocker]

I'm starting to wonder if they are scrapping it. It's kinda pointless to have a DX10 card that can't do DX10.

[Morgoth]

na i payed for it

[intel igent]

It's kinda pointless to have a DX10 card that can't do DX10.

it can do it but they dont want to bcuz then there would be more ppl using older hardware as opossed to upgrading.

they want us to upgrade. they dont care that our pcs are sufficient for our needs they want our money.

marketing is a b!tch

i dont want to spend $1000-$1500 just to get updated GFX; cuz thats all i need.

:toast:

[15th Warlock]

i dont trust the media :shadedshu


If that's in reference to the info I posted before, well that press release came directly from GECUBE, not from the media, straight from the horse's mouth as some say...

I guess this can be officially called a paper launch, as I feared most, well, screw this card, I only wanted it to give a last breath of life to my good ol' PC so I could use it as an HTPC, but whatever...:shadedshu I'm really busy playing Mass Effect and Burnout Paradise on my 360 and my 47" 1080p LCD to really care about PC gaming at the moment anyway.

Been wanting to upgrade my PC for ages and finally move to PCIe, but dunno if you guys feel we are like trapped in a transition period, I was about to take the plunge almost two months ago when nVidia released the 8800GT, but within days of its release rumors started spreading about the "new" GTS, and then the 780i, which I had chosen as my first PCIe mobo turned out to be the same ol' 680i, not a bad thing at all, but not too inspiring either, and then, Intel pushed back the release of the new quads because of the competition's lackluster performance, at this rate I will never upgrade at all :(

[Pinchy]

You can't wait for technology, something new is always around the corner :p.

Upgrading to PCIe isnt THAT much; all you need is around $300 for a pretty good computer (yes I know this is a lot for some dudes...if it was me with AGP, I know I couldnt afford to go to PCIe :p). But its not in the 1000's.

And if you sell your older parts, you turn that $300 into $100.

[Widjaja]

Upgrading to PCIe isnt THAT much; all you need is around $300 for a pretty good computer (yes I know this is a lot for some dudes...if it was me with AGP, I know I couldnt afford to go to PCIe :p). But its not in the 1000's.

And if you sell your older parts, you turn that $300 into $100.

Even cheaper for someone with my current system.
All I have to do is get a new motherboard, graphics card and sell off the old motherboard and video card.

Which I will be doing soon.
Buying a ASUS A8N32-SLi Deluxe and either a XFX 8800GT or a BFG 8800GTS 640mb.

Fortunately there is still alot of people here who use AGP.

[Pinchy]

Yeah, I meant getting a whole dual core CPU, DDR2 RAM, PCIe, etc etc. For those who JUST want PCIe, its like $50 (and thats probably what you save in getting a PCIe card as opposed to AGP)

[15th Warlock]

You can't wait for technology, something new is always around the corner :p.

Upgrading to PCIe isnt THAT much; all you need is around $300 for a pretty good computer (yes I know this is a lot for some dudes...if it was me with AGP, I know I couldnt afford to go to PCIe :p). But its not in the 1000's.

And if you sell your older parts, you turn that $300 into $100.

Yes, I know that, and it's been like that for quite some time, but I want to get a platform that can last me for a good time, but I guess you're right, I can't wait for technology, or I'll be waiting forever :p

I don't want to sell this PC, I want to keep it in my room so I can use it to surf the web, or as an HTPC, and get a new rig for gaming :)

[Pinchy]

Yes, I know that, and it's been like that for quite some time, but I want to get a platform that can last me for a good time, but I guess you're right, I can't wait for technology, or I'll be waiting forever :p

I don't want to sell this PC, I want to keep it in my room so I can use it to surf the web, or as an HTPC, and get a new rig for gaming :)

LOL I did the same thing. When I had my P4 w/ 1GB DDR RAM and X800 graphics card, I thought "Im just going to get a new motherboard...then get another P4 thats 775, DDR2 RAM, and an X800 PCIe card" (I would have actually made a profit, as 478's, AGP X800's and DDR RAM was REALLY expensive)).

Anywho, the P4 turned into a core 2, the X800 PCIe turned into an X1950 PRO, the generic 1GB DDR2 RAM turned into G.Skill 2GB DDR2 @ 4-4-4-12 and the motherboard went from a budget board to the ASUS P5B dlx (really good at the time).

It still didnt cost all THAT much (like $400)...but it was a big difference from spending nothing :p.

[InnocentCriminal]

OK, bit of an update and a spotting. As I'm hopefully moving out this time next month I've managed to resist building a new rig. However, I still wouldn't mind a 3850 so I went-a-lookin' and found something rather interesting. (http://www.hpsales.co.uk/extra.asp?pn=CGA-3852DD)

If you look, they're planning on getting more in stock on the 28th of this month. I'll be keeping my eye on this as it looks like a better option than the Sapphire to be honest.

[Widjaja]

OK, bit of an update and a spotting. As I'm hopefully moving out this time next month I've managed to resist building a new rig. However, I still wouldn't mind a 3850 so I went-a-lookin' and found something rather interesting. (http://www.hpsales.co.uk/extra.asp?pn=CGA-3852DD)

If you look, they're planning on getting more in stock on the 28th of this month. I'll be keeping my eye on this as it looks like a better option than the Sapphire to be honest.

If your'e going to get the 3850 are you going to sell the X1950pro?

I'll be selling mine as soon as my new hardware arrives as I think the X1950pro retail prices are going to be a dime a dozen in a few months.

[InnocentCriminal]

If that's the case then yeah I probably would sell it. I doubt I'd get the £100 I bought it for but still, anything over £50 would still be pretty nice.

^^

[kenkickr]

Here it is over at newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102730

[InnocentCriminal]

Hmmm.... I'll have to wait for it's release in the UK to see if there is a major price difference and if the Club3D Zalman like cooler is worth the extra cost.

[intel igent]

anyone know the length of these babies?

specifically the sapphire?

im feeling lazy :p

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

Someone (who has the PCIe 3850) said to me in another thread, that it's the same length as the X1950 Pro. So that's good for me as I'll be able to fit mine into my Shuttle. Woo woo!

[Widjaja]

I coiuldn't imagine the 3850 being any longer.
My 8800GT is shorter in length than the X1950pro.

[15th Warlock]

My Sapphire 3850 AGP is about 9 inches long, I imagine the Powercolor board will be about the same length.

[InnocentCriminal]

Now, I'm going to need some convincing. Is the the 3850 a worthy upgrade to my X1950 Pro. I'm itching to buy it (even though I shouldn't) I just need some evidence to prove to me it'll be worth forking out for.

[intel igent]

w00t! just ordered mine ill be getting it tomorrow or wednesday!

i ordered the sapphire model and as long as its 9" ill be able to shoehorn it, literally, in. if you want to know what i mean have a look at my box in the case gallery

for you canadians they are available at canadacomputers and pcvillage!

now i gotta finalize my order with petras and ill be good to go ;)

:toast:

[Morgoth]

i sended a mail to store i ordered from its taking to long..
damit it this starts pissing me of a pre-order allready 100 ppl have it and i dont !

[MadCow]

w00t! just ordered mine ill be getting it tomorrow or wednesday!

i ordered the sapphire model and as long as its 9" ill be able to shoehorn it, literally, in. if you want to know what i mean have a look at my box in the case gallery

for you canadians they are available at canadacomputers and pcvillage!

now i gotta finalize my order with petras and ill be good to go ;)

:toast:

I saw one at the downtown toronto canadacomputers yesterday. I never would've thought that they would have one.:cool:

[InnocentCriminal]

I can't wait to see what sort of numbers you lot will get compared to the X1950 Pro.

[lemonadesoda]

We want benchies... we want benchies... we want benchies...

PLEASE do a before and after of whatever results you post. Thanks!

[InnocentCriminal]

We want benchies... we want benchies... we want benchies...

PLEASE do a before and after of whatever results you post. Thanks!

Exactly!

:rockout:

[Morgoth]

I Want My Silicon Board!

[intel igent]

I Want My Silicon Board!

ya i hear you on that bro! you've had it ordered for some time already have they replied to your emails yet?

in regards to benchies i havent done any in a long time and seeing as im going from an x850xt pe to this im shure ill notice a difference but if i get around to it ill try and run a couple more for ya after i get my rig back up.

hang on i'll dig up my old one.......

:toast:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=5410

^that was using OCZ VX @ 1:1 2/2/2/5 and i was playing around with the "eshbach" or something optimized timings for the Vram but it was unstable so i put them back @ stock and backed the clocks down a bit and just enjoyed my rig

[15th Warlock]

I Want My Silicon Board!

Sorry to hear that mate! :(

And to think you pre-ordered that card ages before it was even available in the US! :wtf: You should definitely contact whoever sold it to you for a refund and get that card somewhere else :shadedshu

Well, as I posted in another thread, I was able to run only one benchmark with my new card before my old PC died. On 3dMark05 I was able to get around 7800 marks, on a HT P4@3Ghz, 2GBs DDR400 RAM and my 3850 running stock, which was, to say the least, not impressive at all.

So far, I dunno if the lower score was because of 3dMark not recognizing my card (it was just listed as a "Generic VGA card" as I had to use the -nosystemscan command or else, 3dmark would never load), or due to the driver not detecting 3dMark well and therefor not using 3d clocks for it, or my poor old proc was simply too much of a bottleneck for this board.

Crysis and Oblivion did run smoothly at 1280x1024 with everything set to high though, at least for the few hours before my rig died.

With my new build running at stock clocks for the proc and 720/950 for the card (the most I can get from the drivers), I have got: around 33,000 marks on 3dMark03, 17,000 on 05 both at 1024x768, and on 3dMark06 at 1280x1024 I get around 11,000 marks. Now my card properly recognized by 3dMark, after the hotfix released by Futuremark a couple of days ago.

Crysis now runs without a hitch, even after tweaking all .cfg to use ultra high settings, at 1280x1024 (the max res. for my 19" LCD).

So basically I can say this, this card has lots of potential, and I think it might even perform as fast as the PCIe ver. considering the maturity of the drivers, but (there's always a but :p) only if you have the right proc for it, don't think it'll be much of an improvement over a 1950Pro on older systems.

EDIT: And for the before: With a BFG GF6800GS@Ultra and my old rig I got: 13,000 for 3dMark03, 5,700 for 05, and 2,700 for 06, Oblivion ran in the lower 20s at 1280x1024 after a lot of tweaking, and Crysis ran kinda slow at 1024x768 and low settings :p

[InnocentCriminal]

Sorry t'hear about your rig dude!

[15th Warlock]

Sorry t'hear about your rig dude!

Thanks, my old P4 build died, I was trying to OC my proc to 3.Ghz when it turned off and didn't turn on again. :(

It turns out two capacitors close to the socket were leaking on my mobo :p But now I got a new build to replace my old one. :)

Talk about going with a bang :wtf:

[Saakki]

god damn i bought my HIS 2600 XT IceQ Turbo 512 mb and tought that would be the one and only good dx 10 HDMI cabable AGP card and then they released 3850 and so on..:banghead: mwhhaah im about to migrate to PCI-e system..NOW

[InnocentCriminal]

That's unlucky man, however your 2600 IceQ should be good enough for 19". I mean, I can't play Crysis or anything on my set up and I don't expect too. You'll be happy moving to PCIe, it opens so many doors.

^^

[Saakki]

yeah i was suprised of my cards performance with heavy games ( thats ofcourse i dont use full res & high settings,medium looks good enough to my eye)..and gotta love the cooler on IcQ model and preocing..but still PCI-e opens many new gates as u said and u can get pretty good dualcore rig with 8800 GT for about 600-700 e so thats not so bad ..still gonna keep my old AGP beast up & runnin after buying a new machine..:cool: AGP ftw!

[Morgoth]

ya i hear you on that bro! you've had it ordered for some time already have they replied to your emails yet?

in regards to benchies i havent done any in a long time and seeing as im going from an x850xt pe to this im shure ill notice a difference but if i get around to it ill try and run a couple more for ya after i get my rig back up.

hang on i'll dig up my old one.......

:toast:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=5410

^that was using OCZ VX @ 1:1 2/2/2/5 and i was playing around with the "eshbach" or something optimized timings for the Vram but it was unstable so i put them back @ stock and backed the clocks down a bit and just enjoyed my rig

i got a mail today from the store the said that sapphire chips this week new cards there where more working on hd3870x2 then hd3850 agp

[InnocentCriminal]

You should ask for an ETA (estimated time of arrival) for your 3850. Otherwise you want a refund and you'll purchase it elsewhere.

[Saakki]

http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=JBGOM1

PowerColor HD3850 PCS (Retail, TV-Out, 2x DVI)

€ 188,63* Available, Shipping Europe only

[Morgoth]

You should ask for an ETA (estimated time of arrival) for your 3850. Otherwise you want a refund and you'll purchase it elsewhere.

no no its sapphire the didt made mutch hd3850 agp cus the are more working on hd3870x2

[intel igent]

i just got back from picking up my card ill post up pix in a few minutes, anyone else have pix of THEIR sapphire cards as it looks like im missing a heatsink on the backside of the card as the factory TIM tape is on the chip but no HSF????

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

That's a major bag of crap if you are missing one, fingers crossed it's in the box!

[intel igent]

That's a major bag of crap if you are missing one, fingers crossed it's in the box!

nothing but dongles, case badge and driver CD in the box :wtf:

ive been trying to google some pix but cant find anything showing the back of the card, specifically the chip in question :confused:

soon as i get of the phone with my better half :banghead: ill try and post some pix

anyone know if you have to use the 8 pin conector or is there anotherway? i dont like to read instructions :p

:toast:

found some pix of what im talking about on Xs and it would seem that the cards ship minus the HSF :confused:

heres the link to the thread, you can see what im talking about in the pic showing the rear of the card

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2786991&highlight=sapphire+3850+agp#post2786991

[Morgoth]

its normal its the pci-e to agp converter bridge chip

[lemonadesoda]

POWERCOLOR Radeon HD 3850 PCS, 512MB GDDR3, 2x DVI, TV-out, AGP

http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a302818.html

EUR 164 SHIPPING NOW


Club 3D Radeon HD 3850, 512MB GDDR3, 2x DVI, TV-out, AGP (CGA-3852DD)

http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a308772.html

EUR 175 SHIPPING NOW



>>> Somebody, ANYBODY, do some before and after benchmarks. (at stock-stock).

[intel igent]

its normal its the pci-e to agp converter bridge chip

thats what i thought but i dont understand why they would install TIM tape and no HSF?

im going to have to figure something out within regards to that.

any word on your card yet Morgoth?

guess the first thing i did when i took it out of the box?

:toast:

[InnocentCriminal]

guess the first thing i did when i took it out of the box?

Did a nice big line of chang?! :D

[intel igent]

Did a nice big line of chang?! :D

in the words of a very wise man "you never get high on your own supply" ;)

first thing i did was remove the craptastic factory cooler to reveal the beautifull little qimonda chips and the ub3r s3xy ATI core

i have to get off my arse and finalize my petras order so i can get this baby up and running again. all of the modding is pretty much done all ive got left is cutting up massive (think ViperJohn) p3 HSF's for all my various components in my box.

ive just got so many things going on right now its hard to find the time.

ill have pix up of my card either tonight or tomorrow

:toast:

[15th Warlock]

nothing but dongles, case badge and driver CD in the box :wtf:

ive been trying to google some pix but cant find anything showing the back of the card, specifically the chip in question :confused:

soon as i get of the phone with my better half :banghead: ill try and post some pix

anyone know if you have to use the 8 pin conector or is there anotherway? i dont like to read instructions :p

:toast:

found some pix of what im talking about on Xs and it would seem that the cards ship minus the HSF :confused:

heres the link to the thread, you can see what im talking about in the pic showing the rear of the card

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2786991&highlight=sapphire+3850+agp#post2786991

That's the Rialto PCIe to AGP chip, most newer AGP Ati cards has it on them, and yes, all of them have thermal tape on them, but no heatsink, dunno why :wtf:

[Morgoth]

no room for heatsink?
i sould get mine this week if every thing goes right lol

[intel igent]

no room for heatsink?
i sould get mine this week if every thing goes right lol

looks like there is enough room for one but they never put it on :confused:

hopefully it goes good for ya morgoth

a pik of my card and my donor HSF's ;)

:toast:

[Morgoth]

my x1950pro agp got the bridge schip to there is no heatsink on it, it doest get that hot

[intel igent]

my x1950pro agp got the bridge schip to there is no heatsink on it, it doest get that hot

those will be made into RAMsinks and IF i've got enough left over ill put one on the bridge chip as well as the various mosfets on the board ;)

:toast:

[15th Warlock]

Some pics for your enjoyment:

First, the card in all its glory after removing that good for nothing single slot cooler Sapphire uses:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080305/DSC00266.jpg

The RV670 Core after cleaning all the thermal paste goo from it:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080305/DSC00267.jpg

Qimonda RAM modules (8 of them, 1ns I believe?)
http://img.techpowerup.org/080305/DSC00258.jpg

The back of the card (notice the Rialto chip):
http://img.techpowerup.org/080305/DSC00271.jpg

That ugly ass stock cooler :p
http://img.techpowerup.org/080305/DSC00269.jpg

Starting to look better don't you think?
http://img.techpowerup.org/080305/DSC00268.jpg

Impressive!
http://img.techpowerup.org/080305/DSC00276.jpg

Now it's really ready for use, I used AS5 instead of the goo Zalman includes with its cooler btw:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080305/DSC00274.jpg

These pictures were taken the day I got the card :)

[Morgoth]

whats the best cooler of the hd3850agp?

[15th Warlock]

whats the best cooler of the hd3850agp?

My Zalman VF900 Cu lowered the temps from 45°C idle/77+ under load with stock cooler, to 36°C idle/60° under load.

I guess a Zalman VF1000 would lower the temps one or two degrees more, but it's not worth the extra mony IMHO ($39 vs $70+ for a couple less degrees)

You could also try water cooling I guess, dunno how much of a wise investment that would be considering your proc will seriously bottleneck this card though...

[InnocentCriminal]

Noice pictures 15th!

\m/

[lemonadesoda]

@warlock,

Could you please show us a benchmark or two of your setup. I am also on Q6600 G0 and AGP, but with ASROCK Conroe865PE. I'm thinking about the 3850 also.

I'd be grateful for FurMark v1.3.0 and CINEBENCH 10 OpenGL test.

Thank you kindly!

[dark2099]

I don't know if anyone here is a HIS fan, but if you don't mind waiting a bit they have a version (well 2 technically) coming out. http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.php?id=373&view=yes << pre-OCed!

[15th Warlock]

@warlock,

Could you please show us a benchmark or two of your setup. I am also on Q6600 G0 and AGP, but with ASROCK Conroe865PE. I'm thinking about the 3850 also.

I'd be grateful for FurMark v1.3.0 and CINEBENCH 10 OpenGL test.

Thank you kindly!

Sure, NP :)

FurMark v1.3.0: 2942
http://img.techpowerup.org/080306/Furmark253.jpg

Now, I just downloaded Cinebench, and I get this everytime I try to run it:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080306/Cinema 4D.jpg

Is there any special instructions on how to run this benchmark? It's the first time I've tried it, and it crashes every single time, I find this weird, as my system is perfectly stable at everything else I run, do I need a command line or something to run it? :ohwell:

EDIT: had to upload the Furmark screenie again, as I had not clicked on the "Contest Mode" box to validate my result :wtf:

[15th Warlock]

Nevermind, I made a mistake while creating the shortcut on my desktop :p

I ran the benchmark at default settings:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080306/Cinebench.jpg

************************************************** **

Tester :

Processor : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
MHz :
Number of CPUs : 4
Operating System : WINDOWS 32 BIT 5.1.2600

Graphics Card : ATI Radeon HD 3850 AGP
Resolution : <fill this out>
Color Depth : <fill this out>

************************************************** **

Rendering (Single CPU): 2460 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 8710 CB-CPU

Multiprocessor Speedup: 3.54

Shading (OpenGL Standard) : 4896 CB-GFX


************************************************** **

[Morgoth]

emm 3dmark06 plz?

[15th Warlock]

emm 3dmark06 plz?

Of course, took this screenshot a couple of days ago, I don't have the pro version of 3dmark, so all I can offer is a scrennie of my ORB result as that's the only way Futuremark allows you to see your score when using the free ver of 3dMark06, even though it's not necessary for 05 or 03:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080307/3dmark06.jpg

10708, less than 300 hundred shy of 11,000 at stock :) When I get my new proc cooler and find out how to OC this board beyond the driver's limit (720/950), I'm pretty sure I'll be able to push this baby some more :)

[lemonadesoda]

Looking good...

I can get to 300FSB max in BIOS on the Conroe865PE.... which is 2.7Ghz, not a lot of overclock, but something. I think the 865PE wont take much more, Captain!

[InnocentCriminal]

A little update, starting to see some 3850s arrive here in good ol' Blighty. So for all you UK'ers have a little look at these...

Club3D 512MB 3850 (http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Club-3D-ATI-Radeon-HD-3850-512MB-DDR3-DVIHDTV-Out_6117.html)

... and

HIS 512MB 3850 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-095-HT&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=403)

[intel igent]

Morgoth have you received your card yet?

Anyone can confirm water block compatibility?

[nffc10]

A little update, starting to see some 3850s arrive here in good ol' Blighty. So for all you UK'ers have a little look at these...

Club3D 512MB 3850 (http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Club-3D-ATI-Radeon-HD-3850-512MB-DDR3-DVIHDTV-Out_6117.html)

... and

HIS 512MB 3850 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-095-HT&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=403)

£150! :twitch:

Why don't you just get a 9600GT and get a PCI-E motherboard. That's what i'm gonna do, seen as my Gecube X1950XT isn't working.:banghead:

[InnocentCriminal]

£150! :twitch:

Why don't you just get a 9600GT and get a PCI-E motherboard. That's what i'm gonna do, seen as my Gecube X1950XT isn't working.:banghead:

I'm trying to hold out for Nehalem and I don't strictly need a new GPU but my new A05B (http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/1067.jpg) arrived today so it's going to be even harder not wanting to buy a complete new rig.

I'll hold out for the 3850's to drop in price as price cuts are on their merry way.

Now, do I move my friends set up into my new chassis? :confused:

[Widjaja]

£150! :twitch:

Why don't you just get a 9600GT and get a PCI-E motherboard. That's what i'm gonna do, seen as my Gecube X1950XT isn't working.:banghead:

I did this but the XFX 8800GT xXx Zalman edition I bought doesn't cool down the core and have had to RMA it already.:shadedshu

[Morgoth]

Morgoth have you received your card yet?

Anyone can confirm water block compatibility?

nope..

[intel igent]

nope..

that sux dude whats going on with it?

[InnocentCriminal]

Smack 'em out Morgoth.

[Morgoth]

i'm gona mail them again

[InnocentCriminal]

Yeeeeah, smack 'em out! With words obviously!

XD

[Morgoth]

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!
in 1 day new videocard and 20 inch monitor :D tomorow !!!!!!!!!

[InnocentCriminal]

Good stuff!

Hope it arrives!

\m/

[intel igent]

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!
in 1 day new videocard and 20 inch monitor :D tomorow !!!!!!!!!

SWEET! can you run some benchies for us morgoth? your system is similar to mine and id like to get an idea of performance (still waiting on a few things myself)

:toast:

[Morgoth]

with my x1950pro now ?

[InnocentCriminal]

Yeah, we need to be able to compare the performance. As you've OC'd you AGP bus you might get some issues when installing the 3850.

:droolin' & dribblin':

I'm planning on getting a new motherboard so I can make a 939 system with my Shuttle for my old man and sell my old socket A to a friend, probably won't sell it as it won't be anything fancy.

Anyroad, if I get this new mobo, I'll bench both my Shuttle and then the new board just to see how limiting the little box is. I REALLY want to be able to fix the bastard Code 43 error too.

>.<

[Morgoth]

i got agp bus back on stock ( i had it on is maxium :D )

[Morgoth]

i bench my x1950pro tomorow when igot my new card
if some one likes to make a AGP benchmark only thread so i can post my scores
with what benchmark programms ect

[intel igent]

id just like to see what youre getting with the 3850 as we have similar systems (my GFX is older x850)

any 3Dmarks nd game benches if you can :)

:toast:

[Morgoth]

ah ok :) what do you get in 3dmark05 and 06 ?

[intel igent]

ah ok :) what do you get in 3dmark05 and 06 ?

ive never run 06 and my best score in 05 was almost 7k with the 850

havent run any benches with the 3850 yet

[InnocentCriminal]

Has it arrived yet Morgoth?

[Widjaja]

Morgoth's specs say he does.
I want to see some 3850 AGP 3DMark06' links go up here.

[Morgoth]

i do now :P gona take as shower now and run 3dmark06 and afther i'm done i install hd3850 ;)

[repsol23]

I don't have any links due to not having an internet connection at home, but I have a screen shot of my max score from recent. I just got a Powercolor 3850 about a week ago and have run several benches on it. I had upgraded from a BFG 7800gs to this beast and it has shown a marked improvement. This pic is with my cpu oc'ed P4 3.2E @ 4.24 (FSB 265 maxes out at 273 but not stable), but I usually run 3.9 on a daily basis for gaming.

[InnocentCriminal]

Fair play, that's a pretty impressive score.

\m/

[repsol23]

Was able to dig up my pic of my max overclock (on card only, cpu at stock speed). I was running my cpu at different speeds to make sure that the cpu speed didn't affect my FUR score (which it didn't of course).

[intel igent]

@ morgoth : w00t! about farkin time they got that to ya :toast:

@ repsol23 : first thnx for posting your scores, could you run 3D 05/06 with yor CPU @ 3.45ghz and card @ stock? please and thanks :) also what drivers are you using? what program to OC the GFX?

:toast:

[repsol23]

@ morgoth : w00t! about farkin time they got that to ya :toast:

@ repsol23 : first thnx for posting your scores, could you run 3D 05/06 with yor CPU @ 3.45ghz and card @ stock? please and thanks :) also what drivers are you using? what program to OC the GFX?

:toast:

Will do the runs this evening, if not tomorrow morning since I am at work now and my Spring Break begins as of 4:30 today (the countdown begins!!). As for the drivers, I was using the 8.3 drivers and they were functioning correct up until last night when I tried to install the extreme-G drivers on this site. Now I cannot get the CCC software to start, I keep getting an error that MOM won't start or something about CCC host. Even after doing an uninstall and a Driver Cleaner run, I still can't get CCC to function properly. Kinda gave up last night, will try again this evening to see if I can get it to work. As for overclocking, I have used both Rivatuner (latest version) and ATI tool, and they have both worked great for me. Hope this helps!!

[Morgoth]

installing drivers takes ages darn!! i tryd ccc 8,3 bit didt work so i am installing 8.1

[repsol23]

installing drivers takes ages darn!! i tryd ccc 8,3 bit didt work so i am installing 8.1

What frustrates me is that when I first got the card and put it in and installed the drivers, from the cd it worked like a charm. Was up and running with benches in less than 20 minutes, and now that I tried a change, I can't seems to be able to get back to what I had no matter what I do!!:mad:

[Morgoth]

what ati tool version works with hd3850 agp? 0.26 keeps using 50% of my cpu when i start that bitch

[Morgoth]

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2508/naamloos2ys1.jpg
need to overclock the ram and my cpu more

[repsol23]

I was able to find some of my recent benches on a jump drive that I had in my backpack. I found a score for a 3.4Ghz bench (not quite 3.45) with my card stock and oc'ed. Here are those pics. I noticed that I didn't bench at 3.6 but I did run 3.7, those are also posted. As for ATI Tool I am using the lastest beta I found on the net, can't remember exactly which one it is at the moment.

[15th Warlock]

Latest 3dMark06 result:

11,465

http://img.techpowerup.org/080321/untitled.jpg

CPU: C2Q Q6600@2.55Ghz
GPU: AGP HD3850@780Mhz/999Mhz

EDIT: Sorry for that screenie res, had my PC connected to my 47" LCD HDTV@1080p :p, but 3dMark06 Was run at default settings: 1280x1024, a little more OC and I'm sure I will hit 12,000 with this baby :rockout:

[lemonadesoda]

^^ CPU Q6600 @ 2.55Ghz !?

P.S. I have no problem running 300FSB on Q6600 on i865PE. I would think you could get to the same without issue.

[Scrizz]

^^ CPU Q6600 @ 2.55Ghz !?

P.S. I have no problem running 300FSB on Q6600 on i865PE. I would think you could get to the same without issue.

3.55 lol

[intel igent]

what are you guys using to power this? the stupid dual molex to 8pin? is there any other way around it?

that thing is gonna make my sys look cheezy

excellent benches 15thwarlock! what proggy are you using to OC the GFX?

and they said AGP was saturated/dead :shadedshu

:toast:

[lemonadesoda]

3.55 lolEh?

[15th Warlock]

what are you guys using to power this? the stupid dual molex to 8pin? is there any other way around it?

that thing is gonna make my sys look cheezy

excellent benches 15thwarlock! what proggy are you using to OC the GFX?

and they said AGP was saturated/dead :shadedshu

:toast:

I'm using Rivatuner 2.08's low level overclocking function

And yes, my proc is running at 2.6ghz right now, I fixed that typo, for some stupid reason this mobo isn't very good at OCing quad procs, Windows won't boot beyond 2.66ghz, though some ppl have been able to OC their quads beyond that changing the FSB once they've booted, haven't tried that yet; as I barely got my new cooler two days ago :p

[Morgoth]

what are you guys using to power this? the stupid dual molex to 8pin? is there any other way around it?

that thing is gonna make my sys look cheezy

excellent benches 15thwarlock! what proggy are you using to OC the GFX?

and they said AGP was saturated/dead :shadedshu

:toast:

i am using pci-e 6pin power connector :P

[intel igent]

i am using pci-e 6pin power connector :P

so it CAN work without that stupid dual molex > 8 pin adapter?

thats a plus! will mean i can still keep it tidy in there ;)

:toast:

[Morgoth]

or it was 8 not sure :P

[intel igent]

or it was 8 not sure :P

well are you running it straight off your PSU or are you using the adapter that came in the box?

:toast:

[Morgoth]

straight from my psu :)

[intel igent]

http://www.pc-look.com/boutik/Prod_LC-Power_Power-Supply-LC6550GP-V2.0-Green-Power-Black-14-cm-FAN-TR-550W__4294_en.html

^this one?

if so its runing off of the 6pin

stabillity is good Morgoth?

:toast:

[Morgoth]

yep very stable even more stable then before... just wierd i played today crysis on maxium with dx10 i had no artifacting nor bsod :D

[intel igent]

any of the other 3850AGP owners doing the same thing?

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[Widjaja]

Cheezy system?

To an unwitting person they will see the dual molex connection on a GPU and think it's powerful as it needs two and the molex connections are bigger connections than the 6pin.

[intel igent]

Cheezy system?

To an unwitting person they will see the dual molex connection on a GPU and think it's powerful as it needs two and the molex connections are bigger connections than the 6pin.

the card comes with native 8pin connection and they supply a dual molex>8pin connector to power the card.

it looks cheezy IMO

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[repsol23]

any of the other 3850AGP owners doing the same thing?

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Doing what? If you mean using the molex plug with the kit, no, I have been using the PCI-E plug off my PSU. That may be why I can overclock my core to 850 with not a single artifact in ATI tools.

I also noticed that newegg no longer has my card. It actually turns out that when I ordered mine I think it may have been their last since when I refreshed the page it said out of stock. I have been checking the page to look at reviews and the last few days it has said they would get some as of 3/18 but today it said it was deactivated. Guess I got mine just in time!!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131090&Tpk=ag3850

[Widjaja]

Good they suppiled it but sounds like using the dual molex to 8pin connector is going to cut out a couple of power cables from the PSU.

All I can say is I hope you don't have too many other components needing to run off those cables.

[15th Warlock]

any of the other 3850AGP owners doing the same thing?

:toast:

I'm using the molex to 8 pin PCIe connector that came with my card, my PSU have only two 6 pin PCIe connectors, but no 8 pin...

Don't think using a 6 pin connector would be recommended, it has an 8 pin connector for a reason, don't you think? Then again, I could be completely wrong after seeing repsol's post...:ohwell:

[intel igent]

Mogoth is also using the 6pin

does it matter how you have the pin in the plug?

available in Canada

http://pcvonline.com/productDetails.aspx?id=6718

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=28711&vpn=100228L&manufacture=SAPPHIRE

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[InnocentCriminal]

Anyone experiencing any major issues, as in stability, driver conflicts and the a-like. I plan on purchasing the Powercolour in a few weeks, IF I don't win the PCIe motherboard I'm bidding on, on eBay. Otherwise, I'll be buying an PCIe 3850.

^^

[Morgoth]

i think the 8 pined pci-e connector got more grounded?

[InnocentCriminal]

Errr, what?

[Morgoth]

i mean whats the differends in 8 and 6 pin pci-e connector ?

[InnocentCriminal]

I would have thought that'd have been obvious - one has 6 pins, one has 8...

[Morgoth]

no in power lol
i know it got more cabels

[intel igent]

guys im thnking of getting the thread title changed to:

"3850 AGP where to buy/experiences/overclocking/sugestions"

seeing as we're approaching 200 posts this could be usefull to others :confused:

thoughts?

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[Morgoth]

i agree

[InnocentCriminal]

Dooooooooo It!

^^

Will you all hate me if I went for a PCIe one? ;)

[intel igent]

Dooooooooo It!

^^

Will you all hate me if I went for a PCIe one? ;)


no we wont hate you :)

ive sent PM's to Dan and Erocker asking for the change just waiting for a response :)

were you watching "stasky&hutch" or something Inncent?

[InnocentCriminal]

I thought you'd be able to do it yourself, or where you not the OP?

[intel igent]

I thought you'd be able to do it yourself, or where you not the OP?

i edited my forst post to the new title but it still shows the same :confused:

[InnocentCriminal]

Not for meeeeee!

[erocker]

i edited my forst post to the new title but it still shows the same :confused:

Taken care of.:toast:

[Morgoth]

Dooooooooo It!

^^

Will you all hate me if I went for a PCIe one? ;)

i allready hate you..... j/k

[intel igent]

Taken care of.:toast:

w00t! thnx Erocker :rockout:

id like to make the first post very informative so if you guys could help me by refreshing my tired brain as to what are the known good drivers and OC tools for these so that i can add them to my first post and also any stores that are known to retail these babies so that we can help any others that are using/looking these cards

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[InnocentCriminal]

i allready hate you..... j/k

:D

Kudos!

I mean... :shadedshu

[intel igent]

@ morgoth : you are using rivatuner for fan control? and what have you found to be the best proggy to OC again?

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[Morgoth]

i am using ati tray tools works good :)
having some problems with 3dmark06 atm :(
woot 1k post !

[intel igent]

i am using ati tray tools works good :)
having some problems with 3dmark06 atm :(
woot 1k post !


you are using which version?

what kind of problems with 3D05?

[Morgoth]

3d06 i clocked my cpu to 3700mhz and 3dmark06 and crysis crashes after 5min
now up to 3630mhz if i put my ram timmings higher i sould get more stability?

Ati tray tools V1.4.7.1149

[intel igent]

my board is picky with CAS 2/2.5 but with CAS 3 runs much more stable and is easier to clock, id try 3/3/3/8 or 3/4/4/8 you might even have luck with 3/3/2/8

i remember the days when i had my VX and was doing 240mhz-250mhz 2/2/2/5 what a pain in the arse to get it running and stable.

the springdale chipset is picky that way i guess

what version of AtiTool was it that you tried previously that gave you problems?

which version of rivatuner are you using?

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[Morgoth]

i'm not using rivatuner cus doest wont let me change dynamic fan settings
atitool 0.26 freezes up

[intel igent]

people what drivers are being used?

anyone with sapphire card can post a high res pik of the back of the card so that we can try to match it for pencil mod?

please and thnx :)

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[InnocentCriminal]

Pencil mods, now that's a blast from the past!

^^

[15th Warlock]

Anyone experiencing any major issues, as in stability, driver conflicts and the a-like. I plan on purchasing the Powercolour in a few weeks, IF I don't win the PCIe motherboard I'm bidding on, on eBay. Otherwise, I'll be buying an PCIe 3850.

^^

Nice idea changing the thread's title mate! :toast:

As for experiencing issues, I've had no problems whatsoever with this card, in fact based on my benchmarks, I'm pretty sure this card has about the same performance as the PCIe version, the main disadvantage being the lack of Crossfire support.

Otherwise, IMHO this card performs like a champ, overclocks like hell, and cuts through current games as a hot knife through butter :rockout:

[15th Warlock]

people what drivers are being used?

anyone with sapphire card can post a high res pik of the back of the card so that we can try to match it for pencil mod?

please and thnx :)

:toast:

Drivers: Ati hotfix Catalyst 8.3 + CCC suite.
OCing: Rivatuner 2.08 (only app. I've found so far to support low level driver OCing for this card)
Atitool: 0.27 Beta 3

Posted pics in your other thread ;)

[intel igent]

thnx much :) i never thought the thread would get so big :o

hopefully RM can finger something out and well have a pencil mod ;)

can you share what drivers/OC tools you are using or have tried? and any problems?

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[15th Warlock]

thnx much :) i never thought the thread would get so big :o

hopefully RM can finger something out and well have a pencil mod ;)

can you share what drivers/OC tools you are using or have tried? and any problems?

:toast:

Yes, I was just editing my previous post to include that info :p

So far, the only problem I had was trying to install the original cat 8.3 WHQL driver release, it simply didn't recognize my card, but a couple of days later, Ati released a hotfix driver for AGP users, no WHQL, but so far, stability is not an issue on any game.

Tested on Crysis, Oblivion, The Witcher, World in Conflict, Bioshock, Sims 2, Quake Wars ET, Gears of War, UT3, Lost Planet, 3dMark 03, 05, 06, and all non DX10 Ati demos (sorry but no Vista here :p), the card is rock solid, even at high OC settings, no artifacts, no crashes (besides Oblivion CTD on exit, but I've had that crash for as long as I remember :p), and amazing framerates on all games on highest settings, @ 1280x1024, 8xAF, 0xFSAA.

[InnocentCriminal]

That's freakin' awesome news!

\m/

[intel igent]

thnx to RM, pencil mod should be same as 3870 :D

updated first post info :)

c'mon guys dont be shy and help a brother out! spill the beans on what youve got and what youre using

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[Morgoth]

are you 100%? you try it first
also add a record to it what the higest GPU and mem oc is of 3850agp

[InnocentCriminal]

XD

So, what should the pencil mod allow, increase voltages?

[intel igent]

my rig is down ATM and i will be trying it soon as get back up and running :o

RM has stated that voltage control circuitry appears the same and the mod looks VERY do-able, and IS revesible ;)

yes pencil mod allows for higher voltage, which in turn increases clock speeds

it is not a hard mod it can be reversed and is undetectable, just follow RandomMurders guide to a T and youre GOLDEN!

Morgoth what drivers are you using?

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[Morgoth]

ccc 8.1

[intel igent]

ccc 8.1

any reason for that?

:toast:

[Morgoth]

cus it 8.3 says it doest work for my hardware :S
arg i hate the dynamic fan controll in ati tray trools it wont save my settigns :banghead:
i hope end this month i have my watercooling stuff done so i can hook up the gpu fan to my akasa fancontroll :)

[intel igent]

Morgoth have you tried ATiTool beta0.27? and which version of riva tuner did you try?

[KainXS]

cus it 8.3 says it doest work for my hardware :S
arg i hate the dynamic fan controll in ati tray trools it wont save my settigns :banghead:
i hope end this month i have my watercooling stuff done so i can hook up the gpu fan to my akasa fancontroll :)

try these morgoth

Sapphire HD 3850 AGP
ATI Catalyst 8.45
http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/driverfiles/421.ZIP

They released 8.4 for AGP first from the looks of it

[Morgoth]

Morgoth have you tried ATiTool beta0.27? and which version of riva tuner did you try?

yes i tryd 0.27 doest support fan controll
rivatuner i think the last one
downloading that file
after that i clock my agp bus higher and run 3dmark06

[Morgoth]

8.4 works fine but no performance increas
dunno why this is but i get lower scores now 4600-5040 3dmark06
runned it 3 times

and i have my gpu core at 770mhz ram 900mhz

[intel igent]

did you use driver cleaner to remove ALL of the old driver?

any problems with the 8.4's?

:toast:

[Morgoth]

ehh no i didt use driver cleaner
i dont see anny problems with it i only get a lower score in 3dmark06

[Morgoth]

gona reinstall it
just tested mem at 1ghz in ati tray tools rendering its realy gets hot with stock cooling :S 66c but no artifacting :D

[intel igent]

ehh no i didt use driver cleaner
i dont see anny problems with it i only get a lower score in 3dmark06

use driver cleaner first ;) then install the new 8.4's and give'er a go!

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[Morgoth]

just great now ccc wont start

[intel igent]

just great now ccc wont start

what happened?

[InnocentCriminal]

XD

You really need to stop fiddlin' with the AGP bus Morgoth. Do as Intel said and use Driver Cleaner to remove all the old 'debris' from the last set of drivers.

Don't worry about OC'ing the card straight away, you'll obviously hit some issues if you do. I suggest you try it completely at stock (leaving the bus alone) and see how that goes for a while.

[Morgoth]

works now

[Morgoth]

some benchmarks

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3443/benchwl4.png

[intel igent]

still using the 8.4's Morgoth?

did youre 3DM06 score go back up?

updated first post

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[Morgoth]

yes i am still using 8.4
my score is 5125 3dmark06

http://service.futuremark.com/home.action;jsessionid=2D5AE84B8B9735AC7748432BFB2 C318F

[Widjaja]

Damn,
CPU is really holding back the 3Dmark.

TBH I overclocked my CPU 2.6Ghz and increased my 3Dmark from 8965 to 9625 with my 8800GT but it made no difference in gaming.

So at the end of the day no issue.

[InnocentCriminal]

8800GT?

Where's y'3850 y'big bum'end?

Morgoth, what was your 3DMark with your X1950 Pro?

[Morgoth]

4044

[Widjaja]

I tend to jump from nVidia and ATi.

All I can say is nVidia are cheating in some games.
There little textures missing which were there with my X1950pro.
Just unimportant textures which you wouldn't notice if they were there.
Plus the chokes on the 8800GT make a high pitched chiming sound.

A few months time and i think I'll be going back to ATi.
Maybe a 3870.
I won't be buying an X2 until the micro stutter issue is fixed.

Depending on what somes first.
But I think and Xfi-Xtreme Gamer might be the go atm.

[InnocentCriminal]

...errr OK.

^^

Why can't the 3850 drop in price?

:(

£150 is just too much for me right now.

Morgoth, did you run all your tests with the same settings. As in, you X1950 set up was exactly the same when you installed the 3850? You didn't have a higher OC with the 3850 or anything that would alter the scores at all.

Just I really want an apples to apples comparison. I know I won't be able to resist and I highly doubt they'll drop in price anytime soon. :(

[Morgoth]

my cpu is at same clock and i had my x1950pro overclocked

[intel igent]

Morgoth : if you had your RAM running faster you would prolly notice a rather sizeable increase in your 3DM06 score, your low RAM clocks are hindering your throughput

have you tried to OC with just 2 stix? you never gave me the info off of your RAM yet either but i will assume that they are hynix D43 which should clock OK with some volts (2.8) but dont expect anything fantasic with the timings, 3/4/4/8 for shure if youre lucky 2.5/3/3/7.

mine used to do 220mhz 2.5/3/3/7 and 230mhz 3/4/4/8 (OCZvalue RAM with the copper HSF's) both using 2.85v

remember the old p4's loved memory bandwith, not so much timings

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